Cory's Corner: Packers Do More With Less

The Packers are the gold standard for getting the most out of their talent. 

The reason why the Packers have been consistently solid over the years is because they consistently do more with less. 

I realize that there is still a large contingent of people that don’t like general manager Brian Gutekunst but he has done a tremendous job of mining hidden gems. 

First and foremost is Romeo Doubs. The 2022 wide receiver class was one of the deepest in recent years and the Packers calmly took Doubs as the 19th receiver. The 6-foot-2 wideout is having a great camp — highlighted by the tremendous catch he made over arguably one of the best cover corners in the NFC in Jaire Alexander. Doubs may be a fourth round pick, but those are plays that are usually made by first round picks. 

Secondly, there’s Zach Tom. The fourth round pick in 2022 was very impressive last year by playing left guard, left tackle and right tackle. So in his rookie season he was asked to do a lot and he came through with a lot of success. Fast forward this year and Tom is pushing Josh Meyers at center as coach Matt LaFleur looks for, “Our best five out there.” Tom reminds me a lot of Elgton Jenkins in that he is willing to do whatever helps the team win — which is why this offensive line is in a great spot. 

Next, there’s Marquez Valdes-Scantling. As a 2018 fifth round pick, he continued to get better. He started 10 games as a rookie and registered 20.9 yards per reception in 2020. Granted, he only has a 50.3 career catch percentage, but he turned that speed into a three-year, $30 million deal with the Chiefs. 

Finally, there’s Tucker Kraft — and my favorite draft pick from the 2023 class. The third round pick from South Dakota State has all the tools to be a very good tight end. He has soft hands, he runs through contact and he is an excellent blocker. 

I realize that people will drop names like Amari Rodgers, Jace Sternberger and J’Mon Moore. Those guys were busts, but when you continually mine for talent like the Packers have been, you have to be willing to take the risk with the reward. 

I’m willing to live with an occasional Sternberger if I can get a Tom in return. That’s a great trade and one that Gutekunst would be happy and grateful for. 

NFL teams routinely get judged by how they do with their first round picks and those picks have been very solid for Green Bay. But what really separates the Packers from other teams is how much value they have been getting in later rounds. 

 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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marpag1's picture

August 05, 2023 at 06:39 am

The reason the Packers have been consistently solid over the years is because Ron Wolf gave a first round pick for Brett Favre and Ted Thompson gave a first round pick for Aaron Rodgers.

We'll see about the first round pick for Jordan Love.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:08 am

well. there was that. but other than those two, there must have been a late round draft pick that...oh, nevermind.

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 05, 2023 at 10:01 am

“Gave a first round pick for Rodgers”? Didn’t he just stand pat and Rodgers fell to him? Did you mean USED a 1st rd pick on Rodgers?

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marpag1's picture

August 05, 2023 at 11:13 am

LOL. Are you really trying to split that hair? Fine, call it whatever you like. "He USED the pick on Rodgers."

*gasp* Oh, wait! Did you mean he MADE the pick?

*gasp* Oh, wait! Did you mean he CHOSE Rodgers WITH the pick?

*gasp* Oh, wait! Did you mean he SELECTED Rodgers WITH the pick?

*gasp* Oh, wait! Did you mean he EXCHANGED a first round pick FOR Rodgers?

Ted entered the round with the right to select one player. After a while, he had the rights to Aaron Rodgers and no more right to make any other selections in the round. So yeah, he gave up his pick in exchange for the rights to Aaron Rodgers. Does this confuse anyone?

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 05, 2023 at 08:57 pm

Wolf traded away a 1st rounder for Favre.
Thompson merely picked Rodgers in the first round.
Gute traded up in rd 1 to take Love.
Those are all different.
Are you saying they’re all the same?

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marpag1's picture

August 05, 2023 at 09:22 pm

Whether you trade the pick to another team in exchange for a player, or you pick the player yourself in round 1, either way you have acquired a player by means of that pick. I don't give a crap if you did it the one way or the other. The only thing that matters is the quality of the player you acquired.

This is not complicated or hard to understand.

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 06, 2023 at 07:37 am

No, it isn’t, but you don’t have to be an ass about it.

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HarryHodag's picture

August 05, 2023 at 01:32 pm

Delete

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Leatherhead's picture

August 05, 2023 at 01:37 pm

Tremendously insulting to guys like Clifton and Tauscher and Reggie White and Charles Woodson and Jordy, Jones, Jennings, and Driver.

"You guys suck and the only reason we win is that glorious QB we have".

No. I reject that.

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greengold's picture

August 05, 2023 at 02:21 pm

It’s a TEAM sport. Totally agree.

