Cory's Corner: The Packers must address Letroy Guion

As much as the Packers want to disregard or give Letroy Guion questions “no comment” answers or more specifically “garbage” responses from coach Mike McCarthy, it isn’t going away.

Not when the nation will be glued to the TV for Sunday Night Football. This game was already a monster because two 6-0 teams are coming off byes and are trying to prove whose team is better.

And now we hear that Guion faced three counts of battery from two domestic violence problems including hitting the mother of his children in the jaw while a member of the Vikings.

McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson had a chance to quell any angst about this by speaking openly and honestly right away. However, they refused to comment for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story and now we wonder why.

Because now would a great time to revisit what the Packer Way means. Explain why Guion is a member of the Packers and if the team even knew about those things that happened from 2011-2013. And if not, why was a newspaper able to dig that stuff up during a bye week and the Packers were unable or unwilling to do it before signing him two months after he was arrested this past February for possessing drugs and carrying $190,000 in cash.

Lots of people talk about the Packer Way. What is that exactly? Is it a win at all costs mentality to make sure that the Lombardi Trophy makes it way back home? Or is it a way of playing and living that mesh cooperatively on the football field?

I understand that no NFL team is going to have 53 choir boys. That just doesn’t happen. You need a few guys with mean streaks that will do just about anything. And let’s not forget that a majority of these guys are coming from pretty rough backgrounds as well.

“Well, I'll be honest, every time he comes down he always brings the best weed you ever smoked in your life,” said Guion, Sr. in the story who had been convicted seven times for cocaine.

What happened in February didn’t happen in a vacuum. It has happened before and the NFL could still punish Guion if the league says that the incidents that took place as a Viking were never disclosed to his team or the league.

Now in this age of instant gratification, everyone wants to see it. Many times you have to snap a photo of something just to prove that you were there. So would Guion be getting the benefit of the doubt if there were video of him hitting a woman in the face or getting pulled over and yelling at the cop, “Do you know who I am?”

The deeper the Packers go in the playoffs, this is going to keep coming up. If the Packers make it to the Super Bowl, guess what will become a topic of discussion at Media Day?

The Packers had a chance to let everyone know what they were thinking when they gave a one-year contract to someone with controversial character.

“We've had people that make mistakes,” McCarthy said during Monday’s presser. “There have been second chances. There's a thorough process that goes on continuously. We're all being evaluated. We all have bosses.”

He’s right. They all have bosses. And each one had a chance to set the record straight instead of hiding behind clichés and double talk.

The Packers are arguably the most revered team in the NFL. The small-town charm has remained going on its 97th season. It’s a testament that the smallest media market for any pro sports team in the country is still received and adored like an extension of the family.

And in order to continue that trust, the Packers have to talk. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Beep's picture

October 27, 2015 at 07:50 am

No reason to talk until the NFL gets involved and suspends him. It's idealistic to think the Packers are going to take the moral high ground on a player that is crucial to the defense right now. If he was a 3rd stringer, maybe he gets cut, but for now, he's going to remain a part of this team. No Packers fans are going to drop their season tickets over this, viewers are going to stay tuned into this addiction we call the NFL.

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Bojan Glisic's picture

October 27, 2015 at 07:58 am

I'm pretty sure that backup DT won't be a topic of discussion at Media Day.

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Evan's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:37 am

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Evan's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:32 am

Exactly what I was thinking.

While Guion is accused of some disgusting things and whether the Packers should continue to support him is a valid discussion, I very much doubt it's going to become a national news story. He's just not a big enough name.

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PackerBacker's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:02 am

I personally think no comment is the right move here. I don't think anyone at 1265 think Guion is an angel. But at the same time all of the new information in that article is old stuff, from before he was even a Packer.
I'm not saying whether he did or didn't do the things alleged in the article. All I'm saying is that the Packers should avoid this completely. I'm sure they're hoping (and since it's all old info, they're probably right) that this will go away if they ignore it enough.
Hopefully the bad press and extra attention will force Guion to take a closer look at what he's done and get his head out of his ass and stop doing these things. It's never OK to hit someone else if you can walk away, especially a woman. He has enough $ now to walk away and not be involved in this stuff any more, hopefully he makes better decisions in the future.

