Cory's Corner: Thanks For The Honesty Aaron

Rodgers showcased his love for the franchise and what needs to happen. 

I’ve been saying for a while that all I wanted was honesty. 

And that’s exactly what Aaron Rodgers has given us ever since coming to training camp. He was at the dais on Wednesday when he was asked what this was all about. That’s when an avalanche of feelings just came pouring out. 

“I wanted to help the organization maybe learn from some of the mistakes in the past, in my opinion, about the way some of the outgoing veterans were treated, and just the fact that we didn’t retain a number of players that I felt like were core players to our foundation, our locker room, high-character guys,” Rodgers said, who is entering his 17th season with the Packers. 

That is the mission statement of Rodgers’ rage. He then went on to list 12 former players by heart. Trust me, he has been waiting to say this for quite some time and I guarantee you that after he got all that off his chest, he felt so much better. 

“In my opinion, based on what I've accomplished in this league, the way I care about my teammates, the way I show up in the locker room, the way I lead, the way I conduct myself in the community, you should tie myself to a little bit more input,” Rodgers said. “The rules are the same for most people, but every now and then there's some outliers, guys who've been in the organization for 17 years and won a few MVPs, where they can be in conversations at a different higher level.”

How did the Packers even get here? How did the Packers get to a place where they weren’t even respecting their three-time MVP? I mean, how did the communication get so disjointed? 

Obviously, Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst thought otherwise. “No, I think, you know, Aaron’s had kind of the same input he’s always had, I think, which has been a lot,” Gutekunst said. “He’s earned a place at the table. I think he always has. I think one of the things to this offseason I think is learning how to incorporate that.”

I’m going to side with Rodgers here. If Gutekunst did in fact involve Rodgers in communication with the direction of the organization, then why would Rodgers have so much to say about it? How would he be able to give so many details and list so many former players including Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and James Jones?

Which is obviously why Rodgers was dead set on going after Cobb. Not just because he played with Cobb and not just because both of them are good friends. It’s because deep down Rodgers feels like the Packers owe Cobb after letting him go to Dallas where he had the fourth-best season of his career. 

During Rodgers’ pro career, it has been easy to call him Superman. He has made countless sideline throws — the 36-yard pass to Jared Cook at Dallas comes to mind. He has made miracle throws — take your pick, but I like the 61-yard walk-off Hail Mary to Richard Rodgers at Detroit. He has put the ball in the tightest of windows and sees what nobody else can see. 

But in the end, he isn’t Superman. Rodgers is Robin Hood. He is desperate to correct a wrong that he will do anything to make up for it. Deep down, Rodgers really has a strong love for the Packers and Green Bay and he’s going to do whatever it takes to make sure that success isn’t splintered. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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ricky's picture

July 31, 2021 at 06:38 am

There is a fundamental difference of opinion between the Packers front office and Rodgers, in particular. And the success of Tom Brady in Tampa has been the catalyst for a lot of this discontent, IMO. The Packers are a team that has been willing to get rid of a veteran player a year (or two) too early, and try to replace them with a younger, cheaper version. The team is not sentimental, and for the most part, has been correct in their player decisions. It's not pleasant to see fan favorites be let go, but football is a brutal business, with replacement being a constant in the game. And, of course, Rodgers never addressed the possible solution to this problem: that he take less money (ala Tom Brady) so the team can get veteran players ton short term rentals to fill needs for the team. And when a player in New England becomes too expensive, they're summarily shipped off, and it's "next man up." The result was nine SB appearances, with six wins. Also, let's not forget that Rodgers was the beneficiary of the Packers cutting one of the most popular players in team history. So, yes, he is right. But he is also wrong. How much of each he is will be determined by the individual fan.

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mnbadger's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:04 am

Ricky, both you and Cory are 100% correct, yet come to somewhat different conclusions. Thus, the "beautiful mystery"
I'll stop reading here, as the two of you have clearly outlined the conundrum. If AR12 would have just shared these thoughts in March, the organization and he would all be better off. He's human and IMO made a judgment error. For that, I can forgive him. GPG! but still FAS!

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SanLobo's picture

August 01, 2021 at 01:49 pm

If an employee doesn’t believe management listens to them, they are not going to bring something forward to management.
I believe Gutenkunst has performed brilliantly in building the roster these last three years. But his job is to build a team. I was very surprised when he said he had no idea Rodgers was unhappy until he told them last March. As the new GM he should have looked at the organization, identified the critical people to its success and started a candid dialogue with each of them. As one of those critical elements, he should have brought Rodgers in for a heart to heart discussion within days of taking the job. And then routinely follow-up with all. That is just basic leadership 101 stuff.

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wildbill's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:44 am

Agree with you. When people bring up Brady taking less money to have a better team I think his wife probably making double what he makes helps in that regard. And it’s not like Brady is playing for peanuts either. Taking less money is only effective if it’s used wisely which the Pats and Bucs have done but would the Packers do as well if they ignore Rodgers input?

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:24 pm

Patriots are still paying Brady.

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SanLobo's picture

August 01, 2021 at 04:53 pm

Brady and his wife are worth $600M+. Brady can take an annual compensation of $1 until he leaves football and still retire the richest NFL player in history.

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CoachDino's picture

July 31, 2021 at 05:46 pm

Spot on -

Couple points I don't see being made in the media.

The consensus seems to favor the GM on the decisions in regard to ARs input being different on players let go and correctly so, says history. Now imagine what AR does,feels,preceives when 90% of his input is not taken? It could be much worse. Also if the team knows AR has input how may his teammates perceive him when the tough cuts are made? Could there be blame placed on AR in the club house? Thats what can cause issues in chemistry, beleive me... Its not so different from any business. Sure the employees at ground zero have a fantastic view of how it works at that level. What they don't have is a view of what it takes to put everything together so they can best do the job. Short term / Long term, sacrifices for the future, steps back in order to progress (technology/new scheme) etc.....

AR points are also hollow on logic at times. His whole argument on having a great year and hence wanting more - Uhm - you're under contract, not an hourly employee. When someone on salary has a great year they get a typical raise and any bonuses they met, seldom a raise above the norm. Contract employees get nothing more than the contract.

In the end it was a negotiation tactic that he was successful with. He was stuck for 3 years, he hated knowing that he was replaceable and would be replaced (Who wouldn't). So he was able to cut it down to 2 years, really making it a 1 year if the Packers want any return from a trade. He also negated the franchise tag - thats huge. Then add the PR and somewhat practical nugget of getting Cobb (Hello-he's not trusting Amari year 1, we all know that, its why drafting a WR was ridiculous in terms of instant help) who can be instant impact and a PR win.

The Packers also won as they were making the change anyway, Cobb will be trusted so more impactful and they are perceived as not giving in.

To be honest it was the obvious outcome and one that I stated early on (negotiate for him to remain in 2021 by giving him assurances of trade in 2022 ). Im not Fopotball Contract smart enough to of figured the how. These guys sure were
Kudos to both ARs Agent and the Packers for finding the solution and not allowing ego to screw it up.

AR IMO did show lack of character for, not just honoring his contract and not putting his money where his mouth is in wanting to be more like Brady. SO AR you're not Tom B., you're not the goat, you're not the smartest guy in the room. You are a Superstar QB so of course everyone kisses your butt, W/O those god given gifts, even with your hard work, you're just an average Joe. When you realize that and start acting like it you will have become enlightened. I for one, after all that venting am glad he's back for 1 more year, JL will not be a better option for at least 3 years maybe 2 considering the salsry cap ramifications.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:00 pm

"Then add the PR and somewhat practical nugget of getting Cobb (Hello-he's not trusting Amari year 1, we all know that, its why drafting a WR was ridiculous in terms of instant help) who can be instant impact and a PR win."

