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Cory's Corner: Just who is Herb Waters?

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Cory's Corner: Just who is Herb Waters?

All of a sudden the guy who’s making the biggest buzz around Lambeau Field is none other than Herb Waters.

If you didn’t know who that was a few weeks ago, don’t worry.

He was an undrafted rookie receiver out of Miami in 2016. Sounds promising right? The stable of Hurricanes’ receivers has guys like Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.

Then Waters got cut and Packers cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr. had to sway him to learn a new position while being on an NFL practice squad. Waters said yes and Whitt is pretty happy he did.

“When I saw him in rookie camp I asked for him then,” Whitt said with a smile. “When he was at receiver. I didn’t get him then, but I asked for him then. He has the skill set that I like to coach. He has long arms, he can bend, he can get out his hips. He can see and he can get the ball.”

The praise for Waters didn’t stop there. Whitt even has compared Waters to the lockdown corner Tramon Williams. Obviously that’s a lot to say, because Waters hasn’t even covered a true opponent yet. But even uttering Waters’ name in the same breath as a nine-year pro is pretty high praise.

“The way he was covering before he got hurt, it didn’t matter who he was covering, he was covering them, all of the receivers,” Whitt said.

And there’s one small detail that still has to be unearthed about the switch from offense to defense.

“Now, will he tackle?” Whitt said. “I don’t know. I don’t know if he will tackle.”

That is the eternal question. Because if you can cover but can’t tackle worth a lick, how is that going to improve a defense that was ranked 31st vs. the pass and 32nd in yards per pass attempt last year?

Not to mention, the ugly 44-21 NFC Championship loss at Atlanta, which fell at the hands of the secondary — namely the corners that got torched all game long.

And even after all of that dreadfulness, Whitt still sees diamonds, even if the rest of us can only recall a big lump of coal.

“I’m not going to get ahead of myself, but if we play to our potential, we have a chance with this group to be as good any group that we might have had here,” he said.

Davon House and Quinten Rollins have been having the best camp. And even though Waters’ right arm was in a sling after injuring it on Tuesday, it has been described as minor.

I still don’t think the Packers’ pass rush is good enough to force the issue, which is why the back end must nail it down with excellent coverage. If that means playing overly physical and forcing the refs to make a call, so be it. The Packers cannot allow so many big plays to opposing wide receivers this season and expect to get another shot at a Super Bowl.

If Whitt’s hunch is right about this unit, this team could be very good. Mainly because the front seven won’t be under a ton of pressure to make something happen on just about every passing down.

 

 

 

 

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The TKstinator's picture

GB has lots of prospects at CB, but
Still Waters runs deep.

Bert's picture

Bingo!!!

Since '61's picture

The Packers converted another Herb (Adderley) from RB to CB during the Lombardi era and that worked out pretty well. Who knows? He's got to better than Goodson and Gunther. Thanks, Since '61

Zachary Jacobson's picture

And they both wore 26!

Jonathan Spader's picture

Why is this article called "Just who is Herb Waters?"? After reading it I didn't learn anything I didn't already know. Waters is a WR being converted to CB. UDFA out of Miama. Whitt praised him. Already out there in 100 places. I don't expect Water to make an impact this year. He's a practice squad player with a high ceiling.

Zachary Jacobson's picture

Period goes inside the quotations.

JJtheTraveler's picture

No they don't.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Bully for you.

I did know pretty much all of this, but then I read several sources, including the tweets of the writers at practice. [I didn't know that some think Rollins is having a fine camp so far - it has all been Randall, Randall and more Randall.] Still, it was a nice, concise story on Waters. Lots of folks just read their local newspaper and Cheesehead, so I as sure that it had lots of value for many of Cheesehead's readers.

Thumbs up on a nice article, Cory.

Jonathan Spader's picture

I wasn't trying to be a bully. I was saying the article was misleading due to the title. I had the same experience as TJ. I wanted to find out something new about Waters and didn't. That's an observation. I didn't criticize the qualtity of the writing.

marpag1's picture

Well, his last title boldly announced that the NFL's decision to allow liquor ads was "blackmail" (???) so this title is probably an improvement.

Now if we could just get everything written in complete sentences, we'd be getting somewhere.

TJ Coon's picture

Okay.. I'm still not sure who Herb Waters is. I was really excited coming into the article but all it did was pique my interest and left me like baby in the corner wanting more.

The TKstinator's picture

Nobody puts baby in the corner.

MITM's picture

Sam Shields was also converted to cornerback from receiver, also out of Miami. Just sayin'. Shields had elite speed though.

Doug Baker's picture

Tj coon. Google him. Lots there.

TJ Coon's picture

Strange. Let's just clear up a little issue. I'm not the TJ Coon who is reportedly the biggest man who're ever. Lol. That was pretty creepy to say the least.

tm_inter's picture

Herb Waters is 6 ft 2 in, 195 lbs. Waters was recorded as having a 4.50-second 40-yard dash and a 38.5-inch vertical jump.

Measurement-wise Waters is similar to Kevin King. We'll probably have to wait until training camp in 5 weeks and pre-season games to see how well Waters does in actual plays.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"I still don’t think the Packers’ pass rush is good enough to force the issue,"

Not a good statement for a team with 22 million dedcated to it's 2 starting pass rushers.

Handsback's picture

A friend who's also a pretty good judge of talent bets me every year on which player from the udfa group makes the 53 man roster. Last year he bet on Waters. He saw him play and said if a pro team was patient enough...he will reward them with All-Pro honors. It didn't work last year, so our bet is off. This year he's sure he will be on the roster and by the eoy be a guy who sees a lot of playing time. He calls him the Aaron Rodgers for the defense.

Pretty bold talk and looking forward to see how it pans out. I guess the bottom line is that Waters has some serious athletic ability and coaches are going to find a place for him.

aaronqb's picture

Two comments. First, your cornerback coach doesn't make comments like that unless they plan on putting him on the active roster. Forget the practice squad. Second, one of the Packer beat writers (Mike Clemens) said Rollins looked like a deer in headlights. Not good.

Packer Fan's picture

The Pack needs another corner like House or King to man the edges. Someone will get hurt. Waters could be the guy. If Randall is best at the slot position, then Waters may be very important this year. Let's hope so.

lou's picture

Bob McGinn will be missed, here is what he said about Waters when he graded the 2016 defensive players, looks like he and Joe Whitt Jr are on the same page;

HERB WATERS: A four-year WR at Miami, Waters did an adequate job as a rookie free agent before being cut Sept. 3. The Packers signed him to the practice squad and immediately moved him to CB. Waters has the size (5-11 ½, 192), speed (4.50), athleticism (38 ½-inch vertical jump) and arm length (32 5/8) to play the position. Regarded as a rugged blocker and good special-teams player in college, he might have the toughness for defense, too. At this point, his future might be as promising if not more so than any of the other CBs. Grade: Incomplete.

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