Cory's Corner: Selfless Move By Aaron Jones

It's anyone's guess what this move means for the other Aaron. 

I’ve said that the only way for the Packers to retain Aaron Jones is if he took a pay cut. 

Jones was scheduled to have a $20 million cap hit in 2023 and now that number has been reduced to $8.2 million. The reworked contract includes an $8.52 million signing bonus for this season. 

This means that the most important Aaron will be coming back to the Packers next season. Let’s face it. Jones has been the heartbeat of Green Bay’s offense. He is the most versatile weapon on the team and he’s always been an impeccable teammate. 

The obvious question is, what does this move mean for the other Aaron? To be honest, I’m not sure. Rodgers and the Packers seem like both are just waiting for the one to say that they are willing to move on — a veritable game of chicken. 

No matter who is the Packers quarterback next season, both would love to have Jones in their backfield. The sixth-year pro accounted for 53 percent of the team’s rushing yards and also tallied 13 percent of Green Bay’s targets last year. 

This move really says a lot about the 28-year-old Jones. The sand in his pro clock is running out and it’s flowing even faster since he’s all of 5-foot-9. He really wants to be a part of Green Bay and he trusts in everything that the Packers are doing. 

Sadly, I cannot say the same about Rodgers. I don’t think Rodgers has trusted everything the Packers have done for him or for this team and who’s to say, after this self-imposed blackout that the team trusts everything that Rodgers does either. 

So is this the move that propels the Packers over the top and instantly makes them a Super Bowl contender? No. But if Jones didn’t rework his contract and he didn’t come back, things would be pretty dark in Green Bay.

Rodgers has to be happy that Jones is coming back. The fifth round running back has shocked so many people by putting the team first. Maybe this move will propel Rodgers to do the same thing and restructure his deal in order to add more pieces. If the Packers best running back can put the team before himself why can’t the quarterback? 

I’m not surprised that Jones did this but I’m very interested to see what this means moving forward. 
 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 18, 2023 at 06:37 am

Seems like contracts these days are all "fake" numbers. Almost seems appropriate.

Glad he'll be back. By all accounts I've heard, he's a humble, caring dude. Will be especially nice to have him in the RB room if Gutey does draft another RB this Spring.

IDK what they tell these guys to get them to rework their contracts, but $8+ million paid up front to immediately be put to work at least drawing interest ought to be nice huh?

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dobber's picture

February 18, 2023 at 06:48 am

"$8+ million paid up front to immediately be put to work at least drawing interest ought to be nice huh?"

In the long run, it's about the guarantees.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 18, 2023 at 06:56 am

Ya think? ; )

The guarantees are all a player can count on, so that stands to reason.

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murf7777's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:05 am

The way the contract was originally drafted made it so a rework during the last couple of years inevitable. That seems to be the Packers and many other teams MO lately. Managing the salary cap is extremely difficult. It makes you appreciate TT’s abilities to manage the SC. At least I thought he did a very good job at that part of his duties.

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PatrickGB's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:31 am

I gotta agree. I often complain about the cap woes yet it, somehow, gets managed. However, imagine how much cap we could have if we were not burdened with Rodgers?

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 18, 2023 at 06:40 am

I expect Rodgers is happy Jones is returning as he mulls his future, hoping to find it in 4 days of darkness (SMH).

But there is probably greater happiness in Love.

If Love finally becomes the Packer starter, AJ will greatly lighten his load up the learning curve.

AJ is cementing his legacy as one of the top RBs in Packer history. He has certainly earned it with his great character, work ethic and team first mentality.

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Johnblood27's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:12 am

I am completely sick of hearing how each and every thing the GBP franchise does must be seen through the Aaron Rodgers prism.

Enough with "how will AR feel about this", you simply play into the hand of a mentally unstable narcissist with each reference.

Please Dear God, relieve the GBP of this scourge and set AR free to do whatever he wants to do - SOMEWHERE ELSE - I do not care where... just not in GB...

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:22 am

Amen JB. (just pulled into Menomonee Falls for gas). I would rather #12 keep his money and not come back as QB1 than him taking a pay cut to come back a "Packer". He has had ample opportunities to show he is all in as a starting QB and be a team player for all (especially the ones that need it). He is not willing to put in the time and effort. Even if he had a change of heart, and was willing to do so - nope. He needs the Packers far more than they need him now. Like you said, I hope he finds whatever he is searching for - please, leave GB behind. Whatever $ we lose initially isn't worth sacrificing the Packers image and brand.

I hope #12 finds another football team to play for or he finds a sport (golf, etc) that doesn't involve a team, especially in Green Bay or WI...just him. I don't want him on the roster...he recently has done more damage than good. His skills no longer carry him. If he was like #33 with his attitude and respect and appreciation, I would be the one defending him at almost all costs.

