Regarding losing the locker room, hoping that once Gute has his guys in, we are going to lose the "if in doubt kick them out" policy. Its going to be pretty much everyman for themself if Gute is going to fire a few players every time we lose.

We need a new HC just because sometimes you need to freshen things up. This season isnt on MM though, its just not as strong a roster as in previous years. Certainly on offense drafting defense every year means less young talent.

As noted by PFF, The OL had been rock-solid.
U say the offense lacks talent? I say BS to that.

Aaron Jones & MVS are great young talents.
Jones has a lot of Alvin Kamara in him.
MVS has some Julio Jones to his game.
Adding in Jimmy Graham, Davante is a stud.... this is more talent around our #12 than Brady has, usually has.

Rodgers deserves some blame here too.
But 80% I put on Fat Mike. I'm on the #FireCorky bandwagon now.

"The problem is that McCarthy hasn’t changed his philosophy in the last eight years, while the personnel has turned over several times. You cannot expect this crew of receivers to win with isolation routes just like the 2014 team did with Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Davante Adams. "

I'm not trying to toot my own horn but I've been saying something along these same lines since 2015. GONE are the days the Packers can trot out more quality WR's than a defense can cover. Now I like MVS and am hopeful St. Brown can turn into a quality WR BUT those 2 just aren't there yet. The Packers have Davante Adams and....

Now that's a damn shame to have a QB you just signed to a $134 million extension and not have the bullets to load the gun. MVS is looking like a steal in the 5th round right now. If St. Brown develops or the Packers address it early in next years draft then they'll have some bullets. But even then the Packers HAVE to have some creativity to their offense and McCarthy has proven incapable of adding that. I mean the man said he overhauled the playbook and Rodgers still only had ONE RPO?? How many times have to watched a game with the Chiefs, Saints, Rams, Eagles, or even Bengals and heard the words RPO (Run, Pass, Option).

I'm already looking forward to next season. I'm looking forward to one of the best drafts in the last 12 years as far as talent . I'm looking forward to adding some quality FA who can help the Packers be a better team the second they take the field. But mostly I'm looking forward to a new HC who can instantly make the Packers offense fun to watch again.

As I've said before, McCarthy's biggest mistake this last offseason was bringing Philbin back. He had an opportunity to bring in somebody with a fresh new outlook on their offense, yet he brought back an old crony that ran the same failed offense in Miami.

McCarthy is an old horse who's tricks used to work in the past but don't anymore. And that's because opposing teams have seen the exact same plays for years.

Mike is a good man who has been very successful for Green Bay for years, but it'll be best for the team and for him to move on after this season. And if Murphy won't do it, it'll be best for him to move on also.

Last week, 6 runs and 15 passes in the 1st quarter. What I have been seeing is defense's are only playing pass. Sure they know they will give up a few good runs but not enough to worry about. There is pressure on Rodgers on play action. The opposition defensive game plan is simple. Play coverage and rush the passer every play.

It's just time for him to go. He's run his course. I'm mainly curious if we'd promote Pettine. He'd run the defense and let Aaron take control of the offense.

He also seems to have a connection with his players. Something McCarthy is lacking in.

Pettine has publicly stated he has no desire to be a head coach again. However it's not unheard of for people to change their minds. I personally think he would be a great head coach as he did a very nice job in Cleveland before they canned him prematurely. In any case I would love to see him stay and choose his own staff if they bring in a new HC with an offensive mindset. I see quite a bit of improvement from a young defense so to me it's not worth turning over the entire staff and having to gamble on a new offense and defense trying to gel in one season. That would knock another year off our window of opportunity with AR at QB. So regardless of who the new HC Is, imho Pettine should stay. If he continues to strengthen the defense the Packers would be much better equipped to handle any bumps in the road the team may face while the offense adjusts and finds a rhythm.

I see the same issues Cory does and am very close to jumping on the dump MM bandwagon. The only thing holding me back is there is no guarantee that the next HC is better than MM and he could be worse. I want to see the rest of the season - MM has pulled rabbits out of a hat before and he deserves the full season to try. If nothing changes in the remaining games though, I will hop on the bandwagon too.

