Grading the Pack - HaHa Clinton-Dix & Blake Martinez Bonus Film Review

Last week, Mike McCarthy was asked about some of the things they do during the bye week. His response: “We spend a lot of time on us, on self-scout.” Well with no games this week to grade, this was a bit of a self-scout week for me as well.

When I go about grading games every week, one of the things I try really hard to do is not get any outsider input until after my article is posted. I don’t check Pro Football Focus’ grades during the week, I stay away from Ben Fennell’s amazing film breakdown article, and I generally try and stay away from the other great film guru’s breakdowns as well. When I’m grading I want the grades and the thoughts to be organic and ultimately my own.

Once the grades are posted I then go out and review what others were saying about the Packers’ performance. I review PFF’s grades, and see where we differed. Generally speaking, PFF and I are generally within the same ballpark with our grades… except for two fairly large exceptions.

Those two exceptions are HaHa Clinton-Dix and Blake Martinez. Pro Football Focus grades HaHa Clinton-Dix as an 87.7; their third highest graded safety behind only Earl Thomas and DJ Swearinger. Blake Martinez grades out as an 80.6 for them, and their 9th rated inside linebacker. Meanwhile HaHa grades out as a -3.70 for me, the third lowest defender on the team, and Martinez has just a slightly positive grade with a +0.60.  Both players have obviously been polarizing figures for fans as well.

So this week my goal was review my grades, and allow you all the opportunity to judge for yourself. I re-watched every HaHa and Blake snap of the season this week, and below are the standout plays… the good, the bad, and the ugly if you will. I’ll make some comments below, but for the most part I’m going to leave you judge for yourself. Today, you get to be the grader. So go ahead, watch the tape, and assign your grades below in the comments. Without further ado, here’s the tape:

HaHa Clinton-Dix

Effort

Big Plays

Touchdowns Allowed

Coverage

Run Defense

Open Field Tackling

Blake Martinez

Run Defense

Pass Defense

Open Field Tackling

Screen Defense

Blitzing

When I went back and reviewed everything, ultimately, I felt pretty good about the grades that I assigned. The effort plays with HaHa are really the plays that are so frustrating. At the same time, he has a handful of the biggest plays on defense this season. Then again, he also has a handful of brutal missed tackles in the open field and was involved in multiple touchdown plays. There are some big positives, but on a play to play basis he’s very inconsistent and the effort plays are damning.

For Blake Martinez there is a trend. If you didn’t notice it, go back and look again. When he’s clean, he looks pretty good. But he is incredibly dependent upon Clark, Daniels, and the linemen up front keeping him unblocked. As soon as things get messy, Martinez really struggles. He’s been great at diagnosing plays, but he has to be more aggressive and find ways to be a playmaker.

I know there’s a lot to take in this week, but I hope you enjoyed the videos; hopefully you have a better idea of how you feel about Blake and HaHa after reviewing the tape!

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Andy is a graduate of UW-Oshkosh and owns & operates the Pack-A-Day Podcast. Andy has taken multiple courses in NFL scouting and is an Editor for Packer Report. You can find him on WFRV's Green Bay Nation and every Friday on the Friday Film Room on WDUZ . Andy grew up in Green Bay and is a lifelong season ticket holder - follow him on Twitter @AndyHermanNFL!

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 26, 2018 at 08:39 am

Watching each videos without reading any comments.

My opinion based on the clips.

Clinton-Dix tries to be the last line of defense on almost every play. Meaning he doesn't come to tackle unless he has to.
He can be a good open field tackler and can look horrendous at it too.
He has been probably the biggest play maker on defense. Sometimes by being at the right place at the right time. But on a couple of plays he absolutely read the QB and made a play on the ball. He could have more big plays if he had that killer instinct. He seems to lack that. The 'its near me its mine no matter what' type of attitude.
I don't come away thinking he is the #2 best safety in the league as PFF suggested. But I don't think he is as bad as some fans believe either.

