Film Review: The Running Backs

For the first time in a long time Green Bay opens the offseason with a trio of running backs who are young, talented, and have shown the ability to be capable running backs in Green Bay’s offense. Throughout the Mike McCarthy era it’s often been a challenge finding depth at the running back position.

Here were the depth charts at running back during McCarthy’s time in Green Bay:

  • 5/1/18: Ty Montgomery, Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams
  • 5/1/17: Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Christine Michael
  • 5/1/16: Eddie Lacy, James Starks, John Crockett
  • 5/1/15: Eddie Lacy, James Starks, Rajion Neal
  • 5/1/14: Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris
  • 5/1/13: Eddie Lacy, James Starks, Johnathan Franklin
  • 5/1/12: James Starks, Alex Green, Brandon Saine
  • 5/1/11: Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, James Starks
  • 5/1/10: Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, James Starks
  • 5/1/09: Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, DeShawn Wynn
  • 5/1/08: Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, Vernand Morency
  • 5/1/07: Vernand Morency, Brandon Jackson, DeShawn Wynn
  • 5/1/06: Ahman Green, Vernand Morency, Noah Herron

You can make a strong argument that this is the deepest that Green Bay has been at running back during McCarthy’s tenure. But a few questions remain, including, who should be number one on the depth chart, how should each running back be used, and what can we expect from each player in 2018?

Let’s start by taking a look at the tape of the three running backs and break down what each running back does well, what they need to work on, and what they can bring to the team in 2018.

Aaron Jones

Let’s start our conversation with Aaron Jones who I think most would agree has the highest upside and showed the most explosiveness of the running backs in 2017. Last season Jones carried the ball 81 times for 448 yards with an impressive 5.5 yard average. He had 4 touchdowns, no fumbles, and 6 carries of 20+ yards. He also added 9 catches for 22 yards. Overall he picked up 23 first downs on 90 touches. If Jones can put up that type of production over the course of a 16 game season he would easily be a Pro Bowl running back.

Positives:

Jones is an explosive running back who is always dangerous with the ball in his hands. He and Davante Adams are the two most dangerous skill position players and the more opportunities Jones has to touch the ball the better. Jones had 11 carries over 15 yards and 6 carries of 20+ yards last season showing off his big play ability. In his last year in college he broke off a 40+ yard run in an incredible 8 games. Simply put Jones is a bigtime playmaker.

Jones also has a very unique feel for the position. Not only does he possess above average vision but he also seemingly has a 6th sense for where holes are going to open. His ability to process information quickly and improvise are above average as well—you can just see how quickly he makes the correct decisions on the football field and he consistently puts himself in a position to find extra yardage.

Jones doesn’t have insane top end speed (he only ran a 4.56 at the combine) and you can see this a bit on tape as well. He’s not going to run away from the faster defensive backs in the league but he doesn’t always need to in order to make big plays. Jones is slippery, elusive, and straight up tough to tackle in the open field.

While Jones didn’t have a lot of production in the pass game last year, he’s a solid overall receiving back and can help in that area as well. Overall there’s a lot to like about Jones’ game and that came across when he had his opportunities in 2017.

Where Jones can improve:

The biggest issue right now for Jones is his ability to pass protect. Green Bay did a lot of unique things with Jones last year to avoid him needing to block, including leaking him out at the last moment, using him in play action, and making him the primary check down. Ultimately, Jones is going to have to learn to be a better pass protector if he wants to stay on the field. As good as Jones is, the primary goal of this franchise (besides winning) is keeping Aaron Rodgers healthy. If Jones can’t be trusted to do that he’s going to severely limit the amount of time he can be on the field. (Click the below tweet to see the full thread of Jones’ pass pro in 2017):

Jones showed flashes in pass protection but he was also wildly inconsistent. As you can see in the videos below Jones was pushed around way to easily and needs to find ways to anchor and hold his ground. Yes he’s on the shorter side but he’s also a 200+ pound back with a compact build. He needs to do better in this aspect.

Jones also needs to stay healthy. Not only did he miss time last year but he’s missed time in 2015 due to a torn ligament, 2014 due to an unknown injury, and 2013 due to a broken rib.

Durability and pass protection will go a long way in determining just how good Jones can be.

How to use Jones

Green Bay is going to use their running backs in some sort of platoon; I think that’s fairly easy to see. If all running backs are healthy I wouldn’t expect to see any of the backs getting 22+ carries in a game. Green Bay throws too much and has too many weapons in the backfield to see that many carries used on one back. It’s also the way the league is trending at the moment.

