Cory's Corner: Packers Must Choose Present Over Future

Stopping the run was a problem last year and it still is. 

Many people have been eagerly passing blame in circles after the Packers dropped an embarrassing 28-22 loss to Minnesota on Sunday. 

However, it comes down to a fundamental question: present vs. future. 

The Packers were 23rd in the league last year in rushing yards a game at over 120. They gave up an astronomical 4.7 yards per carry. Nothing was done to address that glaring problem and now that same defense is staring at the crosshairs of another late-season collapse because it cannot get off the field. 

"We better get it fixed and fast because I have a pretty good idea of what's going to happen in San Francisco," said a frustrated Packers coach Matt LaFleur. "The formula has been written. We've got to step up and get it fixed. If not, we're going to keep getting these results."

The Packers have surrendured over 170 rushing yards five times in the last one-and-a-half years. That's not just a leaky dam, that's a hole that has been ignored. 

Green Bay was coming off a 13-3 season, but it still wasn't a finished Super Bowl product. Yet, the Packers drafted for the future with quarterback Jordan Love — who hasn't been activated for a game yet — and running back A.J. Dillon, who hasn't played more than 14 offensive snaps in a game yet. I liked Love and I think Dillon can be a quality back, but those aren't picks you lead off your draft board. The Packers needed a blue chip player that could help them right away. Ravens linebacker Patrick Queen and Bengals receiver Tee Higgins were both on the board when the Packers moved up to take Love. 

Now that mantra is resurfacing. The trade deadline is today at 3 p.m. CT. The Jets are shopping defensive lineman Quinnen Williams. Since Green Bay cherishes its draft picks, I don't see the Packers trading away any of their 10 picks for 2021, even if they could snag one of the better defensive lineman with a second and third rounder. Williams is in his rookie deal until 2022 and it would finally give Kenny Clark a proper running mate — maybe he won't be double teamed nearly every play. 

The reason why that game was so embarrasing was because there wasn't any sense of urgency from the players or coaches. Defensive coordinaor Mike Pettine knew what was coming and he stayed in base defense for the majority of the game. There's a reason why Cook carried the ball the most of his three-year career. There's no point in letting Kirk Cousins rack up interceptions when Cook can continually gash the defense. 

I held out as long as I could with former defensive coordinator Dom Capers. Then I saw how listless the defense was and it was time for a change. If Green Bay's defense fails to get off the mat on Thursday night, Pettine is on thin ice. I thought it was smart to retain a seasoned coach to transition LaFleur in his rookie season. However, the defense has clearly regressed and at times on Sunday, it looked helpless. According to ProFootballReference.com, the Packers defense is only hurrying the opposing passer 6.1 percent of the time, which is good for 27th in the league. The best way to force mistakes is to make the quarterback uncomfortable. Pettine has only dialed up blitzes 22 percent of the time. With today's rules against defensive backs, you could give my neighbor four seconds to throw and he would do a pretty good job. There was must be consistent pressure applied to quarterbacks. 

The defense needs to find its edge, wrap up, tackle and get off the field. It isn't time to play hero ball by trying to make the highlight tackle. 

This team just needs to dig in stop the run. The Packers gave up 220 rushing yards in the 2019 NFC Championship to a guy that hasn't notched a 100-yard game this season. 

The dam is leaking. Will it get fixed?

 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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dgtalmn's picture

November 03, 2020 at 06:20 am

Painfully agree.

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KenEllis's picture

November 03, 2020 at 06:20 pm

Packers being proactive about winning a Super Bowl?

Never happened under Teddy T and it is not going to happen under his boy Brian.

Got to stockpile draft picks for the Jordan Love era which Gutey apparently wants to start sooner rather than later.

Can't wait until (how many?) free agents like Bakh, Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, Linsley, and Kevin King leave next year and we get a haul of additional 2022 compensatory picks.

It is always about planning for the future in Green Bay not the present.

The Organization wants to be competitive, it is not terribly interested in winning a Super Bowl.

But hey, with Aaron still going strong we should win the crappy NFC North again in 2020 isn't that good enough?

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:08 am

So the question of the day is if they make a trade are they trading for offense or defense.

There is no question that we could use more help on the defense, but I think its going to be harder trading for a quality DL then it is for a quality WR. There are simply just more quality WR's out there. And is 1 DL going to fix our entire defense? Williams is great and I would be all for trading for him. But what will the cost be and will he alone be the savior that fixes our entire defense?

I do think it will be easier to trade for a WR. There are a lot more WR's that could come in and make an impact then there are DL. Adams is great. I really like Lazard and he will be back soon. But MVS should be a 3 or 4 at best. EQ is struggling coming back. He has more drops then catches so far. I still like him but he needs time. TIme that we really don't have. After this weeks game we are half way done.

