Cory's Corner: The Packers Owe Rodgers One Thing

Trading Aaron Rodgers isn't personal. It's business. The Packers believed that he couldn't deliver the big win for the Packers anymore. 

The Packers owe Aaron Rodgers one thing.

And that one thing is a celebration when they put his No. 12 in the Lambeau Field Ring of Honor. 

I’ve heard so many people say that the Packers owe Rodgers plenty. And frankly, that’s wrong. The Packers have to worry about the Packers. Their sole focus should be to put a winning product on the field. 

Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst doesn’t have faith that Rodgers can get the Packers to the Promised Land, so why hang on to a guy that is owed $60 million? 

For decisions like these, you have to go back to Bill Belichick. His philosophy has always been to get rid of players before it’s too late. You don’t want to end up paying a player an overvalued contract in a salary cap sport. 

Basically, the Packers have to worry about the Packers. And frankly, that’s all they should ever have to worry about. The moment you mix personal feelings with a results-driven sport, you’re going to end up disappointed. 

I’m still going to say that Rodgers was the best passer I’ve ever seen. The wizardry he showcased for 18 years as a Packer was nothing short of remarkable. From Hail Marys to throwing darts into tight windows while rolling to his left.

I hate comparing quarterbacks with their win-loss record but Rodgers’ playoff record was 11-10. He was 5-4 at Lambeau Field. Remember when the Packers used to be automatic in the playoffs at home? Teams would go there in the bitter January cold and it seemed like it was a foregone conclusion. 

As I watched the 2021 NFC Divisional Round Playoffin the bitter cold, that had a real feel temperature of 1 degree, it just didn’t look like Rodgers wanted to be there. He looked cold and he looked miserable. But most importantly, he looked like Brett Favre in the 2007 NFC Championship Game. 

Now I don’t think the Packers are going to suddenly melt into an abyss of awfulness. Last year proved that this is a running team and the offense needs to run motion so that the young receivers can consistently get open. Obviously, I still don’t know how good Jordan Love really is, but I think if the Packers keep defenses guessing with multiple versatile threats, an immense amount of pressure is going to cascade off his shoulders. 

So you can be mad or sad about the Rodgers decision. But I was happy with how Rodgers handled things by saying the word gratitude about a half-dozen times and I’m also happy that the Packers knew when to say when. Both things can be true. 

I will not be surprised one bit if Rodgers lights the world on fire by throwing for 30 touchdowns and leads the Jets to their first playoff berth since 2010. He has a mountain-sized chip on his shoulder — the same chip that has been fueling him since he had steam coming out of his ears in the green room of the 2005 NFL Draft.

The problem is, Rodgers mentioned that he was 90 percent going to retire before going into his darkness retreat. The Packers wanted to get off this merry-go-round. If that’s true, what exactly are the Jets trading for? How many assets are they willing to part with if they aren’t even sure they can get two years out of him?

But this is all about leverage. The Jets haven’t had a quarterback of Rodgers’ caliber since Joe Namath — and he last played for the Jets in 1976. The Jets aren’t signing Allen Lazard unless No. 12 was coming too. The Jets might have one of the best receiving corps in the league and they just added a very good No. 3 receiver that isn’t afraid to block. 

The Packers probably will not get New York’s No. 13 pick in this year’s draft but that doesn’t mean that they can’t get a first rounder in 2024.

This wasn’t personal. It was business. Rodgers got his legacy contract from Green Bay last March and now with a huge $58.3 million balloon payment due before the season, it just didn’t make sense with the amount of future uncertainty. 

The Packers owe Rodgers one thing. And that’s a ceremony at halftime for the Ring of Honor. 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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HolyPack's picture

March 18, 2023 at 06:44 am

Summed up nicely. It’s really that simple. It’s been a great ride with Rogers, but he cannot win big games - even at Lambeau.

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T7Steve's picture

March 18, 2023 at 06:49 am

"Basically, the Packers have to worry about the Packers. And frankly, that’s all they should ever have to worry about. The moment you mix personal feelings with a results-driven sport, you’re going to end up disappointed. "

Cory, this sport and really any work environment IS a mix of personal feelings. After 20 years there're are all sorts of strong feelings.

The Packers NEED to take care of business. I don't feel they've done a very good job of it for the last couple years. I think some people are trying their best while others are letting (or did let) their personal feeling run things.

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gmeyers1's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:24 am

Rodgers will probably do well in New York. He still has the skills & once again the desire to do what's necessary to get the job done. The ill will between him & the front office may have taken the edge off in Green Bay. That also effects the rest of the locker room as well. There can't help but be some divisiveness when one player is sucking up all of the oxygen. The players who are following him to New york, or just jumping ship because he's gone are likely part of the problem regardless of the talent some of them might have. So a new attitude is badly needed team wide. We'll see how it goes & who emerges to cross the t's & dots the i's.

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Spawny's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:33 am

G spot not completely right on,

"One person sucking up all the oxygen in the room."

First this is fairly impossible. And if anyone is sucking up the oxygen it is Murphy or Gutekunst. Both are worn out accordions.

Remember the song 'Gutey has a squeeze box and plays it all night long'?

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dobber's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:33 am

Gutey is remarkably quiet on most fronts. He could easily take up more room on the stage...and he doesn't.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:46 am

No doubt, a Zen Master.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:45 am

You talking about Murphy, or Gutedkunst? Looking for objectivity from the Choir.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:01 am

Well, Cory, make up your mind.

Is “the one thing,” we owe Aaron Rodgers a “celebration” or a “ceremony?”

They’re two very different things.

One is fun. Hooting. Hollering. Beer. Wine. Whiskey. Women. Dancing. Loud. Music. Drinks with ice in them. Laughing. Stories. Laughing harder. Smoking things. Disco balls. Food & beverage stained clothes the next morning, if you can find your clothes… Maybe an Uber ride or three. A lost debit card… a totally new friend… drooling on a pillow. Guessing names.

The other is not fun. Pomp. Circumstance. A line of velvet clad trumpeters…Uncomfortable chairs. Speeches. Microphone feedback. Stand up. Sit down. Applaud. Stand up again. Maybe a rubbery chicken cordon bleu sit down dinner you have to choke down, sitting next to someone who’s never tried it before… “What… kinda of meat… is this???!!!” A poorly designed program handout you feel obliged to carry around half the night. Don’t bring it with you, because you’ll just throw it away the next morning… and, if you don’t? You’ll probably throw it away two or three years later…

“WTF??? Why am I saving this?”

LOL

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:49 am

I love how you write!

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:53 pm

I was just having fun. Clearly...! Thank you, Knock!!!

Why are people so up tight they can't have fun with something like that? Oh, well. It is the offseason...

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Yooper56's picture

March 19, 2023 at 12:20 am

I m not sure what you are actually trying to say, but I agree it was interesting to read,

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LayingTheLawe's picture

March 19, 2023 at 10:32 pm

Is there a combination of the two?

A cerebration?

Pomp and circumstance but with good food, amazing music, hot men too drunk to remember my name in the morning and a really cool program I frame on my wall. Oh and velvet clad trumpeters. I like the velvet clad trumpeters, those dudes can party!

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:08 am

I'm hoping the Packers DO end up with the Jets pick #13...but the Jets get Green Bay's #15!
The Packers also get the Jets second-round pick this year and a conditional pick next year (the Jets first-rounder if they make the playoffs, a second if they don't, but Rodgers starts in ten games).

I think that would be a fair trade.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:31 am

Why would you want to give away #15?

btw, nothing against you PEO, just addressing this sentiment that pervades.

C’mon, my friends. Don’t give into the garbage flying around out there devaluing the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers.

That’s right. He’s still a Packer player.

Of course the Jets will put an insane lowball offer out publicly to get people - millions of people in this case, to buy into that paltry figure as somehow being acceptable, as a starting point.

Hell no. Why would we give Aaron Rodgers away, with the market firmly established as 2 R1s as a minimum?

Who exactly is characterizing this as for just one year? The Jets. They need to pull their heads out of their asses, and pony up fair market value.

Stafford came with a $43M cap hit for the Rams, PLUS another $20+M dead cap in giving DET Goff. A QB who led the Rams previously to a Super Bowl?

Packer fans shouldn’t be buying their BS lowball offerings as being anywhere close to legit. Neither should Jets fans.

It’s early, and that’s how negotiations start in anything. Jets come in low. Packers start high.

GB has a ton of leverage here.

Let’s add, Woody is waking up to the realities of his wanting “plug & play” players, the best he can get.

They come at a price.

I see AR & DB walking out the door to NYJ, and 2023’s #13, 2024’s R1 and 2025’s R1 coming to GB in return for both players.

How much is David Bakhtiari worth on the open market?

The Jets will have to cough up that #13, at a minimum, outright, for Rodgers alone.

PFF states AR is worth around what DEN paid for Russell Wilson in the open market in discussing trade with Jets.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-realistic-trade-value-landing-spots-quarter...