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Ferrari Driver's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:24 am

I'm fully confident that If Guion was presently playing a prominent roll on either the New England Patriots or Dallas Cowboys team, they would immediately send them packing.

Everyone knows winning is a secondary consideration in the NFL. Just look around the league and it's obvious that character and moral conduct is the number one consideration.

YEAH!

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PackerBacker's picture

October 27, 2015 at 09:36 am

Hmmmm, I'm sensing some sarcasm.

At least MM didn't come out minutes after one of his players got in a fight with a coach and call him a great leader. Thank you Mr. Jones.

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Ferrari Driver's picture

October 27, 2015 at 01:07 pm

What makes you suspect sarcasm? Who wouldn't want role models like Greg Hardy, Michael Vick, or even if you want to delve back in time a little...a Lawrence Phillips for the kids to emulate?

As long as money and wins is the driving factor, expect to see some real sleeze bags line up on Sundays

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Bearmeat's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:26 am

While his actions were morally reprehensible, all but the weed and HIS playoff cash and HIS gun in HIS truck happened in 2011-2012. Was he declared guilty? No. He pleaded out and no charges were filed.

Leave the guy alone. IF he messes up again, THEN you fire him. Not before. While not everyone has made the caliber of mistakes that Guion has, everyone has made mistakes. If someone holds something I did 4 years ago up to my face as a reason that I should be fired and I was not convicted for said mistake in a court of law, you'd bet I'm running straight to my lawyer (or I'd get one).

The NFL has no jurisdiction here and the Packers and Guion and the NFLPA knows it. Let the man live his life. Just make sure it doesn't happen again.

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4thand1's picture

October 27, 2015 at 02:47 pm

To be honest with you bear, I'd be surprised if something doesn't happen again. The courts are full of repeat offenders and unfortunately, some guys don't get it.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 27, 2015 at 05:02 pm

And at that point, GB terminates his pay with cause. If he gets arrested AND convicted, then they don't have to pay him and he is the only one responsible for losing his job. You can't change the past. You can only change how you'll act in the future.

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MarkinMadison's picture

October 27, 2015 at 09:10 pm

I'm not sure you're right on the particulars. First, he pled "no contest," and adjudication was withheld. The charges haven't been dismissed yet, per what I could find. If he messes up he could still be sentenced.

Second, the three game suspension at the beginning of the year appears to be for the possession of marijuana in the February incident.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000516924/article/letroy-guions-sus...

The NFL has something to say about it because as a general rule an employer can take a look at a situation that comes to their attention and can still discipline or fire if they can show a relation to work, regardless of whether or not a criminal conviction is obtained. In some cases damage to the reputation of the business can be enough, and this isthe case with the NFL as they are an entertainment business.

So the right answer is that the NFL has already looked at the arrest and suspended him for it. Guion appealed and lost. Now everyone has to move on until and unless he screws up again.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:29 am

It is interesting argumentation, Cory. So, if I understood correctly, if you ever made mistake of domestic violence you are (by your interpretation) not eligible to play any sports ever for any team? Hmmm... I have to admit that I'm one very high on idea that domestic violence would and should be punished everywhere much harder and firmer than it is today. But that is something what makes you careful when you are talking about someones guilt. I know a lot of situation when girl in fear of her parents accuse some guy that he rape her? Or accuse some guy who has money that he is rapist with idea to collect money! And that is what happened with this jaw punch of Letroy Guion. Do you really expect that guy like Guion punch helpless woman in her jaw and do not cause any heavy consequences (like concussion, broken jaw or even worse injuries)? That happened to her boyfriend. Guion was much younger then, so he might learn his lesson from that time. If he did not repeat that I think it shows he understood that was wrong. Next, regarding drug issue. As I understood there is suspicion that Letroy is drug dealers investor. Where is police? Is there enough evidence for that? If yes, why they do not arrest Letroy. If not, why they are giving that information to the public? One policeman says one thing, another says another thing. completely opposite from the first one.
And JSO... Is those reporters or Historians. Maybe Letroy have another felony when he was 5 years old. Are you so firm regarding Letroy because you were stealing chocolate bars from your supermarket when you were 7 years old... Or maybe some old toy car from your friend when you were 8?
And why this story is important now. Why they did not "research" this when Letroy was arrested? It looks to me that than was the time for the story about youth sins, not now...