Now instead of having tunnel vision on just one guy (Adams) he can have tunnel vision on two!

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fthisJack's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:00 am

Rodgers should put his money where his mouth is. Take a pay cut so they can bring in a player or 2 that will get you a SB. NOT hang on to veteran players that are in decline that he is friends with. Don't like the Cobb deal. IIR correctly, he spend a lot of time on IR. Amari will be everything Cobb was and more.

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canadapacker's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:00 am

Yes Amari will be everything Cobb was and more - but we lost 2 years without a supposed good slot receiver. Dont know what Cobb wanted to stay - but AR is correct - if Management just jettisoned him and if all of the pundits said that we needed to draft receivers over the past 2 years ( and didnt). Then who is correct - AR is. Dont know what and if Management had any input on the roster - dont know what else was going on behind the scenes - but I was surprised that Kumerow was let go. I think that might have been a finger poke into AR's eye. Not that Kumerow was a great receive - but AR and Kumerow had a connection. And how many guys seem to have a better fit on one team than another - a lot. And as far as the TT approach of letting a guy go 1 year too soon - there is a way to handle it and TT was always kind of aloof and distant in his approach both to the media and in general. And besides - TT was not the greatest ever drafter or free agent aquirement GM - Yes CM3, yes Woodson and others - but what about Justin Harrel - Randall Dix Datone Jones, Perry Worthy etc etc. My point being is that Murphy has not led Gutey down the correct path and that is what the top dog needs to do. AR may be a pain behind the scenes who know - but he produces given the talent and play calling - but gets into trouble when that is not there.

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:22 am

Cobb missed most of the 2018 season after a surprisingly good start. There were not too many who wanted to resign him at the time. He got a one year contract for 5 million from Dallas, and that didn’t cause too many to wonder if we should bring him back. Yes he could still play, but he had been serially bedeviled by injuries. Ultimately, availability had ceased to be expected. He was largely healthy in Dallas but had a similar year in Houston to that of 2018.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:05 am

"- but AR and Kumerow had a connection."

Two seasons, nearly 500 offensive snaps, 20 catches, 321 yards.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:41 am

If Rodgers has gone to bat for Janis than Kumerow, I'd have more respect for his thinking. Janis had his issue as a WR, but he came through bigger than Kumerow and we lost our best SPT player by far, and that hurt the team much more than losing Kumerow.

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 06:09 pm

There were suggestions he batted the other way for Janis.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:37 pm

Yeah, he didn't give Janis any support, but Janis deserved a roster spot for his SPT play over anything Kumerow could or would likely have done to the benefit level of Janis for SPTs and the team as a whole. Janis being released was felt immediately of SPTs and haven found his replacement yet.

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SanLobo's picture

August 01, 2021 at 01:58 pm

Janis caught the ball with his body rather than his hands. That limited the throws the QB could make to him. That’s why Rodgers wants receivers who use their hands. They give the QB greater flexibility in how they can throw a player open.

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EricinGB's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:32 am

Hey...do you know where Rodgers currently ranks in veteran QB salary? Of all starting QB's on 2nd or third cotracts, Rodgers is among the bottom with Brady...

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Bear's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:32 am

Not when you include bonuses.

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Oppy's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:15 am

Hey... do you remember when the Packers made Aaron Rodgers the highest paid PLAYER in NFL history in 2013...

...and then when the Packers made Aaron Rodgers the highest paid PLAYER in NFL history in 2018...?

I even heard the Packers just made Rodgers another offer to make him the highest paid player in NFL history again just a few weeks ago, even though Rodgers had a few more years left on his contract.

Crazy, huh?

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murf7777's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:40 am

A bit to confident that Amari as a 3rd round pick is already anointed as a better version of Cobb. Let’s wait till he plays in the NFL, hoping for the best, but he may become no better than average. He will make some good plays. I think he will also need time to develop into the NFL game speed.

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wsn's picture

August 01, 2021 at 11:10 am

I like the Cobb deal, even though he has declined. On this team he'll get a fair share of recovery time/rest, and when in he'll produce. But, what I liked is his connection with amari. Great story. Mvs also praised Cobb's mentorship. My hope is that Cobb will have a positive influence on the other receivers.

But I like seeing the older players mentoring. That clip of Mercedes coaching up tonyan is great to see.

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NJ-RICK's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:06 am

The Packers had two excellent QB's for the past 32 years and what do they have to show for it only 2 Super bowls. Not enough IMO, Packer MGT didn't do enough do provide these QB's with enough Offensive and Defensive playmakers. The Patriots did a much better job of it and their SB record proves it. I followed the Packers during the dry years 1969 - 1994. When free agency & salary cap was implemented in the NFL mid 90's the Packers had a much better chance of acquiring elite talent. They did a good job of it with Brett Farve and should have beat Denver in the SB. But during the years with Aaron Rodgers MGT has not done enough. I agree 100% with what Aaron said. Brady goes to Tampa and they immediately surround him with elite veteran talent on offense and defense and the result is a super bowl victory. Not allowing your MVP QB a chance to to sit at the MGT table and provide some input is WRONG..! And they way MGT treated Brett Farve was down right wrong. A 3rd pick from the JETS for an MVP QB... 65,000 fans one Saturday afternoon in Lambeau field proves me right. No Packer MGT isn't always right...

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:01 am

Interesting that you chose the Patriots as the benchmark for success because they have done the exact opposite of what Rodgers is proposing. New England has been ruthless in cutting veteran players and acquiring new talent which is the antithesis of Rodgers "keep fan favorite aging veterans" approach.

I think part of the problem between the Packer FO and Aaron Rodgers is that the Packers have followed New England's approach to expensive, aging veterans and Rodgers doesn't like it. Hard to have it both ways.......

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:35 pm

The difference is NE Hits on the majority of their Personnel moves while Packertown has a dismal win rate and misses in the draft, especially concerning the defensive side of the ball. They have been fortunate with the QB s and lucky in the draw for Rodgers. The poster is correct in his assessment.

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:51 pm

The discussion was about management philosophy, not the win rate in replacements.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 31, 2021 at 04:04 pm

What is the difference? The GM and Pro personnel is management.

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 04:51 pm

Really? Management philosophy and execution are two very different topics.

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Bear's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:38 am

Tampa was able to surround Brady with elite talent because Brady had a cap hit of 10 million. Rodger cap hit of 38 million doesn’t allow the Packers to bring in elite talent. 28 million difference could bring the Packers elite talent. Rodgers has made over 250 million as a Packer. How many millions does he need to be happy.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:36 am

Tampa has been making this go on one-year deals for some of these aging vets, which means they naturally open some cap space next year, but they're hard up against the cap right now just based on 51. They'll be cutting some salary before camp is out.

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bleedsgreen's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:40 am

Using "it's a brutal business" and "we can't become sentimental" as the reasons why management "had to" do what they did is falling prey to this notion that cutting fast, hard, and painfully is always the best option. It's not. It doesn't make you hard, or smart, or successful to "always be a year early rather than a year late." Because sometimes you're five years early. And sometimes that "one year too late" actually translated into better team chemistry that overall paid off.

None of this is black and white and pretending otherwise is not helpful.

Aaron had a long, long time to bring these types of issues up, considering that he's trying to act as a leader now. During his last contract negotiations when he made bank, were these issues part of the conversation? Why didn't he bring this up then? Was it more inconvenient? If so, then this is much less about honesty and much more about convenience. Less Pro-Packers or even Pro-Labor as some are saying and more Pro-Aaron (that just so happens to overlap with an overdue assessment of management's theory on labor).