I’m actually not set on Jones being the starter, more on that in a moment, but Jones absolutely needs to be the player with the most guaranteed touches and the player who gets the ball in the most opportune moments. What this means is that I’d almost rather see Ty/Williams break down the defense a bit first and once the defense starts putting their hands on their hips breakout Jones and let him get those explosive runs.

Jones needs to be guaranteed 10-12 touches at minimum every game. It doesn’t matter the score, the situation, or how you get it to him, but get him the football. As mentioned above he and Adams are the two most explosive players and they need to have the ball in their hands. I won’t be upset if Jones doesn’t get the ball 25 times a game or isn’t anointed as the starter, but he cannot go through another season with only four games of 10+ touches.

Ty Montgomery

Do not sleep on Ty Montgomery. I repeat… do not sleep on Ty Montgomery. It’s really easy to forget about Ty after watching a season of Aaron and Jamaal show what they can do but I’m not so sure that Montgomery shouldn’t be the starting running back for Green Bay. I went back and watched the 2016 tape of Montgomery and it’s easy to forget just how explosive he was. He had 77 rushes for 457 yards and 5.9 yards per carry. He also added on another 44 catches for 348 yards. He was really used as a weapon and he didn’t disappoint.

Montgomery didn’t have the same success in 2017. In fact he had 184 less rushing yards in 2017 despite only receiving six less carries. The explosive plays decreased and he obviously had trouble staying healthy as well. When I went back and watched the tape, I was really reminded why I had such a positive grade (+7.2) on Montgomery. Montgomery actually ran for more yards than I would have expected based on the blocking. He ran hard, made the correct cuts, and had really solid vision all throughout the season. I expect to see him put up much bigger numbers in 2018, more akin to his 2016 performance.

Positives

With Montgomery starting out as a wide receiver it’s really easy to forget just how big and powerful he is. Montgomery is 6’0” tall, 216 pounds and he runs with power. There are multiple plays where you can find Ty running through arm tackles and finishing through contact.

Montgomery has exceptional balance. He has under-appreciated vision and he is a very, very patient runner. When he sees his lane he will explode and he has a unique ability to get small through the hole. He’s not afraid to setup linebackers with a hesitation move and then cut in the opposite direction. He makes quick cuts and not surprisingly he has incredible hands for a running back.

Where Montgomery can improve

Ty runs too tall and because of this he has more surface area to tackle and opens himself up to a greater risk of injury. He lacked the explosive playmaking in 2017 and needs to find ways to break bigger runs in 2018. He also needs to develop a plan in the open field. Ty is shifty at the line of scrimmage but too often when he gets to the second level he doesn’t have a plan of attack. He needs to develop a stiff arm, spin move, etc… to help get him past that final defender. He also needs to continue to get better as a pass blocker.

How to use Montgomery

As mentioned earlier I’d almost like to see Montgomery start the game for Green Bay. Jones needs to be the guy who gets the guaranteed touches and the player who is most put in a position to succeed, but Montgomery can be used to setup Jones later in the game. Ty is Green Bay’s most well rounded running back. He can run with speed and power, run through contact, catch the ball out of the backfield, and he’s adequate as a pass blocker. Montgomery provides a lot of flexibility because of his abilities in the pass game and I like the idea of using Ty early in the game to see how the defense matches up against him. If other teams come out in smaller defenses then they know they can use Ty as a power runner. If they come out in heavy formations Green Bay will have mismatches in the passing game.

Ty Montgomery remains a major weapon for Green Bay and they need to find a way to utilize him as such this upcoming season.

Jamaal Williams

If there was one player on the team who you could see improve as the season progressed it would have to be Jamaal Williams. Williams started the season as an impatient runner who rarely setup his blocks and didn’t have a great understanding of how the play was supposed to progress.

As the season moved forward Williams became better and better at using his blockers correctly and developing patience. Most importantly he developed timing with his offensive line and had a better understanding of how the play was supposed to develop. It was a night and day difference from early in the season through the end of the year.

Williams ended the season with 153 rushes for 556 yards and 4 touchdowns, averaging 3.6 yards per carry. He had a long run of 25 yards and added 25 catches for 262 yards and 2 more touchdowns.