There have been a lot of rumors connecting the Packers to trading for Will Fuller. Fuller would give us a fast option that our offense lacks. He would be a great compliment to Adams. MVS is fast but its becoming clear that he can't be a number 1 or 2 WR. Adding Fuller would allow MVS to be our 4th guy (once Lazard comes back too) where he should be.
For me to it isn't completely about upgrading MVS. Its upgrading over what is behind MVS. Shepherd and Taylor.

If we can make our offense more potent with an addition like Fuller, and we get back Jones and Lazard, and EQ slowly working his way back. I think our offense becomes really scary to teams. Right now the problem is with Jones and Lazard out, we basically just have Adams. The good teams find ways to shut down the oppenents best player. If we can add 1 more weapons, our offense will be really tough to stop!

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murf7777's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:21 am

I’d go DL with Quinn Williams, depending on price. Not only will he help this year he could as well for the next two or more. Will it fix our D, not necessarily because it was very evident our young ILB’s missed gap control multiple times Sunday that was partially responsible for much of their big plays. I like their potential but for this year we need a healthy Greene and Kirksey. Add them with Williams and that could make our D much better.

Our O has proven to be very effective if at full strength. We get Jones and Lazard’s back and with a better D we can give it a run. If we remain a sieve at D we have very little chance in the playoffs.

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Guam's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:34 am

Agreed Murf. The offense has shown well in a number of games this year and if the Packers can get their injured starters back, the offense should be fine. The defense has not been nearly so good and clearly is in greater need of help. Will Gute pull the trigger? That I don't know.

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Nate-1980's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:35 pm

I don’t see how the offense is fine, they only scored a bunch of points against bad defenses.. Hell the Vikings kept them in check with 5th stringers.. No doubt our defense is horrid, but in our losses the offense goes completely stagnant..

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:21 am

A two for Williams and toss in a player.

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Istanbul's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:38 pm

Jets say they're not shopping Williams. What might it take though? I'd offer a 1st and a 4th.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 04, 2020 at 03:24 am

Jets would have to take $17.6M in dead money to trade Williams. That suggests to me that the Jets would indeed require a first round pick, especially one likely to be the mid to late twenties.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:34 am

BG to the Texans' GM: We'll give you a 3rd and all the active WRs on our roster not named Adams for Fuller.
Texans' GM: Tell you what, you give us a 4th and KEEP all those WRs.

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Since'61's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:21 am

Cookie! Thanks, Since ‘61

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flackcatcher's picture

November 03, 2020 at 02:03 pm

You know, Gute was almost the Texans' GM. If it hadn't been for one midnight phone call at the Houston airport, just before he got into the owners limbo...

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jlc1's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:22 am

Sadly "we've gotta get it fixed" sounds exactly like McCarthy in his last few years. If it is exactly like McCarthy then it also means it won't get fixed. It is hard to see how a team that tackles worse than anyone else can fix it.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:44 am

"We've gotta get it fixed" is said by just about every HC in every post-game presser following a loss.

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Archie's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:29 am

I would find a way to get BOTH Williams and a borderline #1 WR. If it costs us our #2 and #3 picks, so be it. Anything less and 2020 is toast. Of course, with Williams, if this defense doesn't improve markedly against the run, you have got to replace Pettine too. Too much talent on defense to be playing like swiss cheese.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:54 am

If we did that we may as well let Rodgers go at the end of the season. The impact on our cap and roster for the next few years would be devastating.

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PeteK's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:27 am

The Jets just squashed any Williams trade rumors. Too bad because he would be ideal for what ails us.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:40 am

Quashed.
Look it up.

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PeteK's picture

November 03, 2020 at 04:43 pm

Squashed sounds better and gives a better mental pic, LOL ( thanks for correction)

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:51 am

Quinnen Williams pulled a hammy on Sunday. No word on the severity of the injury, but it impacts his trade value.

As for contract, he's cheaper than he looks on the surface...TGR can correct me if I'm wrong, but when you trade for a player, the cap hit due to his signing bonus stays with his previous team, and the acquiring team is responsible for the ongoing cash value of his contract, and any roster/workout/etc. bonuses that are incurred on his contract after the trade. So that's about $5M off the listed cap hit on Williams (and it accelerates that value onto the Jets' cap this year) each of the next two seasons: he'd cost about $4M in 2021 and $5M in 2022. That's a little less than what you get back if you cut Lowry.

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PeteK's picture

November 03, 2020 at 04:46 pm

Thanks for the info. He would be a great addition, 3 sacks and 5 stfs

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 04, 2020 at 03:42 am

Williams cap numbers to GB if acquired:

2020: 357K
2021: $3.62M
2022: $5.89M
2023: 5th year option number.

Williams would be dirt cheap for years. Cutting Lowry would pay for Williams in 2021. Jets probably want at least a first for Williams. Not sure he is really playing that well.

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The_Justicar's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:31 am

Trade for Fuller and Williams. Not sure Jets would take a 2 and a 3 but for a young player picked 3rd in draft - I’d take that if I’m the packers.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:33 am

Pretty sure we cant afford both.