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Curt's picture

October 27, 2015 at 09:46 am

I agree there has to be some statute of limitations on Letroy's actions - and I presume the Florida judicial system knew all of this when his was pulled over last winter. I also presume the NFL had this information when he was suspended and paid the price in accordance with terms of his employment.

It only goes to reason that unless there is new information here, GB would have no comment as to employment issues beyond what happens going forward. This article wasn't done to inform, just to get a response. Mission accomplished.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 27, 2015 at 09:04 am

I'm a life long fan and season ticket holder but even I know that the whole "Packer Way" thing is a load of PR crap. The NFL is only about winning and, more importantly, the benjamins. Only when these bad actors lose their ability or somehow cut into the revenue streams do they get cut.

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DukeDivine's picture

October 27, 2015 at 09:28 am

Why "must" they address Guion?? This crap happened 3-4 years ago. His recent stuff has been addressed by the NFL and the courts. The guy may be a stalker scum bag but until he does something while a member of the GBP (which he never has, FA in summer 2015) then I believe the NFL's punishment from this past summer are plenty of addressing and the Packers can address current events...

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marpag1's picture

October 27, 2015 at 10:10 am

What a load of crap. If you want a babysitter, hire a nanny. If you want an NFL general manager, hire Ted Thompson. As for me, I'm pretty satisfied with the mythical "Packer Way" just as it is.

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Since'61's picture

October 27, 2015 at 10:46 am

The news about Guion's domestic violence is disturbing.
The reaction thus far by Packer management is disappointing but we should give them the benefit of the doubt as they may be conducting their own due diligence on the domestic violence issues and/or they may have received legal counsel to remain quiet. The problem with remaining quiet is that if you don't tell people the story they will create their own. My question is how were the domestic counts adjudicated? Was the case dropped? Let's face it, if the NFL will allow AP back in the league after whipping his 4 year old child with a switch what can they possibly do to Guion 4 years after the fact? I don't see the point of the Packers doing much about it now either. For the team this is an unfortunate distraction at this time in the season. For Guion it may be signs of an on going pattern of criminal behavior given his recent arrest in Florida during the off-season. Let him play out his contract and release him at the end of the season assuming that Guion can keep himself out of trouble between now and then. Thanks, Since '61

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Bearmeat's picture

October 27, 2015 at 12:26 pm

61 -

I respectfully disagree with your point. Guion allegedly did some morally despicable things. But he was never convicted of any crime. And this happened several years ago. (While he was wearing purple I might add) If he was convicted, then I doubt GB ever even signs him. But he wasn't. The NFL cannot and should not intervene any further.

I agree with MM - this was muckraking journalism by Michael Cohen and the MJS. Guion has already been heavily punished for a moment of stupidity - in one of the most racist towns in the nation I might add. Go look up Stark, FL's crime stats. The police force is... um... well.... intolerant towards the African American population there. (That's about the nicest thing I can say). As it stands, police basically stole Guions' truck, his $200 some thousand of HIS playoff money, AND his legally owned firearm) Taking the weed I understand.

Leave the man alone. If his play warrants it and he doesn't get into more trouble, I would have no problem resigning him at all.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 27, 2015 at 12:56 pm

You have a link that breaks down the arrest by race...all's I get is numbers of how many crimes by category and that whites are a 66% and blacks are 30% of the population.

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October 27, 2015 at 05:09 pm

No I don't Taryn. But I do have many friends in Florida. They ALL know not to speed through Starke. And I've also had people tell me of issues between the police and the black community there.

Just saying. Guion was dumb. But the seizure of his assets is BS, and that area has some serious problems that are larger than him.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 27, 2015 at 05:39 pm

So you don't have any facts that the town is the most racist but simply heresay of friends and that getting stopped for speeding should add even more credence to assumption.