Cory, the comments on CHTV have been dealing with McCarthy-Rodgers for sometime now. I suggest reading '61 RCPackerFan and others for a good overview of the current situation. Andy Herman latest post on CHTV is a fine place to understand the context of where the team is at this point in the season. I will only add this. Aaron Rodgers is playing injured and it is clear that his performance is hurting the team. At what point does the best player become a liability and must be pulled for good of team? It's a tough call, one we fans do not have to make.

Big Mike has been a fine coach for the Packers but me thinks the players need a new direction.
He will most likely move on to Cleveland and it just may energize his career, coaches need a change of scenery just as players sometimes do. If he does move on he will be remembered as one of the finest coaches and men in Packers history. It may not seem like it now, but he will be missed when he’s gone.

Moving MM out of Green Bay following the end of this season is a popular opinion, mine included.

As has been pointed out, who would replace him and will said coach be the same/better/worse? The answer is no one knows. However, there comes a time when change becomes necessary for all parties involved. This may be the time. I expect several qualified candidates will make themselves known.

There are many factors of the Packers' play this season which fall squarely on MM, mostly on the offense. Play calling is getting worse and more predictable. The playbook scrubbing which was supposed to happen between him and Philbin appears to be little more than lip service. Adding TE Jimmy Graham doesn't appear to be as effective as hoped. The running game, specifically Aaron Jones, has been mostly ignored as proven by the Lions and Patriots games.

Team-wide issues are an apparent lack of discipline and immaturity. Younger players are more likely to make foolish choices resulting in penalties. Older players, like Ty Montgomery, are expected to do what they're told. McCarthy refused to publicly throw Montgomery under the bus after the Rams loss. Do any of us know if McCarthy, privately, went to Murphy and Gutekunst and said he wanted Montgomery out ASAP? If he did, could this be a reason he's losing/lost the players? Issues such as these are coaching issues and fall on McCarthy.

Quoting Kevin Greene, "It is time!"

Agree MM is part of the issue, but haven't been impressed with key players they needed to have production from. Clay, Dix, Perry, Cobb; these four players based on their contracts needed to perform. You throw in Crosby missing FGs in Detroit, Montgomery trying to be a hero, Vikes game they should have won, it's more than the coach. I didn't even mention the new "great" GM screwed up by not going after Reid at safety and the fact that last four years of TT's drafting were pretty much garbage.

We've heard that Rodgers has had complete control of the offense for years. Now we're hearing that is and has not been the case. Something very wrong here.

If Rodgers does not have control of the offense that is on MM and Philbin and needs to change as of yesterday. Why Rodgers would not have control of the offense makes no sense to me.

Yesterday, I was listening to Mike Francesca on WFAN in NY and a caller asked him "if MM left GB and the Jets fired Todd Bowles would MM be a good coach for the NY Jets to develop Sam Darnold." Mike replied that he "thinks that MM is a good coach and that he has had Rodgers the entire time in GB and has won one SB with him. But he(MM) has not had very good personnel around him (AR) and that he (MM) has not been happy about it. MM does not make the personnel decisions up there (GB). He is not sure how good MM would be in another situation."

Personally I don't think MM would do well in NY because he would be challenged by the NY media and after years of softballs from the GB media I expect that NY would be a problem for him.

In any case MM has had a long and successful run with the Packers. If this team does not respond over the second half of the season and really the next 3-4 games it will be time for MM to move on. I don't even think that a one and done playoff scenario is enough to save MM.

Gute is taking this team in a new direction with hopefully better players and it's beginning to look like it's time for a new HC who can relate and get the most out of younger players.

Lets' see how it goes against Miami. One game at a time. Thanks, Since '61

Some are afraid of moving MM out because there's no guarantee of who would be next or if successful.

Guaranteed satisfaction is a delusion and something that the 'blind optimist ' suffers with intensely and voluntarily.

Some things are guaranteed...the box of corn flakes has corn flakes inside. The lollipop in the wrapper is a lollipop. The sun will rise and set until it doesn't.

With the 'blind optimistic ' view so many exude, it's counter intuitive of them to suddenly reveal a lacking in the faith/hope of ...' If he comes to GB, he will be great '...value of the blind optimist.

Fear not and expect guarantee's and once again raise your shield of ' optimism ' to protect you from the decision to be made, no matter when or whom selected, surely he is guaranteed to be great via the blind optimism belief system.

