Green Bay Packers 2020 NFL Draft: The Reasons Behind the Picks

It's all part of a brilliant master plan.....he wrote nervously.

Brian Gutekunst insists that everybody is over thinking it.

The Packers general manager is adamant he was simply taking the top rated player on the board when it came time to make the pick. Yet many of his selections seemed to come from deep left field. Obviously, his draft board looked much different than Mel Kiper Junior's.

I'd like to think the reason many of us Packer fans are scratching our heads at this draft is because , before each pick, we were asking the wrong question. We were, understandably, asking "who is the best player available?" However, the question Gutey was asking himself was far more specific. He was thinking "who is the best player available who can help us complete the transformation to a run-based offense?" At least, that would seem to explain a clear reach for running back A.J. Dillon in round two, passing up several players whom the gurus like Kiper had ranked higher, and who played positions that we thought were in need. Players such as potential inside linebackers Logan Wilson and Zack Baun.

It would also explain the even bigger surprise selection of tight end/H-back Josiah Deguara in round three, a versatile but decidedly unsexy choice. Deguara has a reputation for blocking and physical play. We were shopping for something flashy and well publicized in the way of a receiver or defensive stud. Sorry, Josiah. You may be a great player but most of us never heard of you. Not a lot of Cincinnati Bearcat fans among us.

It would explain piling up three offensive linemen in a row in rounds six and seven. These were dart throws. You toss as many as you can out on to the field and hope one of them turns into Adam Timmerman. (Oh, I hear some of you younger readers saying "Adam who?" Timmerman was a 7th round pick in 1995 who turned into one of the best right guards in the league and helped the Packers to a pair of Super Bowls.)

It might even explain the first round quarterback pick. On tape it looks like Jordan Love has above average running ability in his tool box, and in today's NFL if you're going to be a running team your quarterback probably has to do some of the running.  By the way, I disagree with those who say the selection of Love didn't fill an immediate need. Back-up quarterback was an immediate need. The thought of trying to win an NFL game with Tim Boyle under center gives me stomach cramps.

So there was a method to the madness. Who knew? It was all designed to transform Green Bay into the cold weather team they need to be.  A team that can surge into the lead early and then pound you into submission late.  Plus, it's exciting to think about how good Aaron Rodgers could be off the play action fake and bootleg if the opposing defense really had to fear our running game. 

Some say it's silly for fans to criticize Gutekunst's draft because he and his staff spend their professional lives scouting talent while we sit in our recliners with a beer and a bowl of pretzels and rely on Mel Kiper to tell us who the best players are. Fair enough, but it sure did seem as though the draft boards of most of the other teams resembled Kiper's more than Gutey's. I never got the sense that the other teams strayed too far from Mel's "best available".  Watching the Cowboys and the Ravens and the 49ers and the Vikings (especially the Vikings) snap up all of Kiper's top players while the Packers were operating much further down the list was excruciating for us. Small wonder much of Packer Nation is wailing.

At the end of day two, CHTV's Aaron Nagler asked Gutekunst if the fan blow back from his draft concerned him. Gutey replied that he just does what he thinks is best for the team and fan reaction is not one of his concerns. And, of course, that is absolutely the way it should be. But you had better be right. Jordan Love had better develop into the quarterback of the future. The Packers better run the ball more effectively. The whole plan better work. Gutey's seat gets mighty hot in a hurry if the strategy starts leaking oil.

I didn't like this draft. But at least there seems to be a plan. a clear direction.  I do like the boldness and single-minded way Brian Gutekunst goes about doing his job. I hope he succeeds, but I have doubts. For me, the whole thing is summed up best in a comment someone made on a recent Aaron Nagler Extra Cheese chat. The viewer wrote "I haven't been this upset about a draft since the Packers took Aaron Rodgers in the first round in 2005! "

-----------------------------------

Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

NFL Categories: 
17 points

Comments (164)

Fan-Friendly This filter will hide comments which have ratio of 5 to 1 down-vote to up-vote.
Lare's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:32 am

The premise behind competitive balance in the NFL is all about parity between teams. The rules are designed to give lesser teams a better chance of winning. So if you are way over-reaching for players, trading away draft picks and not filling obvious deficiencies on your team you're basically falling behind in the overall talent pool of players. And basic value is not just what Kiper or McShay thinks, it's pretty much what everybody else in the NFL, draft experts, talent scouts and the media thinks.

I have no problem with the Jordan Love pick, heck with Rodgers getting older it pays to have viable options behind him. The thing I disagree with is doing nothing to improve areas of the team that obviously cost them a chance at a Super Bowl last season. And it looks like 31 other teams did.

JMHO

+ REPLY
14 points
16
2
Guam's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:44 am

Well said Lare! I understand that Gute and MLF have a plan, but that plan was so far apart from what everyone else thought should be the plan (WR, OT, IDL, ILB in no particular order) that it opens up lots of questions. I sincerely hope Gute is right and the Packers thrive, but I just don't like this draft.

Personally I would have preferred to see the Packers trade the 30th pick to Indy for a 2nd and 4th (assuming the reports are accurate they wanted Love and were looking to move up) and proceed with a more conventional draft. Blacklock or Mims would have looked really good in a Packer uniform and Gute would still have had the picks to get Dillion and Deguara plus two more in the fourth round (OL?). I would have been much happier with that kind of draft. Time will tell.

+ REPLY
6 points
11
5
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:26 am

Guam - good post. I agree completely. Thanks, Since’61

+ REPLY
-1 points
2
3
jh9's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:47 am

This draft not only set the clock in motion for the departure of Aaron Rodgers, it also set in motion the clock for both Matt LaFleur and Brian Gutekunst. If the drafting of Jordan Love and the imitation of Kyle Shanahan's offense doesn't work, I predict both MLF and BG will be gone in 5-6 years

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:33 am

Less than that. If Love doesn’t work out they’ll be gone in 3-4 seasons. If Love becomes the starter in 2022 and the Packers have 2 seasons of under .500 play they will be gone. Now that could change if Love is injured and they need Rodgers to stay for another season beyond 2021 or if they win an SB with Rodgers during the next 2 seasons. That would buy MF and Gute at least 3-4 more years.

Look what the 2010 SB win did for MM and TT. They both should have been done by 2015 at the latest. Time will tell. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

+ REPLY
0 points
4
4
Leatherhead's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:10 pm

Weren’t we in the championship game in 2016?

+ REPLY
0 points
2
2
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:43 pm

Yes, if you consider that debacle being in the game. As I recall we were there because Rodgers put the team on his back and we went on an 8-0 run to get there. The problem was that by the time we got to the NFCCG we didn’t have any players left.

That loss in Atlanta was the end of the MM/TT era. They were done but Murphy forgot to tell them for another 18 months or so. The reality was that they were done in 2015. The Packers were 4-6 in 2016 and a shell of the 2014 team. If not for Rodgers picking up the team and carrying the 8-0 run that team would have finished 6-10.

That was proven in 2017 when we went 4-1 with Rodgers and then 3-8 without him. We should have been 2 years into a new program by then and we may have been ready to go all the way to the SB in 2019 instead of being Blown up again in yet another NFCCG loss. “The history of failure in the military, or in any field of human endeavor, can be summed up in two words, too late.” Douglas MacArthur. Murphy stuck too long with MM and TT. TTs last 3-4 drafts left this team with almost nothing and Gute trying to recover after 3 drafts now. As for MM he was never the same coach after the combined 2014 NFCCG and the loss of his brother. If Murphy was paying attention he would have realized this after the 2015 season when it was obvious to many of us on this blog. Stay well. Since ‘61

+ REPLY
1 points
3
2
murf7777's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:20 pm

61’ that’s a lot of ifs. Just need to wait and see what happens just like Favre and Rodgers. Unlikely, but There’s no saying this doesn’t go for 4-5 years and they get along. I think these two will get along better then F & R. We will see if Rodgers means what he says.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:19 pm

Agree Murf. However, I don’t see Love sitting behind Rodgers after the 2021 season unless Love is just not ready yet or he proves to be not very good.

If Rodgers stays for 4 more seasons that means Love doesn’t start until 2024. Even under the best of circumstances that means Love needs 2 more seasons to learn how to play NFL QB in real game action. That would mean 2027 before Love might be ready to lead an SB run. There is no way MF and Gute will last that long without an SB appearance at least. And I don’t see Love accepting a backup role for 4 years if he is in fact any good.

For Gute to justify taking Love in the first round Love needs to play by 2022, maybe 2023 at the latest. If a first round pick does not get on the field for 2-3 seasons then they should not be a first round pick.

Also, Rodgers is not Favre. He is likely to get injured, sooner rather than later and that is the opening that Gute needs to make the switch. I don’t want it to happen but that is the way I think it will go. If Rodgers doesn’t get injured then the Packers will trade him after 2021 for picks before he does get hurt and ruin his trade value. It’s just business. Gute and MLF want their guys. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
murf7777's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:44 pm

61, I agree about Rodgers potentially getting injured and that is one of the strongest reasons for taking Love.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
CoachDino's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:21 pm

Good Stuff - And if Rodgers is Playing well after the 2nd season trade Love and recoup your draft picks, probably better. Than use that draft capital to find another guy (If there) they can be groomed. Basically they are paying a small price to hedge their reliance of AR.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
splitpea1's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:40 pm

An excellent post--nice to see that there's some intelligent life out there. But for some, disagreeing with the various aspects of this draft is sheer heresy. If you scroll down a little further, you'll find we have a social scientist diagnosing us with "cognitive bias." LMAO!