He isn't worth the time or effort at this point. There is enough drama in this world, don't need an entertainer to add to it. I want a QB that knows his role and executes it to the best of his ability.

If #12 comes back and the front office allows this...it is not even a Pyrrhic victory, it simply is a loss in the W/L column before the season begins IMHO.

* Wow, gauge says Full now. Okay back on the asphalt jungle I go.

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4thand10's picture

February 19, 2023 at 03:07 pm

I wish GIFs were allowed on this site. I’m not even religious and I’ll give a giant Amen to JBs comment.

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tommynak's picture

February 20, 2023 at 11:15 am

I couldn't agree with you anymore unless I wrote it.

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stockholder's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:19 am

I think Jones restructure tells us something about the OL.
More than Arron Rodgers. More than Jordan Love.
No running back is going to be successful,
without the guys up front. NO QB Either!
The Packers needed cap relief. And Jones agreed.
It didn’t have anything to do; with anyone else!
And It might be the best PR move of his career.
He just put all the rumors to rest. The doubt.
And a CAP process we know all too well now.
This is more than All-in. It’s stability @ RB.
And Aaron Jones stay just got longer. He won.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:30 am

It's weird that you can't spell your idol's first name correctly...

"I think Jones restructure tells us something about the OL."

Well, using your "logic", he's telling us that the OL is just fine, and that he's confident that the line will open holes for him and protect the QB. This contradicts everything you've posted recently about how poor OL play is the cause of Rodgers' declining play.

Jones' take seems to differ from yours. Or, maybe the OL has little to nothing to do with Jones' decision to restructure?

Yes, the Packers need cap relief. So, when's your hero going to step up and cut his salary like Jones just did? If he sees his shadow when he leaves his den of darkness, does that mean he'll cut his cap hit?

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MainePackFan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:13 am

"Yes, the Packers need cap relief. So, when's your hero going to step up and cut his salary like Jones just did? If he sees his shadow when he leaves his den of darkness, does that mean he'll cut his cap hit?"

Jurp, if he did take a salary cut, would that change your mind about him? I'm going to guess... NO :)

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:49 am

No, we need to get him off the team for the team to be truly successful. Couple the decline we saw in his play this past season to his noted inability to win "the big one" (as we witnessed in heart-breaking fashion in 2019, 2020, and 2021, and in less heart-breaking fashion this past year), we can't win with him. His impact on Scooter's offense is also detrimental to success - compare our offense to any of the offenses in the top four teams in the league. We are well behind the curve in creativity, but ahead of the pack in terms of it being stale and predictable. They might as well swap the inline TE position for an extra lineman, the way AR almost never throws to him. Now, that could also just be Scooter, but we won't know for sure until Rodgers is gone. Time for a fresh start.

As Emil Faber is supposed to have said, "Change is Good".

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stockholder's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:53 am

"logic"- ? And NO to contradicts. This OL
Was the main reason for the losing streak.
And I put the blame on Adam Stenavich OC.
The Success started with Jenkins going back to LG.
No RB wants to run behind a poor OL. ****
Doubt you understand that! ****
MLF cherry picked the way Jones was used.
(To avoid injuries) Until the OL stabilized.
Cap Relief-
Rodgers stated he was willing to restructure if
he comes back.
I'm sure Rodgers wants to get away from the media.
And the media is why he shouldn't go to the jets.
The Love train is headed for a collision with Rodgers!
Blow your S**t some other way.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:44 am

I have at least Two picks going to the Oline and the RT should be either a one or two pick. If A.Jones is your offense, then you have problems. Jones was set up for a refi from the day he signed HIS extension. Bhak will have to push some of HIS contact down the annuity road as Brady did with HIS deals. The Left Flank will be fine and Tom's a key backup, maybe he beats out Myers? The Other side needs a Rebuild. If I listed ALL the Fan comments from Other sports sites, The Choir would have a Coronary. Independent perspective shows a consensus view condemning the FO.

"I’m sure Aaron feels the same way about the Packers. Terrible drafting, delusional fanbase, inept management (talking to you Gute) and no supporting cast. Be careful what you wish for Packer backers, hahaha.
Run away Aaron, get out of that cheese Twilight Zone."

Portland,P.
1. They had a 30 year championship window, and they failed organizationally to build a good enough team around their elite QBs to win more than two.

2. That window has closed. We saw this year that when their QB is not playing at an MVP level, the rest of the team around them in pretty mediocre.
It's time to see what LaFleur, Gutekunst and the organization can do without an elite QB. If they swim, great. If they sink, time for a total tear down and bring in a GM from outside the organization who is willing to take a more bold approach. For a place nicknamed "Titletown", for too long it's been more like "Just hold the course and hope that's good enough".