Being a realist, I have no doubt that the best decision is to move on from MM and that doing so may have the team being unsuccessful but they're already unsuccessful, though success has different meanings, and based on the what should have been the Rodgers Effect, settling for playoff contender is a far cry from the kind of success that,well, some considered a...guarantee....not too long ago.

Is MM the sole reason for failure, has Rodgers been abused by TT and/or MM ? No one will know for sure as like the Favre debacle but a change is needed and guarantee's be dammed....since...we still have Rodgers and all will be fine....right?

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Cory your Article Stinks. It's all about keeping the fan base against MM. Your right, Your not in the locker room. Your right, A-Rod is Bitching. But A-Rod still shows up at practice and runs the plays. Doesn't He? He keeps his mouth shut after practice. He wants to win and so does everyone else. Yes, Mm could change things up. And so could his coaches. They evaluate the players and bring them up to game ready. The problem is most aren't game ready. Why New Faces! The players screwed up. Anyone that doesn't believe the packers shot themselves in the foot, is a a moron. The packers read and believe more crap, than they believe in their teammates now. Didn't Monty? And their play shows it. Sorry I'm not going to castrate MM when the team lacks a winning attitude. The failures of this team go beyond MM and his play calling. The revolving door has plagued the packers more than the play calling. And Mr. Rodgers has lost his neighborhood to a bully. The press.

This doesn't have to do with keeping or firing MM but I find it equally aggravating:

Perry's $14.7 million cap hit in 2019 is fifth among all outside linebackers, trailing only Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Justin Houston and Melvin Ingram.

One of the major problems resides with the edge rushers Mathews and Perry. They hit our cap for about 30 million per year and the only rushing we are getting out of them is to the bank to deposit their checks.

I think our defense would be ranked higher if it wasn’t on the field so long. It’s amazing that it makes the adjustments needed for the second half and has kept us in games; but the offense just sputters along with so much talent. It’s mind boggling that we can’t score consistently. The answer is obvious isn’t it?

"Rodgers is in his 11thseason as a starter and he still isn’t getting 100 percent autonomy at the line of scrimmage? Rodgers has always gotten ripped for his lack of trust in Green Bay’s wideouts, but how much trust does McCarthy have in his future Hall of Fame quarterback? And since McCarthy doesn’t trust him with the entire offense, that isn’t going to instill confidence on a team that clearly needs it."

Much like a parent that doesn't completely trust his child, except that the child's now 21. And like a parent you have to be secure in yourself and in the job you have done already.

Every coach has a shelf life and Mike McCarthy is Stale and predictable! Taking this long to move on from Dom Capers and lets not forget Sean Slocum, and his replacement Ron Zook! Two Hall of Fame QB's and only 1 SB Championship in12 seasons is not good enough. The Fat Lady is getting ready to sing! It's time to move on!

IMO, we need the next to win the next 3. Time for Nick Perry to make an appearance!

Miami is 31 against the run. If they don’t have 150 yards rushing MM is just being stubborn. You design game plans to opponents it is simple . 12 will get his too in play action with 17 and 83 getting deep on shot plays. They should be the bread and butter every week.

Miami is 31 against the run. If they don’t have 150 yards rushing MM is just being stubborn. You design game plans to opponents it is simple . 12 will get his too in play action with 17 and 83 getting deep on shot plays. They should be the bread and butter every week.

If you get the chance check out this breakdown by Brett Kollmann on the offense. He knows his stuff, and pretty much confirms everything we've said about the issues this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bax9C8damOU

Cobb is done.

All of you that are advocating keeping MM simply because you dont know who would be better are delerious.

Put it in perspective people. I used to own a 1973 Chevy impala, great car! 350 chevy motor, auto trans . Those were bullet proof! When i finally decided to get rid of it in 1985 i didnt have to. Still ran like a champ! There were no grarantees that whatever i bought was going to be any better. The impala outlived its usefulness. Much like MM has too.

Its time to move on from the old plain and simple. I dont k ow who is going to be better than MM. Thats part of life, things change you either change with them or you get left behind.

Can anyone here say that MM has done a good job of anything this year? I cant!
The pro MM people say there is nothing wrong with the playcalling, its the execution thats been lacking. You may be right to some extent, however if you ask a player to do something they cant or something they are no good at it was a bad play call. Ie asking Bulaga to block Mack one on one vs the bears. Asking Cobb to run go routes. Who here thinks the Safety play vs the Rams was the best call that was available?