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:51 am

I assume he's raised it internally and got an, "I'm sorry Aaron, but it's been the right call most of the time".

I still don't think Aaron plugging for teammates is all that is going on here. It doesn't add up. It's not hard to tell he spent the whole summer with actors.

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murf7777's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:45 am

JJ, your right and we will probably never know all that has transpired. I don’t like Aaron airing out his grievances to the whole world to hear.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:43 pm

Summer Festivus....

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canadapacker's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:03 am

So you know what is going on when AR's agent is negotiating the contracts? Seems that nothing was ever really made public other than guys represented by Rosenhaus

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:07 am

We know that Rodgers was publicly effusive on signing his last one.

“I’ve grown up in this place, and grown older and a little wiser along the way,” Rodgers wrote. “Thank you to our incredible fan base for inspiring us players to be better year after year. Thank you to the Packers organization for standing by me time and time again and giving me the opportunity to lead this football team. And thank you to my teammates along the way, past and present who have impacted my life in so many positive ways, giving me friendships for life.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/29/aaron-r...

People and perspectives change. It’s clear that his has, or at least in public. At this point, I don’t know where it gets us other than that, in 2018 his public feelings towards the organization were gratitude for support whereas they are not now.

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Duneslick's picture

August 01, 2021 at 07:09 pm

Who was 5 years early

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:53 am

Cory sided with Rodgers, I am siding with the FO. Gute has made his mistakes, but I have always found him to be forthright and honest. He stated Rodgers has had input. Cory said "If Gutekunst did in fact involve Rodgers in communication with the direction of the organization, then why would Rodgers have so much to say about it?". Simple answer Cory - Rodgers had input but didn't get his way. Rodgers doesn't want input, he wants decision making power.

Rodgers wanted to keep the 12 veterans he listed, the FO disagreed. The FO was correct (based on post-Packer performance) in most of those cases. The two exceptions being the younger guys - Hayward and Hyde. Rodgers is a HOF QB, but his GM viewpoint is biased by his relationships with his fellow teammates. Rodgers should have input, but not decision making power. Unfortunately Rodgers wants the latter and let his ego play diva this Spring to acquire it.

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canadapacker's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:09 am

Totally disagree - AR had input - if that was a fact why not hide Kumerow on the team - We supposedly really really needed to draft a receiver according to the pundits ( and many posters on this board) - I had always disagreed and even I liked what the Kumerow AR connection brought to the team during preseason. I dont think that AR was maybe disputing the releasing of some guys - as much as the way that it was handled. And nobody could tell me that our D - couldnt have found a fit for Charles Woodson as he played 2 more years in Oakland ( dont know what his salary demands where) but we needed his skills set in some schemes.

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Bear's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:52 am

Kumerow had a great season with Buffalo last year. He had 1 reception!

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canadapacker's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:04 pm

As I said before - some people play better in some systems that in other system and Kumerow didnt fit into Buffalo's system with Buffalo's QB - ever here of practicing together in the offseason - like most QB's and receiver's used to do. My point was and still is - WE supposedly had a weak bunch of receivers ( NOT ) but the pundits wanted us to draft a receiver high for the past 2 years and yet there was not room to hide Kumerow on the 53 considering AR wanted him - think it might have been a subtle reminder to AR - that Gute makes the decisions.

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 04:15 pm

Stashing a player on a roster for non football reasons is and remains a bad idea. Taylor was at least adequate on returns, which Kumerow Is not. If in doubt go with the upside is and always has been the rule. Kumerow had just come off a season where, despite injuries and opportunities, he couldn’t make an impact. It wasn’t due to youth or development, it was just that he’s not really good enough. The kind of guy that would be great in a B league. This has pretty much nothing to do with the system in Buffalo or New Orleans, the two teams he was on last season.

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:56 am

Welcome to disagree, but Kumerow really doesn't help your argument given his career post Green Bay ( 1 reception in Buffalo) and he wasn't one of the guys on Rodgers' list of twelve mistreated vets. I think Rodgers liked the fact Kumerow was a serious, try hard guy; but Kumerow was not an NFL grade WR.

It is the GM's responsibility to evaluate talent and the correct decision was made in Kumerow's case despite Rodgers' lobbying.

You could argue Woodson's and Cobb's cases as mistakes, but I believe they were more about value for the dollar than inability to play (a al Kumerow).

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canadapacker's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:05 pm

See the above - as I am not going to repeat it .

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 04:59 pm

We agree to disagree.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:12 am

I think the breaking point was Cory Linsley. ARod and Linsley were close friends, and Linsley never got a phone call from the Packers as his contract was coming up, even when he had one of the finest seasons of his career.

I'll go the other way on this. Why would the Packers--full well knowing they couldn't afford to bring Linsley back--string him along with unacceptable offers? On others: if a player is no longer a scheme fit or no longer provides skills at their peak, why make offers you have no hope or expectation they'll accept?

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:01 am

Good point Dobber although I have never really understood the NFL penchant for not telling a player they simply can't meet his salary demands and then wish him luck in free agency. I suppose it looks like burning the bridge when the player might somehow come back, but I find no communication to be more insulting than simple honesty.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:18 am

True...the Packers had a long-running reputation under Thompson/Ball for low-balling players, which I think is the highest form of disrespect. I don't believe that "no communication" ever really happens. I think there's likely some brief communication between agents and front offices and the team's intentions are made clear. Any agent who DOESN'T communicate with a team in that last year of a deal isn't doing his job.

Front office personnel are always going to play their public statements close to the vest. We rarely hear about players being asked the question: has the team talked with you or your representation about their intentions? It's almost always: have you had contract talks?

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Michael Nault's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:34 am

I totally agree.

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Rebecca's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:55 am

This article will bring out the whiners and screamers.

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:04 am

Or some intellectual discussion now that Rodgers has finally spoken about what his concerns with the Packer front office are.

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July 31, 2021 at 10:50 am

"This article will bring out the whiners and screamers." And trolls (Rebecca)

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stockholder's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:03 am

Yes! Good for Rodgers. We saw the moves. And most were tied to the cap. But what Gute did with Bulaga, Cobb, Linsley, Nelson, Williams. And almost Jones. Was why he had enough. How many RTs,Wrs, RB,OL, did Gute come up with, instead of just signing what he had? Yea out with the old and in with the new. TT was forced to do it. And with the draft and development he still came up short. So how can they just let All-Pros leave ? They wanted to be here. Well the obvious to me was the glory of Gute. But the guy behind the scenes is Murphy. He just couldn't stop throwing gas on the fire either. Instead of keeping his silence about the negotiating. He's ready to show his stick. Maybe #4 just brought up old wounds/thinking. But Gute did make blunders. Good players still know how to play. Lesson Learned. But I doubt you'll teach this FO anything. It isn't fun when your friends leave. It's a burn out. And when he became union rep. The Agreement/ Rules don't allow change. Rodger's is a Packer hero. He is a player that commands respect. The best way to enjoy the Packer games, is to stop thinking like management. And believe in heroes.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:53 pm

Time for the C4 and the Demo crew to take out the silos and the rancid silage. Condos with a view of a brick facade and chain link fencing. Sure, dude, they are the 8-10 game cabins for the affluent to hive in and/or lease to opposing fans along with the green and gold season tickets brokered to pay the property taxes.

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Lphill's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:19 am

Letting Charles Woodson go was just stupid .

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:38 am

Hindsight is 20/20.

2012 was Woodson's least productive as a Packer and it wasn't even close. He only played in 7 games and had a broken collarbone. He was 36 and very few DBs play at a high level at that age following a serious injury.