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:04 am

But you LITERALLY POSTED THIS:

"I think Jones restructure tells us something about the OL.
More than Arron Rodgers. More than Jordan Love.
No running back is going to be successful,
without the guys up front."

For a change, you're not wrong. So, why would Jones want to stay in GB if the line were lousy? A bad line equals bad RB stats and possible RB injury. So, Restructure = Confidence in the OL play. You've been harping on bad OL play all year, yet when we had our preferred line (in your words "Success started with Jenkins going back to LG."), AR shat the bed after halftime in a must-win game. AGAIN.

For your reference:

Snap Count, week 18 OL: David Bakhtiari 60, Elgton Jenkins 60, Josh Myers 60, Jon Runyan, Jr. 60, Zach Tom 36, Yosh Nijman 24. Tom got his snaps in the second half because Nijman had a rough first half. Note that the preferred line played the first half, except maybe Runyon, who had a decent game, and Tom was a clear upgrade over Nijman making our line even better.

One can arguably say your take that the line's play negatively affected Rodgers' play doesn't hold water, especially since Jones had a good year.

I've just about fixed the Bonkers Scale (if the glue holds, that is), but the ILLOGICAL BULLSHIT METER is off the charts here.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:25 am

So, the Lions D line didn't kick the shit out of the front five as the game progressed? Tom needed TE help and Nijman was just out-classed. Jones took some guaranteed cash. They will bring in a high pick for the RT if the brain trust has any chance of surviving the predicted transition to J.Love.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:36 pm

Not saying they didn't, just pointed out that the line we played with against the Lions was the one stockholder was praising for ending our losing streak and creating our winning streak. And it was the same line that kicked the shit out of the Vikings. Gee, do you think it could've been the coaching? There, stockholder is correct.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 18, 2023 at 12:06 pm

why are you attacking this guy, your a friggin dick...should be "jerk" not jurp...everyone is entitled to their opinion even here on the Cult of Rodgers hate club CHTV...

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:38 pm

Not so much attacking as pointing out his inconsistencies. And if you noticed he then attacked ME. And I still pointed out that his posts are bullshit at best, unless he's posting about the draft - those posts are quite good, as I've pointed out before. And I NEVER reply to them.

It would help his case if he could spell Rodgers' first name correctly. How can anyone take his posts seriously after that? It would also help his case if he could find a way to write in standard English. Croat isn't a native speaker, and his posts are quite literate.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:25 am

"The most important Aaron" is correct! I've been astounded at how little Green Bay has taken advantage of Jones' tremendous play-making. Some blame Rodgers, others LaFleur, but his ability to impact the offense has really been under-utilized.

My only disappointment in his return is that I really like a LOT of RBs in this draft...hopefully, we'll still pick up one at some point (I'm a huge fan of taking Tank Bigsby, DeWane McBride, or Tyjae Spears if they are available in round five or later).

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mrtundra's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:00 am

I also like Kenny McIntosh out of Georgia. In the limited videos I've seen of him, he looks solid receiving the ball, out of the back field. Kinda fits what GB does, with Jones, now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:50 am

All good choices and Eric Gray from OKL. He is a A.Jones clone, just a bit bigger in mass....Keep stocking the cupboards.

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stockholder's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:04 am

Kiper and Mcshay said this is the worst draft in years.
They're looking at 70 players worthy.
The RBs are a strong group.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:56 am

Do not listen too much to their babbling, but Mel is generally in the right ballpark. We have the usual Top 20, then the push to snag talent in the Value round, number two. Yes, 60-70 NFL quality players. He blew the #22 and lost some of the bang from 2022's second round. Do not make the same mistake four years running. Get More picks in THIS round in April. Move 2024 picks as needed. Talent Infusion, ASAP. The Company Line is worse than a cult chant. Get the RT, TEs, Two @Edge, RBs, CBs. a DT by Rd 3.

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stockholder's picture

February 18, 2023 at 02:05 pm

The combine can't come soon enough.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 19, 2023 at 10:45 am

Rarely watch or care about the spectacle which could be conducted in half a day. You can time players watching how fast they move between the lines on Film. You didn't need a stopwatch to know Watson was a Big Play guy.
A fifteen minute interview can be conducted via zoom. Bring the guys to Lambeau for the final appraisal. They have spies and inside guys around the college programs to dig out any dirt.

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egbertsouse's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:30 am

I’m fairly certain he didn’t take a pay cut unless his agent is totally incompetent. He most likely converted base salary to bonuses so Ball could spread it out and kick the can down the road.
It’s better for both parties to spin it as a pay cut. The Packers look smart and tough and Jones looks selfless. I don’t buy into the hype.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:47 am

His original contract cash value was 48M over 4yrs. If you look at the contract cash value now, it's 43M over the same 4yrs. Looks like a pay cut to me.

