Extra Cheese: Talking 53 Man Roster

Aaron chats with Packers fans as the team closes in on its initial 53 man roster for the 2019 season.

Earlier this afternoon, I held a Packers chat over on our YouTube channel about all things Green and Gold as the team gets to the required 53 man roster. You can catch the replay below.

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Keek's picture

August 31, 2019 at 05:55 pm

Do we kick the tires on Brandon Marshall?

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PackerAaron's picture

August 31, 2019 at 06:11 pm

I answered this several times in the video above! :)

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:09 pm

You mean we are supposed to watch?

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greengold's picture

September 01, 2019 at 10:57 am

Ha! Well played...

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holmesmd's picture

August 31, 2019 at 06:19 pm

He’s an undersized OLB coming off of a knee injury. I see no reason to do so. There are certainly other OLB players available after cut downs if the Packers feel the need IMO.

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stockholder's picture

August 31, 2019 at 06:31 pm

I pray are starters don't go down. My question now; is Gute / Sherman? Had he not signed the Smiths,Amos,Turner. The 53 would be pathetic! This team has all the markings of Sherman's teams, before TT. So do you really believe we won't need a QB, 2 Wrs, 1 RT, 2 Tes, 2 ILB, 1 De, And a KICKER? (in 2020.) Let alone trying to sign Clark? This is shocking. The UDFAs will not be here in 2 years. I believe Sherman would be proud of Gute. Wolf wouldn't!

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4thand1's picture

August 31, 2019 at 06:40 pm

Take a pill man.

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August 31, 2019 at 06:46 pm

That is insulting. Sherman was not onboard for the Rodgers pick in '05 to begin with. Think where this team would be now.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 31, 2019 at 07:07 pm

Stockholder, “My question now; is Gute / Sherman? Had he not signed the Smiths,Amos,Turner. I pray are starters don't go down. My question now; is Gute / Sherman? Had he not signed the Smiths,Amos,Turner. The 53 would be pathetic! This team has all the markings of Sherman's teams, before TT. So do you really believe we won't need a QB, 2 Wrs, 1 RT, 2 Tes, 2 ILB, 1 De, And a KICKER? (in 2020.) Let alone trying to sign Clark? This is shocking. The UDFAs will not be here in 2 years. I believe Sherman would be proud of Gute. Wolf wouldn't!”

In my opinion, this post is so foolish. What if he hadn’t made the incredibly bold move of signing 4 UFAs? OK, what if Wolf hadn’t traded for Favre? See how foolish that sounds? It’s not as if either was an accident. So you start by attempting to diminish Gutekunst’s boldest moves. Contrast Gutekunst moves in this one off season to all of Thompson’s over his tenure as GM.

Does this team have weaknesses? Yes, like every other team. Do I believe they need a QB? No, they have (IMO) the best in the league. They kept the better of the two backups and if Rodgers is out for more than a couple games they're screwed anyway. 2 WRs? Nope, they’re fine at WR. 1 RT? For the first time in a while I’m confident they can succeed without Bulaga (Turner to RT, Jenkins to RG). 2 ILB? Yep, they’re extremely thin at ILB. 1 DE? If it were me, I’d have kept Daniels, but if Pettine knows what he’s doing I think he has all the ammo he needs to put a good D on the field. A K in 2020? It’s 2019, let’s see how Mason does this year and if they need a K, they can address that next off season.

Gutekunst in his short stint as GM has been more Wolf-like than Thompson ever was.

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stockholder's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:21 pm

I praised Gute for his 4 FA's. But you cut out: I pray they don't go down. Why? Because he now has to use UDFAs for back ups. Sherman traded picks to fill his holes. Gute is trading picks to get players to fill his holes. (like Sherman). Diminishing him is an assumption on your part. This team should have No weaknesses after his MOVES! He knew ILB was a major need before the draft. What makes Burks so good? Everyone knows if A-Rod goes down, the season has always been over. Yet he never addressed the QB and the OL correctly.( Until MM left ) TT brought in Rodgers and others at QB! (Regardless what Favre thought) . Don't knock TT for that. Gute has made the same mistake as TT. {Standing Pat on starters, and not worrying about the back-ups.} You may think were better off with guys from the kitty Box. I don't ! What happened when Collins, Woodson, Fineley,etc. left?. Domination and Dynasties don't come from UDFAs.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:49 pm

Well, only one new undrafted free agent made the team, and he looked pretty good. Your being a little over (un)excited right now. Every roster is filled out with late or undrafted players. 7 rounds in a draft over 7 years is only 49 players. So realistically, every team should have around 5 undrafted guys on it. I don't know why your so worked up. This is normal...