And it wasn't like Oakland rewarded him with a big deal. They signed him to a one year contract.

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:41 am

I’m sure the heavenly choirs remind TT of that frequently. He probably points out that he was the one who brought him here for his career years. One act of inspiration and one mistake. Maybe I’d have taken that back in 2006.

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:36 am

I suppose it is possible that getting it off his chest is cathartic. Quite honestly though, I don’t think a lot of what he said helps his case. He wanted more money, he wanted players retained that, for the most part, have proven to have been let go at the right time. Those that were not chiefly fell in a period which we now know was after TT had declined but before the current GM or his pre amendment current contract.

The reaction is interesting given the content. Just as in the Favre era there is a lot of emotion and a clear contingent that see Rodgers as either unimpeachable or simply deserving of sufficient deference to get him to play. Others just view winning now as the only thing worthy of consideration and that that means we should humor Rodgers at any price because he is critical to that. Yet more look at what he said and wonder if this is actually a viable rapprochement even in the short term.

There are, I am sure, other shades, but the point is, the only unity I see in the fan base is for this year. We are agreed, mostly, like it or not, like Rodgers personally or not, that this is the strongest roster in years and this is likely the strongest it’s going to be given cap and age. One thing Rodgers press conference clearly did not do was unite either him with the FO or the fans among themselves.

He’s back. Hopefully what happens now is driven by what goes on the field. Let’s move on from these discussions. They aren’t productive, they are divisive and ultimately futile. Camp is underway, let’s talk football and get back to being focused on what might well be the last hurrah for this group. Rodgers and the team will do what they will after the season, right now we need to play, the roster is pretty much assembled (or will be from this 90).

Time to move on, stop debating or writing about Rodgers’ state of mind and focus on current players, the roster, coaches and camp. Rodgers is our starter this year. That is now settled. Let’s look to what he has around him and what it should look like and who should be part of it and why. Let’s talk, and write, about football until after we win the Super Bowl.

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murf7777's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:52 am

Amen….

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:08 am

All excellent points CW. I think the only reason this still lives is that we finally know what Rodgers was really thinking courtesy of his recent presser. And yes, it is time to move on to real football.

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:22 am

I agree on why it’s been the hot topic. By now the gamut of views have been aired. I don’t see a lot of conversion or coming together. Rodgers is here and he’s going to start. We all know that, now let’s start looking at the rest of the team. We can’t win without it and this is primed to be a really interesting camp. Been here, done that. Views stated and not changed, now let’s accept that and move on. The time is right: pads start to go on now. Time to enjoy football and not talk about talk.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:26 am

" we finally know what Rodgers was really thinking courtesy of his recent presser."

I won't say that there weren't statements that rang true in #12s statement, but I think it would be naive of us to think that what was clearly a very prepared statement from a smart individual with a track record of manipulation and a vested interest in salvaging and preserving his public image is giving us all of what was motivating him.

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Guam's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:06 pm

Agreed that is wasn't all he was thinking, but it was the first and only insight directly from him. At least it eliminated the insanity about his girl friend determining where Rodgers would play or some of the other equally crazy stuff. Rodgers wants what Brady has in TB. This next year should be interesting.........

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:41 am

"I suppose it is possible that getting it off his chest is cathartic. Quite honestly though, I don’t think a lot of what he said helps his case. "

If it felt more spontaneous...if it felt like he was giving us an honest outlet and response to months of frustration and not a prepared statement...then the whole thing might feel like a "moving on" point. His statements about wanting more say because of his insight fall short when he feels he needs to teach the Packers a lesson in handling players by bringing back Cobb. Maybe Cobb ends up being an invaluable guy in 2021, but instead it shows that ARod--asking for more input--doesn't understand roster management.

"Time to move on, stop debating or writing about Rodgers’ state of mind and focus on current players, the roster, coaches and camp. Rodgers is our starter this year. That is now settled."

Agreed. Time to put it on the field and make it work...they have to: this power play has made sure that whatever planning was happening roster-wise has largely blown up. There's even more pressure on this team to produce a title, and that more than ever includes #12.

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Swisch's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:51 am

A thumbs up from me, Coldworld, as mostly agreeing with your fine comment.
In general, you are an excellent source of reasoning and insight here at CHTV.
I will, however, try to make a plea for those of us who continue to analyze this situation with Rodgers at least a little longer.
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I was ready to move on before his depressing press conference of this past week when he not only stabbed the front office in the back as a cold and calculating discarder of our cherished players -- but also showed little enthusiasm for rallying the Packers to the Super Bowl. He barely recognized the front office for signing Randall Cobb when it seems we are loaded with talent at the position of wide receiver. The regime is so evil that he can only tolerate it with a professional relationship -- apparently hoping to never have to endure the awkwardness of passing our ogre of a general manager in an uncrowded hallway.
In other words, we are left to wonder if the enigmatic Rodgers really wants to be here with the Packers, or if there was just no other alternative that was tenable.
What a downer just when fans were ready to downplay the past and focus on the future. I was glad to have Rodgers back for the couple of days after he was signed before his poisonous presser; now I'm hoping there is some way he can be traded as soon as possible.
It is because of Rodgers that the past has seemingly become prologue to a winter of his discontent and possibly a resulting team discord. Perhaps he pulls himself together and lifts up the team and us as fans, but it's him who has roiled the waters with disturbing muddiness.
So it may be worth hashing this out a little more. After all Rodgers -- by his own inflated estimation -- is the key to the success of the Packers. I do think most of us would be in some agreement with him, though, and view his attitude and stability as critical.
If Rodgers settles in and sticks to the considerable challenge of being the quarterback for the Packers and leading us to our first Super Bowl in more than a decade, then maybe we can put his wearisome but self-perpetuating melodrama mostly to the side.
I certainly hope so.

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jurp's picture

July 31, 2021 at 03:00 pm

If you read a least some of what he said, rather than watching the press conference, the language he used was incredibly self-serving, IMO. He was NOT honest about his feelings and is in GB only because he has to be. He wants to stick it to the Packers, but is in a quandary because he's still tied to the team and its results for this season. If he doesn't have a great season for whatever reason, or if he even just fails again in the playoffs, it's a sure bet that he WILL trash the team next year. And if for some reason we actually win the SB, then he will take ALL of the credit for it.

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EricinGB's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:41 am

Spot on article...and supported coments from other NFL players praising Rodgers for speaking intellegently and truthfully reguarding culture...Rodgers not just the leader in the Packers locker room, but becoming recognized by past and present NFL players across the league for stepping up and speaking honestly...not for himself, but for the benefit of the Packer organization as well as players.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:57 am

I know at least 2 players who would disagree with your proclamation - Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:15 pm

Wow...a grand total of TWO players after 16 years! With one of them being a total headcase.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 05:55 pm

Two excellent Packers players who played with Rodgers and didn't wait 16 years to speak up. Also it is extremely naive to think that these are the only 2 players who didn't think that Rodgers was a demigod.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:51 am

" for the benefit of the Packer organization as well as players"

In my experience as a college teacher, that student who comes forward to "speak for the class" about things they don't like--usually a pretty bright kid with a chip on his/her shoulder-- is virtually always speaking only for themselves. They're full of shit. They aren't doing it for the good of the class, they're doing it to manufacture some kind of advantage for themselves.

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jurp's picture

July 31, 2021 at 03:01 pm

Absolutely 100% spot-on.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:42 am

Two players were not on the mistreatment list:

Jake from Whitewater and Josh Sitton. Curious.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:45 am

I get what Rodgers is saying and I get that he took a stand to change what he believed to be needed and he used his status to get it done. However, the players he listed, less Hyde and Hayward were all deserving to be let go, Nelson is a toss-up and could have been retained for a 2-year deal, but make no mistake in that all the others merited release, either due to the salary demand and/or the lack of productive play with some showing a decline yearly and riding the coattail of their former selves.