Positives:

Williams is a physical runner who can grind down opposing defenses as the game goes on. He gets better later in games and he’s certainly not shy of contact. His signature 25 yard run against Tampa Bay ended with a violent stiff arm, a good reminder of how Williams runs on a down by down basis.

Williams was efficient in the passing game both as a receiver and as a pass protector. This is a big reason why Williams may see more time in 2018. If Rodgers and McCarthy trust their backs in pass protection they tend to get a lot of playing time, even if it means sacrificing production and big play ability.

Williams was durable and had no fumbles in 2017, something that was a strength of his throughout his college career as well. Williams checks all the boxes for reliability and dependability with his toughness, ball security, and pass protection.

Where Williams can improve

Williams has to become more dynamic with the football in his hands. He had 178 carries including preseason and only one of them went for 15+ yards. Even that run was more of a breakdown by the defense and he was untouched for the first 15 yards (it went for 25).

It’s great to be dependable and reliable but at some point you need to be able to make dynamic plays and be a game-changer. Skill position players are paid to make dynamic plays and that was something Williams struggled with. (Yes Williams had the long touchdown catch against Cleveland and two big screen plays but the catch against Cleveland was a defensive breakdown and the screen plays were 90% blocking).

Williams’ inability to create big plays is also keeping his average down, resulting in a below average 3.6 yard per carry average.

How to use Williams

If Jones and Montgomery are healthy then I’d prefer that those two get the bulk of the carries. Where Williams can be used is later in games as the closer. Williams is a bruising back who runs with some violence. The last thing a defense wants to see in the fourth quarter when they are worn down is a 213 pound power back with fresh legs.

There will no doubt be injuries that come up throughout the course of the season and I fully expect Williams to have an impact at some point, but until he can show he can be more of a dynamic runner the main touches need to go to Jones and Montgomery.

Final Thoughts

Overall Green Bay is in an enviable position at running back. Green Bay didn’t bring in one outside running back this offseason. There were no free agents, no draft picks and no undrafted free agents picked up this year and that’s because Green Bay feels comfortable with their current stable of backs. I didn’t cover Devante Mays today but he could certainly still play a part as well. His fumbles last year quickly got him in the doghouse and he was never really able to recover.

I wouldn’t worry so much about who is the “starting” running back, but rather how they distribute the touches and if they put their players in positions to be successful. Green Bay has three distinct running backs on the roster with very different skill sets. It should give McCarthy, Philbin, and Rodgers plenty of options in the backfield if each are used properly. Start by setting aside 10-14 touches for Aaron Jones every game and work around that.

If a running back gets a hot hand by all means run with it but I fully expect a platoon situation and hopefully a system that uses these running backs to the very best of their respective abilities.

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Andy is a graduate of UW-Oshkosh and owns & operates the Pack-A-Day Podcast. Andy has taken multiple courses in NFL scouting and appears weekly on 107.5 The Fan in Green Bay to breakdown film. This past season he was an analyst on Green Bay Nation on WFRV TV in Green Bay. Andy grew up in Green Bay and is a lifelong season ticket holder; follow him on Twitter at @sconniesports.

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Oppy's picture

May 17, 2018 at 06:05 pm

I agree about not sleeping on Ty- I think when he's healthy his patiently-pick-around-before-exploding-through-a-crease style is reminiscent of Le'veon Bell. But he's got to stay healthy.

I think Devante Mays is going to be opening eyes this season. Our RB room is looking great. We have 4 backs that all bring a little something different but valuable to the table.

Overall great article, but I would not recommend that Aaron Jones does more of what he did pass-pro wise in the last clip (from the twitter link) to remain on the field more in 2018. Yes, he got the job done, but it was fundamentally horrible form. He never got close to square to the rusher, and the biggest sin is that he way over extended and lunged a country mile at the rush. That gets OL in trouble, let alone RBs. Gotta use those feet, get square, and pop in the chest.. don't lunge. Yeah, it was enough that play, but I guarantee he was taking lessons from that clip in the film room on tuesday.

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Oppy's picture

May 17, 2018 at 06:08 pm

I am excited to see the ground game take shape this season, but it starts with the Packers utilizing it as more than just a clock killer to wind out games, or only running the ball until they can get the DBs to bite on PA, then abandon it again, while 12 is healthy. Here's hoping.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 17, 2018 at 07:18 pm

I agree Oppy. So many unknowns..........