The Packers are just now beginning to recover from Aaron Rodgers’ many years of thinking otherwise.

We’re actually witnessing that fun energy on this Packers team, acting like a team, for the first time in years.

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 02:30 pm

It’s certainly one reason why we’ve not been bad bar a couple of seasons. But it’s also a lesson that even a Hall of Fame QB can’t do it alone. We muffed some additional chances when we should have got further, but we also had blights that undermined the QB: Sherman being promoted and then messing up the roster as GM, Murphy letting Ball audition as GM and do the same as TT declined are examples that stole multiple years.

Yes, a star QB is a recipe for being decent, but it’s not been truly capitalized upon and time has passed it by. Now we have to win with less or prove we really were savants the last time I truly lost it on a pick. What I think we should learn from more profitably is what we did wrong that prevented us from truly capitalizing on Favre and Rodgers.

It feels somewhat ironic to note that one of the things we did right was to move on from Favre. Yes, it might have been handled better by both sides, but it was the right move: a move that resonates now. Time to see if we made the right decisions getting to where we are now and over the last 4 years about those still here on and off the field.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:04 pm

Very clear-headed, spot on.

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cdoemel's picture

August 05, 2023 at 06:13 pm

I read your childish reply below and have to say, it absolutely sounded like you were saying they gave up an additional pick for each of these guys. Maybe you should understand that “gave” and “used” are very different words. *gasp!*

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marpag1's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:52 pm

Just like dense and dimwitted are different words, yet very often they are both perfectly appropriate.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:00 am

First time I have to say that I can agree on your claims in article.

But, it is not only Brian Gitekunst. There is superb scouting department, people who are standing behind all of Packers draft picks, UDFA signings, FA signings (baring scout in character of FPQB) and players taken from others franchizes PS. Kudos to Brian Gutekunst to respect that group of excellent evaluators.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:15 am

I love those "sizeable contingent" sort of comments. There are not significant numbers of people who think Brian Gutekunst is bad at his job. There are some arm chair GM cranks who think they would be better at the helm, but there's no "sizeable contingent".

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greengold's picture

August 05, 2023 at 08:34 am

Spot on, Bitternotsour.

We all here have an understanding of the consensus 3-4 year window before drafts/players drafted can be marked a success or failure. But that doesn’t mean you can’t judge or acknowledge early returns, good or bad.

Personally, I see Gutekunst & his staff, both College & Pro to be right now amongst the best in the NFL. Definitely appears to be ascending as talent evaluators.

2018 after Jaire was pretty ugly. We’ve seen marked incremental improvement since. We’ll see. We’re only now about to witness the early returns on last year, after some nice rookie splashes.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 05, 2023 at 10:01 am

Yes, 2025 will be the third season for current rookies and JL10 as starter, and 4th year for last year's draft. That's when we'll know who panned out and who didn't. I don't expect every pick to be great, but it's looking like a lot of them will prove to be :)

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cdoemel's picture

August 05, 2023 at 06:10 pm

You’re right, but they piss me the f*** off sooo much. And I think lots of them are NFC rival fans. I am NOT saying every cheesehead has to blindly agree with every thing the FO does, but some of the comments are just mean spirited and baseless. So f*** them! Lol

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stockholder's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:26 am

Less?- He’s not Trader Ted.
And Don’t give Rodger’s credit for making them better.
If you want to pull peoples chain.
Make sure the safety valve works before you pull it.
The history of 3rd round failures is ridicules.
Not to mention, the trading away draft value.
It doesn’t take any draft Guru to know a BPA.
And while most late picks are used for depth.
Let’s not forget that the draft use to be 17 rounds.
No GM would blow a super-bowl taking the next
Qb of the future, when you have a MVP.
If Gutey should be praised for anything.
It’s the current free -agents he has picked up.
But I’ll take Ron Wolf first; before Gute anytime.
So cherry pick all you want.
Unless Love gets you to the super-Bowl.
The packer’s run is over.
Thanks to Gute!

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gmeyers1's picture

August 05, 2023 at 07:46 am

You may be right. Always looking to the future can be a road to nowhere. The question might be, "Who were the number 2 & 3 options at the time three years ago?" Would one of those players have been the key to a super bowl appearance? If the next 2 years give us pedestrian Packer teams, that could be part of the answer.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 05, 2023 at 09:27 am

I would have Gutey boy on a very short leash. Still waiting for Armani Rodgers to "develop." Doubs was rated btw a # two-#three pick by most reliable draft guides. The deal was wasting a two pick in 2022. Watson should have gone #22. Wyatt was perfectly selected @ #29. Then round two gives you a RT in Abe Lucas and the choice of Pierce,or Skyy Moore, McBride. 2023 remains open for playmakers. The jury will be out on Van Ness vs Uzomah.

