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Green and Bold: Blake Martinez Is for Real

There was a lot to like in Green Bay's 31-28 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in Week 12, aside from the final result. 

One of those bright spots absolutely has to be inside linebacker Blake Martinez, who is quickly becoming one of the Packers' best defenders.

Martinez was on the field for every snap against Pittsburgh, and he made the most of that opportunity. In fact, Martinez has played every snap on defense for the last four games. 

Finishing with a game-high 15 tackles, a crucial interception of Ben Roethlisberger off an Ahmad Brooks deflection, and a fumble recovery, Martinez almost single-handedly kept the Packers in what turned out to be a surprisingly close game.

Green Bay entered Sunday night's matchup as 14-point underdogs and very nearly emerged with a win, or at least the chance to secure one in overtime, save for a last-second field goal by Chris Boswell.

They can thank Martinez for even keeping it that close. 

Martinez' interception came on the Steelers' first drive of the second half. The Packers were leading 21-14 and the Steelers were on 2nd-and-17 at their own 49.

While converting that first down might have been a long shot anyway, Martinez made sure the Steelers wouldn't have a chance to even up the score on that drive, picking off Roethlisberger and giving the Packers the ball at the Steelers' 45.

Of course, the ensuing Packers drive ended in disaster when Mike McCarthy had Mason Crosby attempt a 57-yard field goal (the longest field goal ever made at Heinz Field is 53 yards—a record which, ironically, Boswell tied with the game-winner).

So, once again, Martinez gave the Packers a chance to put the game away three drives later, with the game all tied up at 21.

This time, Morgan Burnett forced a Le'Veon Bell fumble on 2nd-and-9 at the Green Bay 40-yard line. Martinez recovered the fumble and the Packers got the ball at their own 34.

Unfortunately, the Packers weren't able to extend their lead on that drive. But Martinez and the defense did what they could to help.

Sunday's game showed a national audience what Green Bay fans have been watching Martinez do all season. He currently leads all inside linebackers in stops, with 43, and has missed only two tackles out of 278 run snaps this season, per Pro Football Focus. 

Thanks to Martinez, an inside linebacker unit that was the team's most glaring need in the draft just a couple years ago suddenly appears to be one of the defense's biggest strengths.

And though he's only in his second year, Martinez is already emerging as an emotional and dedicated leader in the vein of Mike Daniels, never giving up on a play. 

You can argue that the Pro Bowl is nothing more than a glorified popularity contest, but insofar as it holds any weight in judging a player's accomplishments in any given season, Martinez deserves to make it for his work so far this season.

It's unclear how the rest of the season will play out for the 5-6 Packers, who would be the No. 9 seed in the NFC (and, therefore, out of the playoffs) if the season ended today.

But if we stop to consider the pieces the team has in place to build on for next season, Martinez is one of the most promising. 

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Nick Perry's picture

Well Martinez WAS a 4th round pick which is where Thompson usually does his best work. It's great to see the Packers may finally have a pretty damn good ILB. Bishop was hurt in the 1st game of the 2012 preseason against San Diego. It only took Ted 4 draft classes to draft Martinez and 3 to draft Ryan.

Blake's been awesome this year. Hopefully he can stay healthy because the Packers just don't have much on defense to retool with if a new DC is finally hired after this season.

Houndog's picture

As usual I have to agree with you Nick, there's not a lot to build from but, I still believe there's more talent on the defense than Capers is capable of bringing out. Maybe it's scheme, or maybe the game of adjustments has passed him by!
And while TT does much of his better work in later rounds he does seem to have a knack for picking receivers in Round 2.
I like what I see from the young DBs, King and Jones, but imagine what might have been if TT had stayed put and added TJ Watt to play along side Martinez.
It's time for change at 1265 Lombardi Ave!

HankScorpio's picture

"Hopefully he can stay healthy because the Packers just don't have much on defense to retool with if a new DC is finally hired after this season."

They do not have the LBs to make a 3-4 go, even with the fact they don't play much base. I think their weak LB group is why they don't. Weak LBs are a killer to a 3-4 orientated team. If they stick with that, I tend to agree that the talent is not there. But a 4-3 is a different story.

Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels are one heck of a pair inside. The can control the center of the LoS pretty darn good. I don't want to get into "best in the league" debates when I really only watch the Packers closely enough to say much of anything. So I'll just say I have zero worries about those two. Flank those two with Nick Perry and Dean Lowery on the outside of a 4-3. Not bad, IMO, Needs some depth, for sure. I'd be happier with more edge rush firepower but I do think Perry would be better with his hand in the dirt. Either way, it is a nice start. Controlling the inside of the LoS is a huge deal and there is little doubt this group could.