+ REPLY
-1 points
2
3
Razer's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:10 am

Still trying to wrap my head around these selections. Relative to teams like Baltimore, Minnesota and Dallas, we pale. Our draft position did not give us the best opportunity to cash in on a rich draft but I still feel we could have done better. My overall sense is wrapped in the word REACH. I think we unnecessarily gave away our 4th. We reached for Dillon (who I like) and we are a good round high on a 6'2" TE. Beyond that I thought we did fairly well with our late draft picks.

Not really helping our defense and the D-line in particular also stands out. Perhaps there are other plans on this front. Either way, this draft has a lot of puzzle to it. I am anxious to see how these pieces fit together and make this team better.

Go Packers

+ REPLY
8 points
10
2
Cheesey51's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:09 am

Minnesota picked 13 players mostly compliments of the Bills trade. 13 picks. Why they didn't request some deferred to 2021, I don't know.
I agree with you,I was shocked with Guteys first 3 picks. I too wanted the teams needs met. I wanted Kenneth "Fin" Murray at all costs
I have to say:
It wasn't too long ago the GB packers were praised for taking a number of speedy WR's. The fan base(myself included) were excited to see how teams would defend AR and the new group of WR's. How did it work out?
This new class of rookies is the base for an outside zone run oriented/play action offense.This group of players are given the task of bringing " the Black & Blue" back to GB.
Instead of Aaron Rodgers making miracle plays and carrying the team on his back,he can live for another day in this run oriented offense. A committee of RB's & H-back & TE's increases the lifespan of Aaron Rodgers. A pounding run game eats clock, forcing opponents to throw more in catchup.
Pettines defense is designed to stop the pass.
All I'm saying is the cat is out of the bag.The outside run/play action is here. Lets get on board.

+ REPLY
7 points
8
1
RCPackerFan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:08 am

*Minnesota had 15 picks.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
dobber's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:12 am

Their 2020 success relies on some of those players, but it sets them up for a little further down the road.

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
jannes bjornson's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:20 am

If you want better draft position, lose more games. Can't have it both ways. Spielman fleeced Buffalo on the Diggs deal and accumulated picks, then Lynch gave them a 3 and 4 to move up for Aiyuk. No big deal and the Vikes have three greenhorn CBs. The Crows over-valued Queen. Seattle took Brooks. Ravens had extra picks from the Hurst trade. More picks at higher slots generally gets you a couple more names. Not many board trades until #23 for players teams targeted ahead of the Pack.

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
gkarl's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:34 am

Really liked all 3 other those teams drafts. To bad one is in our division and another our conference.

+ REPLY
-2 points
0
2
flackcatcher's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:16 am

In general, I agree Ken. What surprises me is how the Packers made it very clear that their offense was priority one. In general, we all (expect for a few commentors here) thought it was all about the WR. No. It was about the short game the got gutted with the injury to Vitale. MLF whole play action scheme needs a heavy runner-FB/HB and that's what Gute got for MLF. This was a draft of needs, now and in the future. (If there is no football this fall, winter) Every hole this team had on the offensive side was filled. It will be up to MLF and his offensive coaching staff to mold the talent that the Packer GM got for this team. More importantly Gute has fill the dire need in the offensive line with good talent that has the potential to give core/starters for years. Not a WOW draft, but a good solid foundational draft that could serve the team well for years on end.

+ REPLY
6 points
12
6
flackcatcher's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:32 am

One other thing. If not clear by now, Gute and his front office team have a very clear method to solving Player personal positional issues that was on display over draft three days. In general, his team takes a position and floods that area with free agents or draft choices or both. Then he and his team moves on to the next position and begins long term planning. Simple, and as we have seen effective. Gute has a long term plan, and he is executing it. Very impressive...

+ REPLY
4 points
7
3
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:56 am

Try to remove perceived "needs".
Try to remove perceived "reaches".
Try to recognize that drafting at the end of each round will, inevitably, result in missing out on the opportunity to draft players you may covet.

Try to look at the players, themselves.

Some very good players in that group.
Only players I don't really care for are Martin and Vernon.

Dillon and Deguara are my favorites for the upcoming season.
Both will add a new dimension to the offense.

Love is my overall favorite. Flat out stud. Preseason games are going to be exciting to watch.

With a solid and deep offensive line, Adams, Lazard, Funchess, Sternberger, Deguara, Jones, Dillon, Williams are more than enough weapons.

If you're $30m/yr QB can't get it done with that group... maybe your $30m/yr QB isn't worth $30m/yr.

Last thought...
I bet there are a lot of Bears, Vikings, and Lions fans who laughed at the Packers jumping up for Love... but after a moment of thought started to imagine the WORST. "No way. Could those damn Packers end up with ANOTHER great QB? S#!+."

+ REPLY
9 points
18
9
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:57 am

"Preseason games are going to be exciting to watch."

That about says it all....

+ REPLY
4 points
4
0
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:31 am

Nope.
THIS SAYS IT ALL:

I bet there are a lot of Bears, Vikings, and Lions fans who laughed at the Packers jumping up for Love... but after a moment of thought started to imagine the WORST. "No way. Could those damn Packers end up with ANOTHER great QB? S#!+."

+ REPLY
1 points
4
3
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:19 pm

Yes, let’s hope that at some point Love becomes more than a preseason MVP like so many of our previous backup QBs. The comments about Boyle, Kizer, Hundley, Tolkien and others, “he looked great in the preseason, he’s going to an NFL starter or he’s our next great QB”, always make me laugh because the preseason means nothing yet so many alleged knowledgeable fans over value the performances significantly. Why? It’s ridiculous.

If we’re lucky we’ll still have a season in 2020 but without wasting the time of going through a pointless preseason, which is usually just an injury factory and tells us nothing about how our rookies, USFAs, 3rd and 4th stringers will play once the games that count begin.

Yes, the preseason will be exciting to watch but who cares and who actually watches? Thanks, Since ‘61

+ REPLY
0 points
3
3
MWendlandt's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:04 pm

Hey, Tolkien was great when he was game planning the defenses of Helms Deep.

+ REPLY
3 points
3
0
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 04:33 pm

As long as keep our sense of humor we will be fine. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Bohj's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:02 am

- Everyone that complains about the Love pick are most likely in the same boat as the ones who have been complaining about not having a viable backup. They want us to sign a veteran backup for too much money. Well...now we have one and didn’t spend a lot of cap space to do it.
- Love has ten inch hands. Think weather.
- Dillon has the measurables to be Derrick Henry like.
- If you can run.....and teams have to play with a loaded box, AR can throw to Jeff Query and it will still get the job done. Our WR will be fine. Year three of EQ and MVS is key. Plus a tall Funchess. And Bigglesworth from Canada. One of those guys should pan out.
- Scouts = people that spend every minute doing this. Armchair GMs, pundits, media, ex-players, fans, draft graders.........don’t. The latter group merely has opinions. Gute made a board and stuck to it. Good.
- We over reached last year. Temper your expectations. - We are a work in progress. The cupboards were bare.
- We are restocking. It will take a couple of drafts. We went offense heavy this year because we have been defense heavy in years prior. Stop complaining until three years from now. Then complain about what the roster looks like.

+ REPLY
13 points
22
9
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:15 am

People worried about backup QBs are missing the plot or are overly worried about too small of a probability. If Rodgers misses serious time, the season is tanked regardless if it's Hundley or Kizer or Love or Boyle back there. Overpaying a backup QB is almost never correct; but burning your first round draft pick on one isn't either.

Fist round (and really even second round) QBs should be guys ready to take the reins in year 2. Using a first on a guy who might not get that chance until year 5 is just hurting the team in the meantime.

Putting our #2 WR option in the hands of Devin Funchess, MVS and EQSB sounds like a lot of dropped passes and consequently stalled drives. We need a legit #2; they don't need to be flashy but they do need to be good enough.

"Stop complaining until three years from now. Then complain about what the roster looks like."

This is entirely the problem. This team shouldn't be on a 3 year rebuild plan and if they are, they should be seriously looking to move Rodgers now

+ REPLY
2 points
6
4
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:34 am

Interesting comments from Peter King and others reported over at Packerswire about failed efforts to trade up in round 2 for a receiver and, more on point here, indicating that the Packers saw Live as a once in a blue moon talent that they never expected to drop into range and were not going to let slip once he did.

+ REPLY
3 points
4
1
stockholder's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:20 am

Just more lies. 1 of 38 in this draft.

+ REPLY
-2 points
5
7
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:31 am

Aiyuk went off the board at like 25.
Sounds like they tried to move up to the middle of r2.
No takers.
It's possible the Packers didn't think any of the remaining receivers would have ranked 4th or better in their current receiving group... especially with zero preseason.
I'm not going to be all broken up because the Packers didn't draft Isaiah Coulter or Kalija Lipscomb.

+ REPLY
-1 points
2
3
murf7777's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:43 pm

So, how will you feel if Rodgers has another major injury.?

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:19 pm

Saddened, but that's basically the season in the tank anyway

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
tm_inter's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:26 pm

I like MLF's balanced Offense - can't complain with our 13-3 stats last year.
The running game should be better this year with the addition of AJ Dillon, Deguara, and three new OLs.