Anytown,USA probably has most of it's crime arrests being that of blacks unless a higher populace of Latino resides there also.

This may be profiling and one may call me a racist, but when 90% of the crimes committed are by a specific race with at times exception....the shoe fits and that isn't based on word of mouth from friends.

Reality wins over PC

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Bearmeat's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:50 pm

sigh...

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WKUPackFan's picture

October 29, 2015 at 07:40 am

Double sigh. Anyone that's paid any attention to the story knows that the Starke cops/judicial system is dirty, it's not a huge secret. Another place to watch is the 6 mile stretch of I65 through Sumner County, TN. The cops there are all Gestapoed up and one of the judges requires all defendants to pass a drug test the day of court. And, yes Taryn, I know this from a friend (who I helped hook up with an attorney down there).

Undoubtably there are many other places in the US just like this. The cops have to do something to justify all the military equipment bestowed upon them. Sumner County is particularly disappointing because my Mother was from there.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 29, 2015 at 10:22 am

I agree with the gist of your comment, WKU. I think you're suggesting that Stark's situation is worse than unfair and is dirty, and racist. I've read enough about Stark to be inclined to agree.

There are many merely unfair police departments. The speed trap business is alive and well. Morrison, CO., a town of 418 people, wrote tickets that realized $1.15 million dollars in fines. It has 20 police officers. Mountain View, CO, a town of 518, issued tickets worth $621,099, which constituted 93% of the town's revenue. See link. I don't know if these towns were also racist/sexist, but I don't doubt that some towns are.

I think it is unfortunate that you decided to cloud the issue with comments about military surplus equipment. That is a separate issue with pros and cons, and about which reasonable people can disagree. I'd suggest that some cities need it, and that most do not need serious equipment. I'd also guess that most of these speed trap areas don't waste those revenues on surplus military equipment. But maybe there is a correlation btw unfair/dirty police forces and military equipment programs due to the mindset of the police, but I couldn't find an article on it specifically.

http://www.denverpost.com/editorials/ci_28126310/limit-cities-reliance-r...
http://www.redstate.com/2015/01/27/police-try-intimidate-google-ruining-...
http://www.speedtrap.org/view/Tennessee/3187
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=207340981

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WKUPackFan's picture

October 29, 2015 at 10:45 am

Fair enough TGR, I'll freely admit to being mainly anti-police. I've seen way too many instances of abuse, large and small, against every race and gender.

I'll also concede that perhaps cities with huge gang or like problems need increased police weaponry. However, I fail to see why mid-sized to small towns need full SWAT gear, M16s, improvised tanks, etc. Additionally, the make up of our policing agencies is problematic. It was well known that the Jefferson County (Louisville) KY sheriff's department had a signifigant "skinhead" population for years. Also, the current Louisville Metro FOP President recently published an open letter warning that any protests against the police would be met with "aggressive action". The police reaction in St. Louis and Baltimore has been similar.

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October 29, 2015 at 09:57 pm

We are all good, WKU. I have had mixed experiences with police myself, with a couple of them being very heavy-handed. I also have a good friend who is associated with the police. I once was assaulted by a crazy person who I had never met nor had any dealings with, and was very happy when the police arrived.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 27, 2015 at 10:29 pm

Florida in general has a pretty rotten set of stats regarding race and criminal prosecution. Feel free to click around the facts for yourself if you are into it.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

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zeke's picture

October 28, 2015 at 01:06 am

90%? Sounds like a lot, but I'm sure you can back that up with solid sources.

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wimiller's picture

October 27, 2015 at 07:02 pm

no way he gets convicted. he played for florida state and was busted in florida. get real. conviction? you kidding me? the guy was dealing or supplying his dad who was. the 190K in cash is so obvious you got to be blind. conviction?