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:16 am

Here's the thing, GG, I think the Jets would be nuts to give up pick 13 plus a #1 next year for Rodgers. A year ago? Maybe, and admittedly, I am regularly ASTOUNDED at what teams will pay for a chance at a QB, whether vet or high draft pick. That said, I'd try to get two firsts as well; I just don't think that will happen. The Jets would be better off trading up for pick #2 or 3.
Not that the Packers WON'T get two #1s, I just don't think that will happen, especially when one is the #13 pick.
Now, if Bakh is part of the trade, that's a whole different situation; I'd absolutely expect two number ones plus more.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:41 am

Yeah, I get it, based upon AR's 2022 season.

There's no telling what he's going to do with all the pieces around him, and a Top 5 Defense, and there's no telling how long he will ride that in NY.

???

NYJ characterizing this in the press everywhere as a 1 year deal can shove that straight... up... the alley. At some point, their fans know all of this, and will demand the Jets come to their senses to offer the Packers fair trade value.

I don't buy for one second this is just a one year thing.

You're already starting to see national media analysts like ESPN's Chris Canty saying vociferously that AR is worth WAY more. That was yesterday morning... and, there is another month and a half left where the pressure to close a deal with GB only grows greater.

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DID ANYONE watch/listen to Nags' interview yesterday with NY media? Nags gets it. The Packers are not going to give Aaron Rodgers away. Check it out. Nags carried the G!
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And, yes, I am 100% talking about Bak being a part of the deal. AR himself said he made the decision last Friday to play for the Jets, which happens to be the same day DBak signed his super trade friendly restructured deal.

Rodgers isn't going to go to NY without Bak. We all know that to be true.

I didn't write that PFF article. They are talking DEN's Russell Wilson deal as being current trade value for AR, and possibly more... No kidding.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:37 am

Tough to get a real sense of current value, but I'm trying my best to find recent deals...

• TB's 30 year old LT Donovan Smith has a projected trade value of a 2023 R3. He's nowhere near as good as David Bakhtiari.

• in 2021 Baltimore received #31, 94 and 136, plus a 2022 R5 from KC for LT Orlando Brown, BAL's #58 and a 2022 R6.

• In 2019 SF "had a high draft pick and a pretty good player on the table," with WAS, who turned them down, according to Trent Williams, himself. He wouldn't disclose, but said Snyder had a rift with Kyle Shanahan. In 2020 during the draft, they eventually agreed to trade Williams to SF for a 2020 R5 and a 2021 R3.

That was a highly strained relationship between Williams and WAS as well. For years.

• In 2019 HOU acquired LT Laremy Tunsil and WR Kenny Stills from MIA in exchange for R1s in 2020 and 2021, a 2021 R2 and players

Why did I bother looking this up? Because VALUE is determined by what the market bears.

David Bakhtiari is the best LT in the NFL. Trading him, as AR would like, to the Jets requires a knowledge of recent trades for Top NFL LTs, and what those trade pieces add up to be. There's your market value.

Very simple. PFF understands that per the link shared on determining Aaron Rodgers’ own market value.

This is good stuff for us Packers fans to know, if this trade between the Jets & Packers turns out to be the "blockbuster," per previous reports.

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Tekraut17's picture

March 19, 2023 at 10:18 am

I just don't see GB trading Bak when they essentially have a rookie QB that needs extra protection. I do see the trade taking time as they rework AR's contract and maybe mix in a WR from the Jets along with picks. I think GB is hoping the Jets agree to take on some of the $ burden in future years (wishful thinking). This is definitely at least a 2 year deal otherwise what's the point.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:08 pm

Exactly.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:48 am

That is an optimistic projection. We will see...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:01 pm

Me....#13 this year with Elijah Moore, and conditional 1st or 2nd round picks in 2024, and 2025 based on performance for Rodgers, and Jets with Rodgers as QB.

Jets haven't even made the playoffs in a dozen or more years, and the only SB back in early 70's to mid 70's combined with the Jets oozing talent both on offense & defense. The only thing holding them back is no QB.

With the Jets talent my best guess Rodgers is still playing in 2025. In his own words retirement scares him.

While I just want Rodgers off the team, frankly anything less than I suggest will be a huge dissapointment. My hope is another team enters into the trade conversation creating holy hell confusion and angst forcing Jets to step up. Right now Jets have zero options for quality QB to lead such a talented team.

Just going to sit back and enjoy how this all plays out. Hang in there Gutey!

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:11 am

Just another Article that romanticizes Rodgers Leaving.
What Vomit- A description in an idealized or unrealistic fashion.
To make (something) seem better or more appealing than it really is.
Yes they do owe him; because the product was never Focused on.
His Leaving was. And Who has faith in Brian Gutekunst? I Don't.
As far as getting rid of players. Rodgers isn’t an ordinary player.
He’s the greatest Packer of all -time. So just stop any comparisons.
I can't believe you have faith in Barry, over Love. - (per comments)
I saw Rodgers class act, compared to the FO.
The problem isn’t what Rodgers can do or says.
It was the quality of the Roster. It was personal -
When the FO says Don’t be a Problem for a new coach.
It’s the main statement that they did not want Rodgers
to be the greatest packer of all Time.
It also shows how dysfunctional the power
structure has been since 2010.

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DanL's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:31 am

The greatest Packer player of all time for me is Bart Starr. Brett and Aaron, as great as they were did not surpass. Lombardi is the greatest Packer of all time.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:22 pm

Who is that stubborn I suppose to dislike this!. It's not really wrong.
Hutson probably the only greater Packer.

Wow.

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Spawny's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:45 am

Bravo Stockholder. Aaron Rodgers is an intelligent superstar. For the rest of you dimrods, imagine Rodgers playing for Lombardi. Or imagine Rodgers playing with a defense anchored by #66.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:51 am

Post 2015 Rodgers would have been on thin ice with Vince Lombardi, and certainly by 2017 Lombardi would have sent Rodgers packing.

Also, file this under irony: the word you're looking for is 'nimrod'.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:03 am

Wrong!!! Lombardi knew talent.
And Rodgers wouldn't have had to say a word.
The nimrod is Gutey.
Dumping the greatest QB in GB History.
If you grew up in the 60s..
You had Respect for everyone.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:19 am

Rodgers lack of respect is exactly why Lombardi wouldn't have tolerated him.
Lombardi held players to high standards, regardless of talent.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:45 am

Yes, it’s ridiculous to argue that Lombardi and Rodgers would have coexisted. Most likely Lombardi would have prevented Rodgers from developing such notions, but if he had, one would have gone and fast. SH would have canned Lombardi probably.

“There is only one kind of discipline, and that is the perfect discipline. As a leader, you must enforce and maintain that discipline; otherwise, you will fail at your job.”

“No leader, however great, can long continue unless he wins battles. The battle decides all.”

“Leadership rests not only on outstanding ability. It also rests on commitment, loyalty and pride. It rests on followers who are ready to accept guidance. Leadership is the ability to direct people and - more important - to have those people accept that direction.”

Vince Lombardi

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:02 am

Not only did Aaron become.. less than open to accepting direction, but Rodgers was never much of a leader of men.

Rodgers was by far a better thrower of the football than Starr and even Favre, but he couldn't hold a candle to either in terms of leadership.

There's a reason why guys also revert to statements like "Aaron leads by example on the field." That translates loosely to Aaron's not really a great leader, but he's a great player and he'll hold any perceived mistake you make against you for a long time.

All anyone has to do is go back and find interviews where guys like Driver and Woodson are asked about Rodgers' being the leader of the team. They get looks on their faces, they avert their eyes for a moment, then they talk about Rodgers' talent on the field and how he leads with his play. The underlying message is that he's a talented player, but I don't have positive comments on his leadership skills.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:19 pm

Lombardi traded Ringo, our starting (and All-Pro IIRC) center to Philly because he showed up for contract negotiations with an agent. Yeah, Lombardi would have put up with Rodgers' antics my ass.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:27 pm

In BOTH cases, it was about the Money.

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Spawny's picture

March 20, 2023 at 03:24 pm

Oppi wan Kanobi,

I always choose my words appropriately. The word dimrod was a play on words to show how superficial many think here. So many of you want to think in black and white while the world of athletics is more often presented in grays, blues, purples and sometimes in green and gold.
Furthermore, to imagine Rodgers playing for Lombardi is not a stretch. Rodgers would have known immediately who the boss was. Lombardi would have roasted Rodgers agent. He would have kicked Danica in the arse and told Rodgers to marry Lena from the Netherlands. Rodgers would have had to become the perfect lap dog. Which is exactly what most Packer fans want.

Alas poor Vince grew tired of Green Bay dimrods speaking in black and white. He ran off to Warshingmachineton where he participated in Waterloo or was that Watergate, Waterfountain, whatever.

Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2023 at 08:09 am

Yeah imagine Rodgers publicly trashing Lombardi's offense or his personnel picks. Then try to imagine Lombardi not handing him the next one-way bus ticket out of town without laughing.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:17 am

"When the FO says Don’t be a Problem for a new coach.
It’s the main statement that they did not want Rodgers
to be the greatest packer of all Time."

This narrative that you're pushing that there's some nefarious cabal comprised of Packers fans and the Packers' front office that seeks to limit Rodgers' impact to ensure he's unable to achieve the status of 'greatest Packer of all time' is wholly ridiculous and is so illogical that it borderlines on paranoid. You've posting this silliness multiple times in the last few days. Just stop.