Put Matthews @ WSLB with Martinez in the middle. Need a SSLB, maybe Biegel, maybe not. SSLB is more of a cover spot so maybe Joe Thomas can fill the role when he returns. Since 4-3 SSLB is so different than 3-4 OLB, maybe even Fackrell can do it. His problem is not desire. It's that he can't defeat OTs as an edge rusher. Still, I'd like some better options at SSLB and Matthews is nearing the end so they need to prepare. They'd be playing 2 LBs when in nickel so the weakness of this group is mitigated a little.

King mans one CB spot. The Randall of the last 6 games is ok at the other spot, the Randall of the previous 21 games is not. Who knows with him? Probably need a CB, at the very least to play nickel. I wouldn't count on 2 of 3 between Randall, Hawkins or Rollins. Maybe 1 is a fair gamble. Not 2, Maybe re-sign House or another vet. Maybe the draft brings someone. Either way, CBs need help of some kind.

Between Burnett, HHCD, Brice, Evans and Jones, I think they can find 2 Safeties.

I'm pretty good rolling into 2018 with a 4-3 scheme from a new DC that places a premium on doing less but doing it more fundamentally sound (ala Jim Bates). Just need to add a few secondary ingredients in the offseason. If they can find some stars, more the better.

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Nick Perry's picture

Hank I agree 100% on your thoughts of converting to a 4-3 defense. I think they could have done this at just about anytime over the last several years and can only hope it happens.

pooch's picture

Well dont you think after 7-8 years of shoddy linebacker play inside and outside odds are,you should stumble on to one player that can finally play the position.Now fix the glaring need on the outside before Rodgers leaves or retires.This just shows me how inept Thompson is,4 lber positions and in eight 8 years and you final hit on one that can play the position and knock on wood does not get hurt 8 games a year

croatpackfan's picture

"... Martinez almost single-handedly kept the Packers in what turned out to be a surprisingly close game."

Blake Martinez had 1 missed tackle for every 2 tackles he made during Sunday game.

So, it is little bit overreaction in your cited statement.

Tarynfor12's picture

If Meatloaf says...'Two Out of Three Ain't Bad'....then so be it.

dobber's picture

I wish this defense would play like a "bat out of hell"...

Tarynfor12's picture

Maybe I can be 19 again to allow a little 'Paradise by The Dashboard Lights ' ...been a long time, been a long time, since I rocked and rolled like that. : }

Tundraboy's picture

Whatever gets you through the night....

Zachary Jacobson's picture

Do you have a statistic showing that, Croat?

croatpackfan's picture

No, but I read article on PackersNews.com. They claimed that and I tend to believe them as they are mostly correct in their claims...

mnbruton's picture

As I mention in the article, heading into Week 12 Martinez had only two missed tackles in 278 run snaps. I don't have the numbers yet on how many missed tackles, if any, were officially recorded against the Steelers, but it certainly was nowhere near six (which would be one for every two tackles, or 12 total).

Savage57's picture

Ted's tendency to accept sustained woeful performance from various position groups over his tenure is probably his most glaring weakness as a GM.

Fans can look review his history and see the reluctance to address them via every means available, which led to ongoing deficiencies at Safety, RB, TE, ILB to name the ones that come to mind; I'm sure there are others.

As much as I hate to even type the words, Rick Spielman has out-GM'd Ted in building the Vikings roster. And that's going to echo for several seasons going forward as Rodgers plays out the winter of his career.

RCPackerFan's picture

I agree that Ted has struggled filling specific needs. The positions you names are absolutely correct.

Its easy to look at what Rick Spielman has done and say he has done a better job then Ted. But lets look at the biggest difference between the 2. Since becoming the Vikings GM in 2012, the Vikings have had the 4th, 23rd, 9th, 11th, 23rd, and would have had the 14th pick had it not been for the Sam Bradford trade.
During that stretch Thompson has had the 28th, 26th, 21st, 30th, 27th, and would have had the 29th pick if they didn't trade back.

The Vikings lowest draft position was 23rd (2 times). The Packers only had one pick higher then 23rd during that stretch.