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Since'61's picture

October 27, 2015 at 08:53 pm

Bearmeat - I believe that you and I only disagree on whether or not Guion should be re-signed. I'll give the Packers the benefit of he doubt and accept that they did not know about the domestic violence issues while Guion was a Viking. Now that they do know there's no reason to re-sign Guion based on the level of play he has demonstrated during his time in Green Bay. He's made some plays but the Packers defense was fine while he served his suspension. He can easily be replaced by a player of equal if not better talent. Why re-sign him and then be badly embarrassed when he commits another crime? Can he clean up his act? Maybe. We can draft a DT who hopefully will remain trouble free. Winning is difficult enough without unnecessary distractions caused by a rotational player. Go Pack! Thanks, Since '61

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PaulRosik's picture

October 27, 2015 at 10:51 am

This should not be a discussion about whats legal and that he wasn't convicted. Rich people can always find ways to not get convicted if they do it right.

But as fans we have to stop pretending there is such a thing as the "Packer Way". We have to stop ever being holier than thou and after seeing someone mess up on another team we can't say "well the Packers would never have someone like HIM on their team". Because we have our own woman beating drug dealer on the team and our main concern as fans seems to be whether he's playing well or not.

I have never wanted athletes or other famous people to be role models. But at the same time cheering for this pile of human dirt makes me feel a bit queasy.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm

"And let’s not forget that a majority of these guys are coming from pretty rough backgrounds as well."

This is what makes my skin crawl as it consistently is used for a defense of an action that is not condoned for the majority to do but an almost auto reprieve for an NFL player and even more so depending on player talent level.

Aren't there enough ' PC Cards' in the pockets one can pull out as for defense of a crime.

The NFL has already survived the tidal wave of Domestic Violence in the minds of those that matter...the fans.The 'loophole' for the NFL being the court didn't find Hardy guilty,though he paid off the victim,was enough to change the punishment to a hand slap and then found it of dire need to suspend Brady for longer over an amount of air that no one could feel if it were poofed directly in their face from any means,less the arse as only its odor would conclude air actually came into contact.How and why AP is back and Rice isn't is befuddling except that seeing is believing with Rice(video) and only seeing the marks done by AP is the rule changer,even though an adult could more defend their self against another adult than a 4 year old could ever achieve.

The outrage and accusations of Brady being a 'cheater with air' was more about hating a 'winner' than 'prosecuting' those already shown as losers.

Even the October 'Breast Cancer Awareness' visible showing of support via the amount of pink wore by players has subsided greatly during the month week to week and wasn't close to the advertisement that had been witnessed in the recent years past.

The Packers may have at one time appeared to be of higher standard but recent events,more along the Quarless' incident by not suspending him and getting his court date over with in August,have now opted to use him,injury excluded,to their benefit as long as possible as his court date has been moved yet again for the third or fourth time,which would almost guarantee an end of season team decision regardless of the court decision.

The Packers are simply joining the thinking, the NFL doesn't really care and the majority of Packer fans won't care as long as we win.

I still contend Quarless should have been cut then and if Guion has committed domestic violence and regardless if the Packers just learned of it he should be cut asap.This would offer proof of the existence of the 'Packer Way' if that way is what had been assumed all these years.

You can really only be 'different or above another' unless you act so regardless of the loss that may be incurred by doing so.

What price for victory/glory? Condoning a crime that makes the powerful even more so...as long as your team wins.

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October 27, 2015 at 09:51 pm

When you look at what Quarless did it seems more like he was just an idiot more than anything. He approached two women in a parking lot some time after 5 am on July 4 because, you know, that always goes well. And he was looking good and rolling in his Porsche so he felt good about his chances. Apparently the women didn't like his game and were ignoring him and he didn't take well to that. He went back to his Porsche and got his gun and waved it around and fired it twice into the ground. Cause, you know, that always gets you the attention you want when you do that. The parking lot attendant called the cops and Quarless left the Porsche in the lot, tried to dump the gun in a potted plant, and fled the scene.

It sounds more like a drunken idiot Independence Day thing more than a real criminal act. I do agree there should be some consequences for such an idiotic and dangerous act.

But there has never been a Packer Way. Ranging from Lofton and Eddie Lee Ivery in that bar, to Favre going to Appleton to party so people in Green Bay wouldn't see him stumbling from bar to bar, Chmura and underage partying, Najeh the pooper, Johnny Jolly arrested three times, Ahman Green with a domestic abuse charge and the rest. Guion may up it to a new level but there have been plenty of "boys will be boys" incidents over the years. As long as you're playing well these things never hurt you it seems.