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The_Justicar's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:32 am

Depends. Rumor is Houston wants a first for Fuller. That would mean trading a 1,2, and 3 to get two players. Could you trade a 2nd this draft and a 3rd one year later...that would be better. I would also help if Fuller would sign an extension. We have done so poorly drafting in early rounds since Alexander...I’d say getting two good nfl players - two definite starters, one in Williams who still has a high ceiling...I’d give up the 3 picks. We would probably butcher the picks anyway.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:29 am

If Houston is really in rebuild mode (and after the BOB fiasco, why would they not be?), and they don't plan to resign Fuller off the open market, they'll take anything that looks like more than they'll get as a comp pick...because 1) they get more value in return, and 2) they get to use that pick in 2021 rather than 2022.

If the Packers wait them out, Houston's price will drop as we get close to the deadline. It's just a matter of whether it drops to what the Packers are offering and whether or not another team jumps ahead of the Packers.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:02 pm

Of course. But it also may drop below what others will offer.

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marpag1's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:21 am

Admittedly, the world is full of pretty dumb people, but no one in their right mind would actually give a first rounder for Will Fuller.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:18 pm

"...no one in their right mind would actually give a first rounder for Will Fuller."

Especially since Bill O'Brien couldn't trade for his own guy...

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Duneslick's picture

November 03, 2020 at 02:22 pm

Fuller will be a free agent next year and GB already can not sign all of their own players as it is. 8 game rental for 2nd rd NO. Now i dont know what compensation they will get for fuller after he leaves next year (3rd). But his salary eats up cap and they cannot carry that Cap not used over to next year

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gkarl's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:37 am

MLF is right first and foremost its on the coaching staff and players to fix the immediate problem. Sure adding quality DL and WR would help but not guarantee anything, but at what cost, the losing of key pending FA's and the draft picks to replace them, I'm not buying into that. Not sure MLF and Gute are either. Ultimately its on the current players and staff.

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Guam's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:42 am

If Gute doesn't seek help by the trading deadline, does that indicate that the Packers are willing to just settle for being good and not great or does that indicate that the Rodgers era in Green Bay is over? If you are going to move on from Rodgers, 2021 is the time to make that move. The Packers would free up enough cap space in 2021 through 2023 to sign their younger free agents (not Bahk or LInsley) who would be part of a rebuild and acquire draft choices to build around Boyle and Love.

The next 24 hours should be telling.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:34 am

2022 is the first year the Packers can get out from under Rodgers contract. Take a look at the dead money Guam Rodgers will still be a Packer in 2021. The 2019 draft sure looked like Gute felt we were in rebuild now mode. I don't see him making a trade to save our 2020 season but you never know.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:07 am

The Packers actually get about $5M back on the 2021 cap if they trade or cut ARod after the current 2020 season. It completely clears him off the 2022 cap.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:04 pm

Surely we aren’t arguing for that to get a WR at this point? This whole conversation seems to have thrown the baby out with the bath water long ago.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:20 pm

Oh, no. Just saying that there's a net positive on the salary cap even this off-season if ARod were to be moved. I think based on what we're seeing him do now, that move would be premature...unless they love Love and decide to build around him now. Given that Love has not yet moved past Boyle to be active on game day, I would say that ain't happening.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:38 am

They can get out in 2021 but the cap hit would be nearly equal to the contract value.
By getting out in 2022 it's something goofy like only a 6 or 10 million hit on the 35 million dollar contract.

Which is why you are correct that Rodgers is still her next year (unless they were to trade him for a boat load of picks and a stud defender, which might not be a bad idea).

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Guam's picture

November 03, 2020 at 05:29 pm

2022 would be the first year of large savings on the Rodgers contract, but Dobber is right, a trade after this season would generate about $5 million in cap savings in 2021. Which is why I was suggesting a trade after this season might be appropriate - it frees up enough cap space to sign the young players and should generate some draft choices. What would SF pay to acquire a QB that could take them to a SB win?

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Lare's picture

November 03, 2020 at 12:22 pm

I suspect Gutekunst is looking more at the future than the present.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 04, 2020 at 03:50 am

It means GB is willing to settle for being pretty good.

2021 looks like an exodus of talent. Will the offense be good w/o Bakh, Linsley, Jones and Lewis? I don't think Dillon and Deguara will offset those losses.

Next window is 2022. Will AR still be in GB? Will he still be very good to elite? Will Love be very good to elite? If no to those last two questions, then it doesn't matter about trying to reach a SB because it won't happen.

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Wando's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:54 am

Defense wins championships.........They made it to the finals last year with same cast on offense. They Can't stop the run. Pettrine is nothing more than a high school coach!....Fire him NOW!

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marginwalker76's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:04 am

Draft deadline? Do you mean trade deadline?

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CoryJennerjohn's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:12 am

Good catch marginwalker76. Thanks.