That is just the first round. Having higher picks in all the rounds has allowed him to have a better selection of players. He has done a good job, no question. But having a bad team throughout those years has allowed him to draft better players.

Tarynfor12's picture

If draft position is as viable as some make it,then why are there so many players with better success after the coveted first 10 in the 1st or any other rds. Missing is missing no matter when you swing.

RCPackerFan's picture

Are you arguing just to argue?

yes, missing on draft picks, is missing on draft picks no matter where you pick. Vikings missed on some of theirs too.

But the whole point is, drafting higher allows you first chance at better players. Its not just about the first round. Its about all the rounds. We focus on the first round, but its through the entire draft.

Drafting 10-20 or so spots higher, allows you to get a much higher rated player. Yes, some players after the first round turn out to be better then first round picks. Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick. But the fact remains the higher the picks the better chances you have at getting better talent.

These players the Vikings all picked ahead of the Packers that they didn't have a chance of drafting in the first round. I'm highlighting just the first round.

2012 - Matt Kalil (Harrison Smith drafted 1 spot behind the Packers taking Nick Perry, Kalil drafted 24 spots ahead of Perry)
2013 - Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes (Packers took Datone Jones 1 spot after Rhodes, 3 after Floyd)
2014 - Anthony Barr (Packers took Clinton-Dix 12 spots later)
2015 - Trae Waynes (Packers took Damarius Randall 19 spots later)
2016 - Laquan Treadwell (Packers took Kenny Clark 4 spots later)

Not all picks were great by the Vikings. But regardless they had the opportunity to get better players.

Tundraboy's picture

I think higher picks take on greater significance in Rounds 2-5, as the overall talent pool is only so deep. Particularly when you have a lot of needs to fill.

RCPackerFan's picture

I agree. Mostly for round 2-4.

Rounds 2 and 4 to me are a couple of the bigger rounds now, especially with the way the draft is laid out. Teams get to go back and refocus on who to take, and do a little more scouting between days. Teams that have higher picks have a lot more options now, and get extra time to reset their boards, compared to when it was a 2 day draft.

Look at the Packers this year. They had the first pick in the 2nd and 4th rounds. It was reported that they had numerous calls for those picks. They ended up staying and taking King and Biegel with those picks. But the quality of players available at the beginning of each round is greater then the end.

Tundraboy's picture

Thanks. Meant 2-4

Pauly's picture

What's the chances TT takes his 12 picks in 2018 (poss his legacy yr of picks) and bundles them together in trades to end up with 6-7 picks in first 4 rounds to fill some glaring holes?
Supposedly he believes in quantity of picks over quality looking for diamonds. In 17 he drafted 10 and cut 3 of his picks.

pooch's picture

Patriots dont have that problem

rdent's picture

RC, you have a somewhat valid point here but obviously having higher draft picks does not necessarily equate to a better team. The GM's ability to evaluate talent imo has more to do with success than draft position. EG; Cleveland Browns vs. New England Patriots.

stockholder's picture

RC does, but this team was picked to go to the Super-Bowl. The package of picks should have been traded for a first, second round, or better. Maybe will see that this year as comp picks can be traded.

Tarynfor12's picture

Being picked to got to the SB is because of Rodgers and NOT because of any other player drafted since 2011 and as has been, NOT because of any player likely drafted the next two years while Rodgers is still going to Rodgers out there on the field.

RCPackerFan's picture

In all honesty, I have been bringing this up a lot, well because it is true.

But if Rodgers doesn't get hurt, they are likely 8-3 to 10-1. Most of us would be talking about them being in the Super Bowl conversation.

Coldworld's picture

Absolutely. Also, in my view, the best player on the Vikings was an UDFA via their practice squad

RCPackerFan's picture

I agree with you on the need to have a good GM and staff to identify talent. But having higher picks allows teams more chances at better players. A team picking in the top 10 basically get 2 picks to the 1 pick that team picking in the 30's.
That's the whole point of the draft. To allow bad teams a better chance at getting better.

The Browns are a mess.. They have not found a QB and honestly that has been their biggest issue. I don't fault them for passing on the QB's this year, though Deshaun Watson looked like a steal until he got hurt. Last year they passed on Carson Wentz, which looks even worse by the day. 2014 they traded up to draft Manzel when they could have stayed and got Derek Carr.

