Cory's Corner: Who Is Aaron Rodgers?

 
Will the real Aaron Rodgers please stand up?
 
Watching the first half of Sunday's 23-20 win over Detroit was like swallowing a case of sandpaper. Throws were all over the place, the offense was out of synch and it just looked awful. 
 
After 30 minutes, Rodgers was 6-for-18 for 90 yards. That was worth a quarterback rating of 50.7. And let's not forget that the Lions came into the game ranked dead last in passing defense. Rodgers also had 16 overthrows, which is the record ever since ESPN began tracking ovethrows in 2006. 
 
That cannot happen in the playoffs. The Packers cannot wait for Rodgers and the offense to get its footing, because after 30 minutes, a playoff team will bury you. 
 
"A lot of plays, too many missed throws," Rodgers said, who finished the game completing 49 percent of his passes with 323 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. "I felt good about the throws, that's the crazy thing. I felt good about some of those that I overthrew by a couple of yards. We were just a little bit off, I think, at times. But when we had to make some plays, we made some plays."
 
Are the receivers the envy of the league? No way. This obviously isn't the same wide receiver group as 2010. It's Davante Adams and a bunch of No. 3s. This team has 30 drops this year, which is the most since 2016 when the number was 32. But the receivers were open on Sunday, Rodgers just couldn't get it to them. 
 
What's the best way to get into a rhythm? Make the short easy throws and then work your way back up to the deep ball. When NBA players get into a funk, they try and get a bucket in the lane like a dunk or layup. Rodgers has a thirst for the deep ball, but he also has to understand that it's OK to take the high percentage play when things aren't always working.
 
Rodgers needs to get the ball out in three seconds. With a dynamic running back like Aaron Jones as a safety valve, he doesn't have to hold onto the ball and keep taking hits. 
 
According to Pro Football Focus, Rodgers was 31-for-93 on throws of 20 yards or more. That's just 33 percent. On throws of 10 yards or more, Rodgers was 53-for-100. That's a huge change. I'm not saying Rodgers shouldn't be throwing the ball down the field, but it doesn't need to happen nearly as often. 
 
Rodgers is 36 now, but I'm not sure he's all-of-a-sudden an average passer. He can still wow you, he just needs to be more consistent. 
 
Rodgers has leaned on the running game and defense a lot this season and those two things are what will carry this team to the NFC title game. 
 
 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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porupack's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:30 am

<<<<< And let's not forget that the Lions came into the game ranked dead last in passing defense.>>>>>

Such a normal 2019 Monday morning line, the packers make the bottom dwelling opponent look great...., like Phillip Rivers, who otherwise had an astoundingly poor year.

<<<<<<<<<"A lot of plays, too many missed throws," Rodgers said, >>>>>>>>>>

Such a normal 2019 Monday morning line. We just didn't play well (or some variation of that).

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Leatherhead's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:16 pm

Sheesh.....

Been a Packer fan for a long time, I remember beating Jim Brown in the ‘65 Championship.

This has been one of the best seasons in my lifetime. Do you know how many times we've won 13 regular season games? In 1962, we were 13-1 and NFL Champs. In 1996 and 1997 we went 13-3 and went to the Super Bowl, winning one. In 2011, we went 15-1.

And that’s it. So maybe some folks need to appreciate it a little more. It could be a long time before we win 13 again.

As regards Rodgers, I’ve been a critic in years past but I think he did an exceptional job this year. He protected the ball, stayed healthy all season, and managed wins. I think some people have a skewed image of what he is or what we need him to do, but I thought he did what we need him to do and no, he’s not the guy he was 3or 4 years ago.

Regardless of what happens next, 2019 was a good season for us. Savor it.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:20 pm

Good post Leatherhead! I agree completely. I remember the '65 Championship well. The Packers held Jim brown to 50 yards rushing that day. Hornung and Taylor both had great games. The Packers won 23-12 and that was the first of the 3 in a row championships for the Packers. Thanks, Since '61

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NickPerry's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:40 am

Quadruple post...Jezz WTF?

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NickPerry's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:39 am

Triple Post.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:42 am

How very bovine of you. lol.

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 09:55 am

moo.

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NickPerry's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:38 am

Double post...Sorry

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NickPerry's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:38 am

"I felt good about the throws, that's the crazy thing. I felt good about some of those that I overthrew by a couple of yards. "

YOU were the only one I'm sure who "Felt Good" about those then. To consistently miss your receiver who has sometimes 2 or 3 steps on the defender is mind boggling for a NFL QB...ESPECIALLY one who is paid like Rodgers.

"We were just a little bit off, I think, at times."

NO Rodgers, YOU were the one who was off...There was no "WE" involved in being off. I'm sure there where a few plays where the receiver wasn't exactly where he was supposed to be or better yet where you thought he should be. But 16 overthrows? Common Man!

31 of 93 on passes longer than 20 yards?

I knew it was bad but this one makes me feel sick. This is the guy who had the highest passer rating in NFL history and still does (I think) although it's been dropping lower and lower with each passing season. This is the man we extended to a contract and have already had to make an adjustment to create more cap space for next season. Maybe if he wasn't still throwing around the dirty looks at his fellow offensive players. Maybe if he wasn't so damn arrogant at the podium. THIS is just unacceptable!

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Bearmeat's picture

December 31, 2019 at 07:49 am

Preach, NP:

"We" increasingly find ourselves where "we" were in 04-05 with BLF. He wouldn't accept responsibility for his failings, instead of passing it off on far lesser-paid players.

Point blank: Rodgers still has the ability to play like a top 5 QB. Hell, even a top 10 QB would get it done with this team. But if he plays as he has for the last 8 weeks, we are going to get our asses kicked by New Orleans at home in 2 weeks.

Rodgers needs a dose of humility. He needs to play within the offense AS IT'S DESIGNED. He needs to STOP playing HERO BALL and if he doesn't, he needs to be benched. This is year is in the bag. I hope he figures it out. But next year? If ARod doesn't figure out it, we're going to have to try to trade him or cut him (which is unreal to type). This team is set to peak in 2020-2021. It can win a Lombardi with Rodgers in solid form. It will win one (or two) with him in top form. It won't if he plays average (or worse) as he has.

It's time to draft a QB.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:50 am

I ask all of you this question, would Aaron look like this if he had, Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb and Finley? The answer is an astounding NO, IMO. What does that mostly tell you? We have a depleted receiving corps and it shows in Aaron's play. That has been the case for a couple of years now.

When he was younger, he probably could overcome more of this because of his running ability, but the legs aren't the same and asking him to be TOP 5 QB with this WR corps doesn't seem fair. That and possibly a lack of confidence with possibly the Yips equal an average Aaron Rodgers.

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 09:54 am

When he was younger, the offense was a slant and go offense predicated on getting the ball out quickly and letting the WR create, then taking shots deep as the safeties moved up and CBs tried to jump routes. Over the last several seasons, it stopped trying to be that offense, especially as the Packer WR kept getting called for illegal picks and contact. I would argue that this is trying to be that offense again.

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murf7777's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:15 am

True, but that doesn't deal with my question. They tried a few of slants, the reality is the lack of talent and experience at the WR corps! Brady is going thru the same problems right now, he just doesn't have the WR's to get open and/or lack of rhythm with the one's he does have, which leads to bad throws and overly cautious throws.

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:22 am

"the reality is the lack of talent and experience at the WR corps!"

I tend to agree with you. When your QB ages, he needs better pieces to prop him up. I would argue that's why the team is trying to generate cap space by adjusting #12's deal. They need to bring in more pieces and QB1's deal is really the only one that could give them that space.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:28 am

For sure. As currently structured, 12s deal is predicated on the idea that he is going to be better than he's been historically, not see his play decline as he ages. Can't improve the rest of the team when you pay him $35M a year in 2021 and 2022.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:13 am

Now I do agree with you...He needs BETTER skill position players. Adams is a great possession receiver but he'll never run away from anyone. Lazard is a nice story but I really believe Gute STOCKS the shelves this offseason, just like he did at OLB this past offseason. I'd settle for a 1st or maybe 2nd round pick at WR and a FA addition or maybe two depending how it all unfolds.

Question... IF Beckham were to become available in trade would you pull the trigger? His contract is pretty easy to absorb and has either 3 or 4 years left on it. YES, he's a malcontent. But he'd also be the PEFECT compliment to Adams and this offense. Personally I'm torn on this but this COULD be the guy that could put them over the top on offense.

Adams, Jones, Williams, Sternberger (Yes I'm counting on him next year), Lazard, EBS (Remember him) and OBJ?? If Rodgers did as Bearmeat suggests and STOPS with the hero ball and plays within the system, it could make for one hell of an offense in 2020.

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marpag1's picture

December 31, 2019 at 02:50 pm

"IF Beckham were to become available in trade would you pull the trigger?"

Honestly, I doubt it very much. Obviously, a lot would depend on what you need to give up to trade for him, but realistically, the trade compensation is going to be more than just "significant." And I'm not sure how you're thinking that his contract will be "pretty easy to absorb." I'd say it's much more likely to cripple our cap. Five years, 90 million with two-thirds of it guaranteed? Eww..