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Untylu1968's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:21 am

But it's way more fun to speculate without knowing the facts!

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MainePackFan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:31 am

Yep. Both things can be true. AJ got a chunk of money in a roster/restructure bonus and in return gave up some long term cash to help with the cap. Win win. That doesn't take away from AJ's obvious desire to stay with the Packers.

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Coldworld's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:21 am

As far as I can see, his actual take home this year hasn’t changed. It’s more about getting closer to a workable formula than both sides that doesn’t get hung up in what might theoretically have been earned and gives both him an the team flexibility when he turns 30 in 2 years. Overall he preferred realism here to testing FA.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:49 am

"Jones, who was scheduled to make $16 million, agreed to cut that by $5 million in exchange for a signing bonus of $8.52 million as part of his total pay of $11 million for the 2023 season.

Nags quoted this excerpt from Demovsky"s article in his post yesterday.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:51 am

Looks like Jones and his agent subscribe to the "A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush" theory of compensation. Smart move, IMO.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:08 am

It's really about the team and the player wanting to continue their relationship. Smart move by everyone involved. One of the rare moves that almost everyone here agreed with :)

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Swisch's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:55 am

Maybe the best summary of the situation with Aaron Jones is this comment of yours, Maine.
I like to pay our players generously, though I'm concerned about this apparent trend to make guys the highest paid at their positions.
I want guys who want to be Packers for more than just the money -- while recognizing that money is important to the players, and understandably so.
The details of each contract with a player are important, but the bottom line is that I hope each is a win-win for both sides -- which would seem to be good for the fans, as well.
***
The big picture is to take good care of all of the players on the roster in proportion to their roles, and it seems most players would understand that their teammates need satisfying contracts, too.
Any players who don't understand the need for a good balance of salaries across the roster would seem to be the ones we should probably let leave.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:34 am

Yeah...looks that way in $ value. AJ did secure greater present value and cash flow up front. And if he is as dedicated to excellence in his investments as he is in his career, he will likely make up far more than the $5 Million less in the reworked deal.

Also, he wants to stay in GB vs getting more money from a new team. AJ remains one of the top paid RBs in the NFL. Not bad for the 5th rounder!

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Handsback's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:34 am

I would still pick a RB within those first three rounds. Depth and replacement will have to be there to run MLF's offense the way he intended it to be done. Dillon is a complmentry back not a main outside zone RB.

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mrtundra's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:57 am

While I like Patrick Taylor, as our back up RB, I do not think he is a permanent replacement for either Jones nor Dillon. I think drafting a RB is in the cards for GB.

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4thand10's picture

February 19, 2023 at 03:15 pm

I’d like to see one in the first 3 as well. However, I do believe Dillon is an every down back. But so few teams in the league offer an everydown back. You’ll see MN splitting duties with Cook, Madison and occasionally the FB CJ Ham. Most or all teams use multiple backs. Unless there is a sleeper on the PS…I say go get one. Although, I can honestly say that I have not seen anything bad in Patrick Taylor. And Goodson was interesting to watch in pre season.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:37 am

It’s not a selfless move, there’s plenty of self interest. He chose happiness instead of more money. Smart guy. He’s already made more money than most people do in a lifetime.

This, like everything else about the Packers, is unrelated to Aaron Rodgers, who is leaving soon and will no longer be part of the team.

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murf7777's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:58 am

LH….Also, who’s to say Jones would’ve received more anywhere else? RB’s are somewhat a dime a dozen as you see many really good ones coming out of the 4th - 7th round. The position is one of the easiest to produce as a rookie so there isn’t a huge need to plan your roster longer term. They’re also available thru FA annually at a decent price. If I was a player I’d do anything to find a different position in HS.

Regarding Rodgers, I think he will come out of the darkness and choose to stay with the Packers. He will be a Packer, unless the FO tells him they want to move on. Of course, in that case it will be spun differently to save Rodgers ego. Who knows, but that’s my thought.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:10 am

Murf, McGinn said the team has moved on.

The brass all want to move on from Rodgers for several reasons. They’re tired of the bullshit baggage and no playoff wins. And they think Love is going to be good. They’re ready to go with somebody who is”all in”, not someone who kind of blows off the offseason and isn’t sure what he wants.

He’s taken his last snap as a Packer. He’ll be traded or he’ll retire.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:53 am

"He’s taken his last snap as a Packer. He’ll be traded or he’ll retire."