To be fair, the Patriots don't really rely on the draft to build their team. They do more through free agency.
Look at this year for example. They didn't have a draft pick until the 3rd round. They traded away a lot of their picks in trades.

pooch's picture

Geez guess that goes back to the g.m. to utilize f.a. if you cant draft late in rounds

Tundraboy's picture

Obviously need to evaluate talent well, but generally higher improves your odds. It can be a crap shoot even in top 10, but you still have to play the percentages. Problems occur when you have a lot of needs and have a much smaller margin of error. NE can afford to gamble especially when you don't rely entirely on the draft.

pooch's picture

Ted passed on a lot of good talent

pooch's picture

Ted passed on a lot of good talent TJ Watt being the latest

Coldworld's picture

So has every team in the league.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

RC, I am perfectly willing to argue just to argue, but I agree so whole-heartedly that the most I can do is nitpick. Drafting higher is extremely important. Vikings got picks in the first, second and third tiers of first round players. TT was stuck in the fourth tier exclusively except for 2014, when there were two players left with first round grades at #21. [First tier: #1 to #4/#5 or so; 2nd tier: 5/6 to about 13; third tier 14 to maybe 22-24 - all depends on the year. 5th tier might be #25 to as high as 45 some years. Somewhere in the 80s raw talent w/o red flags starts to peter out.]

The Vikings did have more draft ammunition as well, and were aggressive in trades. In 2012, MN traded their 2nd and #98 to move up to 29th to take Harrison Smith. Home Run. In 2013, Spielman dumped Percy Harvin and swindled Seattle out of #25, and took Xavier Rhodes. Home Run. In 2014, MN traded their 2nd and 4th for #32 and took Bridgewater. Double? (I think Bridgewater did enough to think he might be good enough to win with and don't count unfortunate injuries against the GM.) Like all GMs, MN struck out too: Kalil at #4 and Patterson at #29, maybe Treadwell as well. I hear Trae Waynes is starting to play better, but jury is out there. Of course, Barr at #9 is about a triple. That illustrates one of the nice things about really high draft picks: MN actually had #8 that year and traded back to #9. Why not? Browns took Justin Gilbert at #8 (strike out), while MN still had Barr, Ebron, Taylor Lewan, Aaron Donald, Odell Beckham, Kyle Fuller, Ryan Shazier, and Zach Martin to choose from. Only Ebron would have been really a bad choice.

HankScorpio's picture

"In 2014, MN traded their 2nd and 4th for #32 and took Bridgewater. Double? (I think Bridgewater did enough to think he might be good enough to win with and don't count unfortunate injuries against the GM.)"

Seems a bit generous to me, at least so far. In his two years totaling 28 starts. he threw 28 TD vs 21 ints. He was off to a respectable start but never really showed he could do much beyond being a placeholder at QB, yet. He might develop into a good QB but he might be the next Christian Ponder, too. Ponder got off to an ok start, too. He was never able to take the next step. That's not terribly uncommon for QBs.

pooch's picture

But rhat was Packers greatest need.

pooch's picture

But rhat was Packers greatest need.

pooch's picture

But rhat was Packers greatest need.

pooch's picture

In fact ge gas been passing on os backers other than DE Perry for 10 years,all f.a.

HankScorpio's picture

David Bakhtiari is glad they did pass on Watt, considering it landed them Kevin King and Vince Biegel.

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Bolt/Green-Bay-Packers-OL-Da...

pooch's picture

What do you him to say,Damn we got Biegle instead os Watt...that would go over real good,need to read between the lines

HankScorpio's picture

I don't really want him to say anything. And I guess the context might matter some. But I found what he did say went beyond the norm when answering postgame questions and was more dismissive of Watt that is usual.

Spud Rapids's picture

Yes but he also traded back and got Vince Biegel and Kevin King... The jury is still out on both of those players and cumulatively may make more contributions to the Packers than a singular Watt would have. Let it play out before you judge the picks

nostradanus's picture

I love the way Martinez plays, we need more like him on this Defense.

RCPackerFan's picture

I thought last year Martinez might be pretty good. He has some good quickness, range and instincts for an ILB. This year though he has taken his game to a whole new level.

He has turned into a tackling machine. And its not just tackles 5-10 yards down field. He also is becoming a play maker.
Comparing his 2nd year to his first year he has really improved. Through 11 games this year he has 99 tackles, 73 solo, 1 sack, 1 interception, 1 Forced Fumbler, and 2 Fumble recovery's.
Through 13 games he played in last year he had 69 tackles, 47 solo, 1 sack, 1 int, no FF or FR.