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 31, 2019 at 09:12 pm

Sherman was a bad GM, which shouldn't have been a surprise since he had no background in player evaluation. All GMs trade picks & all draft for need. To use that criteria to say Gutekunst = Sherman as GM is shallow analysis. It's the players each acquired that matters & while its early in Gutekunst's tenure, I think it's obvious he's doing a better job. And of course Sherman never did anything close to what Gutekunst did this offseason.
Did you criticize Gutekunst for not fixing the OL in his first year as GM when he had to extend Rodgers before last season? Only someone whose standard is this team should have no weaknesses, would have such unrealistic expectations.
One more thing: How many UDFAs comprise the average NFL roster & how does the Packers current 53 compare? And are UDFAs bad as a group or would an analysis of each UDFA be more meaningful?

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Holecrap's picture

August 31, 2019 at 10:58 pm

I agree with you on most. I keep thinking that Mgmt is so controlling of the purse strings ithat UFA's play a big part in the scheme of things to keep the costs down.
Like you said the problem is relying way to much on starters not being hurt so you don't need to use the UFA's and we know thru the years just how well that has worked. But they keep doing it.

Last week watching the Vikes game, one TV analyst said he couldn't believe the talent behind the starters and the talent behind them. The third string was finishing up the game and dam, they had some good looking players.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

September 01, 2019 at 09:23 am

Holecrap, Gute is in the process of resending this roster. We just brought in a new offensive scheme. It will take one more year before we get good depth.

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Bure9620's picture

September 01, 2019 at 07:53 am

Stockholder you are making the assumption all UDFAs give you the same production. They dont, just like some 3rd round picks hit and some don't. Raven Greene is a find, should have been drafted. Sam Shields as well and Corey Clement and Tamon Williams. Bottom line, they did not trade or draft secondary backups because they like what they have. J'Mon Moore was a fourth round pick and it's time to move on, ALL teams have those.

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Coldworld's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:30 pm

I like the great majority of what Gute has done up to yesterday.

Today in my mind has not been his finest. Allowing for the fact that the final roster is far from it, I still think he ended up with an imbalanced roster with serious weaknesses in certain areas.

I think LaFleur helped create the problem. A waste of time competition between Taylor and Jenkins results in them having to keep Patrick because Jenkins never spent time at Center with the ones.

Similarly, the refusal to look past Carson, a man cut immediately after by far his best showing, led to Ford not getting a shot and giving a free ride in to the talented D Williams who is a recipe for getting his QB crushed so bad is he at picking up protections.

That said, we go into a season with two competent running backs, one fullback with no back up, 4 TEs and one QB who is raw and has yet to perfect a lot of the toolbox.

On defense we have linemen galore and perhaps one full time OLB, Fackrell, who I hope is not a starter. At ILB we have three healthy ILBs, one of whom had perhaps one of the three least impressive camps on D (so two really) supported by Greene.

Greene is an ILB 2 possibility, the only hybrid/ ILB 3 and the 3rd traditional safety. There is no backup to Greene at the Hybrid. There is fortunately a backup primarily deep safety and a slew of CBs.

While it is true that perhaps no one on the roster didn’t earn a place on O or D except Crawford (Madison I think was held back by LaFleur trying to make him a center to free Jenkins for most of camp), it is Gute’s job to build a balanced Roster. He has not at this point.

Why Markus Jones was cut I do not know. Why Matthews was cut or Sheldon provide similar puzzles. Jones earned a spot on my view. Matthews and Sheldon provided cover where we mist need it and played well enough to at least start the season till others came back.

As things stand, perhaps Gute will solve this by bringing in significantly more external talent than TT typically did. If not, this roster is a conglomeration if deserving individuals who, taken as a whole nevertheless represent a misshapen mass.

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stockholder's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:37 pm

Tramon Williams will be moved in case of emergency. .

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Branden Burke's picture

August 31, 2019 at 09:07 pm

I don't see what your seeing at all. I don't see any real issues with the roster. Nor do I think there were any surprises outside of waiving Bolton injured, but what else could they really do with that? No surprises at QB, RB, FB, TE, WR. Either line. Nothing. I would like to see another backer. That's about it.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 01, 2019 at 07:27 am

Initial roster only. I see more roster changes shortly. Perhaps a linebacker or two and a safety?