In the end, I just don't feel that the guy is worth the draft picks + the huge salary + the gigantic ass pains that would come with having OBJ on your team. He's good, but not THAT good. And despite his impressive stats, I just don't feel that he ever really helped anybody win. Obviously that's not all on OBJ, but in 7 seasons he's only been on a winning team 1 year, and the average number of wins per year is less than 6. He's not a winner.

I really feel that we'd be better off with two reasonably priced FAs and maybe a high draft pick

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January 01, 2020 at 02:32 am

If you look at his contract all the guarantees have been paid if I'm understanding it correctly. The contract has 4 years left on it with no money still guaranteed.

I get the resistance to want a guy like OBJ on the roster, but in a place like GB might just be the perfect spot for him. This team has plenty of veteran leadership on it and could handle Beckham if need be. Maybe just maybe in a place like GB where there's little more than football to distract you, it might be the perfect spot. There was also the report he WANTEDE to play with Rodgers. Could be BS, maybe not. but at the end of the day it's worth looking into IMO.

Then again your last sentence makes a whole lot of sense too...Maybe more.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:10 pm

Are you saying that our WRs have carried Rodgers in the past and that our current bunch isn’t good enough to do that?

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Oppy's picture

January 01, 2020 at 11:37 am

Better WR's won't change Aaron Rodgers failure to lead the WR, instead throwing the ball well behind them, making it so the WR has to break his stride and sometimes even come to a near stop on a crossing route just to have a chance at reaching behind them to try and catch the ball.

To that end, better WR's won't get Rodgers throwing over the middle regularly enough (he started neglecting the middle of the field while we still had better WRs).

Better WR's won't change Aaron Rodgers from throwing to the RB in the flat with a bullet pass at his feet.

Better WR's won't prod Rodgers to stop neglecting his checkdowns, like he started doing even with his good friend Randall Cobb still getting open underneath.

The WRs failures occur when they fail to catch the ball. Or fumble it. Or run poor routes. Those are definitely WR issues. But all of those other issues are directly the result of iffy QB play- the guy who makes the decisions and throws the ball.

Should the Packers try to improve the WR room? Absolutely.
That doesn't translate to Aaron Rodgers not being culpable for poor QB play.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:26 am

Along with his willingness to run the ball off RPO. That force ILB back and opened up YAC on the short routes. That all went away after 2016. I would argue that it's been a constant battle for MLF to get Rodgers to do it in his system this year.

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Cubbygold's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:24 am

GB has the highest cap hit of any offense. Rodgers got paid, he has a solid O-line, he has a top-5 RB, he has a top-5 WR and he finally has a defense that's top 10 in scoring. In a game controlled by a salary cap, it's on the guy that makes 6x the average salary to make the most out of what he's got. Better receivers aren't going to change any of his 16 overthrows.

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murf7777's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:41 am

Cubby, have to disagree with you. By the end of next year, the average QB's (that isn't on a rookie contract) will be getting 30+ million per year. The SC isn't for him to manage and how it is spread out doesn't tell the whole story. The reality is Packers just don't have a very good WR and TE corps right now. I'm sure Gutey will fix the problem starting in 2020 thou!

He has one very good receiver and a bunch of young receivers that he doesn't have very good rhythm with. Might some develop into good receivers, absolutely, but right now they haven't shown it. Lazards is getting there, but even he might not develop. Rodgers wouldn't even need Driver, Jones, Jennings, Nelson, Cobb and Finley. If he had two additional that have played with him for a couple of years so he could trust them and have good timing. IE: Add one very good TE and WR we wouldn't be having this conversation IMO.

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Cubbygold's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:54 am

Just factually untrue. Only 5 QBs will make $30M+ next year, and four of them have been to a Super Bowl.

12 doesn't have to care about the salary cap, if he doesn't care about winning. The reality is that big QB contracts kill teams. Wilson, Rothlesburger, Rodgers, Brees, Flacco, Payton... all of their teams won Super Bowls early in their careers, paid them big money, and never won again. Why? Because it's a zero sum game. More for the QB, less for the team. Only outlier is Brady, and he understands winning, so he takes a discount.

GBs defense sucked for awhile, now the receiving corp isn't scaring anyone. Fix the receivers this offseason, next year it might be the o-line, or the d-line. Where would this team be with an injured KC? or Bahk? or alexander? Outside of having an extremely lucky draft like NO did three years ago, this team will always have a missing piece.

Rodgers wants to take every dollar he can get, this is what his team will be.

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murf7777's picture

December 31, 2019 at 01:35 pm

Cubby, Better check your facts....Also, I stated the end of next year, not beginning.....other contracts will be signed. You watch as contracts come up the 30+ million will be standard. Look at what is already signed in the last two years.
Average annual salary
2018 Brees - 25M for 2 years....(best Value)
2018 Cousins - 28M
2018 Ryan - 30M
2018 Grappollo - 27.5M
2019 Wentz 32M
2019 Rodgers 32.5M
2019 Goff 32.5M
2019 Rothesberger 34M
2019 Wilson - 35M

Not only is he lower then the Roth and Wilson, others are right in there that were signed in 2019. As other contracts get completed in 2020 IE: Brees you will see it continue to escalate. Also, Dak's contract will probably be higher.

Your argument about big contracts kills teams....ok, that is obvious that teams with young great QB's like Mahomes have an advantage, but what do you do, get rid of your high priced Veteran QB? Don't think so. The teams in the playoffs most have high priced QB's or ones that will be paid sooner then later.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 04, 2020 at 05:23 am

Mahomes will more than likely get a new deal in the off-season if KC wants to keep him happy.

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Philarod's picture

December 31, 2019 at 11:00 am

I love AJ, but not sure about Top 5, maybe Top 8- 10. Adams is not close to Top 5 (no gamebreaking speed, good, not great hands) and 2018-2020 Graham isn't even Top 40 at TE. He stinks!

Yes, Rodgers does not look like what he's been historically - arguably, the best ever. But he has won us several games this year, and we are 13-3 with a first-year HC, average receivers, a sh*try TE and an often banged-up line. About time we had our first good D in 8 or 9 years!

Relax.

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Cubbygold's picture

December 31, 2019 at 11:15 am

"about time we had our first good D in 8 or 9 years!"

...Rodgers signed his first big deal 7 years ago, what a coincidence.

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Adorabelle's picture

December 31, 2019 at 12:03 pm

The comments about Adams here are just way, way off. He is a 1400 yard 110 catch 10 plus td guy which far beyond a "possession receiver" . That is elite. I think the packers should do it more like the Saints and throw it even more to Adams akin to the Ridiculous amount of catches Thomas has this year and use that to help open up the other options.

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Michael Nault's picture

December 31, 2019 at 12:23 pm

yeah he would, it's not the receivers fault he is over throwing, it's all on him. 312 of 93 long balls,, not a very good stat

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Michael Nault's picture

December 31, 2019 at 12:25 pm

31, not 312 sorry

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jlc1's picture

December 31, 2019 at 02:09 pm

31 of 93 sure looks bad. What is the league average on long ball shots? How about points on a drive that connects? The effectiveness of the completions, not just the rate, might reveal interesting stuff about why they keep getting called with what is clearly a low chance of completion.

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jlc1's picture

December 31, 2019 at 02:23 pm

And here is that deeper dive. Looks less problematic from this point of view.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/by-the-numbers/2019/12/31/21044456/pa...

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December 31, 2019 at 09:49 pm

Very well stated murf7777, I agree 1000% !!!!! I really believe that AR has been so pissed off for the last few years, about the lack of quality WRs and no TE , that he is totally frustrated. I think having 2 good RBs and a good defense is making him feel much better, but as far as the passing game, other than Adam's and the RB, he's feeling like it's the "Same Shit, Different Season" all over again. IMO this organization rode ARs back for so long, that it allowed Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and Dom Capers to deplete this team to the point now in ARs career, that he can't make up for all of it anymore. Yes, AR needs to play better, and he can, but in the passing game, he's facing an uphill battle. I am liking what we're starting to see from Lazard, he could end up being the X factor for us in the playoffs. PLAY LIKE CHAMPIONS !! Go Pack !!

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Hematite's picture

December 31, 2019 at 01:50 pm

The time to draft Rodgers replacement was last April at the 12 spot.
Perhaps no decent QB was available, I don't know.
I doubt that drafting in the upper 20's is going to get us his replacement.
Rodgers absurd contract and his quality of play is going to pinch the Packers for years to come.

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Guam's picture

December 31, 2019 at 09:21 am

A commenter (wish I could remember who) said something a few days ago which resonated with me - "Rodgers brain is writing checks his body can no longer cash". Rodgers' very live arm is having difficulty compensating for his less than stellar footwork and body position and that is resulting in many more less than accurate throws.

I would happily dismiss the Lions as just one game, but it has been a season's worth of these types of games and QB play. We may be seeing the decline of QB1. As a loyal Packer fan and Aaron Rodgers fan, I hate to say that, but a season's worth of evidence is getting hard to ignore.

I agree Bearmeat, it is time to draft a QB.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:43 am

I think you hit on the most disturbing part of the whole situation, and that's the point that what used to be his calling card--his accuracy--has failed him over the last two seasons. He does have games where he's on and he looks like the ARod of the early 2010s, but mostly not...much more streaky than he ever used to be.