In 2 less games he has 30 more tackles, 26 more solo tackles, 3 more Fumbles forced and recovered.
According to Team Rankings.com he leads the Packers in tackles for loss as well.

Last years draft got 2 great players in it. Clark and Martinez. Both of whom have had pro bowl level seasons this year.
Now If Spriggs and Fackrell would step up their games, the draft would look a lot better. Spriggs probably played his best game as a Packer vs the Steelers and Fackrell has stepped up a bit the last 2 game.

nostradanus's picture

There is plenty of talent on this Defense, I think Capers message has gotten old, he has not been held accountable for their poor performance, missed tackles, and missed assignments. The could use a few more talented pieces sure but take Seattle as an example; they lost Avril, Sherman and Chancelor to injuries and they are still playing aggressive, excellent Defense!
The Packers have some talent, a few warts yes but there is talent.
Martinez
Clark
Daniels
Perry
Mathews
Brooks
Dix
Burnett
Randall
King
Jones
Beigel

The cupboard is certainly not bare, they need an inspiring leader (Coach) to hold them accountable and get them top play at the peak of their ability. The prime example is the Curious Case of Clinton Dix, what the hell happened to this guy? He needs to be called out for his timid and shoddy play! I love the guy but come on man, call this dude out already!
FIRE CAPERS!

RCPackerFan's picture

Just as a comparison. The Steelers had Dick Lebeau long term. They had a great defense for many years under him, but his final 3 years with the Steelers the Defense ranked 6th, 14th and 18th in points allowed. In the 3 years since he has left the Steelers have ranked 11th, 10th, and currently 4th this year in points allowed.
While some of that is due to getting different defensive players, some or a lot of it has to be just the change in voice.

I believe GB has enough players to be better then what they are. I do think that a change of voice might get more out of the players they have.

An example of that is looking at the years Hayward, Hyde and Peppers all have had after leaving GB. They all are playing different roles and excelling. To me that says that Capers has them playing roles that didn't fit them. So my question is, does Capers have the current players playing the roles they should be?

You bring up Clinton-Dix and he has struggled. What I'd like to know is why does he line up 10-15 yards off the LOS and run backwards 25 yards on a lot of plays?

Tarynfor12's picture

" What I'd like to know is why does he line up 10-15 yards off the LOS and run backwards 25 yards on a lot of plays? "

Dyslexia????

RCPackerFan's picture

By who, Capers or Clinton-Dix?

I wish I could find the twitter links for it. Some of them are just ridiculous.

CJ Bauckham's picture

'Dix'lexia*

rdent's picture

"What I'd like to kow is why does he line up 10-15 yards off the LOS and run backwards 25 yards on a lot of plays?" Answer; he plays Saftey and does not want to initiate contact.

RCPackerFan's picture

I agree pretty much with everything that you have said.

My question with those players is, why are they having more success elsewhere? Are they being used differently (which they are), and why weren't they used that way in GB?

Which then leads to the question, are the current players being used the way they should be?

Coldworld's picture

It is hard to argue on individual by individual comparison that the packers have worse players than most. The subsequent success FA losses also indicates ability has not been lacking. For that reason, I think you are right: Capers is past his expiry date.

I am not convinced by all the 4:3 love however. I remember the downsides of prior 4:3 schemes when we used to play base most of the time. I think the coach is the key, not the scheme type.

Coldworld's picture

It is hard to argue on individual by individual comparison that the packers have worse players than most. The subsequent success FA losses also indicates ability has not been lacking. For that reason, I think you are right: Capers is past his expiry date.

I am not convinced by all the 4:3 love however. I remember the downsides of prior 4:3 schemes when we used to play base most of the time. I think the coach is the key, not the scheme type.

stockholder's picture

I don't think he's Ray Nitschke or even Jim Carter. Seems more like Ringo. The tackle numbers are descent. But I'm just not happy with the Sacks or behind the line tackles. Blake just does not have enough speed for me. Still gets caught up in traffic to much. He's made the most of his chances. But Bishop was a better LB. And a good comparison is Aj Hawk at this time. If you look at the safeties behind him. They have a lot of tackles too. The stops he made are important. But let's not put him in the great category yet.

Since '61's picture

Stockholder, no one is Ray Nitschke and we're not likely to see a player like him again. As for Martinez your comparison with AJ Hawk is appropriate but I think that Martinez will evolve into a better player than Hawk. Martinez is still very early in his career and I believe he has more upside than Hawk ever did.