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October 27, 2015 at 11:27 pm

None of the players mentioned (possible exception Davenport) came to GB w/ any off-field issues. The indiscretions happened after they got to GB. So the Packers try to bring in good people and hope they don't have issues. But you can't keep people from making mistakes, and when they do happen, the Packers do the right thing and stand behind them and support them.

Hard as it may seem to believe, the Packers probably didn't know about Guions past domestic issues. Otherwise I doubt they sign him.

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October 27, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Maybe the Vikings covered it up so the attention should be on them instead , if they knew and took no action then there is your story . They should then pay a penalty.

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Ferrari Driver's picture

October 27, 2015 at 01:58 pm

Adrian Peterson motto: "speak softly, but carry a big stick"

If there was ever a player who deserves to be thrown out on his butt, his name is Adrian Peterson.

Leave poor Guion alone.

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October 27, 2015 at 03:00 pm

WTF, we've been harping about how soft the Packers have been in the past. Not mean enough, finesse, now we have a mean bastard and he's to mean? Hopefully he punches Manning in the jaw Sunday night.

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PaulRosik's picture

October 28, 2015 at 03:07 pm

Mean on the field is good.

Slugging a woman in the face is a pile of trash.

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Oppy's picture

October 27, 2015 at 03:40 pm

Alright, let's stop the bullshit right here.

Guion ALLEGEDLY struck his ex-girlfriend in the jaw. ALLEGEDLY. There wasn't enough EVIDENCE to charge him with it.

Guion DID strike her boyfriend in the face, and he needed to go get medical attention. So did his cousin whom he hit in the head in a different incident.

You mean to tell me Guion popped his ex-girlfriend in the jaw and she took the blow better than two full grown men did? You mean to tell me the police couldn't determine whether or not she had been struck in the face by a 325 lbs. man who plays professional football?

Let's not mention that a witness in the apartment complex stated to the police that Guion pushed his ex girlfriend and punched her boyfriend, but did not strike her.

Let's not mention that of the THREE domestic violence charges, Letroy Guion was listed as THE VICTIM of domestic violence in two of them.

Why the EFF do the Packers have to address something that happened to a current player that occurred 2 years before they signed him?

MM had it right, this article really is garbage.

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Oppy's picture

October 27, 2015 at 03:42 pm

...Anyone can ALLEGE anything about anyone. That doesn't mean shit.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 27, 2015 at 05:10 pm

Thank you Oppy. Common sense prevails

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PaulRosik's picture

October 28, 2015 at 03:27 pm

Police still believe he is bankrolling drug dealers and have confiscated his truck and 190 grand of cash. And that happened after he was on the Packers. That is according to a police deposition and a state judge. Or as you call it - garbage.

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Oppy's picture

October 28, 2015 at 10:55 pm

The police holding his money and his truck has nothing to do with their BELIEF he bankrolls drug dealers. They are holding them because they can, because he was in possession of 3/4 lbs. of pot.

Again, the police can BELIEVE whatever they want. Until they can PROVE it, it doesn't mean jack.

When I was in highschool, my small, hometown police department believed my good friend (whose parents moved from the inner city out to the sticks to escape crime) was involved in 'Gang Activity', and also believed the two of us were heading up a stolen car ring. The biggest thing I ever stole in my life was a Slurpee from a 7-11 when I was ten years old, and my friend was no gang-banger.

Paul, perhaps you need to learn about due process and that saying, innocent until proven guilty. It seems you're eager to convict a man in the court of public opinion without evidence and a day in court.

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October 29, 2015 at 10:28 am

He had his day in court and lost. His belongings still are in the hands of the state of Florida.

And of COURSE I am trying him in the court of public opinion - that's what we do here. I think he is a bad dude and I have a right to have that opinion. And he has a right to try to make a living. And I have the right to think the team I root for would do a little better.

Just be honest and admit that if this guy still played for the Vikings you'd be roasting him and making jokes about him.