Really look forward to seeing how much better our Offense will be this year!

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
fthisJack's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:53 pm

yeah...like your 6th round linemen can come in and play on day 1. And the 2nd and 3rd round picks were based on need ...especially a RB and an H back? C'Mon!

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:19 am

The past four days has been a case study in Cognitive Bias.

Downvoting doesn't make it not true.

I for one have had a blast digging into film on these guys (Love, Dillon and Digaura so far) in order to try to figure out what they can do. They are all pretty impressive, especially Love. That guy can make throws that don't look possible. Like Favre, or Rodgers in thier prime, or Mahomes now. If he can put it together he'll be a Bear killer.

+ REPLY
16 points
21
5
RCPackerFan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:12 am

Well said.

Most said that Love needs time to develop like Rodgers did. So hopefully giving him a few years behind Rodgers can allow him time to develop into the next Rodgers/Mahomes caliber of player.

+ REPLY
5 points
7
2
splitpea1's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:22 pm

Cognitive bias? What a load of crap. I respect your effort and enthusiasm diving into the film, but you're drowning in the Kool-Aid at the same time.

+ REPLY
-6 points
4
10
jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:41 pm

"you're drowning in the Kool-Aid"

Actually I hated the day 1-2 picks until I read/thought about them. I wanted Patrick Queen.

+ REPLY
1 points
2
1
splitpea1's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:07 pm

Well, at least we have something in common: I wanted one of the ILBs, too, but when Murray went off the board, I knew without question what the Ravens were going to do (I live in the area and the local pundits had been drumming up this pick for while).

I don't hate the players we drafted at all, but I think the MLF priorities could have waited until we got some WR and DL help. Not only would they have been there for AR, but Love when he finally gets on the field.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Michael Nault's picture

April 27, 2020 at 05:04 pm

The point is, Gute thought his receivers were just fine,an they are going to turn into a run it down your throat team. No more throwing it downfield and have Arod back there dancing around directing traffic, only to throw it out of bounds,or over throw it

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:14 pm

Agree

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
Handsback's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:13 am

I thought it might be a year early for QB, but MLF wants the offense to go through the RB and not the WRs. Dillon was the surprise RB, but if they compare him to Lacy/Henry...that's OK with me. The WRs will be blockers as well so big will help.

+ REPLY
3 points
6
3
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:55 am

I wonder if part of his prep to take a QB was exploring the trade market for 12? If the demand was higher than he'd expect, it could have accelerated that timeline. Highly doubt that was a primary factor, but I'm just very interested to see what that'll look like someday.

+ REPLY
-1 points
1
2
4zone's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:30 am

Kinda like the Badgers except with a Heisman winning QB as well. Like Russel Wilson's final year. Could be interesting.

+ REPLY
-3 points
1
4
SugarCain's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:37 am

Gutey and Lafluer are also looking at the QB Big Board Draft for next yr too...and there ain’t nobody there! Love is the right pick.

The problems started with losing his 4 th round pick and Lafluer wanted Gutey to get Deguara but had to take him in round three because he was afraid he would not be there in round 5.

Lafluer wants the offense to change to less wide receivers on the field and more Tight Ends and H backs on the field. Why draft a wide receiver if you are going Big with Lewis , Sternberger,
Deguara, Dillon now on the field and only Davante out wide?

+ REPLY
9 points
14
5
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:54 am

And if you have Dillon and Jones in the backfield, Jones can become a receiver on any play. And, supposedly, Dillon can catch as well (just wasn't asked to in BC)

+ REPLY
6 points
6
0
RCPackerFan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:24 am

Also can factor Tyler Ervin into the passing game. He came in late in the year but he provides speed that can be used!

+ REPLY
7 points
7
0
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:37 am

In many ways a real HBack type that can do everything including block is the key to unlocking the Shanahan type of offense. That would explain why LaFleur wanted one so badly and why the Packers valued that skill set so highly.

Remember how LaFleur gushed over Vitale and used him in camp? I’m assuming something beyond injury soured that because they let him walk (perhaps his weak blocking) for a low price contract.

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:01 am

"Gutey and Lafluer are also looking at the QB Big Board Draft for next yr too...and there ain’t nobody there!"

Joe Burrow wasn't on this year's board during last year's draft either... The problem with projecting that far out with QBs is so much can change. Never mind that the real value in a good young QB comes from getting them at a discount cost so you can spend your salary cap elsewhere. With the Love pick, that value is mostly gone since by the time it's his team he's going to need to get paid. The timing of the decision just doesn't make sense

+ REPLY
1 points
3
2
4zone's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:06 am

But he won't have much real experience to demand top dollar either. Should get him in the mid range, say for a 3 year prove it extension. Unless of course he takes us to the SB in his first couple of years in charge.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
enemy's picture

April 28, 2020 at 06:43 am

"Gutey and Lafluer are also looking at the QB Big Board Draft for next yr too...and there ain’t nobody there!"

What about Trevor Lawrence from Clemson? Such a talent!
Its obvious that Patriots want him badly and preparing for next years draft.
Big Q is why we hurried with Love selection? We should be chasing Lawrence instead.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Lphill's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:40 am

Let’s put this nightmare behind us, someone tell me how this Packer Defense that will have Oren Burks at inside linebacker is going to stop the run? Serious question I need a serious answer because right now I don’t think Pettine has a clue.

+ REPLY
5 points
9
4
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:07 am

We're obviously going to grind out 12 minute touchdown drives, so the other team won't be able to expose Burks

+ REPLY
-3 points
2
5
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:52 am

I very much doubt Burks will start, and if he does I believe that your contempt will have proven unjustified.

The short answer appears to be by keeping the D off the field longer and allowing them to be fresher to play to the speed and disruptive strengths of the roster.

As to if it’s a nightmare or nirvana, got no idea and neither do you. Until we see what a true LaFleur offense does, let alone these picks, it’s impossible to know.

+ REPLY
9 points
10
1
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:41 pm

My hope is the light goes on for Burks, he will need to show immediate growth now in year 3...I am not confident....now is the time, there is a real chance he does not make the roster. He is leaning into the bust category...Montravius Adams is now there

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
optimisticfan's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:38 am

LPHill,
Extend and then restructure some contracts (Adams and Clark) to open some cap space. Then sign a moderately expensive DL FA to help keep the RBs from getting to the ILB on running downs. Then keep Burks on the bench. Hopefully someone steps up for ILB who can stop the run (? Ty Summers takes a leap) and have Curtis Bolton as backup for Kirksey ILB1 (not tremendous but a there are some possibilities). Don’t forget about Raven Greene as a hybrid option either. Also keep possession longer with long offensive drives as mentioned and keep the D fresh.

+ REPLY
0 points
2
2
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:24 pm

Would like to think you get a step-up from Savage and Alexander again as well. Young guys that have played well, but have room to get even better.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
fthisJack's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:57 pm

You're dreaming.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:42 am

Setting aside the draft aspect and just looking at the players who are now packers, is the idea that Dillon essentially competes for Williams spot, and Deguara replaces Vitale?

Jamaal Williams - 6'0", 201lbs, 4.53/40
AJ Dillon - 6'0", 247lbs, 4.53/40

Danny Vitale - 6'0", 225lbs, 4.60/40
Josiah Deguara - 6'2", 242lbs, 4.72/40

I can get the logic behind wanting to get bigger in the backfield to help complement Aaron Jones and make defenses respect the physical run game. I also am a fan generally of building a team that takes advantage of their cold outdoor stadium. The recent move to more playoff teams may continue, and if it does that's going to give Lambeau more opportunities to host January football.

+ REPLY
3 points
5
2
jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:30 am

"Deguara replaces Vitale"

Deguara looks like he can do A LOT more than Vitale. Vitale could play HB and FB. Deguara can play HB, FB, Inline TE and Slot Receiver. It's referred to as a Move TE (I've learned in the last few days) and they can allow you to emulate a bunch of personnel groupings without substituting. That disallows the defense from subing a bunch of packages and keeps them in base defense. Now, who doesn't want to see ARod and Adams up against a base defense especially on 2nd and short with a 250lb RB and a move TE who can cross motion into the slot, TE or FB position? How do you play LB or Safety against that?

Do look at what Kyle Juszczyk did to Derwin James. He had him totally confused. That a 1st Team All Pro safety. Look at what he did to the Vikings.

+ REPLY
9 points
10
1
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:24 am

Nice, thanks!

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
optimisticfan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:38 pm

Jeremy,
That is a lot of good info. Plus the highest upside would be that Deguara increases his strength some and thus is good enough to be the move TE and in-line in 2021 (basically replaces Lewis and Vitale). TEs take time to develop at least 1-2 yrs so it was smart to go after a versatile one this year so they can finally move on from Lewis next yr before he starts to majorly decline.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
fthisJack's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:00 pm

Big and fucking slow...just what we need.....what happened to the RAS score that everyone said the Packers relied on? Threw that out the fucking window. Hope Gute and Pepe Lepew are next.

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
KennethTGauthier's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:43 am

Amazing

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
gkarl's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:49 am

Well like most fans I'm was disappointed with the draft. As fans we tend to follow pundit/draftnick thinking and obviously Gute and MLF had a different thought process. The position choices were OK I just wish the order of day 1 and 2 picks would have been reversed with day 3. I would have liked the OL and DL to get more help early and pick up the RB and TE and QB picks on day 3.