Martinez has not been a good pass rusher but I don't think the Packers expect him to rush the passer as much as CM3 or Perry or Brooks or J. Jones. The concern that I have with Martinez is that he has not been very good in coverage and I think that opposing OCs know it. He is part of the problem for our consistently wide open middle of the field.

His coverage skills may improve over time or maybe we should rotate him out on 3rd and long situations where our defense is always so vulnerable. Maybe that will happen if we ever FIRE CAPERS! Thanks Since '61

stockholder's picture

Edited,sorry. I think his value will never be bigger than his last game. What do you think about trading him for a higher pick. Even Ryan. Think about it. The packers are not going to make the super bowl. So it's time to trade a couple of guys instead to help a team. 1. Martinez, Ryan, Janis,etc. Which guys? The return maybe higher than the awarded comp pick.

PackerAaron's picture

The trade deadline passed weeks ago...

Tundraboy's picture

The Voice from on high is back! Or should I say our prodigal son has returned.

stockholder's picture

Thank you . I read an old article. My mistake.

The TKstinator's picture

Nagler sighting!!!

dobber's picture

...or siting, perhaps.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Excellent post, Since '61. Martinez is a nice player, but it has been so long since GB had a really good ILB that people mistake mediocrity for pro bowlers. That's a bit harsh: I'd put Martinez in the top half, probably a little better than that, of ILBs. He is probably two ticks better than average, not quite solidly above average. He has coverage issues. He bites on play action too much. He is a good tackler, takes generally good angles and processes quickly. Plays the game the right way, too. Good player to have.

Bearmeat's picture

This morning I grabbed an old coffee cup out of the back of my cupboard. A Packers cup. With Rodgers, Jennings, Collins, Matthews and Woodson on it. This is a cup from 2010.

We don't have those kinds of players anymore. Except Rodgers. There is not a difference maker on either side of the ball. No one that opponents have to game plan for. Except Rodgers.

This is not a great team. Maybe not even a good team. Except Rodgers. The team has pretty good players. Some of them. Like every team in the NFL. Except Rodgers.

Ted needs to go. So does Dom. And if Mike won't fire Dom, Mike needs to go too. I don't want to see Aaron back on the field this year.

Now.

Finwiz's picture

Good post - especially your last paragraph.
That sums it up perfectly in my view.

Coldworld's picture

Woodson was a rare player. Who is like him today? Collins was a huge loss. But for his first 3 years or so he was castigated as someone who could not live up to expectations. Then the penny dropped. I’d say we have some with the potential to be as good as that team or better. Of course that would be uncomfortable for the fire everyone crowd.

Capers needs to be let go. As to TT, I think we might have a pretty good roster going forward IF we cut some ties with a few declining expensive vets like TT did early on. With Rogers deserved cap hit, we can’t pay for past glories and keep our best and we can’t have good enough cover to paper over the cracks. Look at Seattle now Wilson is getting paid. It gets tougher

Tundraboy's picture

I would at least like to see how this team could play under a different DC, now. After the last 6 years, why is he still here? Defense, Special teams performance are both MM's responsiblity as well and in those areas he has failed miserably He is just too stubborn to do anything about it. And because of his long tenure, I believe he is afraid of conceding he has been wrong all this time, and is still wrong. Yet another reason why his shelf life is over. Including TT, is there any good reason for any of them to stay.

I can hear it all already Rodgers was hurt, let's give them another shot. Sorry, No, I have seen that before. Don't want to be left with the usual hopes for 2nd year players stepping up, fewer injuries, and praying we hit on an immediate star or two in the draft.

Lphill's picture

I don't like the hate on AJ Hawk , he was a class act and hard nosed player , he played in a different scheme at Ohio state but he was solid for the Packers , sometimes his role was to take on blockers so the other inside backer could make the play . I met him once leaving practice had a nice chat with him when I told him I was from NY he started talking about the Yankees he knew a lot and was a fan , it's a great memory for me .

Coldworld's picture

Hawk’s only crime was being drafted when he was and merely being good. His stats support that we got value for the pick, it just wasn’t a lottery winning jackpot pick.

stockholder's picture

I liked the pick of Hawk. That was one TT prayed for. Capers wrecked him.

dobber's picture

I wouldn't blame Dom. Hawk was well-suited to be the banger ILB in a 3-4, but the game changed around him. He lacked the footspeed and coverage ability to keep up with it.

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