We have to ask what causes that. The arm talent is still there. Your pointing toward his mechanics is a great start. He has this knack for continuing to throw from awkward positions even when he's not pressured. He fails to step into many of his throws when he should and is flinging the ball strictly on his arm. It could be a lack of desire to expose himself to a big hit. The other option is a lack of dedication/practice, or just being mentally checked out.

He said he wants to be coached. I haven't seen any coaching going on or--if it is--his paying any attention to it.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:14 am

I'm not a QB coach Dobber so it is hard for me to describe precisely what is amiss, but it certainly does appear that he does not set himself and throw from a solid base much of the time. His marvelous arm talent has allowed him to get away with that for years, but those bad habits may finally be catching up to him. His prior success may be blinding him to the need for better mechanics, but he will not play into his forties if he doesn't make some adjustments.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:15 am

Got to gave credit to Mojo here. He was the first to put out a couple of years ago how Brees had completely changed has mechanics as age and injuries had caught up to him. This was in a thread in which we were all commenting on Rodgers failing mechanics. That was two years ago. Rodgers has been exposed this season like never before. And in a scheme which protects quarterbacks from being exposed to open hits, and lets short passes be the first option. Thanks to Mark Murphy, Gute short term options on Rodgers were wiped out. So Rodgers gets time to fix his mechanics and technique this off season. So the question is: Does he want to...

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December 31, 2019 at 10:23 am

I agree his arm strength is still there and when he was younger he could get away with poor mechanics, but as he has aged he hasn't been able to do it with the same results. As someone already posted both Brady and Bree's went through this in their mid 30's and changed. I believe he will make the change, just hope he realizes that soon like a week from this Sunday!

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Cubbygold's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:33 am

***just being mentally checked out***

This is what I'm concerned with. A guy that's been better than everyone he's played with for years can get an ego. Rodgers has a massive ego and his default is to close people off and work to prove them wrong. That's fine when your play is elite. When it isn't, you need to be collaborative and coachable. I hope we see that next year after he's had 6 months off to think about what this year's stat line tells everyone

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December 31, 2019 at 12:13 pm

It seems pretty clear that you have met Rodgers and seen him in numerous interactions. Any of those meetings you would care to share more details on?

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Bearmeat's picture

December 31, 2019 at 02:39 pm

Hello, ostrich. Might you have some sand I can bury my head in too?

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edp1959's picture

December 31, 2019 at 03:13 pm

He is asking a ligimate questions that you haters never want to answer. Since everyone one of you seem to know so much personally about him why want you share that info with us. The truth is ya’ll don’t know tihs.

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January 01, 2020 at 11:54 am

Try reading articles where people who have actually worked with Rodgers closely have been interviewed.

Or, you know, you can take it from Rodgers himself, who just last season specifically told a reporter who asked if there was anything with his mechanics or footwork that he needed to work on, a curt NO. My mechanics are perfect. I don't need to work on my mechanics...

Except, his mechanics were absolute garbage. Anyone could see that.

Isn't that ego? Isn't it refusal to be coachable and work with people to change?

How about when he told a reporter just a few weeks ago he absolutely is not being asked to get rid of the ball within a given amount of time.. But when the reporter asked the QB coach, the coach told him the offense absolutely requires the QB to get rid of the ball as soon as possible?

Judges and juries don't know the defendant, yet, somehow, they assess evidence and come to a conclusion about what has happened, who is at fault, who is guilty or innocent. The way you crow on about not knowing Rodgers, you'd have us believe there is no way to assess a situation and come to reasonable conclusion without personally knowing all involved. That's ridiculous.

I get it. You like Aaron Rodgers. A lot. That's your prerogative.
Some of us actually read/ listen/ watch to a whole lot of source material and have formed conclusions based on information, as opposed to making conclusions based on a lack of it.

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wildbill's picture

December 31, 2019 at 04:32 pm

Great point on his mechanics. I wonder if his past injuries, especially to his leg, have caused him to make adjustments to his mechanics to compensate. Normally high throws mean your not following through, and coupled with learning from Favre to kinda “jump” throw” has caused his mechanics to degrade. His arm still looks strong but wonder if this is correctable at this stage of his career

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December 31, 2019 at 11:19 am

Jeez, don't take it so personally....

Hopefully AR is just having a down year; Crosby had a miserable season a few years back, and for the most part, has been solid ever since. Give AR a chance to bounce back next season, and if the same issues persist, then we'll know it's time to draft a QB high.

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December 31, 2019 at 12:06 pm

He uses "we" to also describe when the timing is right. Not excusing an awful game from 12, just trying to put the comment in the context of sports speak, something Rodgers uses a lot.

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December 31, 2019 at 05:07 pm

I agree with you 100%. It's his attitude & blaming others that turns me off.
The horrible missed passes are one thing. Accept the blame like a real leader. Like Brady & Brees have done even when they weren't half as bad as that display Sunday in Detroit. It was worse than, gasp, Hundley.

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porupack's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:53 am

I am not so critical of the deep balls. The problem is that there aren't enough successful short passes and successful rhythm plays in between. A few years back, fans complained that GB didn't stretch the field, and the opposing D crowded the short field, and WRs couldn't get open on short routes. Sooooo, stretch the field then and that should help open up short routes.
And if it took a game such as Detroit, (ranked last in the pass), to make a live practice on those deep routes, then that was a reasonable time to try to finally establish a connection between Rodgers and WRs MVS, Kumerow and Lazard. But, the worrying thing is, they still didn't get in sync. Not sure what they practice all week, but maybe with an extra week, Rodgers might want to throw a few more practice reps to MVS-KUM_LAZ.
So opposing CBs in 2 weeks have to consider the go-routes, and that can help with the breaking routes, even though those CBs don't have too much risk if they aren't smothering the Go-Route.

Or....hahaha, maybe sign Antonio Brown to liven up the offense? LOL. Stick him out there one or two times, and make the game a little more entertaining, or add a little fun to the WR room, or give Rodgers a jolt by adding a diva to poke his rib.

At this point, the product GB puts out there is not a good version of football. Never have I not enjoyed a win (or about 12 wins) as this year. Yeah, a win is a win, but I shouldn't have to watch such poorly executed football. Soon, I'll stop watching football and just check scores, if the only thing that is important is the (W) and UGLY performances are acceptable and celebrated.

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December 31, 2019 at 07:49 am

Well said Porupack. A lot of people on this site round it down to a win is a win which is fine if you like watching shitty football. And while i would prefer to be on the win side of the ledger, I don't enjoy sitting in front of a TV watching poorly officiated, poorly designed and poorly played sport of any nature. When the ball starts to not bounce our way, i suspect a lot more people will just be checking the scores.

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:24 am

" A lot of people on this site round it down to a win is a win which is fine if you like watching shitty football. "

I would argue that most posters here don't fall into the category you just delineated. It's clear that most are happy to win but still critical of the process and product. To say that the rainbow unicorn posters are dominating this site over the last 8 weeks is not representing discussion appropriately.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:53 am

Not sure how you are getting to the conclusion that I said "rainbow unicorn posters are dominating this site over the last 8 weeks". Overall, the discussion and comments have been fairly balanced - save for the few that jump to wild conclusions.

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December 31, 2019 at 03:44 pm

I dont even like unicorns!

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Philarod's picture

December 31, 2019 at 07:19 am

Relax, Cheeseheads.

Year after year after year, despite his own injuries and mediocre talent around him, Rodgers elevated a mediocre squad (mediocre skill position players with never a good TE, poor defenses and uninspired STs) to contender status.

Even in an off-game, he still made plays (as did, especially, AJ) to find a way to win.

13-3, a roster that's not all the way there and a first-year coach. This is not a great offense right now, and Rodgers does not look right now like (arguably and reasonably) the best QB I've ever seen in 50 years of watching the NFL.

Rodgers has also consistently praised MLF, and every player on the roster this year. Have a little faith, and after all the years in which he played well enough to win a SB if he had even 9-7 talent around him, the team and its fans can pick him up once in a while, right?

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December 31, 2019 at 07:50 am

You're right historically. But that doesn't matter going forward. ARod is paid to be the man. He needs to be the man or this team is going nowhere. That's how the hard cap league is designed.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:37 am

Yup. Forget every other conversation, this is all that matters. Next year is fortunately a favorable one for GB, but in 2019, 2021 and 2022 Rodgers has to be elite to justify his pay and produce a championship. Anything less will doom this team, since his paycheck prevents them from upgrading other areas of weakness.

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jlc1's picture

December 31, 2019 at 02:02 pm

That is it in a nutshell. An unfortunate fact of big contract extensions for elite players, in any sport, is that the team almost always has to extend the contract for longer than the player remains at an elite level. Essentially they are paying him after the fact for the years when he was becoming elite and was, relatively, underpaid.

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Houndog's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:28 am

Looks like there's plenty of Xmas cookies left over, and donuts too!
There seems to be no end to the constant sugar-coating.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:30 am

How do we as fans get Rodgers to throw an accurate pass? NFL stands for not for long. After the injury to his throwing shoulder collarbone I wondered how Rodgers would look in 2018/19. Against the Vikings he looked like vintage Rodgers against the Lions he looked like Brett Hundley. That's been the case all year. What makes fans nervous is it's playoff time and we need to be consistently great to get to the SB.