Imo only at his best MM was below average. And his best was 8 years ago.

Packers fans have been duped by the packers front office. Knee jerk reactions are wrong, slow and steady, stay the course, trust the process. What has that gotten us? It got us piss poor drafts from Ted Thompson, got us 4 years too many of MM and his horseshit coaching staff that he himself said he needed to clean up.

What ever happened to the less volume, more creativity mantra that MM touted for so long. I can only remember 1 play all year that I would consider creative and it was a passing TD to Montgomery out of a diamond formation inside the 10 yrd line. Don't remember the exact makeup of said formation, player wise but it was brilliant and we haven't seen it since.

The writing was on the wall when MM was given the "kiss of death" one year contract extension. The same thing was given to Sherman before TT sacked him. Our team is lucky to have 3 wins. The continued failure to start fast has doomed our SB chances for the past seasons and MM has to be held responsible. A loss in September is the same as a loss in November. You shouldn't have to RELAX or run the table every year.A sense of urgency should start with game one and please quit telling the fans that the team hasn't "found it's identity". Our identity is 3 wins, 4 losses, and 1 tie.

"Good players can't overcome bad coaching."

- Bill Belichick

Everyone on here was excited to hear that Pettine was going to tailor his system to best utiliize the strenghts of his players. What a novel concept that is.

Could he possibly teach MM to do that radical idea?

The defense has been playing better than their statistical ranking given their lack of productive OLBs and and the turnover (no pun intended) in the secondary. It just shows you what a fresh approach can do, along with a speedy corner (finally!).

PATS "Daniels" for new coach.

I think the Packers have lost their identity a bit. They need a HC to challenge each player and hold them accountable for bad decisions and performance, not just hold one or 2 players accountable while the rest of the team gets excuses from the HC as to why they did not perform well. It just seems to me like everyone else is waiting for the other guy to make the play instead of taking the initiative to make it themselves. On defense the team does not swarm to the ball and stands around while just 1 or 2 players make the tackles. The team has become complacent on both sides of the ball. And this responsibility rests on the shoulders of the coaching staff.

The article is finally correct. Failure to change and a new playbook will spell MM end in Green Bay. Too bad its so late in coming. Rodgers best years have been wasted. Yes. Rodgers will still be feared, but father time will catch up up. Exceptions: Brady, Brees.

Hard to believe MM watches game film and still remains that stupid! Elementary rule of problem solving, if it doesn't work then change and try until a solution is found that solves the problem. Years wasted by management.

Well, I disagree with most of you on MM. The problem in GB is Higher than MM. Start with Mark Murphy who came from the powerhouse of Northwestern, & the (Head Guy) who put together this mess. I like Joe Philbin, but he isn't a coach. The fans in Miami were laughing at us when we took him back. You may remember my post on that. 3 years ago I posted they should Trade or Cut Mathews, & got tore apart for it. I said they would throw $50 Million more at him & then cut him. Cobb hasn't been the same since he got hurt 2 years ago. Adams never was as good as most thought. Bulaga didn't play 4 minutes his 1st 4 yr's, & not much more since. Bak is a pretty good LT, but he is no Chad Clifton. As I've posted a few times, They have yet to replace Clifton or Tausher. They've destroyed the OL, & then payed a guy who is put together with nuts & bolts $130 Million Dollars. I haven't even got to the Defense they've played with for the past 8 yr's. What do you expect MM & Rodgers to do with this Make-Shift outfit. They never replaced the WR core with anything close to what they had. It looks to me that they finally have a couple of receivers & a couple of DB's who will amount to something, but I don't think it will happen in AR's time. MM shoulders some of the blame, but he can only coach what he has. I'm not sure he has the Best QB anymore. Like I said a week or 2 ago. Rodgers gets a good share of the blame here as well. All he was interested in was stuffing his own pocket. I don't really blame him for that, but he could have left a few Mill on the table. I don't think it would have hurt him any. I'm not even going to go to Tyrone Williams & the Defense. Can't any of you see it???
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Oh my heavens! Perhaps, MM got dinged on his noggin, 'cause he was having them run that ball, faking plays, and letting them win for a change. Please, let this be a permanent condition.

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