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ricky's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:06 am

Is the Packers defense talented? Except for Clark, the DL is a JAG fest. Yes, on occasion Adams or Keke or someone will make a play, but for every down consistency, there is only Clark. The team went into FA for LBers, and got the Smith's, who both had career years last year. This year? Both mainly MIA. Gary drafted at #12 can't stay healthy. Kirksey was a mistake, but it looks like Barnes and Martin might be OK/good. But they had a chance to add the speed and ferocity of someone like Queen. No comparison. The CB 's are Alexander and an often injured King, and more JAG's. Safety shows the same thing- decent, solid, but not playmakers. Last year's draft was looking toward the future, and again ignoring the present. When you're on the cusp, you look to improve your team immediately, especially when you have a QB who is getting older, and more set in his ways. Time for someone like Bob Harlan to hire the right people in the front office to make better decisions.

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BAMABADGER's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:15 am

Agree, but Martin and Barnes are JAGs as well. DB/Safety position would be better if we had quality DL and LBs esp ILBs.

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Lphill's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:20 am

It shouldn’t be that hard to find a big body out there in return for a draft pick , it’s also on Pettine , with Clark out Lancaster was good at nose , why can’t he stay there and use Clark and Keke as tackles, Clark is really not heavy enough to be considered a nose tackle I think Lancaster is heavier and shorter , harder to block.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:57 am

According to Packers.com...

Kenny Clark: 6'3", 314 lbs
Tyler Lancaster: 6'3", 313 lbs

I think that the difference is that teams are going to double Clark more often and scheme him out of plays. Lancaster doesn't get that first nod from an opposing OL.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:06 pm

Let’s be clear, we don’t need a primary NT, as both of those are. We need ability that can line up with Clark.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:33 am

The Steelers got ILB Williamson from the Jets for a 2022 5th rounder. The Titans got Safety King for a 6th rounder, which was a steal. Both of these players would have upgraded our defense at a small price. I know they are not DL nor Wr but our porous defense needs help at every level. We have 2 rookie ILBs who have played well but make mistakes. Our safeties are playing so bad! Both Amos and Savage seem invisible on the field. They don't make tackles, don't break up passes, and have 0 interceptions. Upgrades are needed but don't hold your breath. Gutenkunst isn't willing to trade away 5th and 6th rounders for starters on other teams. There is no win now mentality. It's all about drafting future busts.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:55 am

Amos made a great pass breakup against TB and played well against the Vikings. Savage has been injured. I don't think it's the safety play that's breaking our defense that starts up front in the trenches. Clark has been invisible since his return.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:10 pm

Clark has been banged up and, if you were the opposing team, who else do you need to focus on. If we only needed a one man line don’t you think Pettine would play one? Lowry has been a turnstile. The only one who has been consistent is Winn, but he has played so few snaps (why?). Keke and Adams have flashed, but Keke wouldn’t be my first choice against a run heavy opponent.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 04, 2020 at 04:00 am

Savage has severely regressed. Savage has a whopping 20% missed tackle rate. Amos has a 10% rate which is so-so at best. Savage and Amos combined to miss 5 tackles against the Vikings.

Safeties have been part of the problem. I think Redmond has been better than Savage at FS this year, but I am willing to put up with Savage's meh minus play in hopes of getting the upside that Savage has.

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febnyc's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:45 pm

Absolutely, this front office has their heads up their asses. They are satisfied by filling seats and positive revenue stream, but not all in on winning now. I can't believe AR is happy, I know Kenny Clark can't be happy. More disgusted than ever. Worst Packer draft EVER!

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EdsLaces's picture

November 03, 2020 at 08:33 am

You had me at " my neighbor " . Haha

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Lphill's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:01 am

Lets remember the Packers are not getting much production in games from their first 3 draft picks , as most teams usually do , one is not ready , one is hurt and the other gets a handful of snaps, after the draft many here said wow what a great draft for the future remember?

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NitschkeFan's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:41 am

That's no production from the first 4 Rounds worth of picks!! Remember Love cost us two picks.

So 4 rounds into the draft and the Packers had picked no help for DL, ILB, WR

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SpikeHyzer's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:33 am

Love cost ONE pick.
We swapped one pick for another, so that is an even up trade, except that we added in a pick to get it.
The true NET cost was ONE pick.
Incorrect analysis.
There were also NO good players left at those positions when the Packers picked and no trades that could be made to move up for someone like Patrick Queen or Justin Jefferson.

It was a great draft. Get over yourself.

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splitpea1's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:49 am

Nobody in their right mind can say right now that this was a great draft; the only analysis you can come up with right now is "incomplete"-- at the very best. And Queen and Higgins would have both been available had the Packers not traded up.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:32 pm

True, the Packers exercised one pick to take Love, but it cost two picks in trade to acquire that one pick. Whatever the case, the timeline for selecting Love reduced the total number of picks available to the Packers by one additional pick.

Patrick Queen went to the Ravens at pick #28. The Packers selected Love with pick #26. They had a shot at him, they just chose someone else.

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Nate-1980's picture

November 03, 2020 at 02:01 pm

Great draft hahahaha, wow I’ll have what you’re smoking spike..Oh and it did cost 2 picks..