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stockholder's picture

August 05, 2023 at 11:17 am

Ilb, But Tee Higgins was my choice.
I had over 75% thumbs down. Go figure -
A WR to go with Adams- Way to help your QB ! .
The next guy should have been Chinn.
A ILB / Safety guy- Dumb - Just Dumb.
A petine match! Instead he left.
And I would have filled in DL or a center next.
Truthfully the Dl should have been a FA-
No All-pros that draft, equals a Failed draft!

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 02:44 pm

You have picked and pronounced on many stinkers too. You’ve a habit of going quiet about them.

We all have our hits we predicted among misses. The problem is you don’t seem to understand that and really think yourself a savant. Hell, you went on and on about Rodgers over Favre and into his Super Bowl season and regarded TT as you now do Gute. Hindsight-changed fantasy.

Name me a GM with out a bad draft miss and I will bet you his career was over before it started or hasn’t had time to yet. No you are neither a GM, nor the exception.

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greengold's picture

August 05, 2023 at 08:41 am

No, stockholder, the Packers are about to run YOU over. Don’t be surprised if you see BOTH Jordan Love AND Christian Watson tire tracks all across your back by Week 8. “Trading away draft value,” huh?

1. Was a healthy, solid Jace Sternberger a good player?

2. Was it Gutekunst’s fault Sternberger was hit helmet to helmet AGAINST JOINT PRACTICE RULES, destroying his NFL career?

3. Did Aaron Rodgers foster or hinder Amari Rodgers’ growth as a player?

4. Same could be asked of Aaron Rodgers in relation to Josiah Deguara, minus his injuries. I mean, Aaron Rodgers was refusing to run many of the concepts tailor made to Deguara’s strengths upon his selection.

5. I’ll give you the fact that Oren Burks was an R3 dud. Every GM has a bunch of duds like that littered throughout their careers as an NFL GM.

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Rory P Scrotem's picture

August 05, 2023 at 08:52 am

Oh my Lord..."you're totally full of crap! You should move in with Fubared!!"

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Rory P Scrotem's picture

August 05, 2023 at 08:54 am

My comments are for Stockholder..."DOUCHE BAG!"

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 06, 2023 at 10:00 am

Now here's a comment that ridicules!

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 05, 2023 at 08:58 am

totally gutekunst fault that rodgers got old, lacked commitment, and that he turned into a dishonest raging narcissistic anal wart. i lay that completely on gutekunst, just like you.

i also blame him for breaking up rodgers relationship with danica patrick. damn that gutey.

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lou's picture

August 05, 2023 at 09:22 am

Agree that the GM has balanced poor draft choices with some excellent signing of free agents and on the negative side has held onto draft picks too long when it is apparent they are not the answer with the net result being that overall he has done an above average job compared to his counter parts. The real test comes now and Love's and the GM's job are both on the line. If Love is solid the GM will be extended, if not the fan base will continue to ask why with an MVP QB did he not lean to the offense when drafting to provide him with more weapons. He put himself in this position get your popcorn ready.

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 09:51 am

“It doesn’t take a guru to know the BPA”?

Yes, that’s why the draft is a lottery, has always been so and GM hit rates are what they are historically. For every Rodgers there’s a Brohm. In lower rounds several.

Sorry, that’s just beyond silly SH.

As to this piece, all teams have late gem successes. The Packers are not unique. The defining question is how often and how big? If a team can hit marginally more often than the others that is a win. If the team can hit on a Bakh or Brady that is a huge boost to its chances too. This goes beyond the draft to UDFAs like Sam Shields and Nijman and SFAs like Tramon. Such finds can tip the leveling that the draft and cap system tries to ensure.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 05, 2023 at 10:46 am

Meanwhile when we play the Saints, while they won't have Kamara they will have former Packer Jamaal Williams. Gutey played that one right, given that we couldn't keep all three. It still hurt letting him go ...

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 03:26 pm

I have wondered if Williams sprit and character wasn’t a big factor in a lot of the Lions success in lifting the team and exceeding their seeming potential. It may not be true, it may be the HC, but I’ve seen such things occur before. I was very surprised they let him move on.

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dobber's picture

August 07, 2023 at 02:55 pm

Williams was a really good role player for the Lions last season...he ate up the Packers twice.

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stockholder's picture

August 05, 2023 at 11:26 am

From a guy who didn't want Watson.

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 03:02 pm

There you go with your bullshit. Reinventing history.