Martinez - Open field he is a really good tackler. Rarely does he get burned. When he is clean and has no blockers he is a great ILB. When the OL gets to him he really struggles shedding blocks.
Martinez is tied for the team lead in Sacks. I wouldn't mind seeing him getting more blitz opportunities. He seems to have a knack for it.

After reading what is wrote -

Clinton-Dix if I was going to grade him on plays I would say he is a B-/C+. More because of his big plays. Without those, he would be much lower.
Obviously I haven't seen every play to say he deserves the -3.7 grade that you have him at.

I would like to know, on the plays that he comes up and he doesn't do much, and the players in front of him tackle the player with the ball, is that a negative/positive/nothing score? On those I would say they should be a 0 or nothing. Just my opinion.

Martinez - Our eyes see the same thing. He is a really good ILB when kept clean. When blockers get on him, he struggles. I wonder if he may not be as good in the new system? OR I wonder if he may get better as he learns the new system and they give him more opportunities to blitz.

For my grade for him I would give him a B grade.

Great article as always! Thanks for the work!

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Tundraboy's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:32 am

One of your best RC. Reasonable and honest. I like Dix to some degree but I don't like people that are afraid to tackle and with all his talk and playing on the field, everything just reeks of him wanting to play elsewhere. He's not going to openly rock the boat at this point, but he smells a big payday elsewhere. Not enough for us to pay. There will be other options. Whatever he contributes this year, positively of course is gravy, but I'll take the pick.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:47 am

I agree on Martinez: a better football player than he is an athlete, but not great in either category.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 26, 2018 at 08:50 am

Great work as always Andy appreciate all the effort you put in to these articles. For the HHCD picture does anyone else want to punch him in the face for that look on his face?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:12 am

No.

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PatrickGB's picture

October 26, 2018 at 09:47 am

Good grief. That was a ton of work. Thanks for educating us.

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zoellner25's picture

October 26, 2018 at 10:06 am

I watched the first 3 of HHCD, I don't need to watch more. He's awful. Bye Bye

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nostradanus's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:00 am

Great work Andy!

Dix - C+
He has the skills but does NOT bring it game in and game out with passion. Dix has disappointed more often than not and he doesn't seem to want to be in Green Bay. The Packers will let him walk at seasons end and he will probably go on to make a Pro Bowl someplace else.
The Packers will take the compensation draft choice.

Martinez - B-
Blake has limitations but plays with passion and is a heady Linebacker (a better version of A.J. Hawk) a leader and he obviously loves the community and loves being a Packer.
Give me more players like Blake and you can win with guys like that as long as they sprinkle in a few stars to go along with them.

Go Pack! T
Thank you Andy again for your hard work!

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Jordan's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:28 am

I don't see Clinton-Dix's play lacking passion. I see a guy that is too slow and he knows it. He scared someone is going get past him. He has no makeup speed. And he's really not that athletic.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:41 am

Watch the first few clips of HHCD again: I am not seeing any passion or love for football. There are plays there where with hustle he can affect the outcome of the play at least at the margins (chop a few yards off the gain).

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Jordan's picture

October 26, 2018 at 12:35 pm

I'm not a HHCD fan. I don't want the Packers to resign him. I have never been a HHCD fan since day 1. I thought he was way over rated. I understood why they drafted him.....because they were desperate for a safety that had some smarts. Clinton-Dix is smart, but lacks speed and athleticism.

He probably is a little butt hurt right now since he believes he won't be back. But I don't think HHCD play is a problem right how. The biggest problem the Packers have right now is the play of Aaron Rodgers.

The safety debacle is the only thing I hold against Ted Thompson. Remember Jerron McMillian? When we lost Nick Collins in 2011, Thompson totally miscalculated the importance of Collins and his hustle and speed. Nick Collins was one of the fastest guys in the NFL and a huge part of 2010/11 success.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2018 at 03:05 pm

I think Capers’ use of HHCD got into his head. I don’t know that he is slow, but he certainly seems hesitant on a good number of plays. It could be that he doesn’t like the game, but I think he just needs to let his instincts take over. The more I watch the more I think he would benefit from a reliable partner .... maybe if Williams were to move back there?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:11 am

"I re-watched every HaHa and Blake snap of the season this week"

Wow, you put your work in for sure.