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 09:34 am

"Against the Vikings he looked like vintage Rodgers against the Lions he looked like Brett Hundley."

Maybe we've forgotten how bad Brett Hundley really was.

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January 01, 2020 at 12:16 pm

Vs. MN Rodgers did not look like vintage Rodgers; he looked like a journeyman QB managing the game by playing within the system.

That's not a knock, that's exactly what this team needs. It needs the offense to be executed. That's what Rodgers did on Monday Night, and what I was hoping would continue.

The thing is, you're right- we need to be consistently great to win a Super Bowl. To have a consistently great offense, this scheme needs a consistent QB, not a great one.. and especially not a QB who is wildly trying to recapture greatness at the expense of running the offense.

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December 31, 2019 at 07:33 am

To win a game like that is simply amazing. That is an upset loss, without question. Yet somehow they found a way to win it. That is what matters and that is what we should be celebrating. Grit, determination and belief. We are witnessing a special team having a special and unexpected year. Have fun and enjoy the ride Packer fans. I have more faith in this team than any Packer team since the Holmgren years.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:22 am

You're crazy then. 2003, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014 teams and maybe the 2016 team would eat this teams lunch.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 31, 2019 at 09:54 am

Yup. The 2016 version was amazing with so many injuries to both the secondary and both O and D lines and no TE till the last eight games. Both McCarthy and Capers duct tape and glued their units and got it to work. (I should point out the the WR group was also pretty banged up though out the season. Rodgers was insane the last eight games, but that team went above and beyond.... )

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December 31, 2019 at 04:13 pm

2003- 10-6 & 4th and 26.
2007- Favre interception & Eli 1.0
2009- It was fun but loss in WC round (fun though)
2011- Worst D in NFL and 1st round exit (Eli 2.0)
2014- Lost to Chicago to lose homefield and the game we don't mention.
2016- Kidding right? Nice run but really?

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Cubbygold's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:41 am

I'd say it differently. With all that was on the line, anything less than a comeback win would have been the nail in the coffin on this year. The comeback was the bare minimum needed to give this year some hope.

Detroit isn't just a poor football team, they were missing numerous starters. In week 17, they may have been the worst team in football. The lack of energy and focus says more about this team than the comeback does.

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Pierre's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:06 am

The Lions were just a shell of an NFL team being decimated by injuries. They had a third string QB playing and three receivers and a star TE out on IR. The worst pass defense in the NFL and Rodgers has 3 points on the board at halftime, even with Aaron Jones. You have to play incredibly bad at QB to be trailing the Lions 17-3 at the half and starting out 2 for 12 passing by AR was indeed a pathetic performance with all the overthrows.

Couldn’t help think that if Boyle was playing QB and doing that bad passing inaccurately, that fans would be screaming to have him replaced by “anybody”. Actually if Boyle was playing he would have hit more of those deep passes and the Packers would have run away from this Lions team.

Who’s Aaron Rodgers? Right now he’s become the weak link on a team good enough to win a Super Bowl. If he does not improve his downfield accuracy through intense practice the next two weeks the Packers will be defeated by the Saints at Lambeau. It’s all on Rodgers this season to complete passes over 65% and score TDs and get this team to the SB again.

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:18 am

This is also a Lions team that stymied the Packers at Lambeau in September and, frankly, should have beaten the Packers then. They'd also beaten the Packers something like 5 of the last 7 times they've played. While I'm not dismissing your points about this Lions team being beat up and a shell of themselves, sometimes there are teams you just don't match up well with or venues you don't play well in.

"Actually if Boyle was playing he would have hit more of those deep passes and the Packers would have run away from this Lions team."

Everyone's favorite player: the backup QB. Nothing quite like an argument that can't substantiated or supported...or meaningfully refuted.

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Guam's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:28 am

The Lions do seem to be the Packers' kryptonite. When you don't lead in either game ever except for the last play of each game, you are incredibly lucky to be 2 - 0 this year. This isn't new either - I am old enough to remember the infamous "Look Out Bart" game played on Thanksgiving Day during the Lombardi era when the Packers were a dominant team and a bad Lions team simply killed them. Frustrating but the Lions do seem to have our number at times.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:01 am

Have to disagree Dobber. I get that there are teams you don't match up well with, there was a period of time there where seattle and SF were nightmare matchups because they could get to Rodgers and GB just couldn't solve Kap/Wilson.

Lions have beat up on an injured GB team the past two years, and this game didn't feature Stafford or many of their other starters. I think this was less about 'this team matches up well against ours' and more of 'our team already marked this as a win'.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:51 am

I think its cute you think the Packers would do better with Boyle. That said Rodgers needs to play more efficiently.

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:06 am

More like Adams and a bunch of 4s, with the exception of Lazard. Add to that AR playing in a totally new offense. I see no physical decline, but I do see a lack of rhythm far too often. I suspect it’s why scripted plays are successful early in games.
They need to expand the script to War and Peace proportions.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:29 am

If you don’t see any physical decline, you should look closer. He’s three years older than the guy who finished that amazing 2016 run. He’s had a broken collarbone, a leg injury, and a concussion since then.

Speaking only for myself, I was not the same guy physically at 40 that I was at 35. Time and gravity always win.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:55 am

As a 38 year old athlete, this makes me sad... I relate to it too well...

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December 31, 2019 at 08:56 am

Is he able to throw long? Check. Can he still scramble for a first down? Check. Is his release faster than any other QB ? Check.
What physical decline to you see, since you look closely?

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December 31, 2019 at 09:24 am

He's not physically superior to the defenses he's trying to beat physically anymore. He needs to win with his mind first, and he's not doing that.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:40 am

And he's a beat slow and can't feel the backside pressure like he use to...

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dobber's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:46 am

I think he feels it. He just can't outrun it like he used to.

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January 04, 2020 at 05:41 am

LaFleur wants him staying in the pocket and delivering. Should see more rollouts and use of the moving pocket in the playoffs. Dial in the wheel route with Jones for the 1:1. Everyone has to sharpen their focus, including the Fans.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:35 am

I agree there are some physical decline, but his arm is still there. I agree with the rhythm and accuracy not there thou. This has been going on for the past few years and not something that just sprung up. Why? is the big question. A lot of assumptions here and really nobody knows more then him. Could it be the yips? Yes, many professional athletes have gone threw it, more so in Golf, but you see it in many sports. Maybe he needs a Sports Phycologist. I'm not one to think he just fell apart and firmly believe he can change this course and hope it's next Sunday!

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December 31, 2019 at 10:05 am

Spot on, Leatherhead, and if you're at all like me you weren't able to recognize and acknowledge that until a few years later. I was still the same guy from the inside looking out. It took an MRI and a stress test on a treadmill to get me to admit distance running was no longer in my best interest. "You have a good knee for cycling", was the way the ortho put it. "The treadmill always wins, Mr, Harris," was the quote from the Tech.

The way Rodgers is wired, the ultra competitiveness (think Michael Jordan's HOF speech) and desire to prove others wrong makes this even more of a challenge. I bristle at the prima donna / diva / arrogant talk. What happens to all of us when we ain't that thing we used to was (as the kids say)? Would his sturggles be more acceptable if he lived in a duplex in Two Rivers, was dating a homely girl from Shawano, and bragged about drinking PBR? ::shrug::

Farve's streak while playing with a mangled thumb hurt the team. HIs larger than life status , at the end of his career in Green Bay, hurt the team. I hope the Packers can help 12 find that guy who played QB against the Vikings two weeks ago. That guy gives us a chance to win.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:56 am

Which is why he really needs to get himself in better shape upper body wise especially. It never gets better with time and you need to stem the tide. Many have done it ,look at Brees. You only have so many years of prime earning potential,so if it was me I would. He wants to play into his 40s so he better start soon.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:35 am

A totally new offense that at times looks a lot like ones we had in the past. 5 wide and throw it..3rd and 2 throw the bomb. Aaron had perfect "field"conditions in Detroit with great pass protection most of the game. At least he will have an excuse if he plays like that outdoors at Lambeau in January. Could have been just a bad game, we'll see.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:57 am

The very fact that he had great protection could point in a direction other than Rodgers. He went through his progressions and often no one was open. Adams is routinely double-teamed, while Allison, MVS, and Graham couldn't get separation if they were covered by a one-legged DB. And when the ball does get to them they can't catch it. Had Gute given Rodgers even a halfway decent #2 receiver like Emmanuel Sanders at the trade deadline, Rodgers would look a lot more like the Rodgers we've seen in the past.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:17 am

I gave you a thumbs up for the vet WR comment, but I'm not sure that Rodgers would look all that much improved. He's been the problem, far more than the WRs. Maybe except GMo, MVS and Graham. haha

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Philarod's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:19 pm

The "Tolstoy" Offense - I like it.

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Razer's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:17 am

To be anything less than grateful for a 13-3 season seems, well, ungrateful. With so many teams sitting on the sidelines or turning over a coaching staff you have to acknowledge our luck and good fortune. We are only one year removed from a similar fate. And yet, many of us can't ignore the gaps in our performance - or - maybe it is just expecting the other shoe to drop. My angst isn't going away after barely beating a 3 win team with no starting QB and half the roster on IR despite what Rodgers or LaFleur gloss-over at the press conference.