The other issue with Rodgers is that he hasn't been able to attract the elite, though GB creates the illusion of a player becoming elite after he arrives, especially if that player exceeds the play of the former 'elite' designate based on the productivity of the formers worse play.

What elite player has come to GB while in their prime since Rodgers became an assumed elite attraction in 2011 with the SB victory? Perhaps my memory is fading, but I can only think of those that GB drafted and turned elite or were made so by the fans that suffer delusions via their blind optimism.

No, Aaron Rodgers, your belief that players come to play for you is a delusion on your part and some fans, but you should have said you were the reason some players acquire elite status while playing with you, but you surely haven't gotten any to come to GB, and part of the reason is GB isn't a 'vacation resort' and you aren't enough to overcome that in other players of status to endure.

Naturally, getting past the prime players isn't an issue as they just look for the overpay for a couple of years of useless service.

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Bear's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:59 am

Nicely stated.

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Oppy's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:36 am

To be fair, it's probably not that Rodgers can't "attract elite players" as much as it is that the Packers prefer to develop their own talent and reward their own homegrown talent with big 2nd and 3rd contracts than take risks giving huge contracts to outsiders who they don't know intimately.

It's actually one of the things that goes completely against Rodgers' take on how the Packers don't respect their own.

Rodgers, for as bright as he is, simply doesn't understand the business of football seemingly, and can't separate his desire for what he considers "respect" and the organization's need to operate the business without dangerous sentimentalism.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:22 am

"To be fair, it's probably not that Rodgers can't "attract elite players" as much as it is that the Packers prefer to develop their own talent and reward their own homegrown talent with big 2nd and 3rd contracts than take risks giving huge contracts to outsiders who they don't know intimately."

The biggest and most definitive reason for the Packers' dedication to be a pure Draft and Develop Organization is the fact that they cannot bring in the prime 'elite' players regardless of the QB, and all the perks offered to players. It's more likely that our best drafted will leave after one contract and extension than will come to GB when leaving their drafting team and getting the same as GBs. The Smith boys came not as 'elite' players though overpaid to come, and they achieved 'elite' status in GB, (though realistic thinking knows it's been a 1-1.5-year thing), as spoken to in my previous post, a GB fan belief.

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Oppy's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:42 pm

Yeah, no.

There's not a bunch of "Elite" players saying, "Green Bay Packers? Hell no."

I appreciate your constantly trying to paint Green Bay as a town and a team incapable of interesting great players to play here, but there's been elite players who have openly talked about wanting to play in GB, or being disappointed GB didn't pursue them in FA.

The draft and develop philosophy isn't about "Can't convince talent to play in GB", it's about creating and maintaining a carefully balanced culture and being very, very selective about who you let into that sphere.

The outside players who DO end up in green bay love it here, and they're pretty vocal about it both when they play and after they retire. Green Bay is a destination for players, has been for over 20 years now. That's a fact.

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stockholder's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:39 am

Taryn I don't agree with the other issue:. "--- Rodgers is that he hasn't been able to attract the elite." Look what the bears paid for mack. And the smiths, Amos and maybe turner wouldn't have come here. And then there is Watt. Who they couldn't afford. It takes a GM who wants too. Wolf brought in White. The best TT move was Woodson. You say Rodgers, but Gute still hasn't won a super-bowl with any of his moves. CM3 could have helped just as much as Cobb will. Yet nothing. The one way street is obvious in Title town now.

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:57 am

"And the smiths, Amos and maybe turner wouldn't have come here. "

The only player in that group who is close to elite is Z, and the general consensus at the time of all of these signings was the Packers had to overpay to get them. You can argue that they came to play with QB1, and I won't doubt that he had something to do with that, but they came for the coin.

Imagine if they were flops? The general consensus has been they've all proven to be good signings. Just by recognizing those guys, you're putting a feather in Gute's cap...that must pain you severely.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:00 pm

Look at the 'elite' players that went to Chicago than to GB. They all had to weigh the same points.

1) Rodgers, less money, Green Bay social life.
2) Cutler, more money, Chicago, major social life.
3) Any Chicago QB, more money, Chicago social life.

This can be fill in the blank with any other scenario and tell me who didn't select elsewhere over Rodgers, less money, and the incredible GB social life? Now tell me how Rodgers attracts players. Rodgers wasn't and still isn't enough to make the persuasion. Peppers chose to play 4 years with Cutler than Rodgers, prime years, but GB got him for nearer to his end, and then he went to Carolina who had a great defense and he looked good for another season because of the Carolina in place already defense, not because he was still 'elite' as like GB believed and still have to believe today to cover up the mistake in the first place.

Watt had no intention of coming to GB and used it to get his money up.

Whether you blame Rodgers or Gute, the point is elite players don't want to come to GB. Reggie and Wolf was the start of FA and is the GB lucked out. The Packers were the only team that made an offer to Woodson and even he said he didn't want to come, but his agent convinced him it was all he was getting and go make it work, and again, luckily for GB it did.

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Todd's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:57 pm

Disagree with you on CM3. Loved him as a player. However, he was definitely in decline, cost a ton of money, and in the year after he left, he didn’t do much with the Rams, got hurt, they cut him, and no one has picked him up because he’s in decline.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:40 pm

Matthews certainly was in decline and it showed every year after 2013, which I believe is when the PED usage hit the fan, and Matthews though not instantly as he did have the ability, was losing the double team requirement and eventually began being stopped by TE's, and being forced to rush from a bigger circle instead of a more direct route to the QB. The move to ILB was more about covering up his decline than bolster the ILB position. The Rams thought him still a player and later than sooner realized the mistake and proving he had nothing left to offer anyone even as a decent backup. GB made Matthews more than he was for a few seasons. Matthews extension was based more on keeping a falling fan-made legend than a player that actually was worth the extension.

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Todd's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:21 pm

I’m glad you brought up Rodgers’ “they come to play with me” statement, Taryn, which doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of focus. If they wanted to play with him so badly, woudn’t they be willing to take a lesser deal? Yet, it seems like almost always when the Packers missed on an offensive skill position free agent, that player went to the team that offered the most money. Which is essentially what every NFL player talks about: make the absolute most money you can get, even if it means leaving for a lesser team.

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GregC's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:18 am

I didn't think Rodgers was coming back because I didn't see a way for him to save face if he came to an agreement with management. But the press conference showed that he could handle this situation brilliantly or just plain ruthlessly, depending on one's point of view. I wonder if management knew that he was going to stab them in the back at the earliest opportunity. Possibly not. It generally goes without saying that when you come to an agreement with somebody you don't immediately trash them in the press. But that's what Rodgers did, and judging by the public response, he completely pulled it off. He really knows how to pull people's heartstrings by talking about well-respected players who were not offered contracts when they were on the downsides of their careers. The vast majority of fans and pundits don't seem to be bothered by the fact that most of those decisions by management were correct.

One question I have about all this is how much pull other star players have with their front offices. I don't think Tom Brady had any decision-making power with the Patriots. What about Ben Roethlisberger? Is he making decisions on which players the Steelers sign? How about Phillip Rivers when he was with the Chargers? Or Patrick Mahomes with the Chiefs? I doubt that these guys have any real say in personnel matters, but I really don't know, and I haven't heard any information or even speculation on this matter. I would be interested to read an article about it, if there is one out there somewhere.