Perhaps the most reasonable explanation for why Mark Murphy would have told Rodgers "don't be the problem" after firing Mike McCarthy is simply this: Aaron Rodgers was being a problem for several seasons, and when the situation hit critical mass and it became clear Rodgers and McCarthy could not function as a cohesive unit any longer, Murphy had to choose between backing a diva HoF QB that was undermining his coaches and actually being a problem, or a HC who was quickly losing control of his talented but divisive QB. Murphy picked the easy route and fired Mike McCarthy. Knowing that Rodgers was at least as culpable as MM in the mess, Murphy states to Rodgers "Don't be the problem", an obvious reminder to Rodgers that McCarthy was let go, you were kept.. but that does not mean you are absolved from all charges of poor behavior. A message from Murphy that he chose to keep Rodgers over MM, don't go pulling the same shit with the new coaching staff.

Guess what Rodgers did? He pulled the same shit with the new coaching staff. This was evidenced in 2019 by public confrontations between Rodgers and MLF on the field of play. Pressers where a testy Rodgers defied statements made by coaches about basic expectations of the QB in this offense. By the fact that plays on the field were MM playbook plays coming out of the huddle instead of MLF plays. Refused to work on his core mechanics which were lazily devolving. That's why it's no coincidence that in 2020 Gutekunst drafted Love. The Packers backed Rodgers by sending MM packing, and Rodgers repaid the organization by digging his heels in and effectively showing the Packers in 2019 that he's going be any kind of problem he chooses to be. Enough was enough.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:10 am

A leader doesn’t say “Don’t be the problem”. That’s a throw away abdication, A leader says “you won’t be a problem, are we clear? Here’s what that means … if you don’t conform to that then we won’t be working together.” And they make such a statement only if they mean to personally consistently and unswervingly enforce it however unpopular it may be, because they know it is critical or they wouldn’t have said it on the first place.

That’s why this wouldn’t have happened under a Lombardi or a Holmgren or in the watch of a Wolf, TT or a true President like Harlen. Murphy made himself responsible but lacked the ability to deliver on that to everyone’s detriment.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:18 am

I don't disagree it wasn't handled well by Murphy. I think we can all agree Murphy is total dumpster fire and has disintegrated the Packers' ability to function.

My only point here is Aaron Rodgers' actions have led to Aaron Rodgers' fate. His own actions prompted the Packers to move on when they did (drafting Love in 2020).

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:34 am

Management/leadership involves helping people to to avoid their own worst tendencies.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:23 pm

How the hell could you get a downvote for this? SMH at some people's idiocy.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:39 pm

Extra ‘M’ maybe?

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:43 pm

I see what you did there

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:25 am

As to if it wouldn't have happened under Lombardi or Holmgren, that's pure conjecture, of course.

I don't know. The underlying issues with Rodgers are narcissistic in nature. Those tendencies were already there by the time he'd first stepped onto Ray Nitschke Field. I think it's deeply embedded. Maybe the right firm thumb on him would have squashed and suppressed it, but then, if it was suppressed it could have turned him into an even more vindictive and destructive personality.

Narcissists tend to resent those that make demands of them.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:25 pm

Now that you mention it, maybe there was a good reason that Rodgers fell to #24 in that draft. Lombardi was GM as well as Coach - would he even have drafted Rodgers? No way to ever know, of course, and it's not important in the least, but still...

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:58 pm

Besides the Tedford lineage, it was widely circulated that Rodgers attitude was a turn-off for many of the teams during interviews. Cockiness was noted.

Here's the thing, most football players at this level are cocky.. So at what level was Rodgers emoting cockiness that teams were noting it as a strike against drafting him?

I'm guessing people were detecting high levels of narcissism. The kind that can become a problem.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:35 pm

I don’t know, I don’t remember young Rodgers as cocky. I think KGB had it right. Gbaja-Biamila, who played for the Packers from 2000-08, said Rodgers' personality changed when he developed into one of the NFL's top-tier stars.

"When Aaron became 'the man,' he was 'the man,' especially in his own eyes," said Gbaja-Biamila, who went on to compare Rodgers to his Packers predecessor, Hall of Famer Favre.

"It's hard for me to say this without causing drama ... but I will say that between Brett and Aaron - and I'm just being honest here so do what you want with this - with everything that Brett accomplished, you would think he'd be a little more arrogant, but he was actually more humble. And I felt that Aaron was a little bit more on the arrogant side."

https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/nfl/ex-packers-slam-arrogant-rodgers-wish-n...

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:05 pm

And KGB devolved into a gun packing lunatic over @ the warehouse church with a two-part SI story covering his actions.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:47 pm

Regardless how you remember young Rodgers' attitude, or what KGB stated, there were reports that multiple teams were turned off by his cockiness during interviews pre-draft- that doesn't change, it's not opinion, those were the reports.

For what it's worth, there's also the story about Rodgers' first time eating lunch with Favre in the Packers cafeteria, where he supposedly greeted Favre with a "What's up, grandpa?" as some of his first words.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 05:51 pm

It is called Confidence. His green room texts were hilarious. The Packers were very Lucky he fell to Ted.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:49 pm

B I N G O !

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2023 at 08:13 am

You're not wrong, per se, but I also have a hard time blaming Murphy for Rodgers' shit. Rodgers is an adult and should be accountable for his own actions.

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lou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:47 am

Sorry, Don Hutson was the Packers GOAT. He was the Babe Ruth of the NFL there was such a gap between his records as a WR and the #2 WR behind him that equaled the gap between Ruth's 60 HR's and the #2 home run hitters 25-28. In addition Hutson was the teams best defensive back (almost as many picks as LeRoy Butler) and the teams place kicker.

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lou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:52 am

For reference purposes, Butler had 38 picks in 12 seasons, Hutson played both ways just 6 seasons and had 30 picks.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:37 pm

In 1943, Hutson led the NFL in:
Receptions - 47
Receiving Yards - 776
Receiving TDs - 12
Receiving Yards per Game - 77.6
Points Scored - 117
Yards per Touch - 15.4 (STILL #6 ALL TIME)
Interception Return Yards - 197 (82nd all time)

He was #2 in all purpose yards (1018), had 8 interceptions (good for #3 in the league, with one returned for a TD) and was also our Kicker, mainly used for extra points.

If this isn't the greatest season in NFL history, I'd like someone to show me what is. BTW, Hutson was also credited with a safety in 1937.

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lou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:27 pm

And that was accomplished when it was a 12 game season and he played 10 games. It also took LT 16 games to best Paul Horung's 46 year season scoring record in a 12 game season.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:38 pm

it was also accomplished while most of the best athletes were fighting a world war. Hutson, all brilliance aside, was a very big fish in a diminished pond.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 18, 2023 at 04:20 pm

That's an interesting comment. I know Bednarik, Luckman, and Tom Landry served in WWII. Bob Feller could have played for the Bears, but chose baseball, and served.

I'm curious, who were "most of the best athletes" that were missing from the NFL during the 1943 season?

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 05:55 pm

Elroy Hirsch was in the Marines, but stateside.

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PyschoDad3's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:52 am

Not even worth a thumbs down

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:13 pm

The Choir shows their Fear and the Chorus now Laments the Hero as he gets the Flim-Flam. If The Ides of March revealed anything, it would be that Moros rules the sledding hill.

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4morethan12's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:57 pm

Crowning a player the “greatest Packer of all-time” must include a much wider set of criteria than a set of statistics. It must include how that player inspired greatness from his teammates. It must include the dedication, sacrifices, and selflessness he demonstrated throughout his time with the team. Greatness is a way of being, it’s a constant pursuit of better no matter how good you are, and in football, it’s about doing everything you can do to help every person on the team be better, and in doing so creates that brotherhood, a bond between a group of men that inspires them to fight for one another, the desire that drives them to dig deeper because they are not going to be the one that lets the team down. For example, Brett Favre flys to Oakland to play the Monday night after his father passed away. The team asked him what he was doing there. He told them that he knew they were counting on him and he didn’t want to let them down. Well, if you recall, Brett threw many ill advised passes that night, but his receivers were not going to let him have a bad night, they just wanted the ball more, and they went and got them, it was incredible! When the dust settled, Favre had his best statistical game of his career, thanks to his inspired teammates. AR has some incredible statistics and I can only imagine what they might be if he had the ability to drop the ego, be selfless, and inspire greatness in others. As I imagine what that might have been I’m left with one feeling. Disappointed. Period.

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J-Rome's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:13 am

I think the point about the weather is a good one. Anyone who has had a significant injury knows how that feels in the cold even after it heals. With all the injuries Rodgers has had, there’s no way he isn’t feeling all of them when the temp drops at Lambeau. It was the same with Favre. Why play for home field advantage in the playoffs if it’s not an advantage for your quarterback? Love doesn’t have that injury history so the weather should be one factor we don’t have to worry about.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:22 am

Love doesn't have Rodgers courage,
outstanding achievements, or noble qualities either.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:28 am

This statement reminds me of Cousin Vinny...

"Everything dat guy said is BS..."

First, Love has just as many outstanding achievements as Rodgers had at the same point in his career.

Second, you have NO %'in IDEA about Love's courage or noble qualities.