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Oppy's picture

October 29, 2015 at 04:24 pm

So now you are making judgements about my character without having any evidence or proof as well?

If I read the exact article about Letroy Guion while he was a MInnesota Viking, my reaction would be exactly the same- disgust and disbelief that people could just ignore the facts of the case(s) and just decide to perpetuate the idea that he actually punched a woman in the face, and that he is a chronic woman beater.

Are you projecting here? Not everyone roasts and makes jokes about players from other teams when a story breaks out about supposed wrong doing by them.

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October 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm

There are two things we can be assured of which diverge from Mr. Jennerjohn's piece: a) the Packers, or any team investing more than chump change in a player, had full knowledge of Mr. Guion's alleged and known transgressions; and b) the Journal-Sentinel did not simply come up with the quotes, facts, comments, and analysis during the bye week alone.

If anything, the Thompson Way is the due diligence way. His budget well affords the ability to find out everything Mr. Cohen of the Journal-Sentinel found out. Packers management has known this article was coming for a long time.

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October 27, 2015 at 09:25 pm

One of the reasons why victims of domestic violence recant or minimize is the fear of the consequences to their families if they push forward. Look at the whole Ray Rice deal. We all know exactly what happened, but there was his wife on TV, talking to whoever would listen, begging that Rice be given a second chance to play in the NFL. And with millions of dollars on the line, why wouldn't she?

So here is what you have to ask yourself: Do people who commit crimes still deserve to work? Does you answer change depending on how much money they make? How much they can do for you? How public the job is? How likely they are to repeat as an offender?

At the end of the day Guion will never get a long-term deal with guaranteed money because no one will trust that he won't re-offend during the term of the contract. As long as he is currently not in jail he has a right to earn a living, and even then people get work release. The reduction in money and security is arguably punishment enough. Would I be mad if the Packers let him go at the end of the year? Nope. Would I be disappointed if they kept him? Yup. Does it change my general opinion of the Packers? No, because Guion has a right to work and the Packers have a right to hire him. It's their risk to manage.

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October 28, 2015 at 03:31 pm

Good take. I would say the same. This does not affect my feelings about the Packers, only of Guion himself. Football can attract some borderline personalities and it becomes the team's job to manage them and decide which can meld onto the team and which have to be let go.

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Oppy's picture

October 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

What does victims of domestic violence recanting have to do with Letroy Guion?

Letroy was listed as the victim in two of the three incidents involving his ex-girlfriend (who attacked his current partner, and then attacked Guion as he tried to protect his current girlfriend... both times), and the third incident police did not charge Guion with assualting his ex girlfriend because there was no evidence to support her claims that he punched her in the jaw- no physical signs and also a witness who stated Guion did not punch her.

Sooo.... are you talking about Letroy Guion? Did he recently make a statement that he was never attacked by his ex girlfriend?

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October 28, 2015 at 04:05 am

While I am a little disturbed by the attitude I inferred (perhaps wrongly) from some commenters' posts above, in the end I have to agree that GB should not take any action against Guion based on the known facts.

I first read this on Profootballtalk and thought Guion should be cut ASAP. Then I reluctantly read the JSO article, and thought he should be cut. Then I read the links to the police reports in the article and changed my mind. JSO certainly did not give Guion the benefit of the doubt, but that is why I cancelled my subscription.

Stalking: The DA dismissed the charge due to insufficient evidence. A fair inference can be made that Guion texted a message which included a threat, but the recipient had also texted "argumentative" messages to Guion.

Battery/Cousin: There was a fight. 12 witnesses at the scene refused to give a statement to the police officer. The cousin initially accused Guion but the DA dropped the charges later when the Cousin refused to cooperate. I can't say who started this fight. I believe in the right of self-defense. It is not a crime for Guion to win the fight.