That said it is what it is and for all we know at this point this draft could be a HR. I'll still a GBP fan and I'll be rooting for all our choice no matter what.

+ REPLY
5 points
7
2
Harold Drake's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:52 am

I believe many people are overlooking the fact that the Packers finished 14 - 3 last season and should have been looking to improve THIS season in particular. Why? Because Aaron Rodgers is aging and probably has three good seasons left in him unless he's a Brady/Brees type and able to perform at a high level into his 40s. That means if you believe that AR is still one of the best QBs in the league and that the Packers have a winning roster NOW, you should equip AR with added weapons NOW rather than pick Jordan Love as a transitional future HOF QB to succeed Rodgers and who will likely not start a game for at least two years barring injury to AR. An elite WR draft pick should have been the priority and it certainly made no sense to trade up for a raw QB - why not trade up to get one of the top four WR first round draft picks - i.e. Justin Jefferson - who would likely have made an impact this season and help the Packers improve and possibly make another Super Bowl run. That is the point. Otherwise Dillon is a good pick in the second round. But this raises another question: why pay AR $134 million to direct a run-based offence? That seems contradictory.

+ REPLY
3 points
9
6
jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:07 am

The Broncos picked a backup QB in round 1 and switched to a running style of offense and they won 2 consecutive Super Bowls with a declining John Elway.

+ REPLY
3 points
5
2
splitpea1's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:22 am

They also had two 1000+ yard receivers both years and a run defense that was near the top in the second year, average in the first.

+ REPLY
4 points
4
0
jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:32 pm

Well, we already have 1 and I think there is another 700+ receiver already on the roster. If you project MVS first 7 games over a season he gets there. If you take Lazards last 8 he projects to almost 600. EBS had an 89 and 94 yard games his rookie season. Funchess had an 840 yard season in 2017 before Cam Newton fell of a cliff.

+ REPLY
1 points
2
1
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:11 am

Having thought the same thing since Thursday, I finally realized that this was all planned out when MLF was hired. The type of offense you're talking about, the type that we're used to seeing Rodgers run, is not the offense that MLF is trying to build. They don't think 2020 is any more important than 2022, and they don't believe they have a short window to go 'all-in'.

Who knows what changed between Gute becoming GM in early 2018, Rodgers getting a 4 year extension in mid 2018 and MLF getting hired in early 2019... But somewhere along the way they decided to start focusing on a fresh start.

At this point I just want Rodgers gone so that the team can start fresh and Rodgers can go compete for a championship. I'd include Bakh in that deal too, they're a perfect pair, and GB doesn't have the cap space to keep an elite pass-blocking LT for a run dominant team.

+ REPLY
-3 points
3
6
fthisJack's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:05 pm

I didn't like his philosophy right from the get go. So it's full speed ahead to make us another Tennessee Titan juggernaut...just fucking dandy!

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Houndog's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:12 am

Harold,
Gutey is a Ted Thompson disciple.
Murphy is a moron.
Nuff said.

+ REPLY
-1 points
4
5
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:10 am

Not a whole lot of TT evident in anything Gute has done in either the draft or free agency.

+ REPLY
7 points
8
1
flackcatcher's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:26 pm

No. Early Ted before the Cap over everything. This is more like early Ron in rebuilding on signing FA through plan B. In reality every GM adapts to the system he works in. Ron retired when the NFL changed the rules on acquiring FA talent. Ted wanted to retire in 2015. (Murphy has A LOT to answer for) Gute is very much like his mentors in how he operates. Very cold-blooded in player personnel when the time comes to move them. Don't forget, in the power struggle the executive committee choose Gute over Murphy. To paraphrase: 'The die has been cast'...

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Harold Drake's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:29 am

Houndog,
I would tend to agree. But there are a lot of people in the
comments section who don't accept the point that we should
have built on last year, tweaked the roster and filled the obvious
needs at WR and ILB via the draft, and give our HOF QB the best
offensive weapons to win. Clearly this is NOT Gute's plan.

And if you listened to Gute's press conf where we was forced
to defend his strategy...let's just say the man is not that impressive.

But maybe Lazard and EQ and even MVS can step up.

Thanks for your acknowledgement.
Harold

+ REPLY
-2 points
1
3
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:15 pm

Anyone that is going to spend their time, post-draft, talking about what should have been done in the draft, is just wasting their time. It happened, it's over, and as fans we don't get to decide whether the GM should be fired over these decisions.

It's possible to not like what happened, and also talk about how the team is going to move forward from here.

+ REPLY
3 points
3
0
4zone's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:21 am

Valid question. Remind me again what Wisconsin's run dominant offence did when Russel Wilson was their QB for a single year?

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
Houndog's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:02 am

OK, so what we're saying here is that all these moves were made to transform the Packers from a throwing to a running team, right?
A predominantly running team will help to protect and prolong Rodgers career, right?
Now I get it, that's why Gutey chose all those future All-Pro offensive lineman at garbage time.
Not a bad thing, everyone got what they wanted and everyone's happy.
Murphy got his "Yes Man" in Gutey. Gutey got his "Yes Man" with MLF, and the two of them got what they wanted in the draft. All this will show up on the field whenever play resumes and the next season takes place, the Packers will be much improved. They'll be able to stop the run with Kenny Clark's new helper, cover tight ends with their new speedy linebacker(s), and run over the top of anyone's defenses, right?
Sounds like we're all set with just one thing left to do: Reserve two more seats, next to Murphy, on that bus out of town.

+ REPLY
-4 points
10
14
Leatherhead's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:38 am

You should relax.....you’ll live longer.

Barring a massive collapse, Murphy, Gutekunst, and LaFleur won't be on that bus anytime soon.

The defense didn’t get any better, but it didn’t get a lot worse, either. The line, which you appear concerned about, has a solid group of starters and backups. The offense should be a little better.

I think we’ve got a real good shot at winning the division. Are you aware of a reason why no t?

+ REPLY
3 points
5
2
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:12 am

Murphy got LaFleur, LaFleur wants his team, Gutey works for Murphy and Murphy brought in LaFleur to build a team in his style (shouldn’t hire a HC on any other basis). Gute’s job is to find the best pieces within the parameters that a LaFleur wants and Murphy hired them both to install.

+ REPLY
5 points
6
1
Leatherhead's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:10 am

When you trade up to get a guy it kind of undercuts the whole “BPA/ the board fell that way. “ argument.

My suspicion is that they wanted a QB, they were aware Love could be available, they spent countless hours studying him and our GM fell in love with Love. Thus, the trade up to get him.

There are implications here, and a question that comes to me is why were the Packers so focused on getting a QB in the first round of this draft?

Dillon is easier to understand. Other backs are faster and shiftier and better receivers, but this was the #1 pile mover in the draft. And they wanted that because we were not a very good short yardage team. Now we will be, which keeps our offense on the field and our defense on the sidelines.

The H-back? Kind of a reach, IMO. But if you can bear to watch the SF playoff loss, you’ll see some very effective use of a back and blocking TE and I think we’re going to see that this year.

+ REPLY
9 points
10
1
Packers2020's picture

April 27, 2020 at 04:54 pm

Leatherhead,

Agree with everything you said.

I personally think they were so focused on getting a QB because they realize in two years we can trade AR or cut him without as much cap implication. They have two years to see if Love can take over and run LeFluer's offense. If he can't then they have the option to stay with AR and draft another QB. Just my opinion.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
mnbadger's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:23 am

Gutey is planning to trade Taylor for a veteran linebacker. He'll pick up veteran D-line help off waiver wire.
One concern is that all of our big bruisers are only an asset for home playoff games. Wild card teams play on the road, probably in a dome.

+ REPLY
0 points
3
3
dobber's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:45 am

Player for player trades don't happen often in the NFL. BG has pulled a couple off at the end of camp (Pipkins for Morrison comes to mind), but rarely with an established player with a non-rookie contract like Taylor. The main benefit of letting Taylor go is recouping cap value that you can reassign more easily to positions of need...I would presume for a base DT at this point. I think he'll be lucky to get any more than a conditional late-rounder in return.

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
TXCHEESE's picture

April 28, 2020 at 12:46 pm

One of the best weapons to have as a visiting team is a great running game, since that takes the defensive advantage, pass rush wise, out of the game. Dome, or sloppy wet field, an able running game is a QB's best friend. I think if AR can stay patient, he will find a running game will open up the middle of the field tremendously.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:29 am

If you want a clear breakdown of what a Move TE (Deguara) can do from a schematic perspective, here is a good writeup:

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-undervalued-roles...

+ REPLY
2 points
4
2
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:04 am

Interesting article. Thanks for the link. I think it highlights why the Hback/move TE type, if you can find a complete one, is so valuable to certain offenses.

The key is the ability to do everything well so making a large range of options from a personnel group and formation credible. Catching and blocking are essential, and it’s perhaps unsurprising that the blocking prowess is the hardest to find (it perhaps explains why Vitale never really clicked and was let go without tears). Our 3rd round pick appears to be prototypical on paper. If so, great value to the team potentially and a piece to important to let slip. Could it be that he is our biggest contributor from the draft this year?

+ REPLY
6 points
6
0
gkarl's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:45 am

Is some of our frustration, anger, befuddlement with this draft because it was SO deep at WR and OT and we didn't take a WR at all and no OL until the 5th.

+ REPLY
2 points
3
1
dobber's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:47 am

...the befuddlement is that they'll now need to go into drafts that will likely be weaker at WR and OT in the next couple years and select from weaker player pools.