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greengold's picture

September 01, 2019 at 11:05 am

Coldworld, much is going to change over these next few hours. I agree two they kept, IMO Redmond and Crawford were kept needlessly over two others we know of. Add, Burks is my least fav of any, but may prove a valuable add back onto roster late season after IR, which I suspect will happen. Was Crawford injured during last game? Maybe same for him, with a FA/trade addition added to ILB.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

September 01, 2019 at 09:05 am

We will need a backup qb unless the Packers go with signing someone like Brian Hoyer. We don't have to force the issue, though. Only get one if a good QB falls.

We really don't need 2 wrs. We just kept 6+1 on it. Standard is 6.

Rt shouldn't be a huge issue. I think that's where the Packers want Turner to play after Bulaga walks.

We probably will need to add a de but I like Looney who will probably be on our ps. TEs will be worrisome. Maybe sign one in FA. ILB is fine. Take a guy late to develop.

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Wilment's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:55 pm

Anyone think we have a chance of sneaking Lazard on to the practice squad? Im sort of surprised he didn't make the cut....

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Branden Burke's picture

August 31, 2019 at 09:11 pm

He should get onto the practice squad with no problems

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DraftHobbyist's picture

September 01, 2019 at 09:08 am

Yup. Most teams have wrs they want to sneak on the ps at this point. A team would have to be really hard up to take lazard and put him on their 53. If they do, that's fine, but I don't it. He's solid with nice size but needs time.

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greengold's picture

September 01, 2019 at 11:08 am

Wilmet, I’m thinking he is one of 4 that I would like for them to bring back. I doubt any of them clear but I remain hopeful.

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Wilment's picture

August 31, 2019 at 09:00 pm

Really happy we kept Williams. That kid is great later in the game....has the ability to take a game over. Great accompanying piece to our running back group.

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Wilment's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:58 pm

I was happy to see Cole Madison make it....hope the kid does well...

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greengold's picture

September 01, 2019 at 11:08 am

No doubt

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Holecrap's picture

August 31, 2019 at 10:42 pm

Call me stupid (ok your stupid) but not sure why you would put Brown on IR and have him miss an entire season with pay of course, versus like cutting him with an injury designation.
He hasn't really shown great talent to date and is worthy of keeping around. Just today there must be 25 or 30 receivers cut and your now talking next years draft a flock of new ones to choose from. Why not move on?
Maybe its just a loyalty thing. Dont get it.

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fastmoving's picture

September 01, 2019 at 07:23 am

Whhhhhat??? He was impressiv last season. Sometimes even great.
So Im pretty sure not a lot of peaople call you smart, at least not football smart.
I would call you blind....

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stockholder's picture

September 01, 2019 at 08:21 am

Most had EQ as a bubble player. He does have talent. I really like him. But It's idealism vs. business at this point. I feel the Packers will cut him now. I said he was done as a Packer and he would get an injury settlement. 11 plus dislikes; because people can't deal with the reality of the EQ. I don't believe we have the 6 best Wrs for A-Rod. The UDFAs making this club are hurting the future. My observation is that they are not going against the #1s / CBs.//// That they made this club for now. ( Flashing in the Pan!) The packers are losing out on the future of the position. Sure their running good routes. But the hands and separation, are what makes a great Wr unit. I believe the constant change in WRs is the wrong direction. That it's a hot hands approach; It will hurt how we draft, and effect the cap numbers in the long term. I looked for game changers. Not Duds! TheFan favorite ; Bang for the Buck, is not a long term solution. Great QBs can make a WR look better then he is, as long as he can catch. Which now must happen!

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DraftHobbyist's picture

September 01, 2019 at 09:15 am

Well, you were wrong. EQ was IRd instead of getting waived. I guess those downvotes were justified.

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stockholder's picture

September 01, 2019 at 09:37 am

How can you say I was wrong if it hasn't happened yet! I said he would be Cut, and get an injury settlement. Forget next year! So it was a forecast. An Assumption on my part. Go back to Acme!

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September 01, 2019 at 11:15 am

stockholder: “I don't believe we have the 6 best Wrs for A-Rod. The UDFAs making this club are hurting the future. My observation is that they are not going against the #1s / CBs. … The packers are losing out on the future of the position. Sure their running good routes. But the hands and separation, are what makes a great Wr unit. I believe the constant change in WRs is the wrong direction. That it's a hot hands approach; It will hurt how we draft, and effect the cap numbers in the long term.”