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ShooterMcGee's picture

November 03, 2020 at 04:47 pm

There were a plethora of good players available such as Chase Claypool, Tee Higgins, Patrick Queen, Pittman, Shenault, Chinn, Mims etc...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 04, 2020 at 04:03 am

Semantics. Love cost our first and a fourth. That's two picks. Love cost one extra pick.

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calabasa's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:03 am

Why must blitzes always be “dialed up”? Can’t they just blitz? Maybe that’s why he blitzes so rarely- he has to go find a big knob and dial it up.

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cheesehead1's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:30 am

Defense still wins IMO. I have no faith in our D whatsoever. It’s been like this for many years and the responsibility lies with management. If we do happen to make a trade (which I doubt) I hope it’s for D help and not a rental.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:40 am

You just need to be explosive. If defenses win championships than SF would have beaten KC in the SB last year. The Packers offense started off hot against the Vikings in the first half and fell flat in the second. The Vikings found a way to contain Adams while the Packers failed to bottle up Cook.

If all it took was defense then the Chicago Bears would win every game. They don't because their offense is just that bad. Packers are the Bears in reverse.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:27 am

A great offense is a blessing, but expecting to hold serve against other very good teams is not a solid plan. Losing some of much esteemed impending free agents is a reality. Bakh, Linsley and King are all playing their last for GB, possibly before 4 EST If a trade is available to shore up the DL, a BIG if, Gute needs to pull the trigger.

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Crazedcamel's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:31 am

Go all in for this season. Tough decisions will have to be made next year regarding our FA’s and a couple of extremely overpaid defensive players under contract , but if they rent Fuller and get a quality DL a Super Bowl may be possible.

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Since'61's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:35 am

Professional sports is always about winning now. If you’re not playing to win today what are you doing out there?
Win this season, worry about next season when this season is over. Lombardi wanted to win every season, no excuse.

As for the current Packers, the offensive side is fine, especially once they have their players back. The Packers can win with their current offense. They biggest need is a DL who can drop the anchor and hold the point of attack.
This would allow our ILBs to make a stop before the RB has 5+ yards. We have Clark but he has not been very effective this season. He needs someone else who does not get blown off the LOS the way Lowry and Lancaster have been this season.

The Packers need a Howard Green type of DL who the Packers brought in specifically to stop the run. If they need to give up draft choices so be it. That’s the price to be paid if they want to win this season since they did not address the DL during the offseason.

Gute is similar to TT in that he is allowing a position to linger without filling it for a few seasons. Our pass defense is our defensive strength but if teams have no need to pass against us what’s the point? The future is now. Go get a DL who can play. Thanks, Since ‘61

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OldPacker's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:13 am

You hit the nail on the head!!!

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Archie's picture

November 03, 2020 at 12:09 pm

"....Our pass defense is our defensive strength but if teams have no need to pass against us what’s the point?...."

That says it all in a nutshell.

If Gute doesn't make a couple of trades today I will be very disappointed. In fact, I'd go as far to say, trade AROD, rather than waste his talents while cutting much of the talent around him due to salary cap.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:16 pm

Professional sports is not all about winning now for the franchises, it’s about revenue and being competitive. Sorry to burst your bubble. Fans are about winning now and have short memories when “now” was last year.

GMs keep their job by keeping teams in contention as time rolls rosters. LaFleur us building for the future as he was appointed by Murphy to do. Gute’s job is to give him a reshaped roster according to that plan. Won’t end with the last draft.

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NitschkeFan's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:48 am

The only slightly positive thing to remind everyone of this past weekend:
In addition to the 5-1 packer's losing,
The 5-1 Titans lost
The 5-2 Brown's lost
The 5-2 Ram's lost
The 5-1 Raven's lost

Of course that doesn't look as reassuring if you consider,
The 5-2 Bucs won
The 6-0 Steelers won
The 5-1 Seahawks won
The 4-2 Saints won
The 6-1 Chiefs won
The 5-2 Bills won

So where does that leave us? Probably a top 10 team but not likely able to beat one of the top 5 teams unless something dramatic happens to improve our D.

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frankthefork's picture

November 03, 2020 at 02:03 pm

Right on. We need defensive leadership. 2 players away, but I'll take one for now please.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:05 am

The Packers need to make a move within the confines of their long-term roster plans...whatever those happen to be. This is the maddening part, because I would argue the actual plan isn't clear. If they've been planning to win within the ARod window (whatever that is) then they need to make moves to make that happen. If BG is playing the long game with this team and roster (and feeling OK giving his team a puncher's chance with ARod) then he won't make any moves. In the end, if you're playing the long game, but give away a buttload of picks to take an all-in shot, you're handcuffing what you've been setting up for your team. If you've been playing for the window...well, this is what it's all about.

Even if BG is playing the long game, moving a couple day 3 picks (given they'll get 3 picks back in comps next spring) is a small price to pay and shouldn't hamper any longer-term goals while still giving this team a better shot to win it all now. Cap management is a potential problem, but it's up to the brain trust to find those guys who aren't going to stall out the cap even further.