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Todd's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:35 pm

Something I’ve wondered about re: Brady has all this pull with the Bucs’ FO, is it overstated somewhat? They probably did ask him about players or he approached the FO about players. However, the difference with the Bucs was they were in great salary cap position already—almost the opposite of the Packers—and could go after players Brady wanted. The Packers on the other hand have been somewhat cap limited for several years now. And it’s going to hit again with Davantae as he goes after being the highest paid WR. There’s only so much maneuver room in the cap when you’re paying so many players like the Packers have had too to keep them (e.g., Rodgers, Clark, Bak, Jones, Smith brothers, and coming up Adams, Alexander, Jenkins). The Bucs where in a very different cap place when Brady came to them.

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GregC's picture

July 31, 2021 at 03:53 pm

Yeah, Brady went to a team that had built itself up with high draft picks after several losing seasons and had hired a good coach. Gronkowski was brought in because of Brady, but that made sense because he still had something left in the tank when he retired, and he had great chemistry with Brady. Certainly Brady-Gronkowski was a far more successful duo than Rodgers-Cobb ever was.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:33 am

Really, we're into the first week of training camp - enough of these conspicuous click-bait articles.

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GregC's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:49 am

This is a really big deal, and it happened just a few days ago. It's exactly the sort of thing that should be written about and discussed on a site like this. I hope it gets dropped at some point, but we're not there yet, and unfortunately it is liable to be revisited many times during the season.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:54 pm

I'll have to disagree. There is nothing from Rodgers presser that we haven't heard before - a misdirected monologue about nebulous issues - that actually is an attempted validation for Club Rodgers - in the guise of culture, communication and community. It's elitism in a brown paper bag.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:24 pm

...and look who clicked.

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:17 am

Actually O I thought Rodgers came off like a horses ass! full of himself and Hair Bun Ego! His greed in salary has been one of the biggest reasons some if not all those guys were low balled and forced to leave! Guy wants people to hang around but he can't keep a relationship with girl friends and his own family Doubt he ever marries this present one!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm

Up to now I would agree with your assessment of Rodgers relationship history. However, this time he selected someone out of his peer group - the younger Ms. Woodley. Partly because I think that he's experiencing a pre-midlife crisis. But also he plans on having a child/children so as to propagate the Rodgers species - much the way the Royals do. So should she be able/willing to have children - a marriage is likely. Should she not - the same fate awaits her as those before her.

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:41 pm

Good correlation.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:27 pm

You seem creepily obsessed with his private life and hair.

Maybe get a hobby?

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 03:34 pm

And you seem to be with me.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 05:07 pm

His private life and "hair" are all symptomatic of larger psychological issues which have created this maelstrom - which he has largely created. Generally speaking, most people focus on "effect" not "cause."

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 05:34 pm

His hair is "symptomatic of larger psychological issues which have created this maelstrom".

Ok...lol

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 06:23 pm

Ok, it seems that you are having difficulty seeing the forest for the trees. IMO Rodgers is exhibiting an early midlife crisis - most likely due to his physical aging - ergo - the hot younger girlfriend, swanky new Malibu beach pad, sudden changes in appearances (like a man bun) etc. Moreover he/she may be prone to drastic actions for little or no apparent reasons. Sounds familiar?

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 06:48 pm

Some people like 13 are a little slower on catching on to things! He can be excused for now!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:00 pm

What things would those be? Enlighten me.

I just think it's incredibly weird that one man is fixated another man's hairstyle.

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:10 pm

You still don't get it do you! It is not the hair do, it is what it stands for!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:24 pm

And what does it stand for? Again....enlighten us.

And instead of deflecting nonsense....what exactly does it stand for, and why are you so obsessed with it. I can understand ONE humorous comment on it...but to include it on almost everything you post on here?

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:33 pm

If it bothers you so much simple, quit reading what I post! It is quite simple figure it out, I am done teaching!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:38 pm

So you have no answer, which is what I thought.

You're done teaching....that's funny. When did you start teaching. I kind of missed that part.

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:42 pm

Really?

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:44 pm

Really? So you don't know what teaching is either I see! You need to get educated!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:49 pm

I keep asking you...educate me, enlighten me. But you never do.

Here's your big chance. Tell me what his hair has anything to do with anything. Teach me.

The floor is yours.....

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:14 pm

Teaching has someone doing their own research to learn new knowledge. Get the hint!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:29 pm

So nothing....big surprise.

I'm supposed to research why you're obsessed with another man's hair? I swear, you can't make this shit up.

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:37 pm

No you are the one who is possessed with what I say! That is the shit you make up! Hint look up what a hair bun represents! The part what women think of men who wear them! Now leave it alone and good bye!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:53 pm

Ah, so now it comes out. It's a gay thing.

If having a man bun got him Olivia Munn, Danica Patrick and Shailene Woodley, maybe you should consider it. But, of course, you've done much better with your manly hair.

Right...lol

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:56 pm

Guess you don't get it, absolutley nothing about being gay which Rodgers isn't! Boy you have a prejudiced and warped mind! Like I said look it up!

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:07 pm

You're the one who judges a man by how he wears his hair, but I'm prejudiced. Right.

I have no interest in looking "it" up, considering I have no clue wtf "it" even is, and how it affects the Green Bay Packers. I'm done wasting brain cells on this. You stay obsessed with his hair.

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Packers0808's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:13 pm

Hopefully that means you will no longer be obsessed with me! Thank God it has ended! {I Hope}

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:03 pm

"Sounds familiar?"

Nope, can't say that it does. As far as his swanky new beach pad, (a) he bought that with his past gf and (2) what type of house would you expect someone making north of 30 mil a year to purchase? Have you seen Brady's crib(s)? Is he going through a midlife crisis as well? His "hot younger" gf. He's 37, she's 29. Wow...huge age difference. The hair thing....sorry, got nothing. You'll have to get together with 0808 on that one.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:21 pm

So I understand that I'm not able to help with your cognitive constructs. Perhaps St. Jude?

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:25 pm

So in other words...you got nothing. Lol

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Since'61's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:01 pm

13Times, let it go. I’m just grateful that we never had to go back with 0808 in the Nam because we would have been completely on our own brother. He would have been busy checking out everyone’s hair when the shit was hitting the fan. Semper Fi brother. Thanks, Since ‘61

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 01, 2021 at 08:36 am

Sorry, got a little carried away with it. I just have little patience with nonsense.

You have a great day!

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Since'61's picture

August 01, 2021 at 10:27 am

No worries 13Times. I've been there as far as the frustration goes. I don't suffer fools well either. You have a great day as well. Thanks, Since '61

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ImaPayne's picture

July 31, 2021 at 10:49 am

Heres the irony if you will. First, this is a small market team. No big pocket owners who can take a loss. Packers must balance the books and then some.
This forces them to do contracts different them other teams and are reluctant to back load but rather pay up front.
This forces them to either pony up to the bar and pay going rates of other teams or lose the player in bidding wars. The later has been going on for decades, we lose talent and Rodgers is dead on about this.
What he aint saying, Tom Brady took less money then he was worth to allow the team to buy these players. Rodgers is the PROBLEM that causes us to lose these guys, we cant afford them with his huge salary. End of story.,

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:39 pm

"Heres the irony if you will. First, this is a small market team. No big pocket owners who can take a loss. Packers must balance the books and then some."

Owners don't take losses, they may get different profits because the salary cap money is guaranteed to each team from the money the League earns by each teams contributions via merch sales, ticket sales all revenue streams and some of the lower contributors get less profit after the salary cap money is distributed to each equally, the League takes its cut for ORG needs, and why Owners cannot reach into their pockets and spend more than another. The salary cap increase/decrease is based on the revenue garnered League-wide and the remaining profits after all expenses are shared based on a contribution by the team. GB has never failed to contribute enough to not get a good profit share unlike that of Jacksonville who more often than not needs a helping hand to survive, and why teams eventually need to move to a more possible money-earning city.