I was talking about Watson here in December when he was projected as a UDFA/7th rounder if he was even mentioned at all. You had never even heard of him or certainly not mentioned him. Indeed, you didn’t start talking about him till after the combine when a buzz developed. I said throughout that he wasn’t polished, had huge talent but needed to learn a great deal. My issue was whether a high pick on stellar upside but very raw when we were going into yet another Last Dance.

Your standard claim credit for advance insight loudly when the outcome seems certain, whether or not you were there at the time. You are a guy who knows he walked on the moon with Neil Armstrong. That’s as true as you backing the Rodgers pick at the time, when he started or even 4 months before he won a Super Bowl. It’s also as true as your claim to have been pro Watson or even aware of him before everyone else reading it and listening to pundits was.

You seem to forget that many here do have memories and, while you have regularly said you don’t research on the web, you surely know that such things can be verified. You just bet no one will call you on that.

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stockholder's picture

August 07, 2023 at 02:24 pm

No- you complained about the pick
after the packers drafted him.
Most intelligent people wait for the testing #s.
The only claim I made was he was the best fit.
The comparisons were from professional writers.
Which you are Not.
Fill your attacks with fluff.
You're still wrong in your assessments.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 06, 2023 at 09:52 am

I find this comment ridicules!

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

August 05, 2023 at 10:07 am

I’ve been posting this for years…the proof is in the pudding. The NFL is designed for parity. Statistically, all things being even, every team should be .500 over a valid sample size. But things are obviously not even. The differentiators are players and organizations. And guess what you haters on this site…the organization is 100% responsible for whatever players show up wearing our laundry. Some teams over the past 20-30 years are much lower and others much higher than .500. It is possible that Cleveland, Washington, and Chicago are just great organizations with bad luck in players, but I doubt it. Likewise, it is possible that the Packers are a crummy organization staffed by idiots who were bailed out through exceptional QB play, but the numbers make this improbable.

The only explanation for teams being able to recurrently perform at a higher level in a statistically significant way is to have a better organization. So props to the Packers, Steelers, Patriots, and maybe Seahawks. It is this way in business, governments, and life. So get on board with the FACT that the Packers are superior to others and have a much happier fan experience.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 05, 2023 at 12:39 pm

Veach in Kansas City is running the best Personnel department in pro football.

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mnbadger's picture

August 05, 2023 at 12:47 pm

2 thumbs up Doug.
GPG

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

August 05, 2023 at 11:37 am

You people can blast Gute as a General Manager all you want, but you should feel damned lucky you don't have me as the Packers GM. Every year, I make out a list of draft choices for the Packers, dating back to when I picked Mercedes Lewis for our team almost 20 years ago. And that's likely the best draft choice I ever made; the rest of my completes drafts were filled with busts, failures, and mediocre players (in other words...just another guy). I'm filled with opinions, it's just that in the long run they don't turn out very well when it comes to developing a strong roster.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 05, 2023 at 01:15 pm

Doulbe-delete

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 05, 2023 at 01:18 pm

With all the Rodgers bashing, and now with a growing number saying Rodgers had this and that, how is it they achieved more with less. It would seem that they achieved less with more, as to always falling short, at multiple levels, to garner that elusive second Lombardi.

I understand that this article is about Gute, but without a HC and QB, all one can 'hope' for are some individual accolades to offset/justify the team's shortcomings. Yes, Gute can claim some players and their personal achievements, but the GM needs to field a winner, and that is where he has failed, regardless of where one points the fickle-finger at for blame.

Some might claim that Gute's hands are tied somewhat, but isn't that what a HC and QB have had to deal with also. As much as many blame Rodgers, I'm not an apologist for Rodgers, but Gute played a huge role in the dissension that came to be since MLF was hired, and other decisions that effected the team being fielded. A few good drafts selections doesn't erase the errors. The team hitting the field this season is all on Gute, what this team does is on MLF, with a smidgen on Love, until next season where Love will have the spotlight to himself.

I came not to bury Gute, but I didn't come to praise him either. He has earned neither to a degree that warrants an extreme reaction from either mindset.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 05, 2023 at 02:02 pm

According to Statmuse site, GBs record in the 5 seasons since Gutey took over is the 4th best after Chiefs, Bills and Saints. The fact that GB’s record improved from the previous 5 years and they became competitive in the league with 2 of those teams starting talented young QBs on their rookie deals is doing a good job as GM in my thoughts.

But for a few key injuries that affected post season play, young HC errors and a Hall of Fame QB that failed to elevate his game in the post season they may have gotten back to the title game and even won it.