The play where Haha watches the Redskins RB go into the endzone is just not excusable. I don't want that guy getting long term dollars from the Packers.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 26, 2018 at 12:47 pm

Agreed.

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Lare's picture

October 26, 2018 at 01:22 pm

In a contract year, HHCD cares a lot more about staying healthy than he does about making tackles that help the team win. If we can see it on tape, you can bet that the Packers coaches and other players see it also.

I agree that the Packers shouldn't reward players like this with a contract extension.

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Jordan's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:24 am

Clinton-Dix is too slow and he knows it. It affects the way he plays the game.

The big picture is that the Packers defense as a whole hasn't played that bad through the first six games....especially if you consider a new coordinator and some rookies.

Opposing QBs and WRs have made some incredible throws and incredible catches against the Packers D that have definitely hurt them.. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 26, 2018 at 11:37 am

Excellent article. Pretty much agree on Blake. He's a sure tackler. Looks very assignment sure, almost too much: I'd like to see him have more killer instinct. Looks to put a hit on and to limit yardage. Lacks exceptional speed sideline to sideline, but it isn't bad. Yes, he has trouble shedding blocks, but that's what the opponent is paid to do. IDK, my grade is probably moderately higher than Andy's.

HHCD looks generally like a guy who is never going to pull a hammy if it is a running play or if he is trying to tackle a receiver who has already caught the ball. He is a herder and rarely has the correct balance (IMO) between being the last line of defense while also being concerned about limiting yardage. Goes very low too often, and also pretty high too often: that means not enough wrapping up and driving through the opponent's mid-section. He does show urgency on pass defense. My grade is in line with Andy's.

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Madfan's picture

October 26, 2018 at 12:20 pm

First and foremost, Andy, incredible work.

I entirely agree with RC's first comment. As I looked at the videos I also thought that HHCD was playing the last line of defense. But to an exaggerated degree.

I know HHCD and Brice don't want to be fined for illegal hits. In Brice's case, it is a big part of his salary. In HHCD's case, far less so. But it does seem that HHCD is turning down certain tackles where he concludes his tackle doesn't mean much. On plays where he seeming sees value, he does tackle.

I don't know what to say in HHCD defense when it comes to coverage! but, I really don't feel compelled to defend him.

I also agree with RC's comments on Martinez. As I watched the videos I saw effort and a player around the ball. But, I also saw a player frequently blocked. RC's explanation makes sense to me.

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johngalt's picture

October 26, 2018 at 12:47 pm

2nd rounder for HHCD- and don't look back

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Christopher Gennaro's picture

October 26, 2018 at 04:09 pm

Sadly if Earl Thomas can't get a second back, no way haha does either. If you really want to get rid of him, 4th is where I think he at, especially considering he's a rental. Hey K.C you want him?

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BigCheese2's picture

October 26, 2018 at 01:36 pm

I guess this explains why HHCD has a great track record against quarterbacks who tend to overthrow their receivers...?

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BigCheese2's picture

October 26, 2018 at 01:36 pm

and deflection/second chance balls...

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daveinTX's picture

October 26, 2018 at 10:09 pm

Exactly what I think. He is playing the QB’s eyes and flowing to the ball 5+ yards beyond the receiver. And when the receiver catches the ball, Dix isn’t running at the receiver. So with only a few exceptions, he can’t deliver a pop after the catch. And in some cases he isn’t even running the same direction as the guy catching the ball. He is more often on an intersecting line with the path of the football. Almost as if he can’t see or feel where the receivers are. IMO, he doesn’t care where the receivers are. He is just looking to pick off poorly thrown ball or deflections.