I have seen people accuse you of being a racist on CHTV for your bias against Love. I have no idea if you're a racist or not, (I hope not) but I've never seen you deny it on here either.

I have seen you spout unmitigated BS many times on CHTV though, and most of it against a kid who had no choice in who drafted him. For three years Love has done everything asked of him. He seems like a great kid.

Well, he's not a kid anymore, he's a man, and whether you like it or not, he'll be QB1 for the Packers until he's replaced. IDK if that will be one year or 15 more years, but your anti-Love schtick is getting old, really quick.

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Guam's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:47 am

Thank you BDU! Well written rebuttal.

I have very little idea what the Packers have in Love as a player, but Stockholder's witless and ongoing diatribe against him is just unfounded and unnecessary. Give the kid a chance and we and the Packers will see what he has. I do give Love very high marks for how he has conducted himself in this uncomfortable situation with Rodgers. He has proven himself to be a classy Packer already.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:28 am

BDU- - My comment was the definition of a Hero!
Not that of your mumble jumbo. BS.
Don't believe me? Look up hero.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:29 am

BDU is questioning how you have come to the conclusion that Love lacks the "courage" and "noble qualities" that you somehow believe Aaron Rodgers possesses, and points out that at this point in Love's pro career, he has no fewer "outstanding achievements" than Rodgers had at the same point in his career.

Either your reading comprehension is extremely poor, or you're completely dodging the point of BDU's response because you don't have reasonable supporting evidence for your assertions. It's one or the other.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:53 am

No he wasn't.
BDU was going down the path of jurp.
I purposely used The Hero definition.
Because the hatred has gone too far.
And That is the only reason Rodgers
wants to play in NY.
He said he was sensitive to the talk.
Too many excuses have been given to Love already!
It's my view too many.
I would be against any replacement!
The Odds say Last place.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:07 am

"First, Love has just as many outstanding achievements as Rodgers had at the same point in his career.

Second, you have NO %'in IDEA about Love's courage or noble qualities. "

So, you have extremely poor reading comprehension.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:51 am

outstanding achievements?
What exactly are you talking about?
NO %'in IDEA about Love's courage or noble qualities. "
The definition of hero was used.
I explained that. Get a Grip. Love is No Hero!
His record shows Loses!
extremely poor reading comprehension?
If you can't understand my words.
Why the Hell don't you just shut up.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:11 pm

Deleted due to the below insight

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:14 pm

It just occurred to me, it's almost like you have no ability to connect a string of thoughts from one message to the next.

You just post whatever is in your mind in that very moment. When somebody responds to your post, you have already completely forgotten what it was that you posted that they are responding to... so you reply to their response as if it was completely isolated from your original statement.

You don't have conversations, you just impulsively react to compartmentalized statements. You're like a goldfish, out of sight, out of mind. I get it now.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

March 18, 2023 at 06:22 pm

Stockholder vs any random goldfish on Jeopardy would be a tough call. Even without the ability to ring in I think the Goldfish would win...

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:39 pm

Actually, BDU was being kinder to you that I would've been, but his answer was excellent, so no need for me to weigh in.

And yes, I think you're a racist.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:53 pm

I don't think it is either fair or wise to characterize Stockholder as a racist.

I think he's a twit and he doesn't have the emotional maturity / capacity to correctly align his hurt or angry emotions over Rodgers departure from the Packers, a player he has almost child-like idolization of.

Instead, he takes that hurt and anger and applies it to a scapegoat to give him an outlet, and it makes sense that the scapegoat is the replacement QB, Jordan Love.

He also despises Gutekunst, and while I'm sure he has many reasons for that, I wouldn't be shocked to find that his feelings about Gute originated or at least were greatly amplified when Love was drafted. There's got to be a villain driving his hero away.

Please note that Love is dark skinned while Gutekunst is light skinned. Yet, I believe Stockholder's displeasure with both stems from the same event.

People have a million irrational reasons that they may seem to hate people, it's not always about race.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:12 pm

I base my belief on the fact that, based on details in his own posts, he's about the same age as my racist father-in-law, who has spouted very similar things about Love. Most recently, my f-i-l was crowing because the Badgers' basketball team was "all white". Yeah, I don't talk with him much.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:56 pm

I hate to break it to you, but Stockholder is no more your father in law just because he says the same things about Jordan Love (and, please note, not one thing SH has said about Love has ever been anything related to race or culture) than all people who are of any given particular group are "all the same" because of the color of their skin.

Take three deep breathes and repeat after me, Stockholder is not your father in law. They are two different people. Just because they may share some opinions and are the same age does not mean they are like-minded in all things.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:30 pm

You'd be wrong
Nobody tries to be a Racist.
I never confronted you on that,
because: It's too easy of a put down.
And thats not what were here for.
But since you are.
I will tell you I'm not.
I know this won't be good enough for you.
So it won't matter what I tell you.
Because you can't leave well enough alone.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:53 pm

I'd like to believe you, so that's what I'll do, until you go off on some illogical rant about Love.

You might want to note that most racists believe that they're not racist. Words and actions can be used to identify such people.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:15 pm

This might be your most coherent comment ever, so I do believe you...

Maybe slow down when you post and make all your comments as clear as this one and people won't give you so much crap?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:01 pm

BDU, It is clear the poster wants attention. Thumbs down probably gives as much joy as a thumbs up.

I do not think sh is a racist...hope not, because with all the hate comes through the posts...that would be a toxic mix.

I just choose to deprive trolls of the attention that feeds them.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:11 pm

Excellent points...

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:52 am

I’ve no idea what Love is as a person, and I’m pretty sure you don’t. Such personal sleighting of a man you know nothing about just shows that you are as full of it as you are deluded.

Following in from your recent expression of a desire to assault Gute, I think you need counseling. I’m not Al, and I’m against censorship at a very core level, but you are making a damn good case for being erased from this forum.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:00 am

Love is a good kid. Just not the leader I want.
Keep your assumptions in the shitter.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:03 am

Then don’t spout crap in public about people you know nothing about when, as you just state, you don't even believe it. Get a grip. I don’t need to assume, you admit you’re full of it in your own words.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:43 am

Your the one bringing up crap.
You don't have to respond to every comment.
You've tried several times to get me banned.
And now your buddies from Acme are joining you.
The saddest part is your keeping others away.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:44 pm

Been here longer than you. And no, I’ve never attempted to get anyone banned. I prefer to fight my own battles. Till today I had never thought I’d even consider it necessary. You broke the mold.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:44 pm

What battle?
What mold?
Go read your poetry.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:26 pm

I sincerely, want to thank you sh. I just realized I'm the idiot for spending too much time on here.

Going to go get some aroma therapy before the sun goes down. Nothing like the smell of gunpowder in the evening.

Thanks again!

BW

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:40 pm

He's a goldfish, Coldworld.

He really meant it when he questioned Love's courage and noble qualities before.

AND he really means it when he just said Love's a good kid.. then.

It's moment to moment with him. What he said mere minutes ago has zero connection to what he's saying now. And your response to him? He has zero idea that it was a response to something he said earlier. There's zero contextual holdover.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:54 pm

If you can't have Rodgers, exactly what type of leader DO you want? Please enlighten us.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:42 pm

His comments about Love are, I think, borderline actionable; I don't think the site would be responsible based on existing law, but I'm certainly no expert.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:41 pm

I think the way many of you "fans" assault stockholder really sucks...juvenile at best...no one is completely right or wrong about any of this, and who the hell are you to say someone should be erased from the forum??/ STFU..go ahead erase me you dipshit..

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:40 pm

I wouldn't go into THEIR territory with the character critique, bullshit. Love has overcome some very tough circumstances growing up and a terrible coach in his final year of college. The vehemence and castigation directed to the brain trust is warranted. They are fool's.

But now, I may be reading your grape leaves a bit differently as in Rodgers is the Hero, has earned the Status, while Jordan Love is the next General to hopefully Earn his Glory. Code warriors.

4 points
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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:20 pm

The New Running Game was supposed to neutralize the weather variables, replicating the Glory Years Packers ground and pound precision. All that mano-a-mano stuff. Bhaktiari was out for two significant Playoff Games and Jenkins was also vacant in '21. They would constitute an ALL PRO left flank, missing. The Defense did not Stop the run in critical situations during the Playoff runs 2019-21. "3rd and 7"; Fournette blasting off right tackle, etc. Yeh, let's spend More high picks on a defense that crumbles in the face of pressure. The only people affected by the weather are the Fans in the stands.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:30 pm

The 2 rush was Reed and Lowrey.
Now their both Gone.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:54 pm

THEY are always Behind the Curve. Bringing a guy like Barry onboard could sink LaFleur's ship this season. Bisaccia can handle the wheel and steer the ship. I have zero confidence they will secure a one pick while dealing New Jersey an ALLPRO quarterback. Love shares the same sports Agent as Rodgers. He knows the games being played by the confederacy of dunces. If they try to low-ball him on his next Deal, he may opt to bail out. Reed wanted to go home where he lives and Schneider paid him more and realized HIS mistake letting him go after Reed's first Contract. Lowry will fit in the Four Man fronts for Flores.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:35 am

Good article. I never understood why the Packers always made a big deal about getting home field advantage because of the cold and snow when they’ve had a finesse team since the McCarthy days. If you want a cold weather team, hire Mike Vrabel or Kyle Shanahan, trade for Derrick Henry and run the ball 55 times a game.