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I bleed green more's picture

May 17, 2018 at 07:39 pm

Might be the best group in years.

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Chuck Farley's picture

May 17, 2018 at 09:43 pm

The running back role has diminished over the years. Unless you have a ball busting, break away threat, the three we have will suffice. Why Mike insist on fullbacks to take roster spots is inane. I say an o line that can open.holes is.way more important than a fulllback.
I know mental Mike wants to think he can shove the ball down there throats, but we have Rodgers. It's a passing game Mike.

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dobber's picture

May 18, 2018 at 08:17 am

In the past, when they've had so-so pass-pro RBs, it's always been a John Kuhn or a Ripper in there on 3rd downs because they're fairly assignment sure. In recent years, this team has been very dependent on 11 personnel...so not many 2-back sets.

2017
Ripkowski 5 carries, 7 catches, 17% of offensive snaps
Kerridge 0 carries, 1 catch, <1% of offensive snaps

2016
Ripkowski 34 carries (4.4 yd avg), 9 catches, 26% of offensive snaps (but remember that Lacy, Starks, etc., were all hurt)

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May 18, 2018 at 05:09 pm

Hmm...”mental Mike”....trying to shove the ball “down THERE throats”....

I just can’t.

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dobber's picture

May 19, 2018 at 07:36 am

I think you just did.

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The TKstinator's picture

May 20, 2018 at 06:09 pm

You got me.
I cannot deny.

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May 17, 2018 at 11:35 pm

I love the 27-second clip where Williams fails to properly read the LG and in the next sequence reads it perfectly.

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David Aures's picture

May 18, 2018 at 12:18 am

The videos definitely tells the story. Jamaal Williams should not be the starting RB this year. Coaching staff better improve on teaching backs how to block.

So important to our offense if Ty or Jones or both are back there, and one of our speed rookie WR works out as a deep threat. How (Crazy) dangerous would we our offense be. Wow!!!!! I am one excited frickin Packers Fan cause its going to happen this year. GO Pack

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May 18, 2018 at 04:45 am

No contest. Start Jones.

Our RB must be a legitimate threat on every down, if we want defenses to respect the run and not just rush Aaron.

Truth is, we don't have a franchise back. But Jones is the closest thing to a dangerous one.

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Coldworld's picture

May 18, 2018 at 06:04 pm

Not at the cost of Rodgers. However good Jones is and however much I want him scorching defenses, he is not more important to us than our QB.

He isn’t a bad blocker, he is (or was last year) a terrible one. Until that is fixed he will not and should not start.

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May 19, 2018 at 09:38 am

First, he will improve as a blocker, or we should fire the coaching staff. Second, without him, we have no threat--which endangers Rodgers all the more.

There are very few RB's on NFL rosters who couldn't manage the paltry numbers Williams put up last season with that many carries. If we were to release Williams outright, I'm not sure who would find a roster spot for him.

Jones is a good #2 back on a team that has no #1 back. He'll do. As for blocking, the threat he poses alone is better protection than leaving Rodgers facing front 7's who just pin their ears back and yell "Charge!"

Coach him in blocking or get a coach who can. I have no time for incompetent coaches throwing up their hands and settling for "reliable" backs who present no threat.

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May 19, 2018 at 03:30 pm

I couldn't disagree with you more. There is no guarantee that Jones is going to become a competent pass blocker no matter who his coach is. There is a long list of RB's who have gone from team to team because they couldn't pass pro and no coach could help. And while Jones is our most dynamic runner he is also a finesse player in a game that has always been just as much if not more about power and strength. Jamaal Williams is our most punishing back when it comes to pass pro and running between the tackles which is a very important task in any offense [think 3rd and 1 vs Viqueen D at the 40 late in 4th qt], to cut him would be foolish at best. I would bet Williams would improve more at pass pro than Jones as he's already shown the heart and willingness to pass pro. Unfortunately these aspects of the game often go overlooked by fans such as yourself who watch highlight films and think that all 60 offensive snaps are going to be or should be TD's passes and long runs for espn's highlight reel. J. Williams is going to be a very integral part of the Packers offense. The coaches know what they want from their backs and what their backs are capable of and drafted Williams before Jones for a reason believe it or not. In the end they drafted both because both fit very specific need for the Packers offense.