The use of the salary cap is all on the teams' FO. There is no allowance to take from the Owners pocket. You sleep in the bed of catastrophe that each makes for themselves.

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Swisch's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:36 pm

So Aaron Rodgers is a working-class hero making a stand for all of the forsaken and forgotten Packers who have been so dedicated to the team but then thrown to the curb by a miserly management?
It seems to me like it's probably emotional and manipulative drivel, or a grandiose delusion of nobility in defense of the lowly laborer in the trenches. Maybe a mixture of both, but in any case self-serving.
As Coldworld points out above, Rodgers had no trouble signing a massive contract with this heartless front office just three years ago, after many of the players he refers to had already been purged so unceremoniously, and even so cruelly.
That was 2018, when Brian Gutekunst was named general manager. Should Gute be blamed for the players who who were supposedly abused previously? Since then, he has re-signed Bakh and Clark and Jones so as to seemingly take care of our own. Is that a significant indication of his good character or merely a charade?
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Let's investigate. With the help of knowledgeable followers of the Packers, let's go player by player as listed by Rodgers, plus any others, and see if they were mistreated by the front office. Let's look at what they wanted from the Packers at the time of their dismissal, and what they were offered. Let's look at the tone of the negotiations as far as respect and appreciation both ways.
If possible, let's talk to players about their experiences with the front office, and let's try as best we can to get the side of the front office in each of these stories.
Perhaps before he became GM, Gute was a henchman in the front office for a couple of years as director of player personnel, abetting the atrocities against players -- and then became only more cold and calculating after his rise to power. Or is it remotely possible that all along Gute has tried to treat our guys with genuine good will?
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We often hear players in pro sports say it's a business as they leave a team for greener fields to the heartbreak of fans. After all, they have to take care of themselves and their families, and you can never have too many tens of millions of dollars in the bank. It's also about respect, say the players, the organization has to show it values them in cash.
Even now, it may be that Davante Adams is telling the fans he's outta here unless he's given a new contract as the highest-paid receiver in the league. Maybe it's just a smart negotiating tactic on his part, but maybe Davante is not all that attached to Green Bay if it comes down to more moolah.
Another note is that these aging players in many cases don't seem willing to acknowledge how far their worth to the team has dropped in their declining years. If they are willing to take smaller salaries to reflect their increasing risk of injuries and decreasing skills, then I'm all for keeping them as long as possible as a matter of loyalty, and for the character and experience they will continue to contribute along with their remaining talent still considerable.
It seems a matter of fairness to teammates that these veterans don't take up too much of the salary cap as they account for less production on the field. It's also a matter of fairness to fans that the team develops and retains younger players so that the Packers continue to flourish on the field.
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I'm usually for players over management. For example, I'm concerned about adding another game or two to the regular season as being too much physical punishment for the players. I'm concerned about Thursday games, although I like them as a fan and wonder if they could be timed with bye weeks to lessen the blow.
I'm concerned about loyalty to veterans already on the Packers who have become cherished parts of our community as fans. I'm also concerned about the younger guys who don't make tens of millions of dollars in their careers and perhaps must deal with the effects of serious injuries afterward.
I'm all for unions and other cooperative efforts among employees. However, unions that are originally good in protecting and promoting workers can become corrupt in exploiting workers for the benefit mostly of the union leaders.
The union can in effect become a crooked corporation in itself that bullies other workers to fall in line.
It seems that Aaron Rodgers is himself a corporation of massive resources and significant sway. Whether or not he is using his power for the good of his teammates is the question at hand.
Again, I tend to seriously doubt his status as a folk hero for the rank-and-file players of the NFL. It seems like a sham of self-absorption and self-delusion on his part. He seems at the least melodramatically misguided in using his teammates past and present to justify his own willfulness and even weirdness as a hold-out and malcontent.
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I could be way wrong. Let others continue to weigh in on the matter with robust but respectful dialogue. It's a tedious topic, I realize, but one seemingly critical to delve into even further due to the controversial press conference of Rodgers this week.
After all, this guy largely makes or breaks the season for the Packers, including us as fans. His authenticity and reliability are of the utmost importance to be a leader of men all the way to the top.
(Please excuse my length, once again, but I'm trying to be fair to both sides, even if my opinion at this time is strongly against the current ways of Rodgers.)

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JohnnyLogan's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:43 am

Excellent summation Swisch. The folk-hero QB of the Packers, despite his last act ending, is Brett Favre, a less talented but in my estimation a more beloved fan favorite during his glory days. I always loved the NFL clip showing Randy Moss on the sideline watching with awe, "That's Brett Favre out there!"

Favre wanted to stick it to the Pack at the end, but I always felt it was more competitive fire than hatred of the Packers. With Aaron you sense hate. Wish we'd moved on, I think it would have been enjoyable and interesting to see what this team would do with Love, and what Rodgers would do outside Green Bay.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:27 am

As sick and tired we all are over the Rodgers drama it's still a topic of discussion because it hasn't been completely played out. How will Rodgers respond this year, on the field and in the press, when the Packers lose a couple of games they should have won, or when he has a couple of bad games, or Cobb gets benched for Amari, or, or, or...?

His presser was a stab in the eye to management, lambasting the FO of this and past management teams for their callous regard for the players, but I think Rodgers was a bit disingenuous. Yes, he wants input. Yes, he feels some of the "high character players" should have been kept. No, he didn't get what he wanted on more than one occasion, but if it has really come to a head for him he could have easily had this discussion behind closed doors. I mean, Rodgers does have leverage.

No, the sub-text of the presser was more important, Rodgers is concerned mainly about one "high character player" who in all likelihood will be released, and that's Rodgers.

Rodgers is often praised for his intelligence, his smarts. I don't think he's quite as smart as he thinks he is. He really does believe he could have found a way to keep those dozen players he alluded to. Like Fredo in the G-dfather, "I can handle things! I'm smart! Not dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!" Hey, It's only numbers. What's the problem?

Rodgers has been a great player, maybe the best QB of all time. The Packers winning fewer SBs than the Patriots isn't because they kept all their "high character players, it's because New England's management was better than the Packers. Because they didn't keep an awful defensive coach like Capers around for way too many years. Because McCarthy was no Belichick. Rodgers generally played well in those losses. He outplayed Brady in the last one.

But now, when the Packers finally have a coach who shows real potential and a GM who has put together a team that has gone to two straight NFC championships, Rodgers decides to make a stink. Is it really because Kumerow was released... or is it because he knows he's next and his ego can't handle it?

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Swisch's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:31 pm

As a reflection on your excellent comment, JohnnyLogan, I would say intelligence does not necessarily mean wisdom.
The smart people can do a lot of good, but they can also do a lot of harm.
The experts can give us hope for a better future, but they can also drive us to ruin.
It helps if those with high intelligence also have a good measure of humility to put aside their own egos and self-interest to evaluate the situation for the good all of those involved.
Come to think of it, we can all do better in combining our intelligence with increasing goodness so as to be more truly wise and effective in our lives.
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Whatever Rodgers has done in his greatness to help the Packers of the past, and however he may have fallen short, the matter at hand is this present season of considerable promise.
What an opportunity for Rodgers to build on his successes and learn from his mistakes for the good of the team and himself.
He had already jeopardized it all by holding out without apparent wisdom. Then it seems he stupidly and selfishly declined to be gracious and unifying in his press conference, but rather sly and spiteful and divisive. His overall demeanor was unnervingly unenthusiastic.
Even so I'm still rooting for him to get his mind and heart in a good place, for his sake and ours.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:33 pm

If only Rodgers could read your comments

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Coldworld's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:41 pm

JL, I’ve made my personal views very clear. I do not retract them in any way. They are out there as are many of ours. You said something that chimed with my thinking in suggesting that we’ve reached a point where it’s time to move on:

“ it hasn't been completely played out. How will Rodgers respond this year, on the field and in the press, when the Packers lose a couple of games they should have won, or when he has a couple of bad games, or Cobb gets benched for Amari, or, or, or...?”