I am confused they added almost no real WR or TE talent until #12 was halfway out the door, only to load up once he was gone. Maybe if they’d had more than a UDFA Lazard and an aging Cobb, he wouldn’t have focused so much on Adams. I also wonder why Rodgers feels so renewed as a Jet. Is it just the change of scenery? It is nice to feel wanted I guess.

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 03:11 pm

Ive always felt that the scramble to rebuild the roster post Ball was built in part on the hope that the WRs he picked up in his first draft would improve enough to allow him to focus elsewhere while giving them the chance to peak. That didn’t really work out. MVS was useful but that wasn’t enough and by the end we’d exhausted the cap to a point where there was no outside option that was likely to change that.

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Coldworld's picture

August 05, 2023 at 03:16 pm

I don’t think personally think Gute is the problem, but I can’t be sure under this structure. I do think there are a lot of questions about the off field personnel, but who those rightfully point to is unclear. Fortunately, I think we now will start to see where. This season will tell us much about personnel choices from the top down.

So, since the past can’t be changed and no one is going to change the present, we may as well suspend judgement and let the trial-by-season that this will illuminate us.

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 05, 2023 at 02:32 pm

You people are the best! Where else on interwebz can a person go to find so many gems so close together. I give you, a Cory's Corner Reply Mashup:

Regardless of where one points the fickle-finger of blame, the history of 3rd round failures is ridicules. For every Rodgers, who performed at a higher level in a statistically significant way, there's a Brohm. He turned into a raging, narcissistic anal wart.

Are you really trying to split that hair? Always looking to the future can be a road to nowhere. "...you're totally full of crap.." my comments are for Stockholder "DOUCHE BAG!"

No. I reject that.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

August 05, 2023 at 03:58 pm

" my comments are for Stockholder "DOUCHE BAG!"

Leotis, I think old Stockholder makes some of those comments to pull our chain and get a reaction. After all he is a wise investor just like I am. We both bought a least one share of Packers stock to help our retirement plan for old age. As much as these NFL teams are worth, we must be rolling in the dough by now.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 05, 2023 at 05:16 pm

OK, I had to re-read that a couple of times before the entire picture soaked in.

This is a gem. Truly. ""...who performed at a higher level in a statistically significant way....." is beyond perfect.

Well done. Not quite as good as when Bart Starr breast fed that baby, but pretty good.

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 05, 2023 at 09:33 pm

When in the course of cheesehead events, we hold (or use the hug technique) these truths (or non-false assertions) to be self-evident: to play Monday morning QB (whether selected, traded for, traded with, traded against, signed as a free agent, or acquired with or without regard to past considerations) without impunity for taking credit for foresight, fivesight, prediction, predilection, as to I coulda told you this guy was gonna be a stud because, like so many others, I fancy myself a genius, wanna-be GM who somehow is NOT employed by any NFL team in any capacity which is an unforgivable waste of my self-proclaimed immense talent.

It truly is a mad, mad, mad, mad world, with too much changin’, too much rearrangin’, so many ways to go astray. Or go down 15 yards and break sharply to the sideline, and I’ll put the ball right in your hands.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

August 05, 2023 at 10:58 pm

Thanks for including my nerdy statistical musings. I am honored…

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packerfanroy's picture

August 07, 2023 at 01:28 am

This article is such a stretch (Did Gute pay this guy to write a good article about him for some cheap PR??).... Yes Doubs looks alright, maybe he can be more maybe not. Lets wait and see what he does in some more real games before praising Gute. Then there is Zach Tom. Looks great and maybe the fact the Packers dont know where to put him says more about the coaching staff than it does about Tom but again lets wait for him to make starts and play at a high level consistently before we start proclaiming Gute the King of Big Brains. As for MVS, what an example of how a top notch GM operates.. find the talent, develop the talent, then tell the talent he is not worth the money, let the talent walk and help his new team win the Super Bowl (At least when Belichek let guys walk they proved Bill right by playing like crap). I'm not looking to get into a long, heated debate over what the packers should/shouldn't have done but the simple truth is that KC figured paying MVS was worth it and they won the SB. Finally there is Tucker Kraft...if all the accomplishments that Tucker Kraft has earned in his NFL career so far arent enough to tell you how much of a genius Gute is you must be the biggest idiot and definitely an Arod fan.... This article feels like a puff piece...If you want to do a piece on Gute do the good with the bad, if you want to talk up the rookies and your hopes for them, go ham, knock yourself out. Its TC, they're rookies, hope springs eternal. If you want to convince me that Gute is a great GM and then trot out our 3rd round pick TE, who is 4th on the depth chart behind other guys that Gute brought in and have done nothing of note, as an example while being only one week into TC im gonna call it like i see it...BS puff piece....

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