Pettine could play Dix more around the box. He seems to be more of an asset in the box. He is a huge liability as a deep safety. All a QB needs to do is look away or pump fake to some empty space before turning to any receiver. That takes HaHa right out of the play in a huge way.

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BigCheese2's picture

October 26, 2018 at 01:44 pm

I should have started my comment out by saying great work on this post. Really helpful to see all of these plays again especially with the additional angles. I have been hypersensitive all season to HHCDs play, not as much Martinez. Thanks for putting this together.

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Oppy's picture

October 26, 2018 at 05:26 pm

the two ILBs in 3-4 Defense have two different roles.

One ILB is tasked with taking on a block (usually a FB or a guard). This is the role that AJ Hawk always played, and fans always griped about him "not getting off blocks" when he was actually doing his job- taking on an offensive player and keeping him tied up so the other ILB could go after the ball carrier clean and uninhibited. This role is also the role that I believe Jake Ryan was intended to play.

The other ILB is then supposed to be responsible for flowing to the ball carrier and making the sure tackle. This is the role Blake Martinez has occupied.

I am not surprised that your assessment echos that Blake is a play maker in space but struggles with getting off blocks. Sure, it'd be great for him to be able to do both reliably, but he was probably scouted and hand picked for a specific role he was suited for. Martinez needs a banger with sure targeting skills next to him, but he's a sure tackler and has great instincts for the game. Few false steps.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 26, 2018 at 06:17 pm

Yeess, but we drafted Oren Burks. Burks isn't going to be the take-on guy.

For fun, I tried to "grade" the clips above. I came up with a +1.05 for Martinez and a +1.20 for HHCD. Not that my grades mean diddly squat.

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Oppy's picture

October 26, 2018 at 09:47 pm

That’s a good point. Depth or perhaps a shift of scheme ahead?

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flackcatcher's picture

October 27, 2018 at 01:29 am

I would say yes to both.

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JerseyAl's picture

October 26, 2018 at 07:02 pm

Ha Ha has three strengths - backpedaling (even if he's already 20 yards deep at the snap, lurking 10 yds behind receivers waiting for a tipped ball, and jogging into the picture after someone else has made the tackle.

Unfortunately, he's the best safety on this team and that, in a nutshell, is the biggest obstacle this defense faces.

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Since'61's picture

October 26, 2018 at 10:17 pm

Andy - thanks for all of your hard work once again. I have noticed in my re-watch of each game this season that many Packer defenders including Martinez have trouble getting off their blockers. This includes Perry, Martinez, CM3, Morrison, Fackrell and Gilbert. It has been particularly bad on the edge. I fully expect the Rams to exploit our edges in this weeks game.

As for HHCD I just don't understand why he has not been sat down by our coaching staff. He has made a few big plays this season but there are too many plays that he avoids completely or just doesn't get involved. The TD run by the Redskins is a particularly egregious example. I would have sat him down after that play for sure. Either he is not interested in playing or he is overly concerned about being penalized. In any case he has hurt our defense more than he has helped. Sit him down until he wakes up. Thanks, Since '61

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flackcatcher's picture

October 27, 2018 at 01:26 am

Andy, nice work. I agree with your overall assessment of both players. I would only add that the scheme is having a bigger impact than we fans see. It may take till the season's end before we can understand what both players role are in this defense. As an aside, this Packer defense makes major changes in how they play offensives from half to half in games. Not just making adjustments, but at times flipping their scheme on it's head. That puts a great deal of stress on the back end. So far because of the relative health of the secondary, it has worked.

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October 28, 2018 at 02:28 pm

HHCD is a strong safety playing free safety. I would love to see T-Dub move to free safety and backfill with Breeland, putting HHCD back where he belongs: closer to the LOS. He’d complement Martinez in run support and can handle coverage for TE’s and RB’s in the middle, and gets to blitz more. I think he’d have a shot at becoming a Pro Bowl caliber.

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