You are correct. However, before it can play out we need to get through camp and cut downs and then play real football. If Rodgers or Murphy or anyone utters or does something before then, That would change things. At this point the lines are drawn among us and the only certainty is that Rodgers is to be our starter. Until, as you say, it plays out, nothing will change and it seems neither will opinions on this, but camp will progress and a team will be built. Let’s focus on that.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:59 pm

Wise words, Coldworld. I will try, like you, to limit my comments from here on to football and less to the soap opera.

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Swisch's picture

July 31, 2021 at 02:00 pm

Coldworld and others, for what it's worth, I'm exhausted with the topic of Rodgers and about ready to let it go.
My comments today are a response to Cory's above take on the situation, which took me aback.
Also, a part of me is still wondering if we might still trade Rodgers in his apparent stubbornness in not letting things go. For-example, "Hello, Denver Broncos, our QB still isn't happy here but may be happy there. How about a first-round pick, a good defensive lineman or inside linebacker, and a delightful cheese platter from the Dairy State. We'll even chip in $5 million to help cover his salary. How about we do the deal this Monday?"
Other than that, I think I'm good to let it go as long as the principals in this situation keep quiet.
Bring on Camp Notes Day 4!!!

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dobber's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:52 pm

"No, the sub-text of the presser was more important, Rodgers is concerned mainly about one "high character player" who in all likelihood will be released, and that's Rodgers."

I agree: it was a very Rodgers-centric presser couched in a "culture of pro sports" context, but the last 5 years will continue to call his character into question. That said, the Packers won't release Rodgers. They'll take pennies on the dollar in trade before they release him if only to have some say as to who he plays for next and because the only compensation they would get in return for releasing him is cap relief...which they would get in dealing him for a used ball-bag anyway.

In the end, my frustration rises from the fact that #12, now trying to paint himself as the champion of players and in love with his franchise has made sure that he burns this brick shithouse down--including those players he's in love with who he will leave behind--on his way out the door. This is not out of his "character".

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 31, 2021 at 05:09 pm

Where I will part slightly from your comments is "They'll take pennies on the dollar..." With the Packers looking to be 50m over the salary cap next year - something's gotta give and someone(s) gotta go next year - with the prime candidate being Rodgers (who should not be buying any new furniture for his GB home). As much as the FO may want to 'stick-it' to Rodgers - public optics and business sense suggests that they will strive to maximize the return on any Rodgers trade. Rodgers may have a preference as to where he would like to go - which the FO will probably politely acknowledge. However, ultimately the trade will be one that benefits the GBP most - not Rodgers.

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flackcatcher's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:58 pm

The exit was going to be hard no matter what was said. Now that the reality has hit Rodgers (pretty hard by his presser) I hope the on field player will take over and lead this team one more time. For all the whining about Gute and the FO, they have done a hell of a job putting an elite football team on the field. While knowing all that they would be forced to break them up soon after. That path was set the second Rodgers signed his SECOND top player contract in 2018. Covid-19 only made the break come a couple of years early. It would do Rodgers good to understand that there were actions that were beyond either Mark Murphy or Brian Gutekunst control. But that's asking him to be an adult. Something that may be not in "his character". (I hope I'm wrong on that...)

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Michael Nault's picture

July 31, 2021 at 11:25 am

He does not care about this team, other than his friends. I think he threw the entire organization under the bus with his comments like ,They only come here to play with me. What utter nonsense. He is living in his own head, an egotistical ass.

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jurp's picture

July 31, 2021 at 03:19 pm

A line from Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" album, slightly altered to fit the context:

"Making love with his ego, Rodgers sucked up into his mind."

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

July 31, 2021 at 12:34 pm

So we’re really supposed to feel sorry for guys that made millions playing in Green Bay and then had to sign elsewhere for millions more when the Packers didn’t re-sign them? I guess it’s not about the money when you don’t have to worry about money. I can understand outliving all your friends, but for someone who is apparently so smart it’s unbelievable that he doesn’t seem to understand the NFL is a business. Maybe he needs to intern with John Elway rather than play for him.

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Rossonero's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:30 pm

I see blame on both sides.

I blame the front office for failing to communicate with Rodgers to at least attempt to show they valued his opinion or would accept some in put. Despite Gutey's comment that Rodgers has had input, obviously it was not enough or we would not be here today discussing this.

I blame Rodgers for being a diva and letting it boil over. Had he made attempts before to keep certain players and was ignored? Or did he just have throw his tantrum in order to make the front office realize that's what he wanted. Like two ships passing in the night, they both missed each other.

The problem with Rodgers' approach, as others have noted on here, was that the vast majority of the players -- except for Micah Hyde and Woodson -- all should have been released. And that approach is an emotional one. You don't run a franchise making emotional decisions like Jerry Jones or some other bonehead owner.

The Packers think long-term and try to balance the needs of the team vs. the cap. Rodgers is mad because some players weren't given an offer or even a "thank you" on their way out. I can see the frustration there and agree with him. The front office should have done better to at least explain their position instead of giving the cold shoulder. You just don't treat people like that. Both sides need to take ownership for their mistakes and move forward together.

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NJMagic's picture

July 31, 2021 at 01:19 pm

And.... This is why players make terrible GMs.

His answer in the press conference to "didn't they play poorly after they left" was the definition of hubris.

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stockholder's picture

July 31, 2021 at 07:43 pm

Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde. Both knew. Very Interesting.

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scullyitsme's picture

July 31, 2021 at 08:07 pm

Idiots…just mostly idiots on the board. Rodgers finally speaks honestly and truthfully and you all slam him for it after begging him for months to do so. Tell him he should take less pay.. honor his contract, be a soldier.. idiots.

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NJMagic's picture

August 01, 2021 at 03:12 pm

1) no one said he should or has to take less pay, he should just stop feeding the media narrative that the FO doesn't do enough to surround him with talent in FA.

No one is bitching that Davante wants top dollar... He's earned it (whether it's with us or elsewhere). And he was direct and honest in saying so! #respectdavante

2) Hyde (and Casey for that matter) wasn't this FO... And was long after TT in his heyday. If anything, that emphasizes the importance of a quality FO

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Stroh's picture

July 31, 2021 at 09:46 pm

I would say Rodgers has been disingenuous at best. So he considered retirement? Really?! Do you honestly think Rodgers was going to retire and write the Packers a check for 36M out of his own bank account, that he would have owed the Packers in unearned bonuses. No way was he ever going to retire and pay that money back! Not a chance!

Also if Rodgers really wanted what's best to help the Packers win a SB he should have been recruiting or trying to work a trade for an upgrade on the DL, instead of a broken down old WR best's friend!

I didn't take sides in any of this all offseason but Rodgers by his comments did not have the best interests of the Packers in mind!

He was never going to retire and bringing a best friend along for the ride didn't make the Packers an appreciably better team! And in the process he put the Packers in an even more precarious salary cap situation in '22.

IMO, Rodgers just tarnished his legacy unless he beings the Lombardi Trophy home in February! Anything less is unacceptable!

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