I want the team to do well playing fundamentally sound football because when we meet a well-coached, good team, we are going to need all cylinders. Still waiting for this team to put anything near a complete game on the field and we are now going to meet the good teams. Of course, we can always pray for cold weather and hope that makes up for it.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:27 am

Who is Arron Rodgers? Followed by will the real Arron Rodgers stand up? Ok, I probably could tell you to go to wikipedia. And I probably could tell you he is standing up. Arron Rodgers has always been the Knight in shinning armor. He's always set the stage for excellence. He's given us hope, determination, and confidence. The point is don't question his passion, intelligence, ability, and Strength. Rodgers will go through the highs an lows of a athlete. Questions only stop Arron Rodgers from being Arron Rodgers. He's got the packers to the play-offs. A Rookie sure couldn't with these receivers. Arron Rodgers isn't the Question mark. The Question Mark is Pettine and the Defense. Defense win championships. Write about the defense, not Arron Rodgers. He only needs to protect the ball.

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December 31, 2019 at 05:21 pm

Two "A's", one "R".

Aaron.
Not Arron.
The joke is old.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:24 am

I maintain that Rodgers is totally frustrated by the awfulness of the receiver corps and it's reached a level where deep down he just feels screw it! This is not a bad offense; it has a damn good offensive line, a great running back, a top-five WR, and a HOF QB. It also has the worst receiving corps in the NFL. After an entire season, is there anyone left here who still thinks Allison, MVS, and Graham are any good? Allison and MVS rank last of all receivers in the NFL with at least 50 targets. Gute has done an excellent job at improving the defense but at the trade deadline, when it was apparent the Packers had a real chance at the playoffs, he still thought the Packers had the talent at receiver to win. What was obvious to anyone wasn't to him. And in the final game of the regular season, with an important win necessary, MLF still trots Allison out there for over 50 plays. Why aren't Allison and MVS on the bench? Why hasn't there been a single throw to our rookie tight end all year? He's faster than Graham and blocks better, was a 3rd round pick, and yet he barely sniffs the field. Other rookie tight ends have had great years. MLF isn't stupid, he's done an impressive job bringing the team to 13-3, but his continued use of these bums as WRs is mind-boggling, and Rodgers, who is a very smart guy, can't say anything or he'll be chastised by the press and fans for dumping on his receivers. But he knows. He praises Lazard. He praises Kumerow. Even MLF said he'd use Kumerow more. Yet Allison, MVS, and Graham continue to play. They've earned the right to sit. Rodgers missed throws, but somehow he doesn't miss quite as many when throwing to Adams or Lazard. He hasn't lost his skills. He's simply fed up.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:56 am

Johnny Logan,

Not sure I agree with you about Rodgers being frustrated however; I DO agree with you about Rodger's accuracy % when he throws to Adams or Lazard vs MVS, Allison etc.

Regarding why MVS, Allison and Graham keep getting snaps despite dismal stats; recall when Rodgers asked for Lazard to be inserted into a game and recall how Lazard responded?

If you do remember that, ask yourself: WHY did the receivers coach, the OC and MLF have to be asked by Rodgers to insert Lazard? Why didn't these coaches see that Lazard deserved an opportunity and was better at connecting with Rodgers than the others?

In addition, whether you like it or not, Rodgers has declined somewhat. In 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, he was > 65% accurate. This year, he's at 62% and if you look through the data, his long ball and middle of field accuracy is trending down.

Bottom line: Even though Rodgers data is trending downward (whether he's declining or receivers are lower tier or both), Rodgers will NOT ask for Sternberger to be inserted because he loves Graham, has said so many times publicly, and the coaches will respect Rodger's wishes. Therefore, next year, post Graham and Allison, we'll see if Rodgers performance improves.

In the interim, and during this year's playoffs, hopefully Rodgers will connect more with improved accuracy on "move the chains throws" to Adams, Lazard, Jones and Williams and the Defense plays like they did at Minny!

GO, GO PACK!

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December 31, 2019 at 09:09 am

Good response. I only ask this question, do you think Allison, MVS, or Graham are good enough to be on the team next year? Most will answer, no. So why wait? You know they're bad. You're in the playoffs. Ryan Grant was a decent slot receiver in the past. Ervin has shown some potential. The rookie tight end is fast and can block. Work them out over the next two weeks. Give yourself a chance. After a season of awful football by Allison, MVS, and Graham, why would you expect them to miraculously play well against the best teams in football? Rodgers likes Graham. Probably likes Allison and MVS as well. So what? That should have no bearing on what MLF has to decide. Imagine Lombardi putting up with the caliber of play this team has been getting from these guys. They'd have been benched, traded, or released by mid-season. MLF is the one who has to make a play, not Rodgers.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:37 am

No, Allison and Graham are likely gone next year--I completely agree with you on that.

Also agree that MLF and his position coaches should be more like Lombardi ("What the hell is going on out there"?) versus allowing QB1 to "propose" that Graham and Allison get snaps in the game plans.

Finally, agree with you that MLF needs to "make a play" during playoffs.

Therefore, YES! Let's incorporate Ervin's speed, ability to run and catch (jet sweep) and try Grant in the slot if the opportunity makes sense.

GO PACK !!!

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December 31, 2019 at 10:27 am

Very encouraged to see Ervin getting some snaps in packages that take advantage of his speed and ability to play in space.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:45 am

I believe MLF did just that in the last game. Ervin played I believe 17 plays. I think you will see more changes coming in the playoffs. I've been very impressed with MLF intelligence and how he has managed this team.

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December 31, 2019 at 03:15 pm

Part of that was Jamaal Williams being inactive and Aaron Jones getting dinged up. They still don't trust Dexter Williams.

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TXCHEESE's picture

December 31, 2019 at 08:25 am

I think we should be glad this wasn't a playoff game. Hopefully they got the last crappy performance over with before the 2nd season starts. We've all had off days...every putt or drive is off line, or you can't put the ball in the hoop to save your soul. These just happen. You know, he is actually human just like us. They got it done, and really that's all that matters at this point.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:37 am

"Rodgers also had 16 overthrows, which is the record ever since ESPN began tracking ovethrows in 2006.

That cannot happen in the playoffs. The Packers cannot wait for Rodgers and the offense to get its footing"

This has very little to do with the offense. Rodgers simply missed open guys. Sure the man impersonating a TE dropped a good one and Lazard hasn't learned to keep his feet inbounds inbthe Pros yet. But the failings of the offense lies heavy on the shoulders of 12.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:42 am

JJ, many of those passes were contested and I contend that Rogers doesn't trust them to come down with the 50/50 ball and doesn't want to throw an INT, so he errors on the side of caution and throws the ball a bit long.

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December 31, 2019 at 02:26 pm

Some of them.

He didn't throw behind guys to avoid a contested ball. That is just skill erosion and bad footwork.

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December 31, 2019 at 08:38 am

The crazy thing is #12 has receivers for a short route, quick hitting, YAC passing game. Adams, Lazard, Kumerow, even Allison can make plays. Then he has the duo of AJ and Williams, even Ervin is showing some playmaking with quick hitters..

I know ML, Hackett and Getsy were drooling to go deep on the worst pass D in the NFL, but after the early misses....get AR some easy ones to set up his confidence and the deep pass. But they let him sling it. It was not working.

I recall Favre used to often start games spraying the ball all over, missing his targets. With him it seemed like he need a good QB hit or two to wake him up then he was on.

Maybe Rodgers is now like a pitcher who’ when his fastball or curve are off....so have him throw a few change ups...get him rolling or adjust your plan of attack. But I never recalled him being so off on deep balls before.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:44 am

What astounds me is that even after a clearly bad performance, he doesnt own up and put it on his own shoulders and simply say I stunk it up today. What is mystifying is that being the perfectionist that he is ,he still refuses to even acknowledge it.

Its ok Aaron. We have eyes, we would respect him more if he did.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 31, 2019 at 10:36 am

At the top of every field, you have "superchickens." Those that overachieve. Those that will do anything to get ahead. Those that are really damn good at what they do. They're also usually very proud, not shy of sharing how good they are, prone to overexaggerating their abilities and can become toxic to an organization if/when they get frustrated. Bottom line: When they fall down, it's usually a BIG fall.

The vast majority of Rodgers' problem is his ego. We've known this for years. And sadly, only he can really fix it. If he does, a Lombardi or two awaits before he retires - this team is good enough around him to win it now with a League MVP QB, and it will only get better.

If Rodgers doesn't figure it out, he's only going to get worse, and we need to move on. Favre figured it out (for a time) in 07-09. Unfortunately for him, he also let that rage at Ted drive him to do stupid things and he got what he (and the Vikings) utterly deserved in 09 and 10.