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May 18, 2018 at 05:42 am

IMO Philbin is going to be huge in helping devise a game plan to utilize the talents of the Packers RB group. There's absolutely no reason the Montgomery and Jones couldn't be just as effective in the passing game as Bennett and Levens in the mid 90's. Obviously we need an athletic O-Line to help with that but the Packers need to try harder to use them that way.

Montgomery and Jones are weapons and I for one would be ecstatic if they were used like that. To many times we've watched Rodgers choose to throw deep trying for the "Big Play" instead of dumping it off to a guy like Monty or Jones who were wide open more times than I can count.

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May 18, 2018 at 07:44 am

I partially agree with you ALP, but it's what Jones doesnt do when hes not touching the ball that concerns me. I love him as a runner but the fact of the matter is as long as Rodgers is out there Jones will not be the focal point of the offense. I'd like to see improvement made in pass pro and as a receiving threat with 12 on the field before I put my chips on him as "our guy" or the starter even IMO. At least not in this system.

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dobber's picture

May 18, 2018 at 09:08 am

It's my hope that catching the ball won't be a problem for Jones as he showed at least decent receiving chops in college.

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May 18, 2018 at 09:33 am

12 on the field will get a penalty every time... LOL!!!

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May 18, 2018 at 08:27 pm

I would also love to see Montgomery used more in the passing game.

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hodge555's picture

May 18, 2018 at 05:52 am

Back in January i think we did pick up another running back, Joel Bouagnon, so we have 5 (not counting full backs). Other than he's 6'1", 230Lbs and has a RAS score of 8.84 I don't really know anything about him.

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Coldworld's picture

May 18, 2018 at 06:06 pm

Got injured in a crowded Bears camp RB competition. Showed some potential I am told. No direct knowledge.

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May 18, 2018 at 06:47 am

Andrew, another gold star article. Thank you for your efforts...

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Ryan Graham's picture

May 18, 2018 at 09:27 am

dobber I'm also under the impression that Jones can be a fine receiving back. I'm more so worried about his pass pro than anything... As I am with Ty Montgomery. Been hearing a lot of good things about him this offseason in putting good bulk on. Now if 88 can stay healthy boy look out he could be a difference maker anywhere on the field, presnap with or without the ball. Key is staying healthy

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May 18, 2018 at 07:29 am

Great article on the running backs! I also think Monty will be a very valuable RB for the Packers this year. He is the best short yardage back they have and w/ his pass catching ability....makes a defense leave some holes for Rodgers to exploit with other weapons.
A friend was very excited when Green Bay took Mays, but last year he must have been in the forest of doubt. He just wasn't able to show what he could do. So either he comes into camp this year with a tank full of confidence, or will get passed by Bouagnon who has similar build, athletic ability and running style.

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May 18, 2018 at 07:34 am

This maybe the best overall group of RB's we have had in a long time.

I personally think Jones is a stud. His vision, cutting ability and burst is impressive to say the least. He needs work as a pass protector. I do think he improved as the season went on. But IMO, why make him do it if he isn't great at it? Use him for his strengths. I get that to be a complete player he has to become a better pass protector. And not having him pass protect tips off the defense to what is coming.

Williams really improved as the season wore on. While he still missed holes his vision did improve. I really think him and Jones will form a really good 1-2 punch for the next few years. Don't be surprised if he takes a big jump this year.

Montgomery is the ultimate swiss army knife. The problem with him is staying healthy. IMO he needs to be used for about 10-15 plays a game in various roles. As a RB and WR. I think he will last longer and be more dangerous as a role player.

What I would love to see is for them to take a few pages out of other teams playbooks on how to use the RB's. The Patriots, Eagles really use their RB's in a lot of different ways. I'd like to see GB do that.
I'm hoping Philbin and the updated playbook will incorporate the RB's more into the passing game.

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May 18, 2018 at 08:13 am

"What I would love to see is for them to take a few pages out of other teams playbooks on how to use the RB's....I'm hoping Philbin and the updated playbook will incorporate the RB's more into the passing game."

I like the idea of 2-back sets featuring basically any two of these guys. I think there's tremendous flexibility there in terms of motioning RB out of the backfield, running the ball, etc. Atlanta and NO have really been the poster children the last couple years for how to use RBs to diversify an offense. They spread defenses out, get their backs the ball in space (on both run and pass calls), and let them create. A 5-yard dumpoff is essentially a run play, but it forces a defense to defend the entire field sideline-to-sideline on just about every play.