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beerandbrats's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:29 am

I wholeheartedly agree with you egbertsouse! What if the Packers played in a dome? Would we still want to trade AR12? I think not because he would light up the scoreboard in a dome in January!

The frozen tundra is cold! And frozen! It's tough on everybody but especially for older players. The Packers need to continue to build a team with exactly that in mind! Finesse is fine in September but come December, I would love to see some smash mouth football played in Green Bay!

4 points
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NickPerry's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:40 am

First off I loved this piece by Cory because it's absolutely, positively, 100% true IMO.

"Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst doesn’t have faith that Rodgers can get the Packers to the Promised Land, so why hang on to a guy that is owed $60 million?"

Read that sentence a few times and hose of you who CONTINUED to believe Rodgers gave the Packers the best chance to win a SB should read a few more times. Rodgers was 11-10 in the Playoffs and if you take the one SB playoff run out he was 7-10. But MOST importantly he 5-4 at Lambeau field in the Playoffs. In 2020 he had his chances against Tampa Bay and didn't deliver. 1st and goal from the 8 and he didn't gain a single yard in 3 plays, YET people still insist on blaming MLF for that loss.

Hey, LaFleur didn't stop him from running on 2nd down with a line to the right pylon in the endzone wide open. He also didn't make him throw to a covered Davante Adams on 3rd down. Had he ran I have no doubt he makes it to at least the one, and probably a TD, but I'd bet MLF keeps the offense on the field if he didn't score.

The following year against the 49ers the Defense played lights out. The offense was looking pretty good as well, right up to Big Dogs fumble. But after that play the offense went into hiding and we all remember that 4th down pass into triple coverage with Lazard running wide open without a 49er withing 15 yards of him.

Then there was the Lions game this past season. Win and your in, and AGAIN it's at Lambeau. And again he didn't deliver and ended up swept by the Lions for the season...UGH!

I will look forward to that halftime ceremony at Lambeau when Rodgers name and number are retired with all the other greats. I will cheer wildly just like I have for the last 15 seasons he's been our starting QB. Rodgers is owned nothing OTHER than that from GB and he doesn't owe us anything. Thank you for ALL the great memories Aaron, and good luck as a Jet.

16 points
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vin0770's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:59 am

Couldn’t agree more. After that Super Bowl run I thought not only was he special gifted, I thought he was going to be Ice cold water in his veins CLUTCH! You know the rarest type that seems ALWAYS able to step up with the game on the line and make THE play! Not hardly.

I wrote on a preseason blog here that this last year was the balancing on the fence going to finalize his legacy. Was he going to end up in legendary status or fighting the debate into eternity that with the game on the line…he’s JAG.

The Detroit game cemented it.

1 points
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Untylu1968's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:18 am

Oh, the agony of losing basically a playoff game to the lions at home? I just don't understand why some people believe he'd be better next year if still in Green Bay? Not saying that Love is going to be any better, but why and how would Rodgers be better than last year? Somebody please explain...

3 points
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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:10 pm

Love and Rodgers are just fine. The other word you mention, Team, is not.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:28 pm

NP, your comment about Rodgers should have run reminded me of John Elway in the Super Bowl game when he was well past his prime and ran for that touchdown and was hit hard at the goal line and spun around like the propeller on a helicopter. It would have been memorable if Aaron could have made that run for the goal line and won that game. He did a lot of impressive things during his years at Lambeau and I think he wished he would have made the run rather than the throw.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:08 pm

It is not Tennis ,or Golf. What did the rest of the Supporting cast do to Win the Big Games? Tramon and Nick Collins changed the course to the SB Win. They didn't choke and allow cheap TDs, Fumble the ball, Drop Ints and fail to get a yard on 3rd and goal 3x @ The Space needle.

2 points
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murf7777's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:47 am

I think the Packers know that Rodgers gives them the best chance to win it all. Similar to Favre they want a player who knows they are all-in without the annual I’m not sure if I want to keep playing and I’ll see you only when I have to. I also think they believe they have something special in Love and want to give him the opportunity. Lastly, I think that if they didn’t draft Love, in addition to Love showing some good potential they would keep Rodgers for the next two years of his contract.

IMO, this trade will happen pre-draft because it is best for both parties. The Packers get some compensation (who knows how much) for Rodgers, give Love his 5th year option and give him two year to show what he has. The Jets will finally have a QB who with a Top 5 defense give them the opportunity to win it all. I will be a Jets fan this year and hope they go far into the playoffs.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:04 am

I don’t think Rodgers does give us our best chance to win, not with with the combination of his contract, the youth on the roster and the cap constraints of continually paying it forward.

That era has past and had a year ago before the consummation of a contract extension that makes it infinitely more difficult if he remained any longer. That may well not be true for Rodgers and the Jets who have a roster fed by years of ineptitude. It’s as close as one is likely to get to Brady and Tampa.

Rodgers and the Packers has run its course for that reason alone makes no sense. The other factors like his increasingly Favrian internal debate about desire probably didn’t help, but such frustrations shouldn’t need to be the driver when the end of the road has been staring us in the face.

8 points
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murf7777's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:17 am

CW…this is looking at a 2 year window. Do you really think they consider Love better than Rodgers for next year? IMO, Rodgers is still a top 7 QB in the NFL. Of course, that is a healthy Rodgers, not a broken thumb one.

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Guam's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:35 am

I would disagree on one salient point Murf. Rodgers might have won more games for the Packers this coming year than Love will, but he gives the Packers no better chance to "win it all". A Rodgers led team has not "won it all" since 2010 and 2020 and 2021 were his last chances as a Packer. I doubt he would get the Packers to the playoffs next year much less to the Super Bowl.

Rodgers plays better with a chip on his shoulder so maybe he will have a career resurgence with the Jets, but he simply looked and played uninspired last year as a Packer. I think he was mentally done after the failures in 2020 and 2021 and that is why he was 90% retired going into the darkness. I wish him the best of luck with the Jets, but it was time to move on for the Packers.

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murf7777's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:38 am

That’s a good point Guam. Might be that he needs that “chip” again to put in the 100% effort to off season and during season.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:55 am

I'm with you murf -

Rodgers window could be as little as one year - to how ever many years he decides to end up playing. I think his realization in the darkness was he was a football player. Acknowledging he's a football player and that it was OK to be a football player, was an epiphany for 12, IMO.

At least that is what he admitted to in the podcast with the guy who started the darkness retreat.

I have seen a lot of great QBs get beat by better teams. Rodgers will be better than Love this season, but NFL games aren't played in a vacuum. When Tom Brady can get beat by Eli Manning twice in his prime, in the biggest game, when Tom Brady has the best HC in recent memory, that tells me it doesn't always pay to have the "best" QB, but the better team.

Plenty of times we had the best QB who couldn't get it done. Like against Goff and the Lions last year.

Love might not be the better QB between he and Rodgers next year, but the team could easily be better. The next year, with 12 another year older and Love with a year of experience under his belt, it may be a close call.

Still think Murphy should be fired for not trading 12 last year. Love would already have a year of experience, we'd already had this divorce behind us, and we'd be sitting in the catbird's seat with what Denver gave Seattle.

TE NOAH FANT
DE SHELBY HARRIS
QB DREW LOCK
'22 - 1st, 2nd, and 5th round picks
'23 - 1st & 2nd round picks

Seattle gave them Russ and a '22 4th rounder...

To my thinking, Murphy surely should be fired for incompetence...

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:26 am

Murf. I have said that, in my view, Favre was better than Rodgers, when healthy, for two seasons, yet it was certainly the right move.

Hypothetically, put Rodgers or Love on a loaded roster and I’d back Rodgers to win. However, I have no doubt that we aren’t winning with Rodgers in our circumstances here. If we keep him, those just get worse, not better. Love, if he grows may well give us a chance to win in 2024 and certainly 2025. If not his presence helps clear the decks of cap and coaching potentially.

In the context of this coaching staff and a young roster I think that the chances are that Love doesn’t do materially worse. His mobility and seeming ability to build rapport with new players should help him and, if LaFleur is real, allow a more innovative O to help him. I stress, I don’t expect contention this year, I hope for growth.

To me, hope for growth and a return to cap health is better than we saw last year and I think would continue at a similar level with only more dead cap weight for longer. Rodgers here isn’t winning anything. Love might at some point when Rodgers is on a sofa. If Love does not, then we are on to the next. Not winning cheaper gives better future chances even then.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:52 pm

I think you will see next year that Jordan Love is actually just as good, or better than Rodgers was this year. In 2024, he likely will without much 'debate' better than Rodgers.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2023 at 08:27 am

Murf, I think they absolutely see Love as the better qb at this point. Rodgers had the 26th ranked qbr (not qb rating) in football and qbr is probly the most all encompassing stat for a qb. Love is absolutely better than that. The only thing that could elevate Rodgers over Love this year is the fact that Rodgers is now pissed off and motivated, but the Packers were never getting a motivated Rodgers this year anyways so its a moot point.