+ REPLY
-1 points
1
2
optimisticfan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:41 pm

While next year’s draft might be somewhat not as deep at WR, read some places that it will be still relatively strong/deep at WR (at least early on but who really knows anything a year out right?). But yeah I think GB might have to spend their first 2 picks on 2 of WR, OT, CB. We’ll see how the players we have develop but they needs guys at those positions for the near and long term.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
dobber's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:06 pm

IF there's no or a minimal college football season, the 2021 draft will be piss poor. Depth in drafts in recent years have been fueled mostly by juniors. If the college season is minimal, it will make it hard to evaluate those players IF they even come out. If there's no college season in 2020, which is still possible, I think many of those juniors stay put. It pushes a lot of talent to 2022.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
RCPackerFan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:03 am

Lets be honest. Was this the draft I envisioned a week ago. NO. Far from it. But I do get what their vision is with it and what they are going to try to do.

First with Love. Gutekunst has wanted to find the next Rodgers. Last year there were a lot of rumors that the Packers loved Lock. This year there were rumors that he loved Love.
My biggest question is how do they feel about Rodgers. Rodgers broke his right collar bone. Last year a number of his throws were off. Everyone made the comment. So are they concerned that his future will end sooner then later? IF so, this pick makes even more sense. Give Love 2-3 years to learn and go with him.

The next pick of Dillon was definitely surprising. While I think Dillon will be a good player, RB was not a "need" this year, but looking at the future, Jones, Williams and Ervin are all free agents after this year. So they are getting their guy a year early. BUT that being said Dillon can offer that change of pace style that they don't have. He is a powerful runner in the mold of Henry. I can see them finding a way to get Jones, Dillon and even Ervin on the field together. They could create some great and interesting looks with those players.

Josiah Deguara is an interesting pick. Now a lot of people complained about this pick, but if you look at what their vision is for him it makes sense. He is a guy who they want to use as TE and FB. He brings more flexibility then what Graham did. This is a player that is tailor made for what LaFleur wants to do. He will be a key player in the offense.

I like them drafting the OL. My only slight complaint is that all 3 appear to be Interior OL. Runyan perhaps could be OT. But most projected him to be a OG.

I really like their last pick actually. He is young and he has some skills. Put him behind the Smith Brothers and he could really develop.

At this point none of us know what the future holds for any of these players. But their vision of what they want to do. They want to add more power running to the offense. They want to use their RB's and TE's more in the offense. I am guessing they will use them a lot more in the passing game this year as well.

The key to all of this is that we won't know how good or bad this draft class was for about 3-4 years. And with Love it could be more 5-6 years. So lets give it a chance and sees what happens.

+ REPLY
4 points
6
2
gkarl's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:58 pm

Someone during the weekend mentioned Gute being inpatient. The majority seem to agree that some picks were rounds if not years early. IMO I would agree but you have to give Gute credit for having the balls to do what he did. We'll still have our job no matter the outcome of the draft.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
fordguy's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:25 pm

It's really obvious that you and anyone else that keep making these stupid collarbone references have never broken one. Ask any medical expert and they will tell you it's a bone that could be removed from the human body and you wouldn't know the difference. And yes i've broken mine and it has absolutely zero affect on your shoulder.

In fact, find someone who's broke theirs before and they don't set them after a break. They leave them overlap and fuse into a big bulge of bone.

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
RCPackerFan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:45 pm

Great to know we have an expert about shoulders on here... And also an expert on shoulders of one of the best QB's we have ever seen play the game.

Can you explain to us if it wasn't the shoulder why were so many of his throws off last year? Yes he had his normal throws that only he could make but there were how many that were either at the feet of the receiver and others that were off by yards. Throws he routinely made throughout his career. What changed besides his shoulder injury?
Fans almost each week were asking what was going on with Rodgers. Please explain.

Lets face facts. He is year older. He had a severe injury to his right throwing shoulder and he wasn't the same player last year as he was previously, albeit still good, just not the same. Perhaps the GM wants to have a legitimate future plan in place if Rodgers starts to decline?

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
dobber's picture

April 28, 2020 at 09:33 am

I think he just doesn't want to get hit. Most QBs don't...but he continues to throw from wonky angles and moving backward even when he's not pressured. He doesn't step into throws nearly as often as he used to.

As for the "remove the collarbone" comment: that's ludicrous. Yes, the average person can live without a collarbone. Many white-collar yahoos would be a little inconvenienced by it: it's one of the two main bones that stabilize the shoulder. You or I don't rely on it, and most broken bones for star athletes get pinned in part to make sure they heal properly, but also to accelerate healing and minimize the possibility of a bad mend. If there's no collarbone on the throwing side, that QB's career is over.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
mnbadger's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:37 am

Thank you for the link jermyjbrown. It simply describes the basis of of our 2020 offense. So many options out of the same groupings and alignments. I can see how difficult it is to defend, as every d-player is on an island and offense can exploit any weakness. I feel MUCH better about third round TE pick.

+ REPLY
3 points
3
0
cheesehead1's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:55 am

I still prefer to fix the D. IMO it’s only improved marginally under Pettine. A solid running attack is great but if you’re behind and playing catch up, you’re going to be throwing a lot.

+ REPLY
0 points
2
2
PDX_Packfan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:58 am

I think everyone losing their mind over this draft needs to rethink how they view the current roster. Rodgers no long can play in god mode. He can't connect on bombs like he once did and his legs are slowing down. Every year it become more evident that he needs to focus on making those 10-15 yard plays to keep the chains moving. Picks 2 and 3 accomplish that. 2-3 WRs will be on the field max. Both our current running backs catch very well and the staff think Dillon can too. Ervin can catch. EQ will be back and Funchess will finally have an accurate QB.

RT is really the only spot we majorly downgraded. The off-season is not over so I'd think they will be on the hunt to go after a run plugging NT type.

+ REPLY
3 points
3
0
Packers0808's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:12 am

Runyan played quite a bit of left tackle for Michigan he could be the soliid replacement needed now roster with some hard work!

+ REPLY
3 points
3
0
Packers0808's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:10 am

Does anybody really follow talking heads Kuiper draft board? grain of slat, attention getting way for a guy to make money and to get people talking and gawking!!

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
stockholder's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:11 am

You’d rather back a liar then back #12. You don’t pick a back-up QB in rd 1 unless your set with the rest of your team. You sign a FA QB first. (Whose been there on the front lines.) You don’t Trade up for him in rd 1 either. #12 has been shown the door. If he wasn’t a legend he’d be Gone. This power move had nothing to do with winning beyond the play-offs. Gutey avoided the DL in FA. He avoided the Defensive void left by Morrison, then Goodson, and Fackrell. I believe you understand as much as the experts. The Gary pick last year was another head scratcher. Moving guys out of position, just isn’t the Lombardi way. This draft was “not” designed to win! It’s just that simple. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. Get that through your Heads! You’ve been Scammed. Compromised by offensive madness. A vision in Control of your minds. I’m not trying to be a GM. Just a Fan whose seen better. AS long as Gutey remains GM. This team will never win another super-bowl. If thats Ok with you guys so be it.

+ REPLY
-6 points
7
13
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:15 pm

He avoided the defensive void left by Goodson and Morrisson?

Probably the nicest thing ever said about either of them here.

+ REPLY
3 points
4
1
Packers0808's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:16 am

I am wondering if their draft pick DE will be tried at being a middle linebacker?

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
ShawnO's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:25 am

With the way the draft went I am surprised this guy wasn't one of the priority UDFA for the Packers as I was hoping.
Kennesaw State running back/fullback Bronson Rechsteiner, signed with Baltimore.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
whysoserious's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:30 am

I like the draft. Love wasn't my first choice for quarterback but i am not upset about the pick. I was way more upset about Gary being drafted at 12 last year. Going into that pick I said, anyone but Gary and lo and behold that is who they took. When the "pick has been traded" moniker popped up I said, it's the Packers and they are going to take a quarterback. I was half kidding but that is what happened and I thought it was great. Maybe it is because I am not as big a Rodgers fan as everyone else and I can see LaFleur's vision for that team.

LaFleur wants an offence that starts with the running backs and ends with the receivers. Run first, pass second. That is what they drafted for.

as far as Rodgers goes, he and McCarthy were having issues, Murphy reportedly told Rodgers to not be the problem, Also, Rodgers missed a lot of throws last year and hasn't looked right since the collar bone injury, he doesn't trust young receivers and puts them in the position of listening to him or the coaches and looks like Jay Cutler with his body language half the time (I have heard the same thing from the media so I am not the only one saying it). He is not a great leader. Watch Brady, Mahomes, Dak and others on the sideline when things aren't going great and then look at Rodgers.

All that being said. it is just a game for our entertainment and while winning is great I will enjoy the games either way. I lived through the 70's and 80's and still enjoyed watching the games.

+ REPLY
5 points
7
2
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:36 am

Your opinion on the draft correlates directly with your opinion of Aaron Rodgers.
I think he's done - so I really liked this draft (#12's successor + pieces to move away from having to rely on #12).

If you think Rodgers is still an elite QB (not sure you've been watching the last few years), you probably think this draft stunk.

Seems like A LOT of people think Rodgers is still great.
I think their hearts might be blurring their vision.