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Coldworld's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:19 pm

“ Cap management is a potential problem, but it's up to the brain trust to find those guys who aren't going to stall out the cap even further.”

Easily said but tough when there are limited options as there are now and one of the reasons to move is typically cost. Yes, correct sentiment but not necessarily realistic at this point.

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gkarl's picture

November 03, 2020 at 03:17 pm

This^^^^^^ . I think TGR said we only have about 3.2M in cap space left TY. If we add a 6m contract in trade who do we drop to cover the 2.8M over and still have 53 actives? Lowry maybe, IDK, hopefully FO does/would.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 04, 2020 at 04:14 am

Does anybody know what Gute's plan is (or was)? What's his philosophy? I never figured that out.

Packers' effective cap space is around $6M. Probably spendable amount is less, maybe $4M depending on how all in Gute is.

Looks like he's not "all-in" for 2020 (except he inquired about Ertz, which I actually find puzzling given Tonyan and Sternberger's upside). It looks like he is willing to spend modest capital on 2020 at best. We shall see if Ball/Gute mangle the cap to keep their free agents in 2021. I doubt they will be willing to give bizarrely structured contracts to Bakh et al.

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gkarl's picture

November 04, 2020 at 07:08 am

Thanks for updating the cap numbers, I couldn't remember the exact figures you stated it was a few cap article ago. Still it's an issue and I agree looks like he's not all in for 2020. 2021 cap will be anybody guess at this point too.

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OldPacker's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:09 am

Excellent ... I always find it interesting that over the last 5 to 6 years 3 undrafted FA make the 53 not counting the PS. So with most position of offense set ,,basically we are a SB contender almost every year ? Draft Picks are just a gamble with no way of knowing success ... this is why Draft Picks should not be so highly valued !. 2 GM's ago we always brought in Talent in area's of need ( look at the SB teams roster ) Heck, we didn't Draft Favre ... I think we have played enough games to decide area's of need ... yes , you can blame coaching but without the right players you will not succeed ...Look at the offensive genius MM in Dallas, how's it going in New England ?? another genius HC failing! Just very frustrating.. all the FO is doing is dangling a carrot. worried about losing their jobs by being bold .. it's sad :-(

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:34 am

Now you got it. That seems to be their M.O. Horde picks and miss on 50-60%.

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rob44rml's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:50 am

It's a long-term plan that won't include a Super Bowl victory...just keep the competitive edge to bring in the money.
Funny, how NE over their years went all in-draft, FAs and trades to stay not only competitive BUT winning SBs...now they are suffering, but I think people would be satisfied with all those SB trophies for so many years to have something to remember..GB...nothing !! oh yeah 1 each for Favre and AR-lots of lesser QBs have only 1 SB ring..

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rob44rml's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:50 am

It's a long-term plan that won't include a Super Bowl victory...just keep the competitive edge to bring in the money.
Funny, how NE over their years went all in-draft, FAs and trades to stay not only competitive BUT winning SBs...now they are suffering, but I think people would be satisfied with all those SB trophies for so many years to have something to remember..GB...nothing !! oh yeah 1 each for Favre and AR-lots of lesser QBs have only 1 SB ring..

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flackcatcher's picture

November 03, 2020 at 03:57 pm

So close to getting Fuller. As always the hangup was on contract length. Idiot media types want their stories. Packers GM wants value for paid contract. Guess who wins.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:05 pm

Front offices play the long game (see Dobber comment above) that must be balanced with win now. What does a team choose. Jerry Jones always chooses now, and look where Dallas is. That's not on McCarthy. He didn't choose the roster, nor did he screw up their defense. Enough about Dallas. Packers are playing a very long game here in the front office. In order to win future they need to keep their draft choices including their Comp picks. Those are players that will be depth now, and future core or starters. But at the same time they need to shore up their DL if possible to win now. (Last Sunday the Packers were outcoached and outschemed on both sides of the ball. It happens) The question is, is it possible in this current Covid-19 season. So far, the answer seems to be no...

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stockholder's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:11 am

The packers must choose the present?? NO, No they Don't. And No they won't! BG screwed up the packers for years to come. He doesn't value draft picks. He gives them away. Love was the wrong pick. You needed a ILB and everyone knew it. The argument was for Murray. And Queen, should have been the pick! A defensive leader FIRST. The heart and Soul. For the present and the future. Next- BG fell in love with Lowrey. When everyone knew something wasn't right with DL. Pass after Pass on the DL. Whether it was the Draft or FA. And then avoid signing your own. Remember Montgomery? Players want to be paid. Their chances are now. BG screwed up this club and it will only get worst. The first job is to fix the OL again. Protect Rodgers. The stonewall is falling apart. Playing guys out of their NORMAL position, doesn't help Rodgers. Expect Back problems. Regardless; No future will be bright, until the Trench gets Fixed with the proper players starting. We need to stop the run. Like the Wendys commercial says: Wheres the BEEF? Wolf knew it and Fixed it. If you can't draft it. Trade for it. We have the means.