1 points
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Spawny's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:20 am

Murf 007,
I also will be pulling for the Jets. Frankly, even if they meet the Packers in the Super Bowl. Hard to say but I've grown disenchanted with Packers' management and Packers' coaching staff. (Stiffs)
The really hard thing to swallow is I'm now rooting for a team that had a quarterback who wore pantyhose. Do you thing Joe Willy still wears them?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:34 am

Joe Willie wasn't the only one. Back in the day we didn't have Under Armour...

If you ever played a late game in November in Iowa, in the 70s, you might have worn them too... I know I damned sure did.

2 points
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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:31 am

Then go join their blogs. If you would root against us in a Super Bowl then you are no Packer fan and never were, so head off, don’t tarry.

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stockholder's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:08 pm

When the Losing starts again.
I'm sure you'll be cheering for other teams.
It will be hard not too.
Only the naive would think otherwise.
Doubt they meet in the super-bowl.

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Houndog's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:14 am

Spot On, Cory!
And after reading most of the other comments there's not much left to say, while this whole thing is bittersweet it is the best thing for the Packers. It had to happen some time.
That said, the thing I saw as one of your most important observations came in your second paragraph where you say;
"The Packers have to worry about the Packers. Their sole focus should be to put a winning product on the field".
Maybe you should print that and mail a copy to Mark Murphy, the "everyone reports to me" guy.

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Guam's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:21 am

It appears the Jets are offering their 2023 second round pick, a player and a conditional 2024 pick for Rodgers. While that might increase somewhat when the final deal is completed, it is a far cry from what Denver was rumored to be offering for Rodgers last year. Murphy missed out on a truckload of draft choices and players and instead saddled the Packers with a difficult and expensive contract.

I wonder if the Board will hold Murphy accountable for his epic blunder? Probably not likely, but I can dream..........

And yes, the Packers will owe Rodgers a celebration when he enters their Ring of Honor. I just hope Murphy is not included in that celebration. Murphy forgot the dictum "better to move a player a year too early than a year too late" and the Packers and their fans will pay for that mistake for awhile.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:25 am

Make it a first round pick, take out the player, and make the 2024 pick conditional depending on whether or not they make the playoffs/win a playoff game. If they don’t make the playoffs, then we get no 2024 pick. That seems like a fair trade to me.

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Spawny's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:26 am

Guam,
A better dictum
"Don't piss the puppet off."
Rocko Weineretto circa 1980s.

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Curt's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:42 am

I agree it can be a conditional deal, but....GB should receive the Jets #1 pick this year and a player in exchange for Rodgers playing in 2023 for them .... I would also add a fourth round pick from 2025 that improves to a 3 if AR plays a second year, a 2 if they win a playoff game, and a 1 if they make the super bowl.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:55 am

Hi Guam!
I posted a link above from PFF who claims Aaron Rodgers trade value is equal to what SEA received for Russell Wilson, or more.

There's no way Packer fans should be listening to the Jets initial low ball offers they danced out to the press, and somehow consider AR of ridiculously low value. It's normal deal making discourse to a T, and I know you know that. A lot of others are getting lost in it because that lowball has been blasted incessantly by every media outlet.

Don't believe that garbage, my brothers & sisters!!!

Matthew Stafford went to the Rams, giving DET two R1s, and the young QB1 Goff, who led the Rams to a Super Bowl, took on Stafford's $43M deal AND ate Goff's $20M+ cap hit.

Market value!!!

Come on people! Let's get together! C'mon Cmon, let's get together!!!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:51 am

Good synopsis of the current situation, Cory.

I agree with this statement: "For decisions like these, you have to go back to Bill Belichick. His philosophy has always been to get rid of players before it’s too late."

However, I don't think you need to quote BB...TT had this view and exercised it often.

Favre the most infamous and he was productive for 2 years post Packers (his last year in MN was painful to watch),. Lacy, CMIII, Jordy are a few more team favorites that made many fans see red. But Ted was mostly proven right following his principle.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:59 am

Cory, you are exactly right. Retire the number 12 jersey. Right thing to do.

And... Farve in the 2007 loss to the Giants, Rodgers in the 2021 loss to the 49ers and Rodgers in the Detroit loss. They all looked beaten before the end of the game. Those images are seared into my memory.

Time to move on.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:21 am

The last pass the two Packer MVPs/HOFer threw for the Packers was an INT. (Favre's last pass for the Jets and MN were also INTs).

There are just so many similarities between Favre and Rodgers careers. Kind of amazing really.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:51 pm

Favre was a bookend - his first AND his last career passes were interceptions.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:17 pm

How did the O line look after Detroit's front four kicked their ass over the course of the game. Go back to Fantasy Football. How 'bout that Running Game? Amnesia is not an excuse.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:02 am

Why in the world would Green Bay trade Rodgers to the Jets and give them our #15 pick as well. That is the dumbest thing I have heard during this whole trade saga. This isn't the Lakers trying to dump Russel Westbrook. Rodgers has real value. And he is going to play really well I think for the Jets because that chip on his shoulder just grew 3 sizes like the Grinches heart grew. Aaron will twist this into a Green Bay punked me thing and his motivation will come back. Oh well if thats what it takes to get more out of the Jets in trade so be it. I predict Rodgers will play 3 years for the Jets and they will be successful. The Packers should be using that in their sales pitch everytime they talk to the Jets. Pump up the volume.

The Packers are doing nothing but running a business. Sadly they missed the boat, no maybe the whole damn fleet when they didn't use the opportunity to get rich and trade Rodgers last year. What a huge franchise direction changing mistake that was, one of the biggest in sports history.

I can't wait for this drama to be over so we can all just talk about the team again. I'll bet the team is waiting for that too.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:52 pm

"Sadly they missed the boat, no maybe the whole damn fleet when they didn't use the opportunity to get rich and trade Rodgers last year."

We anti-Hadl'd ourselves. Thanks, Murphy!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 07:58 pm

GolfPacker1,
So immensely in agreement with everything so well stated! Post more often!

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Spawny's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:05 am

Corey,

Five points I would like to mention. I could mention more but I'm trying to simplify for the woefully ignorant.

1. It is acceptable that the Packers drag their feet in deciding when Rodgers will be available, but it is not acceptable for Rodgers to take his time deliberating if he will be available. I mean he is only deciding his future. The hypocracy shown by many in the press and many of your vocal readers is, shall I say, bullshit.

2. Before Reggie White signed with the Packers, Green Bay was a dead zone for free agents. I'm old enough to remember the arrogance exhibited by Packer management during that time period. Rodgers negotiated a contract with Packer management. Both parties expressed how happy they were to get this done. Now management wants a give back from Rodgers. Again this whole mess stinks of Packerr hypocracy.

3. It is one thing to write about Packer news. It is another thing to be a corporate shill because without them you dont have a job. Your opinion isn't important.

4. Remember it was during Rodgers reign that the Packers were finally able to rebuild Lambaugh field and buy up and renovate downtown Green Bay. Clearly the packers owe Rodgers more than a celebration.

5. You obviously have never negotiated a contract based on performance both past and present. One day hopefully you win a Pulitzer and you get the opportunity to be more than a shill. It could happen, maybe????

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Johnblood27's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:25 am

what a douche.

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greengold's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:01 pm

A cookie for you.

Lolz.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:33 am

"Five points I would like to mention. I could mention more but I'm trying to simplify for the woefully ignorant."

Well, aren't you generous.

I think the narratives of your 5 points exemplify what you decry.

And talk about being a shill...

But since the CHTV writers' and Cory's opinions aren't important, I guess this is your last post?

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TxFred's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:25 pm

Imagine if GB won more SB with AR the renovations would have been a given. This "tail wagging the dog bs is sickening. Pack never paint the team in a corner like that again.

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jurp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:55 pm

"Remember it was during Rodgers reign that the Packers were finally able to rebuild Lambaugh field and buy up and renovate downtown Green Bay. Clearly the packers owe Rodgers more than a celebration."

The Packers started the stadium renovations after 1996, well before Rodgers joined the team; Titletown is not in downtown Green Bay but is (mostly?) in Ashwaubenon.

And finally, your opinions, misguided as they are, might've gained more credence if you knew how to spell the name of the stadium that the Packers play in. Putz.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:25 pm

Packertown development was driven by Park Avenue. The same "entertainment" district bullshit in every Sports City. Goddell set up loan packages and the third phony stock offering manifested in Green Bay. Interest rates were rock bottom and Foreclosure scams ruled the day.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:22 am

In other news, did anyone see that Dean Lowry got signed by the Vikes! LOL - he will be the perfect fit on their terrible defense!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:36 am

Try hard guy and a solid teammate. He did not come close to following up on his 2021 season...which was OK, not great.

DT is on the Packers board too with Reed and Lowry gone.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:02 pm

I’d rather have kept Reed. But we need to find longer term answers and strive to get better in doing so. The transition is an opportunity not to have to make everything perfect in a year. Better to get real solutions in place through development where we can rather than paying for adequacy while the team regroups.

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lou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:42 am

Seven sold seasons as a starter who posted every day from a fourth round draft pick worked well for the team and the player. Good luck to him going forward.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:42 pm

To be clear, I am not insulting Lowry as much as I mean to point out the stupidity of the Vikings’ FO. Trying to replace Dalvin Tomlinson with Lowry is obviously going to fail miserably.