+ REPLY
5 points
7
2
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:17 pm

well said

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
Lare's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:52 pm

If Rodgers isn't an elite QB any more, then why sign him to a $134 million contract extension?

+ REPLY
3 points
4
1
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:48 pm

That contract (not the drafting of Love) was the mistake.
I feel like Gute got cornered.
What are you gonna do your first year as GM... not extend the megastar?
Bet he secretly regrets it.

+ REPLY
1 points
2
1
CoachDino's picture

April 28, 2020 at 03:31 am

Signing him was not the issue. 99.9% of the experts agreed. Plus the contract allows the Packers to cut him after 2 years with a 17 mil cap hit but saving 25 Mil in money/cap. The last year of the contract has only 2 Mil dead cap. That was a very shrewd contract by the Packers.
I still hear him mentioned by pundits as Elite, he brings much more than just stats. He gets them in the right formations and play. That along with his Current Physical play are what keep him a top QB in this League. He could thrive in this offense if he stays healthy. This offense is so much better with him running it. They are trying to do what everyone said MM didn't. Create more opportunities for Aaron through scheme. Mr Rodgers is in complete control of his future and is being put in the best position to win for him and the team..

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
PhantomII's picture

April 27, 2020 at 04:54 pm

I think a lot of it is Rodgers attitude. Came out 2016 NFC championship like the game plan sucked and he didn't want to be there. Makes jabs at SF about making them pay for not drafting him #1. Doesn't ever back it up by even remotely engaged in either game last year. botched handoff at center, fumble, interception. Really...Not even close to GOAT. To busy doing B.S commercials wanted contract renewed 2-3 yrs early for big raise...Holds ball to long...Never hits a quick slant. Football is really simple...MOVE THE CHAINS...all the way to the other end and you score. No glory in that though. Brady is okay with it though.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
edp1959's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:43 pm

And your opinion of Rodgers doesn’t mean squat troll.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Pauly's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:49 am

Sorry,, so many holes in your analysis I don't have enough lunch time to list them all.
Nice try to put lipstick on this pig. Maybe the children fans buy it but not me....
Main 2 holes, how often does a run first team turn out to be a major winner in this passing league? Copying last year SF is foolish,, even SF took a top WO in draft.
When Rodgers was picked he was a top 10 pick. Farve at 36 was a really old QB back then as rough as NFL was (several concussions). Today the well protected QBs have a much better and longer playing life span.
Their planning on trading Rodgers in next 2 yrs. IMHO. First round QBs don't sit on bench
A great passing team with strong running is a winning team. Packers got to the Championship with only a poor passing attack and good running.
Imagine where they could have gone with 2 more top receivers and a 2nd ILB.
Look at KC.

+ REPLY
2 points
5
3
Lphill's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:47 am

I just got done watching Waco on Netflix, I’m now seeing some similarities with CheeseheadTV , it seems followers now are under the impression the Packers had a great draft and needs were filled, Someone even thinks Oren Burks is the mesiah , meanwhile every sport venue is blasting the Packers draft, if I’m Rodgers , Adams or Clark then I would want out of the compound .

+ REPLY
-7 points
4
11
optimisticfan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:44 pm

Hey Dobber,
Can you please come over and offer LPHill some Kool-aide? It’ll just help relax you don’t worry...

Seriously though let’s see how the next 1-2 yrs of actual games goes before we start worrying that the whole organization is burning to the ground.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
dobber's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:20 pm

I'll bring cookies!

Just made a batch!

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:37 pm

I just had some of the punch......what happens no....

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
stockholder's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:06 pm

I really think #12 could start a unfair Labor Practice with this. At NO Time has he said he would Retire.

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
dobber's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:22 pm

"I really think #12 could start a unfair Labor Practice with this"

What does that even mean?

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Since'61's picture

April 28, 2020 at 08:56 am

Don’t know but I’ll take a cookie from your fresh batch.
Thanks, Since ‘61

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
cpabandit's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:47 am

Seems to me that the Niners kicked the Packers ass (twice) with a running game. It felt like Garoppolo would be fined if he threw the ball. With a declining, tired and getting older diva, it would not hurt to have an able and reliable backup to keep a season going if Rodgers goes down for any length of time. Not happy with the trade but there is some merit for Gute's strategy with that pick.

+ REPLY
4 points
6
2
Pauly's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:54 am

Problem with your post is you ignore only 1 slow ILB on the team and no WR to throw to other than Adams.
Aging QB? You mean like Brady, Brees, Rivers?

+ REPLY
-1 points
2
3
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:33 pm

Who is the slow ILB and do you really think those three still carry their teams? Brees maybe if less so based on last year. I guess Brady will take his new team to the Super Bowl?

Maybe a top 20 receiver would have put them over the edge, problem is we picked nearer 30. I guess putting blinkers on and aggressively hankering for the status quo with a tweak here or there works for you. To be honest it’s what I expected. Equally honestly I don’t think I believed it would work. Our offense as a whole looks dated and didn’t change a whole lot last year.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Gort's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:22 pm

Lots of us, myself included, are questioning the lack of an impact WR. Maybe MLF and Gute have expectations that ESB and MVS are those impact WRs.
Still not sure about the plan to stop the other teams running game.

+ REPLY
2 points
3
1
PhantomII's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:07 pm

Packers pick @30 and Im sure you were watching the better receivers were just getting gobbled up. I think the pack would have had to use a 2nd or 3rd to move up high enough to get a top 5 receiver. This years drafts #1 ranked WR's are more polished than second round, etc. I think Gute also thought our returning WR's were as good as any of the 2-3rd WR's in the draft and probably so to a degree. Main difference of later round picks is they have more work to do to be starters in the NFL due to poor coaching, smaller schools, offensive schemes or how they were utilized. Our QB also ignores our younger WR's to a degree for trust issues. What is he afraid of throwing a pick?? Throw it away enough times and it's a punt. same as above but it doesn't show on HIS stats.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
PackFlip's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:24 pm

Our undrafted free agents have more potential then our actual picks.

Taylor = Dillon
Samuels > Vernon
Galeai = Garvin
Barnes > Martin
Stewart > nobody lol
Johnson = Stepniak
Jones = Dugera

Honestly. Just take some time and look at their highlights/film. Don't it not justify how bad our actual draft picks were?

+ REPLY
-6 points
2
8
Duneslick's picture

April 27, 2020 at 12:28 pm

You want to build a running team when you have a hall of fame QB ? Then you trade your 4th to move up in the first to to draft a QB ? Then you draft a rb and a H back(5th rd talent) in the 2nd and 3rd. After that you draft 3 OL and lb a safety. there is no pattern here. Upgrade QB in the first and draft for the running game and BTW ignore the Defense.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Cubbygold's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:03 pm

I had similar thoughts through the first two days. But ultimately one of two things is true:

A - Gute/MLF have a plan that they're executing

B - You and I know more than them and they're simply too dumb to execute a draft. There's all these mocks out there you can follow, or simply tune into Mel Kiper, and get a better outcome.

I really doubt the second one is true.

+ REPLY
1 points
2
1
Alberta_Packer's picture

April 27, 2020 at 05:34 pm

There are more layers to this draft that might not be seen by the masses. First, it represents a change of philosophy and a significant shift away from an Aaron Rodgers-centric offence to a run-first, ground and pound system. Rodgers will still get as many touches but his possession time will be diminished - which will now go to the RBs and TEs. Also there will be less of a need for WRs to make big plays. A less-is-more approach for #12 could actually make him more effective (and increase his shelf life) in this system as the need for his heroics is greatly lessened.

Secondly, with the drafting of Love, the Packers have a succession plan in place. First it addresses the need for a legitimate back-up, and then, the potential for another elite quarterback. At least these questions will not have to be answered for the next 2-3 years - while Love develops (or not).

Thirdly, this is not a make-or-break year for the Packers. The window is still open for the next several years and will not be as dependent on A.R. as before. In the meantime, Gutekunst is addressing the parts of the team that requires repair and improvement. For the last 2 years he focused on the defense - this year the offence. Yes there are still areas of weaknesses but it is impossible to build a championship team in a year or two. The reality was that without Rodgers the Packers were just an average team the last several years. To build from an average - to a good - to a great team takes several years. We are now somewhere in the middle of this re-build. That being so, there is a greater probability for success than failure.

+ REPLY
5 points
6
1
frankthefork's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:46 pm

Every NFL team is constantly changing, and fans hate change. This is a Not For Long game and has a follow the leader mentality.
Every year we see at least 10 new players...nothing's going to change this.
I'M ok with this draft. I have no control and can only bitch. When it's 3rd and 3 we now have more options.

The Packer's real problem for years is one player consistently gets 20% of the salary. Be it AR or BF.
And AR is not an RPO quarterback like Mahomes or Jackson. We also did not have a back up for years...so I get the Love thing.
Why they extended AR is the issue I have had for 2 years and counting. The Packers still have way too many players at unsustainable salary cap hits unlike the Chiefs and Ravens. How the glory days lasted this long in GB is a testament to the overall TEAM and staff.
I Hope the Packers can still win the division as we watch em get younger. Overall-Our backups are much stronger after this D+ draft. And if we have a season, it's a long road to the final 53. Time to embrace the change and make some trades. GPG.

+ REPLY
0 points
2
2
albert999's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:46 pm

This is what NFL.COM Adam Schein SAYS

DRAFT HAULS I LOATHE
7) Green Bay Packers
The Packers failed the 2020 NFL Draft. They failed their players -- particularly Aaron Rodgers -- and their amazing fans. What a bizarre, backwards, embarrassing weekend for the franchise.