I think GreenGold said something just like this after AR's Draft Day bomb in 21. Never underestimate the stupidity of the Packers Front Office.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:10 am

Well, I didn't like McGinn's hard honesty when he was writing for Gazette. I had different opinions on issues than him, but I admitted few years later that he knows a lot and that he was right much more times than not.

Also, I do not see why he would come out with his statements about GBP position towards ACR if he trully don't know and believe in informations he got from team source. Also, everybody has thair own red line and I also believe ACR crosses those red lines of many in Personnel department (one already resigned and went to other team - at the moment I just do not remember who and to what team that man went). Even Mark "we are not idiots" Murphy should know that football operations can not be sustainable without good Personnel department. So, I have more hope that this is the end of ACR as Packers QB1. Still, I'm affraid that chicken souls of MLF and "we are not idiots" can change their mind at the last moment. I also take in consideration how excellent manipulator ACR is.

I also pray God to help this unique NFL organization to free itself from person ACR become.

I'm doing that from that shameful press conference at the beginning of the TC 2021.

McGinn is sometimes harshly truthful, but we all need that kind of truth from time to time.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 02:35 pm

Jurp.....GreenGold is a little quicker on the trigger than I am on some things. He could see....lots of us could see....that the writing was on the wall.

But from the beginning, what did the Packers say? We're not trading Rodgers. They went into "Last Dance" mode, brought Cobb back so he'd have somebody on the team he could call a friend, and stretched this thing out for two years, but we've reached the end of the trail.

You're not hearing the Packers say "We're not trading Rodgers". You're hearing the opposite. You're hearing "Love is Ready". It's different this time.

McGinn said people were disgusted that he blew off the offseason and showed up in less than primo shape, and then didn't play that well. They're done with him. They like Love and they're moving on. Rodgers is finished in Green Bay, and all that remains is how much compensation we'll get for him.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:44 pm

I sure as hell hope you're right. I do sense a different vibe, but none of us know what Murphy is thinking/planning. It may be harder to move him than a lot of us think - his antics can't have gone unnoticed by the saner owners.

Oh no, I'm a "hater" now! You're a hater! We're almost ALL haters! Just for being realists and wanting the best for the team we love.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 05:30 pm

McGinn just told us what Murphy is thinking on this subject.

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murf7777's picture

February 18, 2023 at 03:53 pm

Wow, I didn’t see that article. He also said they Love, LOVE and that he is Rodgers 2.0. Not sure I totally believe that. I’m fine with him moving on, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Swisch's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:05 am

You raise an interesting point, Leatherhead, about self-interest: It seems as though at least some of the time it's in our self-interest to make sacrifices for others.
Getting everything we want can get lonely. Getting less can be more.
Ah, the paradoxes of life, which make sense in a sense, but perhaps can be explained only so far until they enter into mystery.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:22 am

Swisch, that is the position ACR is at the moment. He got almost everything he wanted from Packers and still, he is not satisfy.

I also find interesting that he need to meditate and go through possible hallucinations to be sure what he want to do with his life. From my own experience, much faster and much permanent decision about yourself anyone can achieve through honest and open discussion and conversation with your true friends. Only lonely persons needs to talk with themselves to find out the thruth about themselves. And that process is much longer and more suspectful. Others, if they are true friends will honestly point out your flaws and help you to recognize what you need to do to be happy.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:49 pm

You don't see Rodgers hanging out with many people on a regular basis - or maybe I don't because I don't go looking on the internet for that. I wonder how many true friends he actually has. This is not meant as an indictment on Rodgers or his personality. Given his fame and, I think, naturally introverted personality, I suspect that making friends may be quite difficult for him. At some point, famous people have to wonder about the motives of every new person they meet.

If Rodgers does indeed not have any really close friends, I can see why he feels the need to commune with himself. I don't agree with him making these methods public because it makes him look like a loon to a lot of people (which I believe is opposite to the reaction he's looking for), but I understand the need.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 02:39 pm

Well, if I were to get philosophical and pretend that I've read complicated stuff, I'd say that there's an ancient philosophy that encouraged their followers to engage in acts of self-sacrifice as a path towards enlightenment.

They wrote a book about it. A best seller, actually.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:50 pm

Several books, from several different points of view. Some people think they're in opposition, but they're wrong.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:47 am

Good morning fine ladies and gentlemen!

Illusion of complexity was supposed to be referencing the Packer's offense, not the "chess match" within the organization. But alas, here we are. I do love #33 and hope his goals and the team goals are reached during his career, however long that may be. He does make me proud to be a Packer.

Interesting chatter on an article or podcast with Bob McGinn (sp?) last night. Unfortunately, this is the business side of football.

This too shall pass (potentially, not in the middle of the field... depending on who is QB1).