Battery/ex girlfriend/ex's boyfriend: This is a muddle imo. First, the ex per police reports has attacked Guion's current girlfriend and attacked Guion himself in the past. Naturally, JSO never states whether the ex was ever charged. Second, this allegedly happened at the girlfriend's apartment. If so, there might be a number of good reasons for Guion to be there, like he was picking up his daughter. Guion allegedly was revving his car's engine, and this caused the ex and her current boyfriend to come out to "confront" Guion. We don't know if Guion was revving his engine, or whether he did so because he was picking up his daughter and the ex was late in producing her. The ex and her boyfriend "confronted" Guion, from which one might infer that they came outside angry, instead of staying inside and just calling the police (which seems prudent given the history of incidents btw the ex and Guion). I can't judge the credibility of the boyfriend (who came out to confront Guion in the first place and I wonder whether he has a criminal record?) or of the witness who lived in the apartment complex. The ex has little or no credibility in my eyes. Guion allegedly pushed the ex down to the ground, and when she got up hit her in the jaw (but the police did not note any injury to the ex in the report), and Guion allegedly hit the boyfriend. The police noted that the boyfriend had abrasions and he sought medical treatment and has filed a civil suit alleging $53,000 in medical bills, claiming that he may need surgery on his jaw, IIRC. Without interviewing the witness, the ex, and the boyfriend, and doing some background checks on them, I can't tell just how murky the criminal case was. In any event, the DA offered "deferred adjudication" to Guion, under which the charges are dismissed if he engages in no additional criminal activity for 6 months, and apparently if he made restitution ($5,000 for the boyfriend's medical bills). Some may see paying the money and accepting the deal as an admission: that is for each to judge in the court of public opinion. Yet it may have been the smart thing to do, considering how much Guion had to lose with the NFL and with a pending civil case. Even then, the NFL might be taking note of any testimony that comes out in the civil case.

Drug Dealer Financier: JSO decides to mention in the 2nd paragraph of the article (why so early?) that Guion's father has 7 convictions involving cocaine, 4 or more of which were for dealing cocaine. JSO never states whether the dealing charges occurred before or after Guion started drawing NFL paychecks (I am sure that JSO could have run the father's record to determine when the convictions happened and whether tiny amounts were involved or something more substantial, perhaps indicating that the father had access to significant capital). Instead, JSO just leaves the innuendo out there. I read the transcript of the officer whose testimony boils down to hearing from some confidential informants (unidentified, unknown if previous information checked out) said that Guion funded some drug dealers, (mentioning Guion's cousins, the Carters, but not his father - see above). The other evidence was that Guion was driving on a "known drug corridor" which also happened to be in the same county as the city where he was born and raised. FYI, I-94 between Illinois and Milwaukee is a Known Drug Corridor; so is I-43 near Sheboygan. There are probably a lot of these corridors in Wisconsin.

We have discussed the $190K in cash, the 351 grams (about 3/4th of a pound) of marijuana and the gun all found in Guion's car. I won't rehash that. There is a lot of smoke here. Most of it stems from fathering a child with a woman who appears to have issues (not that Guion also does not have issues or at least did not handle it well). He has to deal with her if he wants a relationship with his daughter. I would not cut Guion at this time.

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Oppy's picture

October 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm

Excellent breakdown, you really did your research.

While I don't expect people to go as far as you have in researching the facts behind an article, I would like to think that the average adult reader could sort out fact from inference or all-out twisting of facts to create a desired perception.

Unfortunately, it is clear from people's reactions to this Guion piece in the JSO (and as portrayed by the media in general) that is a far too ambitious assumption on my part- either people haven't the gift of deductive reasoning, or they simply haven't read the source material for themselves, and are simply trusting that the guys on the radio, the guy at the corner bar, or even the guy who wrote this article on CHTV actually have any idea what they're talking about or that they aren't just stirring the pot for the sake of controversy and readership/listeners.

Sadly, I think the average person is simply lazy and doesn't want to be bothered to look into anything for themselves. Easier to just take what is spoon fed and spit up outrage.

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October 28, 2015 at 07:46 pm

It surprised me to no end the Packers kept him around after that FL arrest. It seems he somehow convinced a bunch of fans and the Packers all that mess was somehow innocuous. I don't buy any of it. I think he is thug and the Packers need to part ways. I am guessing the Packers have now come to the same conclusion and have clammed up because speaking the truth is both embarrassing and also legally tricky. They'll let this blow over a bit before sending him on his way.

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