I do appreciate what Lowry brought to the Packers, even if it was frustrating to see him playing over other guys like Wyatt. Try hard guy and good locker room leader, too. Average or above average for most of his seasons (not this past one)!

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 02:58 pm

He will play better in Flores system. They will run four man fronts and Lowry will be a DE where he played at Northwestern.

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fair_weather's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:29 am

“The Packers believed that he couldn't deliver the big win for the Packers anymore.”

Enough with this narrative please. The Packers failed again and again to put together a high caliber team around him.

Complain all you want about throwing to Adams in triple coverage and missed reads whatever. Bottom line is it goes both ways. The organization failed him and squandered his career.

Have a nice day.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:53 am

The Packers surrounded Rodgers with enough talent to help him win 4 MVPs.

Yet not one of those MVP years resulted in another trip to the SB.

And following the last two MVPs, he lost in the playoffs...in Lambeau Field. And his last game in Lambeau was a real dud with a playoff ticket on the line.

There is ample evidence to support inability to win big games. Doesn't take anything away from his talent, which has been sublime.

But where Brady was unrivaled winning the big games, Rodgers has never matched up to him.

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dobber's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:02 pm

"Enough with this narrative please. The Packers failed again and again to put together a high caliber team around him."

You're going to have to point out why teams that got to NFCCG 4 times since the 2010 SB and won double-digit games regularly over that era are low caliber.

"The organization failed him and squandered his career."

12 had several opportunities over the years to play out his contract (or ask for a trade) and go elsewhere if he thought the grass would be greener. Yet he still put his name on the dotted line...so either he's complicit in squandering his career or felt confident in what was happening around him. So, in your own words, "Enough with this narrative please."

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Tundraboy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Love this!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:02 pm

So many knowledgeable posters on here. Always amazes me! Good job dobber & Lambeau!

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:03 pm

That's about it.

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Swisch's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:30 am

The time for Packer execs to be tough negotiators was last offseason before they made an idiotic contract with Rodgers.
Now is the time for a fair, reasonable negotiation with the Jets -- with no hallucinations about trying to extract too much in return for Rodgers as an emotional compensation for last year's folly.
That might mean the Packers receiving a second-round pick this year and next year, and the Jets paying at least 80 percent of Rodgers' salary. Don't require a first-rounder.
Maybe instead of one of the second-rounders, we could get a Jets receiver if any of them would be promising for us.
The Packers are so fortunate to have found a team willing to take a risk on the aging and melodramatic Rodgers -- and so get the deal done today for the good of both teams and all involved, including the fans.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:06 pm

Swisch,
You are ALWAYs one of my favorite commenters here at CCTV but I have to disagree on this one. Just who I am but I want the Packers to hold fast and extrapolate everything they can (wring blood). Even to the point that if the deal cannot get done then f___K it and both the Jets and the Packers will suffer the consequences. I don't think that will happen!

I f___king want #13, #43, and a player like Elijah Moore this year along with conditional picks in both 2024, and 2025. Rodgers has put us through hell & back & I want compensation for putting up with all that BS. Take it to the bank Rodgers will be playing in both 2024 & 2025. Do you the BS the Packer organization will go thru if no compensation for 2025 and Rodgers is still lined up as QB1 for the Jets?

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Swisch's picture

March 19, 2023 at 03:31 am

I'm glad to get different points of view, Knock, especially in good camaraderie.
I like the idea of conditional picks based on how long and how well Rodgers plays.
Yet, I don't think the Jets should have to pay for our having to suffer with Rodgers due to the past inadequacy of our front office.
To me, the main thing is to end our suffering with Rodgers ASAP.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 19, 2023 at 09:03 am

Gave you a thumbs on Swisch!

I will admit I was joking around and feeling a little feisty with a bourbon last night when I wrote that part about "making sure the Jet's pay for our suffering". LOL!

Was just having a little fun with that and not serious at all. Anyone's guess with how the trade ultimately ends up but I do think he should be worth a #13 this year & a player. Will the Packers get it? No idea and based on early reporting likely not, but who knows. I do feel strongly though that the Packers have those conditional picks built into the trade not just for 2024, but for 2025. Sadly, I stopped believing anything Rodgers says several years ago (referencing how long he might play). The Packers will look very stupid if Rodgers is playing in 2025 and the Jet's are lighting up the league.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:51 am

With the Packers on the clock, sitting with the #13th and #15th pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the Packers....

GPG!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:08 am

...have traded their #13 to the Chargers for their #21 and #54 ... and their #15 to the Jaguars for their #24 and #56.

5 picks in the first two rounds should help the Packers do a Houdini and get top talent on rookie deals with the cap handcuffs for the next few years.

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Rhiller's picture

March 18, 2023 at 04:19 pm

Pick 2 QBs!

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PatrickGB's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:52 am

Rodgers came out of his “retreat” and decided to retire as a Packer. He then read that the team was considering a trade. He next decides that he is OK with that. He meets with Jets and is OK with them. The team and front office wants compensation on a good player and the Jets can barely afford him but still wants him. That’s where we are at. I am struggling to figure out why so many fans are mad about this. To me Rodgers has been the most dynamic of any QB we have ever had. I think that he has not had the best player’s around him due to injuries or other factors and there has been coaching and FO shortfalls too. So, I don’t get the hate.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:37 pm

No hate just acceptance of what we see on the field.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 18, 2023 at 09:54 am

Cory, I understand that you are trying to please all kind of Packers fans. The one who is ACR appologists, the neutral one, those who see and know it is the time and the small group of "haters" (on purpose under the quotation marks).

It sounds like you do not have your opinion.

On today article IMHO, you finaly wrote the correct positon. No player for any franchize should ever be more important than franchize. And for his services every player got counter value in $ he agreed with franchize. When player is not able (for whatever reason) to deliver promised value it is the time to part ways.

Do not forget that rules about players salaries (contracts) are under mutual agreement between NFL (or owners union, what would be correct description) and players union (employee union). I understood that for some years in the past ACR was representative of players union. These days he complains about how Packers treat players with expired contracts or players Packers cut (finishing contracts before expiration day). I wonder why he did not take that "problem" (as he sees that as problem) to the negotiation table with NFL and made agreement how should players be treated after finishing their contract (in any way)?

Or why he or his agent did not ask from Packets to add article in the contract with his wish how wants to be treated in case of contract expiration, cut or trade.

In business words means nothing. Deals must be agreed and signed before you can call on way you are damaged side.

I know, some of posters will now call me that I spit on ACR "again". I'm not. I think I'm asking legit questions for the issues I do not understand why there are complaints when everything what may happened is listed in the agreement between A. NFL and players union and B. between franchize (Packers for example) and player - ACR (or Jordy Nelson, Clay Matthews, Brett Favre, Allen Lazard, etc).

I would like to ask that question directly to ACR.

Also, why do you think that anybody deserves respect if that one shows by his behaviour he does not respect you.

I am the owner of the company. And I shows my respect to my employees. But if any employee does not show respect to me, he has no business to do with me. And I made that clear to every new employee when I hire him/her. That is the first principle that should be understood and accept. If any of them have any objection on me, or how the business is running, we discuss that and if we can not find mutual interest we part our ways. With respect. I have no intention to keep any unhappy employee in my company. Because unhappy employee is cancer for the team!

That ia all I will say about that issue. No spitting on anybody. Just to be clear!

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PatrickGB's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:05 am

Croat, you make a lot of good points. Yet I remember my retirements (yes, more than one) and I did waffle a lot. And I did have the power over my employer because there was no one waiting in the wings to take my job. I asked for more influence and got it. It’s the right of any employee to to that and I would not have been offended if they did not accept. Eventually I got a nice retirement party and they got a great employee (better than me) to take my place. We moved on.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:02 pm

"And I did have the power over my employer because there was no one waiting in the wings to take my job. I asked for more influence and got it. It’s the right of any employee to to that and I would not have been offended if they did not accept."

I agree with you. Regarding "power over employer" I never object why ACR request it. I object on Mark Murphy and MLF why they allowed it. Of course that would many willingly accept it if their employer would give them.

I object on ACR when he use that "power over employer" with no sence of accountability for his actions. Why is that important. Because ACR constantly call others for lack of accountability. But he excuses himself from that. And that is another issue.

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Bear's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:22 pm

The moving on from aging athletes is something all NFL teams do not just the Packers.

Super stars that spent their entire career with one team and were traded at the end of their career. Some won Super Bowls, MVPs, All Pros.

Jerry Rice to Seahawks.
Unitas to Chargers.
Montana to Chiefs.
McNabb to Redskins.
McNair to Ravens.
Namath to Rams.
Emmitt Smith to Cardinals.
Tomlinson to Jets.
Dorset to Broncos.
Franco Harris to Seahawks.
OJ Simpson to 49ers.
Earl Campbell to Saints.
Jim Taylor to Saints.
Roger Craig to Raiders.
Eddie George to Cowboys.
Thurman Thomas to Dolphins.
Isaac Bruce to 49ers.
Andre Reed to Redskins.
Tony Gonzalez to Falcons.