Peace ✌️

BM

*from an old Eagle's song: "you may see the stars and still not see the light".

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MainePackFan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:06 am

Would that be the same Bob McGinn that "confirmed" a couple years ago that AR wanted Gute fired or he wouldn't return? All set :)

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:08 am

I have no idea Maine. My first reaction, is to go in the opposite direction (with all the posturing).

You could be spot on...

Speaking of posturing; time for me to get up off the couch...fight gravity's pull, sip some coffee with almond creamer and put my big boy pantz on. This one is going to take some work, some massaging (have to put a call into Coach McCarthy for this one).

Rest assured all, I will be the facilitator to make this whole again. I will grab a few items first before I head to 1265: Lite-Bright check, Glowworm check, Cranium check. Viktor Frankl's book check.

✌️

Okay, gotta put the phone down...heading East on Hwy 29. You may not hear from me for a while, until there is a resolution. Stay strong and thanks for carrying the G.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 05:27 pm

Maine, I've followed McGinn for 30 years. If McGinn reported it, it's most likely true even if people change their mind afterwards. When he says that he's getting his info from someone with first hand knowledge, he's not talking about some custodian who overheard something. It's Gute, or Murphy, or some people on the Board

Rodgers is going to emerge from his vacation from light to see that this story has been leaked and then he can say that he's made his choice, and his choice is he's going to ask for a trade.

Rodgers is finished in Green Bay. Anybody who wanted this to happen should be happy today, because you've just received a pretty strong signal that the decision has been made.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 18, 2023 at 06:44 pm

Unless it's psyops by the Packers Intelligence Services. Sounds crazy, I know, but stay with me, LH. Picture this: Mark Murphy swiveled his luxurious high-backed leather office chair and placed the folder on is desk. He pushed it to the far edge where Wes Hodkiewicz leaned forward, opened it, and slowly read the contents. Hodkiewicz nodded, gave Murphy his best smirk and quietly exited. Murphy tented his fingers and whispered "excellent."

Bob McGinn had been stood up in the past, but not by Hodkowitz. He'd parked in the usual spot in the Kohl's lot, dark, away from the frontage road. When the headlights crossed his windshield, McGinn crushed out his second Camel Light, and lowered the window. Wes smiled, "the fox is in the valley, Bob," McGinn lifted his chin and narrowed his eyes "buford ate a fat newt," he rasped. Both men knew that nothing would ever be the same.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 07:02 pm

Hmmmmmm.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the timing of this....coinciding with Rodgers' Darkfest.... is hardly accidental, and the fact that it's McGinn, of all people, almost certainly means this is a sanctioned op. McGinn would never burn his bridges by betraying the front office. If he reported this, it's because they wanted it reported.

It's actually kind of smooth, because now Rodgers has received an unmistakeable, public message that the team is moving on. He can retire or take a trade. He'll take the trade, because he'll get millions of dollars and lots of publicity. And he'll go to the Jets, because they'll over pay for him, because that's what the Jets do and why they haven't been to a Super Bowl since Broadway Joe wore white shoes.

Rodgers to the Jets for their first, second, and third round choices.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:19 pm

::fistbump::

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:25 pm

From your lips to ... As they say!

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:19 pm

this pleased me greatly.

note: bob mcginn has no sources.

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stockholder's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:24 am

Rodgers stated don't believe in the Rumors.
It's fake news.
Just like Jones going to Miami.
McCarfrey Trade - San Francisco sent second-, third- and fourth-round picks in 2023 and a fifth-round selection in 2024 for the 26-year-old running back.
If the packers did trade Jones.
It would be during the season.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:30 am

You know what is interesting with you.

If Jordan Love show he is the Guy, 3rd HOFer in the row for Packers, you'll be the first to turn the coat and to become his strongest supporter. And than you will claim that you were on his train from the beginning.

I do not remember you from time when Packers were in turmoil with Brett Favre, but others remember your support for Brett Favre and spitting on ACR claiming he is bust and Packers are doomed.

Please, continue with your work. And History will repeat again!

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:51 pm

"but others remember your support for Brett Favre and spitting on ACR claiming he is bust and Packers are doomed. "

And THAT is why I built the Bonkers Scale for stockholder!

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Johnblood27's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:46 am

...and that Eagles song was titled, appropriately enough, "Already Gone".

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PatrickGB's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:34 am

Classy guy and he is worth it.

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NDP's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:49 am

I was delighted to learn that Aaron Jones will return to the Packers. He strikes me as a solid person on and off the field who is willing to sacrifice for the team's good. I don't know if Aaron Jones restructuring his contract communicates anything to the other Aaron, but I know it will be fantastic to see him in the backfield next season. Aaron Jones is a class act!