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May 18, 2018 at 10:21 am

I completely agree. I love the idea of putting Montgomery in the backfield with either Williams or Jones.

Honestly Jones and Montgomery could be a lethal combination. Both are explosive, and great as receivers. Putting both of them in the backfield at the same time, to go with Adams, Graham and Cobb? I think creates a lot of mismatches.

With those guys I would like to see them get those little 5 yard passes, hitting them in stride and have them turn a 5 yard play into 20. Getting those guys the ball in space should be one of the top priorities this year.

I can't wait to see what they do and what changes are made with the offense.

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May 18, 2018 at 11:11 am

It certainly helps to have three guys who can get yardage.

You know that at least one RB will miss some time, RB being such a heavy-contact position, probably more than one. That's why it is so nice to have three possibilities.

Beyond the improvements of Jones and Williams, there is still improvement expected of another two big bodies, Mays and Bouagnon. Even if neither pan out the Packers have a solid backfield. If one of them does, RB could turn out a position of great depth, enough to even allow a trade.

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May 18, 2018 at 08:56 am

Hell the league doesn't draft RB's unless they're a stud, so getting much in a trade for an unknown back won't pan out.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 18, 2018 at 08:06 am

Great article. With Philbin back I have high hopes for all that's pointed out to become reality but I have my doubts. Certainly we won't see any of this until the season is underway because we won't show too many looks early in preseason.

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Rossonero's picture

May 18, 2018 at 08:44 am

Really enjoyed this article. For my money, we know Montgomery is not a RB. His body can't take the punishment and he can't stay on the field. Add to that his sickle cell trait and he should move back to WR, where we have more of a need anyway.

I like Jamaal Williams, but I love Aaron Jones. If he can improve on his pass protection, he'll earn the majority of the carries. We have a really nice 1-2 punch with both of them.

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May 18, 2018 at 04:22 pm

We're set at RB. It's Williams and Jones and of course any undrafted RB that surprises us. Are you going to split carries amongst Williams, Jones and Monty? None of them would be able to get into a rhythm like that.

I agree that you can motion Monty and move him around, but between the tackles? He's already proven his body is not built for the RB position. People need to take the sickle cell trait more seriously. His body does not heal as fast as someone else's.

Yes, WR is a need. Why are so many fans asking for Dez Bryant? Jordy is gone. How many more concussions can Adams sustain? Cobb has not lived up to his 2nd contract.

And while we drafted a bunch of WRs, history and a large body of data show that WRs typically do not make a meaningful impact until year 3.

Yancey couldn't make the team last year. Clark is unproven. The other 3 draft picks are intriguing, but projects. They have to learn the offense, including a more complex route tree, get their timing down and earn the trust of Rodgers. Maybe in year 2 a few WRs make a jump, but to expect one of these guys to magically light it up their rookie year is unrealistic.

Four years ago the NFL had a great rookie class of Beckham, Evans, Watkins. However, since then, Amari Cooper is the only 1st rd WR who has had more than 635 receiving yards as a rookie. That's it. Just him.

If the rd 1 guys haven't had an impact, what is supposed to convince me that our 3 mid to late round rookie WRs, plus unproven guys like Clark and Yancey will?

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Rossonero's picture

May 18, 2018 at 05:03 pm

Nope, don't watch that show. The Dez headlines are all over this site. I don't want him, but the discussion is being had because a need still exists. What's the plan if Adams gets popped in week 1 and has another concussion?

There are far better odds of a late round or even UDFA RB making an impact than a WR. Shoot, Jones was a 5th rounder and made an impact last year. It's a position that allows players to make an inpact much more quickly than the WR position.

Allison is the only legit WR we have outside of our core starters. I don't know why you keep mentioning Yancey either. He couldn't even make the roster as a special teamer last year.

I forgot to include Ripkowski and Kerridge, who are very capable fill-ins. Yes, Williams and Jones got nicked up so that is fair to say. I'd be perfectly fine with Kerridge and Ripkowski stepping in if need be though.

You didn't comment on the statistic I noted about WRs though. Any thoughts?

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May 19, 2018 at 06:08 am

Ok, thanks for clarifying about Yancey. I agree about Mays -- let's hope he's not a total bust and shows something this year.

Yes, let's hope this is the year a WR emerges. I have a hard time believing Adams makes it 16 games unscathed.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 20, 2018 at 10:50 am

Rip and Kerr are short yard guys and emergency fill-ins. They are not guys that can play more than a hand full of touches in a game. If you have to rely on them consistently you likely have lost as now offense is predictable and lopsided.

