So now reports on nfl network that Gutenkust does not ask for any input from coaches on draft picks or needs.

Wikipedia says Gutenkust was released by the Packers ?

I actually feel kinda sorry for Jordan Love. I mean, dude's gotta be sitting in his man cave wondering, "Damn, what did I do to deserve all this??"

The whole "heads up" complaint seems like BS to me - if it wasn't that it would be something else.

In fact, I seem to remember some mention from the GM that they could pick a QB before the draft.

Nagler thinking SB while MLF recently said he doesn't care about SB's.

“I’d like to keep every conversation that Aaron and I have had up to this point between us,” LaFleur said. “I know the report’s out there. But this guy’s our quarterback, man. He’s our leader of our team. I want nothing more than to see him back in a Packer uniform. In my eyes, he’s the greatest to ever do it. I don’t care about Super Bowls or whatnot. But we want him back here.” MLF

Sounds like what some of us readily accept about the FO, 'Winning is all that matters, being the 'WINNER", is not the goal. This also confirms, if only in sentiment, what Rodgers is upset about, not doing what is needed to be the WINNER, whether the Love selection, defense, or a true number two WR.

The argument will be the back-to-back 13-3 seasons, but it falls meaningless when you understand that only one TEAM stands in the victory boat, and all others are the rowers. The Packers simply sit in the 2nd row of oarsmen, but rowers nonetheless. MLF sounds like he's perfectly fine holding the bullhorn for his rowers chanting, 'We may not be the WINNER, but we're winning the seat for the second row of oarsmen'.

Thinking Super Bowl? With Love as QB? Now that’s optimism! Oh yeah, I forgot. CHTV is refusing to acknowledge reality this weekend. Hey, even the hacks at Packers.com have written a piece on the AR/Gute rift.

Anyone else feeling like the wind is out of our sails? What a mess, from the frying pan into the fire, from dumb to dumber, a means to an end, and I can't think of any more cliches right now.
The Three Stooges, Murphy, Gurtekunst, and Ball, are destroying this team, I said it when power grabber Murphy restructured the system and I'll say it again, he thinks real estate will cement his Packers legacy, I think not.
Gutekunst is an idiot, a Ted Thompson a$$ kisser, in the same mold, he was trained by Thompson and it shows. He could build a 50 room mansion in one of Ron Wolf's shoes with room for 3 football fields to spare and still not fill it. He proved it a year ago with the most stupid draft in Packers' history since the Tony Mandarich fiasco, but even then, Mandarich was coveted by other teams, Love was a 3rd rounder.
And then Ball, pfft, the let's give contracts to Lowery and King and then mess with Aaron Rodgers guy, yeah that guy, that Ball, the so-called contract guru!
But hey, they all report to Murphy, so let's put the fault where it lies, at the top, the real estate mogul, the guy too busy riding around in a motor home, singin' Kumbayah with his pals and ignoring the fact the The Green Bay Packers are a football organization.
Fire them all and get a real football guy back running the organization.

Thanks for the extra cheese Nags! Swiss is my fav.

Do any of you think about another trade. That trade would put AR in deep thinking. Because, he will know that he will fall from horse to donkey.

I say only avceptable trade for Packers is with Texans. AR for Deshaun Watson and 1st pick 2022 draft.

It will give some time to evaluate JL and see what they have and will give them opportunity to have excellent (not the besr maybe, but still) talent at QB.

I still prefere AR, but if he will be stubborn, itnis better to show the respect tomother players in the locker room than trying to satisfx Diva...

Mark Murphy said they've been dealing with this Rodgers situation "for several months". If that's the case, don't you think they would have considered re-signing Tim Boyle?

The NFL ratings just improved. I don't think Rodgers wants to come back. Or play for anyone else. Gute got what he wanted. Be happy. You've turned Rodgers into Favre. Leave him alone. The train has left the station. I Thank him. Let him get out with dignity.

If the Packers had an owner driven to win Rodgers would have several more Lombardi's , any NFL owner if they had Rodgers would surround him with talent on both sides of the ball every season, not draft developmental players or wait for others to pan out, 2 super bowl wins from Favre and Rodgers is nothing to brag about.

There is not a shot that AR will not play and give back 20+ million to the Packers. That boy has some huge ego but I'm sure he's not
that dumb.

Stockholder. Barry Sanders didn't have to return 20+ million in bonus money like Rodgers will. No way does he write that check. Not now not ever. You think you would ?

Following the Packers draft strategy last year, it's probably a good thing that the Packers got their QB when the getting was good because this year's draft featured quite the QB food fight! And rumor has it, nobody stands out in next year's class. I think it was good move to draft a QB last year based upon the previous couple of years (and AR is no spring chicken anymore). Now look at the mess we made! Just trying to do the right thing for the Packer organization!

I really liked this draft and I really like our chances of winning the SB, especially when you add in our other weapons (Funchess, Deguara, Sternberger) who will be returning! Of course, this means AR returns and leads the Pack to glory! I believe that the Packers drafted with confidence that AR will be back.

Should he leave, buckle up, things could get real ugly for the Pack! I hope that there will be a veteran QB in the trade because JL is probably traumatized by this whole situation! He could most certainly benefit by sitting another year. AR might not be one of the best ever had he not sat and learned for three years.

Go Pack!

By the way Aaron Nagler, you rock!

CHTV just trying to replace packers.com for their PR and cheerleading squad? Super Bowl squad? Team hasn't done much to improve over last year and a rookie class won't be putting them over the top. This off season is going to get worse before it gets better. Gute made a mess of this team. To say Rodgers will play one more year is looking far fetch. He has just told the Packers this will be happening on his timeline, not theirs.

In 2019 the 13-3 Packers were destroyed twice by a SF team that was superior to GB in every aspect except QB. Ditto in 2020, this time against TB. With Rodgers at QB, the Packers are a strong playoff contender but in no way a Super Bowl contender. Without Rodgers, they are a weak division contender. No reason not to be happy with a playoff contender as a fan, but to keep trumpeting that GB is headed to the Super Bowl given the front office performance in player acquisition year in and year out is fantasy.

Fire the management now! Green Bay's board needs to huddle up and get rid of these ASS CLOWNS! Gutekunst and Murphy are a dime a dozen! Two back to back generational QB'S in the last 30 years and 2 championships to show for it. A f---ing 30 second conversation before the draft last year with Rodger's and you wouldn't be sitting in your own mess GUTE! Last 9 years one offensive player taken in the first round and that pick was Love! It won't be the Frozen Tundra anymore. More like Nuclear Winter in Green Bay!

Count me in the Super Bowl camp this year, as long as the Packers make a monster trade. PLEASE.