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NDP's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:51 am

I was delighted to learn that Aaron Jones will return to the Packers. He strikes me as a solid person on and off the field who is willing to sacrifice for the team's good. I don't know if Aaron Jones restructuring his contract communicates anything to the other Aaron, but I know it will be fantastic to see him in the backfield next season. Aaron Jones is a class act!

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:27 pm

Well worth another up vote.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:53 am

Hilarious seeing an opinion piece by Bob McGinn is going viral. Always enjoyed reading McGinn but he wrote in in a very opinionated style. He did seem to have good sources but I expect most of those have dried up now.

Bob says Murphy, Gutey, MLF are all disgusted with Rodgers and are moving on now, believing Jordan Love is the 3rd lighting strike in a row for the Packers.

Maybe they have moved but the term "disgusted" comes from Bob, not from any named sources. He even admits his "disgusted" conclusion comes from his opinions and years analyzing similar situations, from other writers, and from a "source with knowledge about the situation" who could be virtually anybody.

One year after destroying the Cap to keep Rodgers "happy", Murphy is now disgusted?

Nice job with the "click bait" there, Bob!

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:57 am

Gutekunst and Scooter might be "disgusted", but their opinions don't count in Murphyland. I fear that Rodgers will be back, dragging the team down with his outlandish cap hits in 23 and 24. Well, that would make my fall sports viewing a lot simpler... If the weather's crappy, watch a few series one week, maybe a quarter the next, and no need to worry about watching anything after week 18, cause this team ain't going anywhere.

And that's only if I don't watch the Badgers destroy the bulk of the Big 10 on Saturdays.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 18, 2023 at 01:58 pm

LP, McGinn vented his spleen on a podcast with Ty Dunne. Both of those journos have more than a little contempt for the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Bob also mentioned he used his "instincts" to craft his opinions on the current state of affairs in GB. Like you, I'm skeptical of McGinn's hot take.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 18, 2023 at 08:21 pm

McGinn had one source. Ron Wolf (well, two, he had Wolf's failed kid too).

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EnemyTerritory's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:55 am

“Rodgers has to be happy that Jones is coming back… Maybe this move will propel Rodgers to do the same thing and restructure his deal in order to add more pieces. If the Packers best running back can put the team before himself why can’t the quarterback? “. ——Not a snowballs chance in hell…

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:59 am

Yeah, that's a rhetorical question, seeing as how Rodgers hasn't put the team ahead of himself since at least 2014.

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Oppy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:48 am

It's amazing to me how many people don't seem to understand that when a contract features a crazy, unrealistic pay increase in the last year or two of the contract, the team doesn't expect to pay that price, and the player doesn't expect to get paid that price.

It's a contract re-negotiation tool, it's intended to force the team and the player back to the bargaining table. The idea is that if things have been going well, the two sides renegotiate a contract extension and spread that money out over the extension. It gives both parties what they (generally) want: the team gets to retain a quality player for a longer term, the player gets the stability that the long-term contract provides, and it also forces both sides to re-assess what fair market value is for a player of that position in the current market is.

This wasn't a huge sacrifice by Jones, it wasn't a genius stroke by the Packers. This is relatively common practice. There were two routes that were predetermined for Jones heading into 2023 and both parties knew this when his deal was inked back then. They go separate ways or he gets an extension. Either way, Jones' 2023 salary was never going to be paid.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:17 am

That is the story. Altruism went out of style with the Knights of the Round Table.

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Starrbrite's picture

February 19, 2023 at 11:37 pm

Great point jannes.

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:29 pm

Enjoy that he's staying no matter what. Along with Watson the only really exciting offensive players we have.

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Dessage's picture

February 18, 2023 at 10:50 am

I love everything about Aaron Jones!

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splitpea1's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:10 am

The Packers pretty much had to retain Jones if they had any thoughts of contending this season. The OL needs to do a much better job of opening holes for him in the red zone (only two rushing TDs is ridiculous), and he needs to be more involved in the passing game up and down the field.

The chances were pretty slim that the Packers were going to find a RB this dynamic (never mind the development and ready pass-blocking skills needed) in the later rounds of the draft again.

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NickPerry's picture

February 18, 2023 at 11:39 am

" Maybe this move will propel Rodgers to do the same thing and restructure his deal in order to add more pieces. If the Packers best running back can put the team before himself why can’t the quarterback?"

I actually had to read that 3 times to make sure that it wasn't too early here in California and I was seeing things or perhaps the coffee just hasn't kicked in yet. BUT, it did say what I thought it said and then I LAUGHED...HARD!