Trading up from 30 to 26 to draft quarterback Jordan Love was simply inexplicable. That was the biggest WTF moment of the entire draft. I am on record saying I don't believe in Love's NFL prospects. In fact, just last week, I explained why the Utah State should NOT be taken in Round 1. He's a major project, having just led the FBS with 17 interceptions last season. As one NFC executive told me pre-draft: "There's just too much bad tape." And yet, the Packers moved up to take him, despite a serious lack of receiving options at Rodgers' disposal. In fact, Green Bay didn't take a single wide receiver in a draft class that was defined by immense depth at the position. That's insane. In Round 2, Brian Gutekunst drafted a bruising running back with minimal pass-catching chops. In Round 3? An H-back whom NFL Media's Lance Zierlein projected as a sixth-rounder, while comping him to the illustrious Tyler Conklin.

What on earth was this front office thinking? Green Bay was a game away from the Super Bowl last season. Rodgers, who's still playing at a high level at age 36, has four years left on his current deal. This franchise is squarely in its Super Bowl window. And now they're going to attempt to become a run-first offense while grooming the quarterback of the future? It's nonsensical.

+ REPLY
-1 points
3
4
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:50 pm

Sports Illustrated graded Josh Jackson and Oren Burks as B+ picks.
None of this means anything.

+ REPLY
2 points
3
1
albert999's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:43 pm

Gutey graded them that also
That means everything...BUST he should go work for sports illustrated

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
taarons420's picture

April 27, 2020 at 01:55 pm

Yeah.
I suppose if 1) you don't like Love, 2) you actually think the Packers have a close-to-super bowl level team, 3) you think Rodgers is still elite - you wouldn't like this draft.

What if...
Dillon = Steven Jackson
Deguara = Kyle Juszczyk

Add them to Adams and the rest... look out.

+ REPLY
-1 points
1
2
leche's picture

April 28, 2020 at 12:24 am

What if...

Love = Josh Rosen or Paxton Lynch?
Dillon = Ronald Jones or Derrius Guice?
Deguara = Nick Vannett or Jordan Aikins?

Playing the "What if we nail this" card is kind of pointless because the alternative is "What if we completely miss?". But the draft is somewhat a crap shoot. No one knows how this is going to turn out for sure; and if they did, they'd run the league. All we can do is evaluate what our likely outcomes are and proceed accordingly

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Alberta_Packer's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:08 pm

Adam who?

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
The_Justicar's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:50 pm

That was my reaction as well. While I also hated the packers draft, I have never heard of Adam Schein. Looked him up. He is a New York guy, got his degree in 1999 in broadcast journalism. I was able to determine he has less years in reviewing football film and games than I have and I have pretty limited credentials. Dude is a putz.

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
Coldworld's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:41 pm

There are valid reasons for not liking it, but I think pretty much everyone who has taken the time to look at it has, whether for it or not, seen a pattern.

That this writer does not pretty much renders his piece meaningless, nothing more than what he expected verses what they did. Not worth the pixels.

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
Tundraboy's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:02 pm

" A team that can surge into the lead early and then pound you into submission late.  Plus, it's exciting to think about how good Aaron Rodgers could be off the play action fake and bootleg if the opposing defense really had to fear our running game."

The shock has subsided. Lots of great viewpoints here, and I'm feeling much better about this year. Perhaps Dillon will be a Jacobs or better. Perhaps the Packers will be a tougher team ,and they add some DL help in FA. And who knows ,if ESB and some others step up, things will not be as bleak as some fear.

One thing is for sure, this will not be a dull year.

+ REPLY
4 points
6
2
Alberta_Packer's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:13 pm

Agreed - it will not be a dull year = potential entertainment. And I think that part of the team re-build is to get more physical and nastier, i.e., Big Boy Football

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
NoNonsense's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:27 pm

The comp pick deadline is over today so Gute can go out and sign whoever is still available to help fill some of the holes left after the draft.

Yeah it wasnt a sexy draft and not getting a single receiver from a historic class sucks but some teams were seriously greedy taking 2 and 3 WRs and then trading for one as well. That is gonna put a few guys on the street that might not have been there otherwise. Not getting one of the highly rated ILB sucks too but such is life in the NFL.

If by August, Gute hasnt addressed some of the holes that still exist then it might be time to worry but now is not the time to get your panties in a bunch. LPhill and Stockholder might need some xanax or something before their heads explode.

In the words of the immortal Mick Jagger: "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.

+ REPLY
4 points
6
2
stockholder's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:32 pm

LPhill and Stockholder might need some xanax or something before their heads explode.//// So Kind!/// Lp has his opinions, I have mine. #12 should file a Unfair Labor practice. At No Time did he say he was Retiring. This draft doesn't make the Packers better. The packers wanted Hurts. He didn't fall to them. So forget BPA. The packers will be losing Games. I'm sure you won't hear - We are the Champions.

+ REPLY
-2 points
0
2
JohnnyLogan's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:07 pm

I like this draft. Last year, from training camp on, I was endlessly critical of Gute for drafting Gary and ignoring the awful talent at WR. I hated and still hate the Gary pick. I didn't much like MVS, who can't run routes, I thought Allison was a bum, and I was worried about lack of speed and not having a legit slot receiver. Well, Gute did nothing to improve the WR corps this year, so how can I like this draft? First, Love was the right pick. He's more than a lottery pick, he has a rifle arm, showed in 2018 that with minimal talent he can be a top-end QB, and if he can even improve slightly in the first year he's a legit and viable back-up QB for the remainder of Rodger's career, with the enormous ceiling of being a franchise QB. The gamble was worth it. I'd rather have him than Mims, who has bust potential and I don't think is who we're missing to make it to the Super Bowl. Same for Queen. Would love to have him but the ceiling that Love brings far outweighs a light ILB. Second, even before the draft, I thought Dillon was a top 3 back and I felt we needed another back so I loved the pick. If Jones goes down Williams isn't good enough to start. Dillon is not only great insurance he's a threat to make a meaningful contribution and help keep the ball in Rodger's hands. Third, DeGuara is an interesting pick, a TE/H-back who can block and catch. I love two TE sets and with Sternberger's speed and DeGuare's catch and block ability, they will have to be covered giving our WRs more space. As to WRs, I still dislike MVS, he's the epitome of the old Bill Cosby Fat Albert football routine, "You're the bottlecap, go deep, I'll fake it to you." But maybe he'll improve. At least Allison is gone which is addition by subtraction. Funchess and the other tall WRS are all about the same, guys who have trouble getting open, and I still think we need a speedy slot receiver. We may have one in Tyler Ervin or the UDFA Stewart. I think we'll find out and if needed trade for one midseason. In any case, the WR group isn't as awful as everyone believes. Fourth, drafting three consecutive O-lineman isn't bad strategy either for a team in need of OL. We drafted three RB's late one year and one, Jones, ended up a home run. We might have the same luck here. I think the team is improved offensively and not greatly diminished defensively. Watch the tape on Kamal Martin, he's not bad, is tough at the line of scrimmage, and has some cover ability. He and Kirksey could be a great improvement over Martinez. If Gute can find a big ugly to play alongside Clark, or if Keke improves, the DL will be better as well. Last year I went against the grain around here in criticizing Gute for ignoring WR and drafting a project in Gary. This year I'm on his side.

+ REPLY
1 points
3
2
porupack's picture

April 27, 2020 at 02:53 pm

Poor draft. But, Gute was mentored by TT, so now after Gute's 3rd draft, we can now conclude with reasonable indicators that he isn't a top 20 GM drafter. At least TT could find some late round gems.
WTH, according to the past 10 years, Packers have only found an average of 2 keepers per draft anyway, so WTH, may as well just throw darts at a wall and screw the 'big boards. Randomization can get 2 keepers out of average of 9 picks; 25%.

I've dropped my expectations for this team, as the holes stay unaddressed for multiple years and Gute could easily have turned the WR, LB, DL, and OL and probably RB into top units in the league.

Pittman, Higgins or Shenault WR in RD1
Madabuike DT or Baun in RD2
Niang or Peart OT in RD 3
trade up for Akeem Davis Gaither or Dye in RD 4 or stay for Bryce Hall CB, or Gandy-Golden WR, or QB Fromm

That would have addressed some multi-year weaknesses.

A top 8 team should draft for advantages to get to top 4. All others can just draft BPA. Packers have had a poor offseason in acquiring talent relative to most of the rest of NFC.