Allison was signed as a UDFA in 2016. Kumerow entered the league as an UDFA in 2013. Once a player has played in NFL games, how is his status as entering the league as an UDFA important? I would argue it is not. What’s the difference between a late-round draft pick and an UDFA? Again, not much IMO. Darius Shepherd is the obvious exception. Not only has he not appeared in an NFL game since this is his rookie season, he wasn’t even immediately signed as an UDFA after this year’s draft. He earned his way onto the roster beginning with his tryout at the Packers’ rookie minicamp. Considering your statements about UDFA, perhaps you think the Packers shouldn’t waste their time doing that minicamp.

I think your singling out UDFAs is without merit. But the real problem with your post is “The UDFAs making this club are hurting the future”. That’s just nonsense and makes me wonder why you include it in your post. The salary and cap figures that follow are from the overthecap site: Allison’s cap number is about $2.456M. That represents less than 1.5% of the cap (one report had his compensation at $2.8M, still a miniscule cap number). He signed a one-year deal so if he’s released after this season, his cap hit is zero next season. Kumerow’s cap number is $570K, less than 1% of this year’s cap. He signed a one-year deal so if he’s released after this season, his cap hit is zero next season. Shepherd’s cap number is $495K – the lowest number on the team. He’s due to make $585K next season and can be waived after this season with no cap consequences whatever.

So your comment about UDFAs hurting the future is precisely and demonstrably wrong: All three can be waived with no consequences on the cap whatever. If Gutekunst decides to extend any of the three, the only reasonable problem we as fans should have is cost/benefit of such an extension and not their status as entering the league as UDFAs.

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stockholder's picture

September 01, 2019 at 01:33 pm

I don't feel their a waste of time. You are correct that they did earn their way on. The problem is they have a short life on the team. The NFL draft was set up to give an advantage to the team, with the lesser record. The same with the waiver wire etc. And thats what your not seeing. Sure there are No guarantees. " The UDFAs are not an advantage. " The over-all talent on the team suffers. Allison didn't get Adams Contract. He's here because no one is better. (UNDFAs Etc.) Who is the #2 WR? You can't say anyone after Adams is a #2. They will only be players that earn their way on a team. The mismatches start with the draft. The Wrs must be the weapons of an offense. James Lofton, Sterling Sharpe, Nelson, even Driver. got it. Not players who earned their way on. Their not a Home-run threat. Their over achievers. Something any defense can defend against!

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

September 01, 2019 at 01:44 pm

stockholder, I missed the part of your post where you justify your comment that the UDFAs will, "... hurt how we draft, and effect the cap numbers in the long term". You can't even admit the comment on cap numbers was BS?

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dobber's picture

September 01, 2019 at 02:07 pm

If they play well enough that the Packers choose not to draft WR in the future, I don't see how they hurt the drafting strategy of the team. If they got the players they want, they got the players and can now use that draft pick to find an OT or a DL or an ILB.

If you see a $20 on the street, you pick it up. You don't leave it just because it won't be in your wallet in two years or because you were expecting to spend a $20 that's already in your wallet.

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stockholder's picture

September 01, 2019 at 02:37 pm

Ok Let me help you with that. The revolving door didn't work with TT after 2010. The cap numbers will go up, when the draft picks/ UDFAs fail. Why ? Because you have spend more to get the players you need. Didn't Gute run into that and cut Daniels? The caps in professional sports were to stop a owner from buying a trophy. TT was about fiscal responsibility. Making the wrong choices, sticks the team with lesser talent. And becomes problematic. How many Tes have we seen since Finley? How much money was spent?

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

September 01, 2019 at 05:54 pm

stockholder, you didn’t write draft picks and UDFAs will effect how we draft and effect the cap numbers in the long term. You wrote UDFAs do. The exact opposite is true but you aren’t honest enough to admit it. Instead you seem to exaggerate to make negative points.

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fastmoving's picture

September 01, 2019 at 03:37 pm

Nobody that I know had EQ on the bubble. And you can argue that he helped an off QB out a couple of times last year

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greengold's picture

September 01, 2019 at 11:26 am

I know. Totally overlooked that. Guessing IR who will be able to return in 8 weeks. They must like him that much. Smart depth move if they do, as those big trench dudes both sides of ball that you like & fit system can be hard to find.

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albert999's picture

September 01, 2019 at 11:05 am

Now boys....;play nicely in the cheesehead sand box

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