I really hope for Aaron's sake that it doesn't take something that drastic for him to look in the mirror.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:03 am

Brees and Brady both had slumps around 35 yrs old. You know what they did? strenghtened their legs to compensate for the weakening of the core muscles AND hired QB guru to get back to a more schooled footwork (to transfer the power of the legs to the throws.)
Aaron is commited to the lower body training (he talked about it las offseason) but he doesn't want to hear anything about his mechanics. He thinks he's fine. So who you want to be? Favre, who was iconic QB that did it his way, but was hard to watch at the end, or humble yourself, and work on your fundamentals to become a successfull older Qb in the NFL?
With his arm and experience, QB1 could dominate the league for a good 4 years if he was humble enough to make some changes in his game. THAT'S the most frustrating part.
Yes the receiving squad is completely below average, but Gute will take care of that , like he did with the defense.But Aaron has to make adjustments.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:19 am

Good thoughts and you're right on especially about Brady. I remember, the Pat's fans wanting him gone when he was around Rodgers age. What a mistake that would've been!

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December 31, 2019 at 10:39 am

"Yes the receiving squad is completely below average, but Gute will take care of that , like he did with the defense.But Aaron has to make adjustments.:"

Perhaps, but the stars aligned for this team this year. Close wins. A mostly healthy roster. A schedule where the interdivisional matchups (AFC West, NFC East) turned out to be pretty favorable.

Start looking ahead...there are hard roster decisions to make and players to replace or resign. The schedule is a first place schedule next year, and it's hard to say that the interdivisional matchups (NFC South, AFC South) will be as favorable. It's hard to believe that this team will be AS healthy in 2020.

I can't help this nagging feeling that 2019 is turning out to be the better opportunity, and not 2020. This team can be much improved next season and not have it show up in wins and losses. It could be that this management team will really be regretting not taking steps to take advantage of how this season set up to make moves to be better.

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December 31, 2019 at 01:02 pm

Wolf regrets not getting Favre more weapons to win championships, hopefully Gutekunst won't have the same regret with Rodgers.

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December 31, 2019 at 02:06 pm

For sure. The team could improve significantly next year and end up like NO playing on wild card weekend. Or like Philly, decimated by injury. Getting a bye week, with an already healthy team, means this team has as good a shot at a championship as we'll ever see in the Rodgers era.

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December 31, 2019 at 03:18 pm

Or like the Rams on the outside looking in.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:17 am

Who is Aaron Rodgers? Who is the Packers defense? Who is the Packers OL?

Rodgers should have have slaughtered the Lions. Really!!! Then why did the defense allow 17 first half points to a 3rd string QB. Until Gallaway went out with a concussion Blough was carving up the Packers defense and they did not appear to have an answer to stop him.
How does a defense allow the Lions to literally run down the field and score an FG with only 20 seconds left in the half.

As for the OL why did we average only 2 yards on 1st down plays against such a poor defensive team?

The first half of the game was a pitiful performance by the entire team, similar to the games in SF and LA. It looked to me like the Packers were mailing it in because they were expecting the Lions to mail it in. It happens. They figured it out in the second half and played to earn their first round bye.

As for who is Rodgers? He is the QB struggling with himself, a new offense, a new play caller, different and ineffective WRs (not including Adams) who for some reason are coming in and out on every play. Yet he still makes enough plays to win the game. Throughout the season he has kept his team alive to fight and win another day. He is surviving through games that most of the other teams in the league would lose. He is letting the defense keep the Packers in games until he finds a way to make the plays to win. Sometimes it's Aaron Jones Jones, sometimes it Adams or Lazard. Sometime it's Rodgers himself running for a key 1st down. Sometimes it's the defense with a key stop or a turnover to seal the win. It's still a team with a first year HC and numerous young players trying to find out who they are.

Who is Aaron Rodgers? He is not the QB who most here will be choosing as their FFL QB in 2020 which is the only reason why so many fans would be so angry with their QB on a 13-3 team. Thanks, Since '61

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December 31, 2019 at 10:17 am

"It looked to me like the Packers were mailing it in because they were expecting the Lions to mail it in. It happens. "

When a team that rides that close to the edge of the knife starts to believe it's clippings after a game like they had on MNF, they're set up to fall hard. Give them credit for having the resilience to play just enough decent football to pull that one out. The Packers of 2017 and 2018 didn't have that. People who get after the coaching staff for some of their personnel use and play calls need to give it credit for putting together a team that wins even when it doesn't bring its A-game.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:55 am

Agree Dobber! New Years cookies for you. Thanks, Since '61

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December 31, 2019 at 03:21 pm

Thanks, '61. I hope you've had a fulfilling and enjoyable holiday!

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December 31, 2019 at 10:24 pm

I have Dobber and I hope that you have had a great holiday season as well. Thanks, Since '61

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December 31, 2019 at 10:27 am

So how long have you been Rodgers agent '61 or does he have pictures of you?

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December 31, 2019 at 10:50 am

heh heh heh heh....

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December 31, 2019 at 11:35 am

Mojo - If Rodgers did have pictures of me they would be pictures of me with my family and/or friends. If the pictures were more recent, (i.e., the last 4-5 years) they would most likely be pictures of me with my grandchildren. In other words nothing noteworthy.

As for my post, it was more of a comment on how much Fantasy leagues in all sports have changed the way people watch sports. I grew up in an era when we routed for our team to win regardless of how the team won or who made key plays. Now, especially over the last 10-15 years with the emergence of fantasy leagues (in every sport) and sports betting I've noticed how that fans watch games for their Fantasy players regardless of whether they are fans of a particular team or not. Most of the younger guys that I have hired over the last 10 years participate in one fantasy league or another. Their focus is much more on individual players, particularly the offensive skill players in football than it is on a team's overall performance.

Look, full disclosure, you have been posting here long enough to know that I have been a huge supporter of Aaron Rodgers from Day One, primarily because he plays smart and doesn't throw interceptions the way Favre did the last several seasons of his career. This season has not been a characteristically, crazy good season that we had become accustomed to prior to 2017. My guess is that even with a stronger receiving corp he will never be the same player again due to injury and age. But then again as I have posted on numerous occasions I'm not expecting the Packers to score a TD on every possession as many others here seem to expect. I'm fine with winning games by a TD or less? Why because they all still count as wins. I'm fine with the defense or the ground game carrying the team. Why? Why not, it worked for Lombardi's Packers for most of the 60's.

Did Rodgers look bad against the Lions? Yes, he did. But so did the defense in the 1st half, especially when Gallaway was still in the game. But we still won the game. Maybe this means that I have green/gold colored glasses. After 58 seasons as a Packers fan I suppose that I do. But I prefer to think of it as staying focused on the big picture, which to me means, win the game hopefully without injuries and get prepared for the next game. One play, one series, one quarter, one game at a time.

Worrying about losing the next game if we play like this again is of no value to me. I don't know nor can I control how we are going to play the next game. Maybe Rodgers plays great and maybe he doesn't. Maybe we win on a punt return or falling on a fumble in the end zone. Maybe we lose that way as well, regardless of how well Rodgers plays. Maybe we win or lose on a terrible officiating call again regardless of how Rodgers or anyone else plays.

I do know that whoever is allegedly coaching Rodgers is not helping him with his footwork. It looks as though he is playing like he thinks that he is going to get hit on every play. Maybe he hears footsteps, maybe he is still affected by his injury, I don't know but I don't see his coaches getting any results with his poor footwork habits.

As a fan I stick with the guys who brought me to the dance. I don't care about FFL results or points spreads because I'm not a gambler. I'm loyal to my guys, that 's why I still insist that the Lombardi Packers are the best football team there has ever been. That's why I still insist that Rodgers has played the QB position as well as if not better than any other QB I have seen. Not the last few seasons, no, but his overall body of work yes. Especially during the 2010-2011 19-0 run, his 2014 MVP season and 2016 8-0 run. Do I expect that forever, no.
Has he looked bad at times this season, yes. Are the Packers 13-3 this season yes! Can we still win with Rodgers, yes. That's where I'm coming from. Not an agent and no pictures unless you like to see an older guy with his adorable grandchildren and my beautiful wife of 34+ years. Thanks, Since '61

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December 31, 2019 at 05:21 pm

Great reply. Happy New Year to you and your family!

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December 31, 2019 at 10:16 pm

I appreciate the feedback Philarod. A happy, healthy and safe New Year to you and your family as well!
Thanks, Since '61

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January 01, 2020 at 11:41 am

For what it's worth, '61, I don't pay too close of attention to the stat sheet- I don't play fantasy football, never have.

I watch what the QB controls. That's timing, decisions, movement in the pocket, and ball placement.