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Andresmo93's picture

November 05, 2020 at 11:09 am

100% agree with you. We had clear needs at LB, DL, WR and OL and they adressed none. Our window to be narrow minded and go all in for the title in terms of caps space and picks is closing fast.

Rodgers is playing great but even if he wasnt he is going nowhere. The first out of his contract if they want to go that pace is on 2022 with 17 million in dead cap. His cap hit this year is 21 million, the next year it will sky up to 36 (then the opt-out) and almost 40 million of cap hit in 2022. As you can see, 2020 was the year with the lowest cap hit on his contract, then youll have less cap. Meanwhile, you are wasting Love's rookie contract which is an already classic competitive edge in the NFL.

Bakhtiari is asking for more than 22M a year. Clark got more than 20M/year guaranteed after this season. Also 20M/year for Zadarius whose contract ends in 2022. That same year 2022 well have to resign Davante and exercise Jaire's fifth year option for about lets say 15M.
I dont know how are they going to afford all of them. The simple answer is they cant.

I hope Love has a great career in GB, he has no blame at all. But there is no good scenario for him. They should have gone WR and LB or even LT if they arent bringing back Bakhtiari this last draft. We would be a better team right now and it would make sense cap wise. We have Rodgers paid for a long time, it was time to attend our needs now and if the LB or WR is a success pay him when A-Rod is gone.

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rob44rml's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:43 am

well, it was pretty obvious that they are focusing on the future with the draft. They just want AR to bring in their revenue but won't spend to win now. Same plan as TT who basically 'gutted' the Packers for the future. If Gute doesn't pull the trigger today on SOMEONE who can help, then maybe AR should start throwing bricks and getting Gute and Murphy gone...they aren't going 'all in' to win now..and...THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER HALL-OF-FAME QB WAITING IN THE WINGS !!

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rob44rml's picture

November 03, 2020 at 10:53 am

anybody know if there's a blog spot that Gute can read ?

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OldPacker's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:36 am

What I have done in the past is get the Fax # for team... then Fax him Attn BG .. I have a service that you can fax with email ... UPS, Staples ,etc all have fax service .. just a few bucks ,,keep it to one page no cover page
.nothing to lose has 50/50 chance it might get read .. maybe send it to ASST: GM that does not get as much communications .. Once, 2 years ago before Draft I suggested drafting a red zone receiver .. Basketball player with some football experience 6'7 plus all AR has to do is throw it high ..no way to defend it unless you stop him at line of scrimmage .. Guess what they got a basketball player ..it didn't work out the guy just didn't like Football after training camp...maybe it was a coincidence??? Who knows ? but they never did it in the past, SO???

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Lare's picture

November 03, 2020 at 12:30 pm

Can Gutekunst read?

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SpikeHyzer's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:26 am

It's not the fault of either Pettine or the scheme that players take bad angles and have poor technique on the hit. They are being taught the right way. They are not performing well.

This is all on the players. We clearly can't find a single defensive player who could fix that, so it's obviously time to plan for the future.
The Pack cannot win a Super Bowl this year because the players cannot tackle (Pettine hasn't missed one!).

And a WR will not help one of the best offenses in the league (which would have scored more last Sunday if the defense hadn't been so bad).

Forget about this year. It's over.

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splitpea1's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:31 am

The problem is that they already chose the future, and so far, this draft class has contributed next to nothing. I've caught some sizeable chunks of Ravens and Bengals games, and both Queen and Higgins have looked awfully good (they'd look even better in Packers uniforms). The upper rounds of the draft were pretty thin as far as disruptive D-lineman go, but still, Gute should have made a better effort to find the next best thing; I mean, the problem was and still is staring him right in the face.

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marpag1's picture

November 03, 2020 at 11:29 am

Will Fuller is little more than a prayer offered in desperation. In his first 4 years the dude played in 14, 10, 7 and 11 games. If you trade for him, you're just praying to get lucky and beat the odds on his next injury.

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dobber's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:27 pm

The unfortunate truth. Not to mention the amount of time it will take for him to pass Covid protocols, acclimate to the offense, and start being recognized by #12.

More bang for your buck finding defensive players who can make a difference. The threshhold for that is much lower than on offense.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

November 03, 2020 at 07:52 pm

Yeah. And still have him for only 8 games. For a second rounder. The Packers have cap to sign him to a new contract next year? People are crazy.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

November 03, 2020 at 12:35 pm

But there is hope!! I understand the Packers “checked in” with Antonio Brown... BG just wanted to see if
he would be willing to play for free this year and pay for his own travel. Seriously this guy BG is clueless. He is TT 2.0

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Lare's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:13 pm

I think Gutekunst's idea of being active at the trade deadline is calling up player's agents and asking them what they had for lunch today.