+ REPLY
-2 points
3
5
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:50 pm

With the way receivers fell in the first, I'm fine with not using that pick on one. Particularly if you buy into the shift in offensive game plan that they want to institute. The waste pick is still Love instead of Patrick Queen though. You can't beat the Niners at their own game if your defense can't actually stop the Niners.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
Rudedawg67's picture

April 27, 2020 at 03:26 pm

I was really upset immediately after the draft. I thought who was making these pics, Sergeant Bilko? Did some 10-year-old Vikings fan hack into the draft and was just pushing buttons on the keyboard for the Packers? I get all the hype about going to a more run style offense. If you’re going to do that then you got to start with the horses up front. Our offensive line was a better pass blocking line then run blocking line. Should’ve drafted a guard or tackle in the first round instead of a quarterback. I like the pics in the sixth and seventh rounds out of Indiana and Oregon if that’s the case. But I will tell you that if your big running back can’t get ahead a steam to begin with off the line and then it’s a wasted pick. You need the right horses up front. I would hate for this team to turn into the NFL’s version of the Wisconsin Badgers where everyone stacks up against the run because they are not afraid of our receiving corps. I like the Russell Wilson version of the Wisconsin Badgers, could run and pass effectively. Part of what makes the run game successful is having a good passing game so we should’ve upgraded the receiver position in the draft or free agency. I am on the fence whether Funchess is an upgrade or not. Time will tell. I do know if our offense can stay on the field longer it automatically makes our defense better but I also know a running team that falls behind has a hard time catching up. I guess it’s six of one and a 1/2 dozen of the other. All in all when you take another look the running back, the offense linemen and the IML out of Minnesota we’re good picks. A 6ft 2in tight end that runs a 4.7 forty who Blake Martinez may even be able to cover and a quarterback in the first row made no sense if you’re going to focus on running the ball.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 05:41 pm

The one pick I was questioning was the Josiah Deguara pick, I have been studying the draft like a nerd and never heard of him and it seemed there were better TEs available. So, I have been watching significant film. I noticed scouts were starting to become higher on him as the draft approached. His blocking is pretty decent, he is a physical dude. Too often I see TEs and H-backs not finish blocks, primarily for fear of holding but this guy was finishing and driving dudes into the ground. I would not say he is an elite blocker but certainly a willing one. He seems to enjoy it, there is real pride and those are the guys that become great blockers. Also, I noticed pretty fluid hips. He was able to open and turn upfield quickly. Cincinnati liked to throw to him quick in the flat. His turn and go was fluid, his athleticism may have been overlooked. He would typically catch at the LOS and run for a first down.
They also lined him up in the slot a bunch motioned him across the formation to hit him on the run out of the backfield on the backside of an 11 personnel formation. Likely trying to get him on a LB. Lefluer likes these motion pre snap movements. He has done this quite a bit. Quick feet for a big guy, he seems to my eye play faster than his timed speed which if I am not mistaken he ran the 40 in the 4.7s. His play speed looks faster to me as does his agility than what he times. Certainly not a "lumbering" runner. He is more sudden than I anticipated. I see how he fits as a versital chess piece at FB/H-B and TE and in the slot.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
stockholder's picture

April 27, 2020 at 06:51 pm

I noticed that on several FAs too. He was the wrong pick.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 08:12 pm

Specifically which UDFA TE's?

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Packerpasty's picture

April 27, 2020 at 05:17 pm

wow, cheerleaders are out in full force today...I find it funny that the Packers are graded as the worst draft 2020....I guess we just wait and see...I won't be planning on any trip to watch them in a Super Bowl anytime soon though....not when a team like the Niners could have hung a hundred on them pretty easily...and they didn't fix any of that...

+ REPLY
1 points
3
2
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 05:36 pm

You cannot grade a draft the Monday after a draft, this is all hot takes and clickbait.

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
Since'61's picture

April 27, 2020 at 05:27 pm

What concerns me is that they did not draft a WR. Why? Because they want to build a run first team. Ok fine. But wouldn’t a legitimate deep threat WR be a huge asset to a running team?

You line up with Adams and legit deep threat and your 2TEs and Aaron Jones. The defense needs to respect Adams but they also need to keep their safeties back for the deep threat. If the safeties play up to stop the run you beat them deep with your burner after looking to Adams first. If they play back to cover the deep threat you pound them with your ground game. To me that is how a successful ground game works.

Without a legit deep threat the defense can still double Adams and play up to stop the run. That is what scares me about surging to a lead and then run out the game with the run game. How do we surge to a lead with our current receiving corps? More importantly how do we stop a strong running team with our defense? SF scored all of their points in less than 25 minutes of running time with a ground game! Their opening drive went nowhere and their final drive ran out the last 2+ minutes. In between they just handed off the ball and ran for TDs.

I like Gute, I support Gute, but I’m not buying his argument. It would be much more credible if they had taken a WR to compliment this transition to the run game. I see this as an FU to Rodgers, especially since our OL is now weaker on the right side.
I’ll give Gute the benefit of the doubt for now because I have to but we’ll see how this plays out. I think they are building for Love to take over by 2022. If they make the playoffs in the meantime, that’s good, they will claim progress and if they don’t they will claim hey we’re transitioning the offense have patience. It’s a classic blame it on the predecessor first, then blame it on the older guy who is stuck in the past play. Time will tell. Thanks, Since ‘61

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
stockholder's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:15 pm

I'm not supporting Gutey. #12 needs to change his approach. Hand off instead of pass. It doesn't matter what Adams does. Gutey doesn't care if we win or lose. I feel sorry for the backs. #12 only has to do what he's told. I believe this football team will have a big attitude adjustment by November.

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
Bure9620's picture

April 27, 2020 at 07:36 pm

Gute's job is directly tied to if we win or lose......

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
BAMABADGER's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:16 pm

Speaking of Adam Timmerman.... Check out the film on Zack Johnson OG from NDSU. Johnson's skill set reminds me of Timmerman. As an UDFA, Zack may be the best O-lineman picked up by the Packers over the weekend. I wish him the best of luck making a impact in training camp. Go Pack Go.

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
wildbill's picture

April 27, 2020 at 09:25 pm

I think a lot of the frustration with the draft is two fold. First with no sports to follow I would say people, such as myself, spent much more time devoted to our draft which raised its level of importance higher than normal. Second I think it’s not so much as who was taken as when. The pundits are not all seeing but when your taking people a round or two above their ranking it seems odd and not a good value. The Love pick just reminds us the there will be a day when there is no Rodgers and those of us who lived through the 70s and 80s cringe at the thought as there has never been a team to have three all/pro QBs in a row and that makes Love’s odds of being the next Favre/Rodgers seem out of reach. But as the stock market gurus will tell you, past performance is no guarantee of future performance so let’s hope we caught lightning in a bottle,

+ REPLY
2 points
2
0
BIRDDOGUNI's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:48 pm

"Who the hell is Mel Kiper?"

;)

Sorry Mel - I absolutely love our draft...

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 11:16 pm

To someone who absolutely loves our draft...

Do you think this draft makes the Packers a better football team in 2020 than they were in 2019? Or stated a more pointed way, does this draft improve the Packers odds of winning a Super Bowl in 2020?

In 2021?

What about 2022?

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
ImaPayne's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:49 pm

Some of these picks make sense based on guts own comnents from the past' we covet people in the draft that can play more then one position. Thus the te who was on no ones board. Second a run team controls the clock, gives the d a rest and allows you to save money by avoiding high priced receivers? It all makes sense to the GP philosophy.
Imo a team that relies on the run, dies by the run when you get behind and need to play catch up. Not to mention when you need to pass your not as good at it as a passing team. There is always rust. Just sayin

+ REPLY
0 points
0
0
leche's picture

April 27, 2020 at 10:52 pm

I will never understand Gute's fascination or obsession with making the Rodgers successor pick this early. Should have waited 2 years to worry about it. I don't care how sold you are on Jordan Love, it just doesn't make sense

Some people argue that "well what if we miss on that guy?" and the response is, "well what if we miss on Love?"

At least if you go all in now and then miss on your next guy all you've lost is the time it takes you to draft the next guy... If you hold back now to plan for the future and you miss, you lose both now and later.

And I know no Packers fan wants to hear it, but we aren't *special*. We don't have a *thing* for finding the next QB. The odds are the next guy is going to miss, because that's how odds work.

+ REPLY
0 points
1
1
Mojo's picture

April 28, 2020 at 12:06 am

It's clear LaFleur hijacked this draft. He got a boner over scheme players and Gute just went along with whatever he wanted, even if he paid a premium price for just guys.

There must have been quite a few meetings in the offseason about converting this from Rodgers team to LaFleurs. Not against the idea so much - I've been pissed by Rodgers holding the ball to long, taking sacks, avoiding check downs and not moving the chains to live another down.

But I think Rodgers holds on to the starter role for at least two years, maybe even the four years of his contract left. Then we'll have nearly completely wasted the advantage of the rookie QB contract without knowing what we've got. The time to draft Rodgers replacement was two years out, unless they're so committed to Lafleur's system they just can Rodgers after this year and take a 30mil cap hit.

+ REPLY
-1 points
0
1
RunToWin's picture

April 28, 2020 at 07:33 am

I’m not upset by this draft, but I am mystified. It has looked to me as though the method is:

1) fall in love with prospect (no pun intended)
2) lock on said prospect
3) pay little attention to what else may be available when it’s your turn
4) trade up, pick too early - whatever it takes to get prospect

I recognize this pattern because it fits my methodology in many fantasy drafts. :).

When “your guy” works out you’re a genius and everyone forgets the blue chippers you passed on. When one looks back a scary percentage of the highly rated can’t miss prospects don’t pan out.

For me, if my team uses this methodology it’s best not to follow along with the draft as it’s bad for the blood pressure. It’s better to check in later, listen to their logic and framing, and take a healthy dose of hopium.

So I’m with Al on this - all we can do now is hope Gute looks like a genius in a couple years.

+ REPLY
1 points
1
0

Log in to comment and more!

Not a member yet? Join free.

If you have already commented on Cheesehead TV in the past, we've created an account for you. Just verify your email, set a password and you're golden.