Timing, decisions, ball placement have all been sub par for far too much of 2019 from my observations.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:33 am

That's a good point about Gollaway; had he not left the game, the Packers might not have been able to catch up and win. But I really don't think we were "mailing it in". The interior of the Lions' OL played very well, and Golladay is an excellent receiver who was on his way to a big game before he left. Also, that trick play touchdown was executed to perfection. So I give the Lions a lot of credit for their effort, but as usual, they were unable to finish.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:31 am

Wow!
Hats off to Nick Perry, he called it like it is, like always. And congrats on all the thumbs up Nick! I can't figure out where they all came from, many of the replies I've read are filled with whipped cream and gooey with that same sugar coating we've seen here all season.
Rodgers had his worst year EVER as a so-called elite quarterback, and anyone who watched the games without some kind of rose colored glasses saw exactly what I'm saying. You cannot continue to blame some young receiver when the ball flies 3 yards over his head or a half yard behind him. Call it what you like, or call it what it is, Rodgers had a lousy year. I'm just hoping LaFleur has seen what we've seen and has the guts to bench Rodgers on one of these days when he can't hit a pig in the a$$ with a snow shovel. Maybe an attitude adjustment would help, we're stuck with the contract.
There's also no question the defense needs some serious help, and you can blame them all you like, but the fact is that GB's D gave up less points per game (19.56) than only 8 other teams despite they're atrocious DB play, and the 13 wins are largely the result of that defense keeping us in games. At least they've shown SOME flashes!
If Rodgers continues his lousy play into the playoffs we'll very soon be saying "wait till next year" once again, as many here seem all too content to do.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:31 am

I watch a lot of football , I have the Sunday ticket, Sunday I saw Carr , Brady and others take long shots on third down and miss it’s not just Rodgers , I think it’s still a learning curve with a mix of receivers remember for years he had Jordy, Cobb, JEmnings, J Jones and others for a few seasons, now it’s Adams and ? Some of those overthrows Sunday were just uncertainty on belalf of Rodgers and the receivers.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:32 am

Long shots on 3rd down are not necessarily bad gambles. Lots of teams do it. A completion is a win. A DPI call is a win. Many times a team is fishing for those. An interception is a punt.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:31 am

It's all in the numbers. He can make some long throws but missing more than ever. Some long, some short, some behind. It's that 'touch' of greatness that he has lost. You can't teach how to throw a ball 1 yard less on a 30 yd throw. That is a feel. He just is not elite anymore. It is indeed sad but inevitable.

All that could be forgiven and he could still lead Packers to victory with mostly shorter throws that are available - ala Brady. But he seems to be so damn arrogant and doesn't want to accept it. That is what is unforgivable. Just as it was unforgivable to continue to let MM continue his stale offense. Everyone can see what's happening - except those whose egos are blinding them.

So we wait anxiously to see what will MLF/Gute will/can do about it.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:56 am

I think I accidentally gave you 2 thumbs up Pacman, but that's OK, you nailed it.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:24 am

Appreciate it but you can't give 2 thumbs up. On second click, it removes the first one you gave. Makes sense not to be able to pile them on.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:59 am

Ironically the offense was better when Adams was out hurt. I suppose it necessitated creativity with the use of multiple players and positions. I'd like to go back to that while adding Davante at WR.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:27 am

Wow A lot of hate herefor Rodgers I guess before the season started all the haters here knew the Packers would be the number 2 seed in the NFC this with a new coach , new schemes and unproven receivers, I was hoping for an above 500 record which would have made me feel the Pack was trending in the right direction, but I guess others here wanted 16 and 0 and score 50 in every game. You know what the Packers are 13 and 3 because Rodgers made plays even when Adams was out hurt. Be happy where we are with the youngest team in the NFL and will only get better . Happy new year, !

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December 31, 2019 at 10:41 am

Not hate Lp, just concern. We all love the 13-3 record and the success the Pack has had this year, but it is also hard to argue that Rodgers hasn't declined a bit. Hopefully he sees the same light Brees and Brady did and adjusts his mechanics to reflect his age. If he does, we could have him for another 5 very successful years; if he doesn't the Pack will need a new QB sooner than later. Happy New Year to you!

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edp1959's picture

December 31, 2019 at 05:58 pm

Not saying you said it but some calling #12 trash and worse on here, yeah that’s hate.

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January 01, 2020 at 12:04 pm

I said it.
I meant it.

It's not blind hatred.
It's informed hatred.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:09 am

Many fans acknowledge the obvious and hope the team fixes it. Some wait until it is too late. I've been worried about this for the last couple years but the rest of the team was worse and needed more attention. Either AR somehow gets back to form or you will be agreeing with us soon enough.

We are all just arm chair coaches having some degree of fun. I'd bet we are all thrilled at 13-3 and having shot at the SB. Does that mean we should just be happy when they play dead against the Rams or 49ers or the first half against the Lions.

We can forgive anything the Packers do, except when someone's ego affects the team. And management is like that too. Just ask Bostick and Montgomery.

Holmgren had a problem with Favre. We don't know if MLF has a problem with AR or not. We will see what happens in a couple weeks.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:45 am

Some on here are only happy when they can trash Rodgers. They turn chickentihs and disappear when they can't bitch.

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January 01, 2020 at 12:18 pm

I know you're not talking about me.

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December 31, 2019 at 10:48 am

Rodgers had the biggest ELO performance drop when comparing 1st half of season to second half, as detailed at fivethirtyeight. The completion rate isn't a lie.

If the packers are going to be successful in the playoffs, the defense needs to carry the team, because it's unlikely that the offense will score huge, and Rodgers needs to realize that he isn't the "guy" any more. The offense is more about Jones. He needs to stop wasting so many plays on the long ball. It completely stagnates the offense.

He is 36 years old. His football intelligence is awesome, but he can't stop grabbing candy (long passes with low chance of success) from the candy bowl. No more "Hero Ball" as Nagler(?) called it in an article here.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:05 am

You mean like the defense carried them at Detroit?

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December 31, 2019 at 11:42 am

Can't wait to face another Blough level QB in the playoffs

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December 31, 2019 at 12:46 pm

I am not saying it's possible. The only way they win in the playoffs this year is with tough defense and mistake free offense. The offense usually scores in the 20s with an average of 23.5 ppg. Pretty much middle of the road ranked offense. The defense is at 19.6 ppg allowed (9th), and middle of the road in a lot of other categories. That's a pretty thin margin.

3 out of 4 of their highest scoring games (vs. Raiders (42), Cowboys (34), and Chiefs (31)) came when Adams was out and Rodgers was forced to use the RBs more, and a shorter passing game. I am not saying that they didn't hit long passes in those games. If you look at the stats you will see that they were highly successful throwing short passes (< 10 yards), which opened up the longer passes.

If Rodgers goes into the playoffs and dedicates one down every series to a bad long pass like in the Detroit game, then the packers are toast.

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January 01, 2020 at 12:22 pm

Read Quojo's comment below..

Top 10 ranked defense in points allowed (the most important defensive stat.)

He's also spot on about the scoring. When Rodgers puts the Adams blinders on and starts running the hero ball show, the offense sputters. When he runs the offense through Aaron Jones and taking what the defense allows, we march, find shot plays, and score.

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January 01, 2020 at 12:32 pm

Just wanted to take a second to wish Peace, love and happiness to everyone in 2020!

...Just kidding, it was a double post

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December 31, 2019 at 10:52 am

Rodgers was playing like he's the oldest QB in the league until Brady against Miami this past Sunday where Brady by age and play reclaimed that honor or dishonor depending on the color of the glasses one is wearing.

The optimist and realist, regardless of extreme, are undoubtedly scratching their heads in wonder as to what is wrong with Rodgers in private.

I said in preseason and afterwards that the Packers need to make their plans for replacing Rodgers and do whatever is necessary in 2021 to draft Trevor Lawrence. I don't care how many #1's it takes,especially since drafting #1's hasn't been a forte of GB, and secure who at this moment is the likely QB to get the trifecta HOF QB to continue the already unprecedented luck to date.

We can all blame the talent of the WR's or other factors to a delight of satisfaction, but Rodgers is declining and though it isn't a falling off the cliff manor he is still declining and plans need to be made and exercised before we see the Packers trotting out a much worse version of Brady without a BB or Daniels to assist him.

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splitpea1's picture

December 31, 2019 at 11:23 am

We'll probably have to go 1-15 for an opportunity to draft Lawrence.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:49 am

If Rodgers continues his drop off in play, if the injury bug hurts the defense, if better WR's aren't brought in by draft or FA, if the OL takes that small step backwards then a 3-4 win season isn't far off from a strong possibility. That with not being afraid to trade draft picks can get it done.

In all honesty, there are at least another 4-6 losses that can be on this seasons record. So, regression and further failings to improve the team in areas that have been allowed to drop and denied about it, this same team next year can be ripe for a 3-4 win max and set all in motion.

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December 31, 2019 at 12:08 pm

That's a lot of "ifs" leading to a "possibility".

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December 31, 2019 at 12:30 pm

Using 'if' is above the norm here at CHTV and especially those who dwell in the land of blind optimism.
Had I simply stated that had GB suffered any severe loss on defense as in a some other years, this team would most assuredly be a 4-6 win team this season and fit the right into the slot I talk about next season.

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December 31, 2019 at 01:31 pm

Very much in the realm of possible. We all saw this team collapse after leading the division the past couple of years with the wave of injuries hitting both the secondary and offensive line. a And the O line is still not completely recovered with both tackles playing thru last years injuries.

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December 31, 2019 at 04:16 pm

The worst part is Rodgers doesn't seem to recognize that he is in decline. He continues to play pretty much like he always has, but without the legs or accuracy.