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Andresmo93's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:03 pm

We are a good not great team. The ownership and management is OK with that. They are way more focused in stability than in anything else. I totally agree with the article but they didnt feel any rush to go for it this year. So they did what Green Bay does, stability, cap integrity, no risk no bullshit policy. They drafted who they should think is our third HOF qb in a row and resigned Clark.
Gutekunst has done many good things, most important he hit with the coach which is the most important thing in his job, he hired Lafleur who i think is a great coach and nailed free agency a year and a half ago signing the smith bros and amos.
But his track in the draft is poor. In 3 years he has had IMO just two really good picks: Alexander and Jenkins. From 2018 aside Jaire, Josh Jackson and Oren Burks are not good values for second day picks and are going to have to find another team soon. MVS its a good value for a fifth and JK Scott is an average punter, a reach.
From 2019, Jenkins is a steal of a 2nd rounder, Sternberger is progressing and he could be something and Keke its a role player. Gary was a luxury pick, who wasnt going to play right away and who might eventually be a good player but i think it was too high of a pick for an investment. Savage its an average safety who has Ha-ha and Demarious written all over, good player but not one you want to pay the big money entering a second contract. Thats all. From last draft Cory you are absolutely right, no rookie is being relevant or producing. The best sensations come from Kamal and from Barnes who nonetheless are greener than our logo right now.
So lotta ball game left and lets enjoy the good moments with our Packers. Never in Rodgers career theyve made any kind of midseason trade to be more of a contender. We all have seen all pro LB elegible in the draft ignored because they dont value the position, theyve never drafted a WR in the first round with AR at QB. Sometimes they hit and sometimes they miss and thats where we stand upper (because weve had the luxury of getting back to back talents like Favre and Rodgers) middle of the pack.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 03, 2020 at 01:42 pm

Gute didn't hire MLF Mark Muprhy did. Drafting a WR in the 1st round doesn't matter if you can get better value in the 2nd. Davante Adams is a top 5 WR in the league and was a 2nd round pick. Since Gute has taken over at GM the highest draft pick we spent on WR was a 4th rounder on Moore who we cut. Yet we spend 2 3rd rounders on TEs with Deguara and Sternberger who both show promise.

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Andresmo93's picture

November 05, 2020 at 10:20 am

My point was that this management is very conservative. They never take a risk trying to make a run for the title, they just replace players, via draft or FA. As everybody does, sometimes they make good choices and sometimes they dont. The smith bros are the depht chart and cap replacement of Clay Matthews and Nick Perry. That time they hit and we improved.

The thing is that when youve hit back to back in certain positions and you possess a talented roster thats the time to take risks. You have a QB like Aaron Rodgers, as you say a top 5 WR in Davante, a very nice RB in Aaron Jones, a HOF LT in Bakhtiari, 3 pro bowl caliber defenders in Clark, Zadarius and Alexander, some very solid pieces in the OL and elsewhere but you also have some glaring needs at DL, LB and WR. If you dont invest and hurry up to to figure out immediately those problems and try win a title having that amount of talent now, what usually happens is that ultimately you loose what you already have, because every team is a couple of injuries away to fall apart. Players also age very fast.

When you dont go for it when you are close talent wise the pressure to pick the right guys escalates quickly

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

November 03, 2020 at 03:27 pm

BG is another GM who should not be in charge of anything. Totally lost. As long as Howdy Doody MM is there this team will never win another SB.

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rob44rml's picture

November 03, 2020 at 04:19 pm

well...deadline passed....no help as usual from the front office for this season...TIGHTWADS. Bet they don't even have the b++ls to fire Pettine and get a real DC.
Too bad there's not a trade market for GMs...might get a 7th round pick in exchange for Gute..or should we call him Gutless....

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

November 03, 2020 at 06:17 pm

Gutless is appropriate!! Another HOF QB with 1 ring. Just unbelievable. Fault is on Mark Murphy. He’s a goof ball

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MTmind's picture

November 04, 2020 at 09:31 am

This will be a political analogy, so keep scrolling if triggered.

It seems half our nation has zero forethought about how our actions now will effect coming generations. Concentrating on the “now” puts me in thought of animals rather than human beings. Animals act and react on instinct while humans are supposed to be able to use rational thinking to both survive and thrive, sometimes at the cost of the individual. The Packer fans who want to win “now” will have team that resembles all those who are great for a year or two, maybe reach the Super Bowl and win, and then are terrible and non-competitive for the next decade. The Packers have been consistent winners (much like most American citizens when compared to most people in the world) and have become completely spoiled. The simple answer is to get rid of Pettine. Almost anyone with a modicum of coaching experience will do better with the average level of skill players we currently have on defense. Don’t sacrifice the future for some puzzle pieces that will still not fit (random Hail Mary shots at defensive players before the trade deadline) due to a coach who is so clearly not fit for his own position. It took forever to get rid of McCarthy. Look how he’s working out in Dallas. Our defense would get an immediate boost with someone competent calling the shots. And forget about acquiring a WR at this point. Talk about a pointless effort in grasping at straws to fix a problem that clearly isn’t going to make a difference.

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