Rodgers has NEVER put the team first. Even though he already had enough money for himself and if he ever married and had kids, for his wife, kids, AND grandchildren he STILL wanted to be the highest paid player after 2022. Nope, he thought of himself. I think the Packers knew long before giving Rodgers that deal it would be him or Adams. I also think Rodgers knew this as well and didn't give a damn. Otherwise I think the Packers would have gotten the Adams deal done LONG before it became an unrepairable issue but they couldn't. Not with Rodgers ALWAYS wanting more. The Packers have been dealing with this guy for 17 years prior to offering him that $150 million...They KNEW!

People can tell me until they're blue in the face Rodgers DESERVED that contract but he didn't, not at 38 years old and KNOWING it would blow up the caps for years AFTER he was gone. Rodgers KNEW the ramifications of that deal when he signed it. Him, or him, Davante, and who knows who else had he signed a friendly enough deal.

Aaron Jones is and will ALWAY be one of my favorite Packers...EVER... There's NOTHING fake about that man. There's NOTHING he wouldn't do for a teammate or the organization. There's no ego that ever gets in the way. Nope, Jones gets it and I'm glad he's here.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 18, 2023 at 02:26 pm

IMO, the Packers did the deal, and then Rodgers blew off the offseason, didn't show up in real good shape, and then didn't play real well. McGinn used the word "disgusted" and that's a pretty strong word, but it applies when you do something nice for somebody who just doesn't care.

This whole thing....bad playoff losses, contract, bad offseason, bad season.....has combined and that's why Rodgers isn't going to be our QB anymore.

Trivia question: How many playoff games have the Packers won since the win over the Cowboys in 2016? Did I hear somebody say "two"? Barr ended his 2017 season, in 2018 we missed the playoffs, and in 2022 we missed the playoffs, so we've only made the playoffs three times since that game.

Here's my prediction: The Packers make the playoffs more in the first 5 years without Rodgers than they did the last 5 years with him. They'll go to the Super Bowl at least as many times in the next 10 years as they did in the last 10.

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:36 pm

I agree . Let's hope the executives stand up for the team this time.

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:32 pm

Nice work NP. Couldn't agree more.

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wildbill's picture

February 18, 2023 at 01:26 pm

Who you Rodgers haters gonna hate if he leaves and we go 7-10 next year? Back to hating LF and Barry I guess…..

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stockholder's picture

February 18, 2023 at 01:35 pm

By Christmas all their "Love" would be shot to hell.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 18, 2023 at 06:29 pm

By Christmas we'll have the division wrapped up...

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NickPerry's picture

February 19, 2023 at 04:14 am

Hey SH, you may be 100% correct on that. Fact is Love could be a franchise QB or he might just be a bust, BUT, the Packers HAVE find out because we just don't know.

But with Rodgers we KNOW 100% without a doubt he's not the one who will get us there. Not at 40 in December, or 41 in December of 2024, not EVER with that contract. Lets just hope ONE team will take a shot on him and give us something for him.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 19, 2023 at 10:59 am

If they don't know what his abilities are by now, this management team should be shown the door.

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jurp's picture

February 18, 2023 at 04:57 pm

We won't have to "hate" anyone because then the vampire will have been banished and we'll have our team back.

Rodgers remaining on the team puts us in Cap Hell for years to come - anyone who truly loves the team cannot want that.

You can't love both the Packers AND the current version of AR with his massive contract. You either love the PACKERS or you love Aaron Rodgers and loathe the Packers.

We don't "hate" Rodgers, we hate what the team has allowed him to do to it. We live in Reality. You might want to try it sometime.

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:38 pm

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Tundraboy's picture

February 18, 2023 at 09:39 pm

Of course until they are gone.

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4thand10's picture

February 19, 2023 at 03:32 pm

I’m not so sure about that. Love was taken before Hurts, and many suspect even better. And they can always draft another.Rodgers doesn’t have speed. Speed to throw, speed to scramble or speed to run it in when there is wide open grass in front of him. I think a young QB will open up that playbook. But either way, I’ll reserve judgment on Lafluer when i see a yr or 2 without Rodgers. From what I’ve seen….LaFluers system and Rodgers unhappy =3 winning seasons. Rodgers happy and back to McCarthy system (last yr) =disaster.

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Packers0808's picture

February 18, 2023 at 01:40 pm

Doubt other Aaron will follow suit with his me me attitude!

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Kevin10's picture

February 18, 2023 at 02:33 pm

Good move by both player and team. Let’s hope the Packers can do something with their o-line or this move wont be as impactful as it could be. As for the Rodgers \ Love question , the same concern about the o-line applies. If Love is the guy, he is going to need the rest of the individual offensive pieces to be much better than last year.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

February 19, 2023 at 02:05 am

I'm glad Jones is coming back so we can get another season of MLF not using him....

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