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Curt's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:07 am

In hindsight, I offer a different perspective. The philosophy of resigning AR for 2023 at the time seemed like a good move - a two time MVP playing at a high level with a couple more shots at Super Bowl run.

What didn't get factored in was the sporadic line play and injuries to most every receiver and to Rodgers throwing hand (plus Watkins inability to read the defenses and run a crisp route). It appeared 12 thought he could coast in, push a button, and be successful, but that just didn't happen and when the defense struggled with scheme and same lack of urgency / focus, failure was a given.

He signed a three year contract -- attitude should have been, to work hard to live up to that contract, not coast and then waiver at the end of the year. Should have said immediately, I'm coming back healthy and ready to win next year. Maybe even acknowledged he didn't earn his salary in 2023 and agreed to reduce salary to allow GB to fill some holes / provide depth for year two of three

Gute said the agreed to contract was NOT a one year commitment, but that is how AR treated it! Stuff happens and that is done -- time now to get a fair trade and wish AR well (and if he does well, compensation increases accordingly).

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dobber's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:07 am

"Gute said the agreed to contract was NOT a one year commitment, but that is how AR treated it! Stuff happens and that is done"

Gutey might have said that, but clearly they left openings to get out...which both the Packers (and 12) are taking advantage of. They would've been foolish not to--even if 12 continued to play well into 2022, the later hits would decimate the ability of management to hold veteran personnel. Your earlier comments about 2022 are important here, I agree, but when they put this deal together the clock started ticking on vesting option bonuses.

We need to remember that the Packers struggling with their cap for paying for their attempts to hold veteran players around 12, not so much for 12 himself--a lot of this can be attributed to ongoing fallout from the Covid cap contraction. Roster erosion from the start of 2022 is/was inevitbale. ARod's cap hits prior to 2024 are all manageable, but the "down the road" structure and options in his contract made it something that would be untenable after more than a year (or maybe two) when the options started to vest--unless they went to the "ARod bank" and moved those around. This was how they made the AAV something that would appeal to 12's ego: note the number of times over his career his contract has been "touched up" to satisfy his need to be paid at (or near) the top of his position.

In the end, saying this was never a "one year commitment" is disingenuous. Yes, the guarantees and monetary value were going to always be there and weigh over multiple years, but there were outs built in and BOTH sides are making these business decisions.

"get rid of players before it’s too late. You don’t want to end up paying a player an overvalued contract in a salary cap sport. "

Ding! Ding! Ding!
This is exactly what the Packers are trying to avoid.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 18, 2023 at 10:18 am

Don't be afraid to move on. If ya break up with a gal...give yourself whatever time ya need.

When ready, leannn into the new lass...and, if the signals are right, give her the tongue with the juicy, saliva-filled kiss!

Pucker up Packer brass, lean into the future. Forget about kissing the cardboard cutout for the past 3 years...

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BoHunter's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:07 am

Rodgers saying he was 90% sure he was going to retire before his darkness retreat is simply a flat out lie. I give that statement a generous 1% chance of being true. If you believe that the Diva 🧑‍🎤 was going to play bridesmaid to the GOAT in the spotlight at Canton I’ll be sitting there with my Rodgers jersey on between Big Foot and Elvis. You’ll be a fine politician Aaron if you decide to get into politics after football.

Cheers 🍻
BoHunter

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6packerfans's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:11 am

Please dont compare Rogers to Favre. Two totally different players. One played for self gratification while the other played because he simply loved the game.

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dobber's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:19 am

I think they both evolved into players that enjoyed the adulation that came with their own status.

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6packerfans's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:53 pm

Disagree, this is what makes America. Too bad Washington hasn't figured this out.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 18, 2023 at 08:11 pm

Where are you 6pack? If close by I want to give you a big ole hug for that one!

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6packerfans's picture

March 19, 2023 at 10:24 am

TN

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6packerfans's picture

March 19, 2023 at 10:24 am

TN

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vin0770's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:18 am

I can’t believe the Jets are doing this…thanks. And I don’t see hardly anyone boldly calling it out what he will be this year! Everything is safely couched in 4 MVPs, Super Bowl winner, etc…yah that’s history I can read too.

But I watched him for 17 games try to be AR of the past and he COULDN’T! The magic of AR were those 3-5 throws a game that were just sick and you’d be amazed how often he could make those. The Detroit game cemented it for me. Thumb way better, in your face rally to the playoffs to tell the media eat me, at home with everything on the line and he couldn’t make those throws…AND THEY WERE THERE!

I don’t think he has it and am willing to make this trade x 100 and dread watching how badly this could play out for AR…he should have listened to his 90% and pulled the plug.

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dobber's picture

March 18, 2023 at 11:42 am

I'm going to say this: I think ARod goes to NY and has a really good season. I think he'll be motivated to show he's not washed, and he will be part of a more complete team with an aggressive coach (Saleh--I've always thought Hackett is a dud) compared to what he'd have in GB.I'm also going to say that I think that the Packers would win more games in 2023 with 12 than with Love, but that's not stepping very far out on a ledge.

I agree with you though: this marriage had played out in GB. He won the battle prior to the 2021 season, and he won again last March. In 2022, he looked like a player who--after earning two straight MVPs and a fat contract--was asked to elevate the players around him and either wasn't interested in doing it or couldn't do it.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:06 pm

I think Rodgers looks like the MVP in 2023 if he goes to the Jets, but a leopard doesn't change their spots, and in a big game in the play offs, he reverts to form and the Jets season ends on a completely unnecessary, ill-advised Rodgers incompletion.

Farve threw gut-wrenching picks when there weren't any open targets on inconsequential downs to end seasons; Rodgers throws gut-wrenching incompletions when there are open targets on must-have-it downs to end seasons.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:07 pm

I really can't please everyone. I mean, look at it: One thumbs up, one thumbs down.

That means 1 person agrees with my assessment of Rodgers' 2023 performance, playing like an MVP and then shitting the bed in the big game.

But, also, 1 person disagrees with my assessment, instead believing that Rodgers will just simply shit the bed all season long.

:) ;) :P

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:13 pm

It all depends. If Father Time decides this is the year then all the motivation in the world won’t do it. Favre lasted another year and a half at his age. Only Brady has beaten that curve. It’s not just arm collapse but injuries that sap performance as well. At some point, and Favre in his last year is a classic example, the body just defeats desire.
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It’s hard to tell to what extent Rodgers has declined physically. Last year could be read either way, depending on how one rates his thumb injury and the poor offensive scheme/calling. It’s not impossible that Rodgers triumphs. It’s not impossible that he’s their Hadl.

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Coldworld's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:13 pm

It all depends. If Father Time decides this is the year then all the motivation in the world won’t do it. Favre lasted another year and a half at his age. Only Brady has beaten that curve. It’s not just arm collapse but injuries that sap performance as well. At some point, and Favre in his last year is a classic example, the body just defeats desire.

It’s hard to tell to what extent Rodgers has declined physically. Last year could be read either way, depending on how one rates his thumb injury and the poor offensive scheme/calling. It’s not impossible that Rodgers triumphs. It’s not impossible that he’s their Hadl.

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Oppy's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:41 pm

It's not physical to me. It's all between the ears.

Rodgers gets in Rodgers' own way of attaining greatness in the biggest moments for the last several years. Ego can be crippling.

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Philarod's picture

March 18, 2023 at 12:49 pm

All in all, this is fair, and I agree that this is all the Packers really owe Rodgers (if, in fact, he's headed to the Jets).
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As a Rodgers fan, I still bristle at the perception of him as not being able to win games. Playing back his whole career, I simply don't think this is true. I know it isn't. Granted, I don't think he played particularly well in the last two season-enders.

I still regard him as the best QB I've ever seen (50-plus years) even though it seems ludicrous when Brady has won 7 Super Bowls to Rodgers's 1. I should say Brady's teams, as Rodgers, in the postseason, in the elements with at best the same offensive supporting cast as Brady, had a much higher passer rating and put up more PPG. There are so many factors at work beyond even what a QB can do -- obviously defense and Special Teams, fumbles, even those stinkin' lost coin flips.

But yes, I just want the deal top be consummated at this point, and will now (if the deal is done) have rooting interests for all three green teams - Eagles (my hometown team) the Pack (honestly, I've always liked the team, but mostly became a huge fan because of AR) and (now) the Jets. (But no, NOT the Celtics).

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Packerbackercat7's picture

March 18, 2023 at 01:43 pm

Should have dumped him two years ago when he said he never wanted to return to Grb. He's been faking it for two years at our expense.

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6packerfans's picture

March 19, 2023 at 10:31 am

The AFC north division is going to embarrass him, unless he sprains a finger 1st.

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Razor's picture

March 18, 2023 at 03:16 pm

Good article! I just can’t get past Rodgers record in NFC championship games of one win and four losses. The win was 12 seasons ago. Two of the four losses were at Lambeau. Talent, for sure. Arrogant and pretentious, too much. BTW Rodgers first season as a starter was 6-10 and I am optimistic that Love will do better. Anyway I’m anxious to see Love and the true MLF offense! Thanks!

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Rhiller's picture

March 18, 2023 at 04:30 pm

If the Packers have the Jets 13th pick and their own 15th they can draft TWO QBs in the first round. That way they can have two more first round picks that contribute nothing.

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