I laugh about everyone saying one of our stud rookie WRs is not capable of making a big splash. Baloney! If the talent is there and they kept their head in the play book, and if the OC and Aaron want to target the young man they could make him a 1,000 yard receiver.

Personally, I'd like to see one of the rookie WRs take one of the outside starting WR spots with Cobb doing crossing patterns underneath. Prior to end of season and playoffs (hopefully) he will be a significant producer.

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May 19, 2018 at 03:59 pm

Ask that question if Davante Adams goes down to injury. Who then is the number 1 WR. If any of the 3 RB's go down either of the other two is capable of taking over as the starter and that is how we have a bigger need at WR at this current time than RB.

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May 20, 2018 at 10:35 am

Montgomery just might the best muscular physique of any player on the Packers. Pound for pound likely one of the strongest the Packers have. He also is a pretty big running back certainly bigger than Jones. Just saying!

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Since &#039;61's picture

May 18, 2018 at 09:06 am

If the Packers can get the right side of the OL shored up their ground game can be a very effective asset for this offense. One of the best ways to protect Rodgers would be an effective ground game. Play action off of a solid ground game can translate into extra time for Rodgers on pass plays and reduce the need to keep an RB in the backfield for pass pro purposes.
Not to mention how a good ground game can just chew up the clock when we have a lead in the 4th qtr. Give Rodgers a ground game and a decent defense and he'll take care of the rest. Thanks, Since '61

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May 18, 2018 at 09:09 am

We were on the same page as we were both typing lol.

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Since &#039;61's picture

May 18, 2018 at 03:19 pm

4th - as usual great minds think alike and at the same time.
Thanks, Since '61

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May 18, 2018 at 09:07 am

A running game is the best thing to protect AR. Being one dimensional is a disaster waiting to happen when teams can tee off and rush the passer. AR knows this and lobbied for a running game since we had him. It would be great to see our backs excel in all purpose yards. A lot of emphasis will be on pass protection in TC and the RB who does it best will see more playing time IMO. A balanced offense with AR will be unstopable.

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May 18, 2018 at 11:06 am

I wonder if the Pack will try Mays at FB? At 230 lbs he’d add another dimension as a lead blocker with a threat to run.

Rip did not show much last year. He is not a very good blocker given his size...and Mays is a lot faster and has a ton of ball carrying experience.

Mays got the nickname “Bull” for a reason!

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May 18, 2018 at 12:46 pm

i'm wondering what will they do with mays and rip remember they were in mccarthys dog house i think he should give the a chance ?

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May 18, 2018 at 09:18 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bEcOodlmUb4

Williams was doing this against STACKED boxes..and he's pretty dangerous in the screen game. I'm not taking anything away from Jones or Monty. Monty has pretty smooth in the screen game as well. With Hundley in there...teams basically knew the Pack would be running a lot. At times I counted 8 or 9 players around the LOS expecting the run and Williams still wore them down.

Jones is explosive but I still have to see more on blocking and pass catching before crowning him THE MAN.

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May 19, 2018 at 11:32 am

That's a great highlight video!! I do love me some Aaron Jones but Jamal is definitely our beast of burden and a badass in his own right. He does all the hard dirty work and hes a chain mover, Jones and Monty are the hack and slash guys.

Nothing would please me more than seeing Williams closing out the final 4 minutes of games (wins) for the next few years.

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May 18, 2018 at 11:21 pm

Monty is not a running back... never has been, never will be.

The rest: --- I'd still rather have a 1st string RB than three 2nd string RBs.--- I'm not convinced any of them will be the answer.

RB will be a GB problem the rest of AR's career in GB. --- It's sad how some team's hierarchy gets it & some just don''t.

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May 19, 2018 at 11:33 am

Im sure your a sad lonely man with that kind of attitude.

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Finwiz's picture

May 19, 2018 at 11:42 am

I agree with you on Monty.

As for the other two, I think Williams is good, but lacks big play ability, and Jones is a gifted runner, the only questions are, can he block for the franchise, and can he stay HEALTHY?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 20, 2018 at 10:55 am

That response is crazy!

The Pack has a stable of very good RBs who only are going to get better. There are so many other team needs that need strengthening. OL, TE, special teams returner, edge rusher. Wow!

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