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December 31, 2019 at 05:34 pm

Yes to all that except Trevor Lawrence.
Dream about hitting the Powerball. Same chance.
Have to go 1-15 next year & Brett Hundley & Scott Tolzien aren't here anymore.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:02 am

I think Aaron Rodgers is now a QB who needs to get in a rhythm with short passes. I say now, but I've always felt that. Before his "Run the Table" quote I said the same thing and they, coincidentally, began doing that and began to win. Why was the Packers offense winning more effectively while Adams was out? -Short passes to the RBs'. Someone above mentioned that Brett Favre usually needed to get hit once or twice to get into form (he almost always overthrew his receivers early because of his pumped up adrenaline) and I've always felt that Rodgers needed to "find a rhythm" with shorter passes to get "hot". I think the worst thing that could of happened in the Lions game was for him to actually hit Graham on that longer first play (well, and Jimmy dropping it) because QB1 felt confident he could hit the long ball and he was way off target the rest of the game on the longer throws. IMHO The one thing MLF needs to do with this offense is get more up tempo with Rodgers to get him going. Maybe that's not possible. Every time I see Rodgers in the huddle he's staring at the plays on his sleeve. Supposedly, the verbiage is much longer for play calls under MLF and you have to wonder if Rodgers is really having trouble getting this new offense down. Without the comfort factor of 13 years in the same offense I think his throwing is being affected by his taking longer to process the new playbook. He's been -OFF- most of the year. Just my two cents.

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December 31, 2019 at 11:56 am

I get the frustration with Aaron Rodgers. He clearly has struggled with his accuracy. Sometimes (and we don’t really know if it’s true) it looks like he checks into some long pass plays that just have not connected. All that being said some of the expert opinions are way over the top. He still threw for over 4,000 yards with only what 3 interceptions? The team is still 13-3. 13-3! I find that a good number of people who don’t like Rodgers think he is “arrogant”. Is he “arrogant”? Many of the great athletes are. That’s a fact. I can start with Reggie Jackson, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, Tom Seaver, the list goes on and on. I could care less.

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December 31, 2019 at 12:07 pm

Reggie Jackson, Tom Seaver - love it!

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December 31, 2019 at 01:25 pm

LOL. Flashing back to my youth. But, it’s absolutely true. Watch some of the old tape of those guys and things they said. However, they backed it up. Both Hall of Famers.

Many more current examples. Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Richard Sherman, Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Brett Favre on and on. Yet people confuse arrogance with shall we say supreme confidence. Some guys are Bart Starr and others are Aaron Rodgers.

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December 31, 2019 at 05:39 pm

Cockiness is ok.
NOT TAKING BLAME when it's a shitty pass time & time again, is not ok.
You mentioned Brady. That's been a key to his success: great leadership. He will stand up there after a game at the podium & put blame on himself even if he had a great game.
Our guy has shitty games & tries to say the guys didn't come down with balls. And he overthrows a wide open Jones & pouts on the bench "dumb effing call".

Not a great leader.

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December 31, 2019 at 02:13 pm

So after reading 120 comments I'll give my two cents worth.

I think pretty much everybody is right to some extent.

1. Rodgers has a big ego (most pro athletes do). It's one of the reasons he's been so successful.

2. Rodgers needs better receivers (a lot better). There's a reason guys are UDFA's or not pursued by other teams.

3. Rodgers needs to improve his mechanics (he's learned some bad habits trying to compensate for injuries the last few years). It's hard to see deficiencies in yourself, he may need to help realizing this.

4. Rodgers is struggling a bit learning a new offense (after spending over 10 years in the last one). A pro QB just doesn't have to know his own job, he needs to know the job of everyone else on offense.

5. Even with all the issues above Rodgers is still one of the best QB's in the NFL.

6. With all the issues above the Packers need to start thinking about the future at the QB position.

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December 31, 2019 at 02:11 pm

well said. worth at least three cents :)

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December 31, 2019 at 02:13 pm

Love the executive summary Lare. Can't argue with anything that you said that others said. Have a great new year.

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December 31, 2019 at 03:04 pm

Is he really "one of the best QBs in the NFL" right now? I'd say no way in hell.

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January 01, 2020 at 04:48 am

-- one of the best how many?
Remember that these guys aren't playing golf out there.
Present value, I would say that, in some order, LJ, Wilson, Mahomes, Brees, Watson and (sounds weird but) Tannehill had better seasons. Perhaps Wentz as well, when you look at how ravaged the Eagles team was. I guess you can add Garropalo.

So in an "off year" for him, he may have been about 8th best this year. That said, he still had some brilliant games when he carried us, and we take for granted when he makes plays that only a couple other guys (Mahomes, sometimes Wentz, Wilson. or Watson) could possibly execute.

This past week, his most inexcusable throw was probably the overthrow to a wide-open AJ on the right sideline that was an easy 6 after he got out on the edge. There were a couple others that seemed to be relatively easy throws, certainly for AR. Many were not nearly as bad as portrayed and then were other plays to be made by his targets (even Adams), not only the Graham drop to start the game.

Some people don't realize that on most of his throws that he is throwing to spots as plays are still developing, so when receivers are not there, it looks worse than it is.

Going forward, if I could pick one QB to lead my team, present value, for one year, he'd still be in my top 5. This, after being "Top 1" for about 9 of his preceding 11 years.

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December 31, 2019 at 04:13 pm

Looks like Dash is back.

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December 31, 2019 at 04:55 pm

I would love to see us start our playoff game with the no huddle. Hit some short, quick passes and let Rodgers get in a rhythm. Our opponent would definitely not be expecting it. If he gets hot, he’s unstoppable. Or just keep doing what we’re doing. I mean, we’re 13-3. It just doesn’t feel like it.

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December 31, 2019 at 05:38 pm

Rodgers used to play focused and with a chip on his shoulder, but no more. Too many seasons of stale McCarthy offenses, along with two shattered clavicles, have taken their toll. The Pack's record this year has more to do with hideously good fortune on the field and in the training room than team performance. As one writer put it:

What does this team do well? It isn't great at passing the ball, and the defense is prone to long stretches of ineptitude. The only hope is Aaron Rodgers going Super Saiyan and playing like the elite quarterback he used to be. Yes, you read that right. Rodgers has missed too many throws and is coming off arguably his worst performance of the season in Week 17. He isn't what he used to be. At least not consistently. And if Rodgers isn't performing at an elite level, I don't think it's too hot of a take to say that Green Bay might be the worst 13-3 team in NFL history.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 01, 2020 at 02:35 pm

What does this team do well?

We win the turnover battle and kick ass in the red zone on both sides of the ball. O. We execute.

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nostradanus's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:33 pm

Gonna be a bunch o’ Packers fans crying about the golden years of the Favre/Rodgers era.
Careful what you wish for haters.
Aaron Rogers on a bad day still wins games that most wouldn’t.
I am thrilled we are in the tournament
Go Pack
That is all.....

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Oppy's picture

January 01, 2020 at 02:16 pm

Rodgers hurts this offense more than he helps it.

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Jaybo37's picture

December 31, 2019 at 06:51 pm

One question to think about. Would you trade
Rodgers to Cincinnati for the number one pick? I would instantly

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SterlingSharpe's picture

December 31, 2019 at 07:04 pm

Thing is, Burrow has about a 10% chance if becoming good. 10% chance if becoming real good.
1% chance if becoming elite.

50-60% chance of becoming a bust...... but he's about 16 years younger so if we like him....

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December 31, 2019 at 08:28 pm

Oh my GAWD. I wonder, if in the history of the NFL, any 13-game winning team had as many salty fans as do these 2019 Packers. Beginning of the season, no one....NO ONE thought this team would be in the position they are in. You people crack me up. "um yeah....they are 13-3...but um...Aaron didn't do it right...um."
Geez, lighten up...enjoy the ride. If they do win it all, you will look back and realize you missed a miracle by being too busy complaining. Happy New Year.

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December 31, 2019 at 09:52 pm

Like I overreached with my wife the Packers def better than I thought this year. Congratulations on #2 seed in NFC. Rodgers head has had his head up his ass lately and he didn’t “suddenly” suck. He’s been trending to suck for last few years and always an excuse other than reality. He still has it in him, but needs to be patient and understand he is part of a team. No man stands alone - not even Rodgers. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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January 01, 2020 at 12:00 am

If only he could use the word "I" when talking about his mistakes..... Not a real leader. Hides behind his hubris.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

January 01, 2020 at 07:29 am

Happy 2020 y'all!
Let's get hot & rip off a 3-game HOT streak!
Finish it off in February!

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Leatherhead's picture

January 01, 2020 at 02:33 pm

Dobber, I think Rodgers has adapted to the new reality and many fans have not.

In the past, 5 talented receivers would run isolation routes and Rodgers would decide where to go with the ball based on pre-snap reads and matchups. He was excellent at extending plays .

But he got broken in 2017, and again in 2018 with a season long leg injury.

Now, receivers run routes to get a guy open, and if the guy doesn’t get open, Rodgers throws it away rather than extend the play. Line up and run another play, or punt, but don’t have your QB take a bunch of punishment.

There is no path to victory if we do not have a healthy Aaron Rodgers in the lineup.

That is the reality for the Packers, so when Rodgers protects the ball and manages wins, I like that. Throw less, win more.

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January 03, 2020 at 06:23 am

Rodgers has good receivers. They did well when Adams was side lined due to injury. So what happened when Adams returned? I don't think the other receivers all of a sudden lost the skills they possessed when Adams was not on the field. It has to do with spreading the wealth and throwing to the open receiver. And taking what the defense gives you. Not throwing 30 or 40 yards down field on 3rd and short. It's not bad receivers, it's bad choices. The talent is there. It worked to perfection when Adams was side lined. It will work again.

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