Cory's Corner: How Did The NFC North Do?

There has been a lot said and written about the Packers' recent draft philosophy. 

What about the rest of the NFC North?

 

MINNESOTA VIKINGS

I may hate to say it, but the Vikings did a great job. Rick Spielman might be one of the NFL's most underrated general managers. He has drafted 16 Pro Bowlers since 2007, which is nothing short of incredible. LSU wideout Justin Jefferson is a perfect plug-and-play to replace Stefon Diggs, who departed for Buffalo.

This may be hard to believe, but Cousins actually has gotten better as he enters his third season in Minnesota. Last year, his interceptions and sacks went down and he looked more comfortable in the pocket. He had five games with a passer rating over 120 and Spielman added another pass-catching threat. Saying that TCU corner Jeff Gladney is going to be the next Xavier Rhodes is a lot to ask. Rhodes was one of the best shutdown corners. 

But the pick that I really liked was Michigan State edge rusher Kenny Willekes. Spielman got Willekes in the seventh round and he has a great chance of becoming a starter down the road.

The reason the Vikings are just 2-3 in the playoffs since 2015 is because they could never get the quarterback position right. The most important position in all of sports can hide a lot of warts and Minnesota is hoping that Cousins can continue his steady rise. 

 

DETROIT LIONS

The Lions had a tough decision at No. 3. Do they trade down and add more assets for a team that has gone 9-22-1 in the last two years or hit the reset button on Matthew Stafford and draft a quarterback? I think the Lions made the right call by taking Ohio State corner Jeff Okudah. Replacing Darius Slay won't be easy, but if anyone is going to do it, it's the best cover corner in this draft. 

Georgia running back De'Andre Swift should be a nice fit for Stafford. He can run, catch and make defenses honest. But I also like him because Swift is a tough runner and the Lions historically haven't had a lot of toughness at the running back position. 

I loved the Lions taking Quintez Cephus in the fifth round. With Geronimo Allison on the roster, I would expect Cephus to quickly move up the wide receiver depth chart. 

I don't expect the Lions to turn heads anytime soon, but this team will be better in the next couple years — depending on Stafford's health. 

 

CHICAGO BEARS

After the Bears draft, Green Bay doesn't really need to worry about Chicago anytime soon. The Bears' last two drafts haven't been that fruitful and the folks in the Windy City are still waiting for Anthony Miller and Riley Ridley to make a consistent impact. But, like Minnesota, the Bears haven't had that threat at quarterback and they even proved it by declining Mitch Trubisky's fifth-year option. 

The Bears didn't have a first rounder and third rounder this year because of the Khalil Mack trade. Yet, after they gave Jimmy Graham $9 million guaranteed, the Bears drafted Notre Dame tight end Cole Kmet in the second round. Kmet is a marginal blocker, but he proved his athletic versatility as a successful baseball player. The thing that puzzles me is that Chicago now has nine tight ends. 

With Aaron Rodgers in the division, Chicago also added a corner in the second round. Utah's Jaylon Johnson can be the next NFC North shutdown corner, but I'm waiting to see how Johnson responds to his third shoulder surgery. 

Chicago has had iffy quarterback play just like Minnesota, but at least the Vikings have surrounded Cousins with plenty of help. Adding so many tight ends doesn't really help Trubisky or Nick Foles — whoever wins that job. 

 

The Packers didn't have that sense of urgency, but the Vikings and Lions sure did. Minnesota already had a solid roster before this draft and now it just got better. Spielman is in a contract year and if the Vikings don't do something this year, he could be out. While the Packers added plenty of key depth, the NFC North added starters. The window of winning in the NFC North has been closing. Since 2017, the Packers have won the division once. Remember when it was automatic when Green Bay captured a division crown? From 2011-2016, the Packers won five division titles. 

In the short term, things are going to get trickier for the Packers, 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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PackFlip's picture

May 05, 2020 at 06:11 am

People are doing they're best to justify this draft. Still looking pretty grim no matter how you doing it. Ugh sigh

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Mike Rossmeier's picture

May 05, 2020 at 06:47 am

Spielman has a terrible record of drafting WRs in the 1st Round, but it looks like this year is going to change that. It's bad luck for Packers that Buffalo were such idiots to give all those draft choices for Diggs. Bills have a young QB and they're acting like this year is the last window they have to win their division.
At the least, the Vikings got a starting WR, CB and T - plus plenty of depth.

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Coldworld's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:37 am

Mud in the wall approaches work and the Bills gave the Vikings the ammunition to do that. That is what this was. Ultimately though this year it may well not: the aim was to replace what they lost at WR. That seems overlooked here. Whether they succeeded, to what extent and when that will materialize is something we can’t know yet.

If Love proves a good pick, I doubt the Vikings will celebrate this draft in hindsight. If LaFleur’s reshaping of the Packers succeeds then I’m not sure we will care either. To me this is mire about whether we were inspired or beguiled in what we set out to do and our choice of Head Coach.

I’m not going to laud an opponent’s draft when I think that the real impact on future competitiveness between the two comes not from what they did but what we did.

As to the Lions, well that seems a mess to me. When the best comments one can make are the lukewarm nice pickup and the comment that one later round pick receiver should leapfrog Allison, I rest my case.

The Bears did ok with half a draft, but they really shaped their off season with two free agents. Foles and Graham. Graham would probably have worse than his stats last year had he kept others off the field, but injuries at TE limited that to probably just skewing the O in his direction. His contract is truly one of the most baffling in years for me.

Foles May give them a short term lift if he stays healthy ( not good odds) and if they handle their self-made QB conundrum well. But what it means is that they have nearly perhaps maybe given up on their only recently certain QB of the future for a short to medium term fill in. Even if they handle the two well (not a situation that always goes well) and reach the right long term conclusion, that’s a heck of a step back from where they hoped that they were a year ago. The vast amount of TEs on their 90 man is just odd: suggestive of some confusion in strategy and presumably lack of competition elsewhere.

Our draft caused consternation because it wasn’t of the form expected and signals change and with it uncertainty. The remainder of the division had more predictable drafts in the case of the Vikings and Lions but really both seeking to recover losses at WR and CB first and foremost. The Vikings is probably the most promising simply due to numbers of early picks, but it’s not earth shattering as I see it. The Bears probably had the most dubious off season of all and only a lower half draft. Potentially a temporary band aid or the real significance will be an early clear out of their front office. Still a tough team but not one inspiring confidence that this regime can get it over the top.

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mrtundra's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:22 am

Nice post, Coldworld!

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2020 at 08:58 pm

Buffalo gets a Pro Bowl player who fits in and plays immediately. What does that say about how NFL personnel departments evaluate this group of WRs in round one. Four were noted as true # ones with my choice Reagor going higher to Philly.

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murf7777's picture

May 05, 2020 at 07:22 am

The North will still go thru the Packers Vikings lost a lot of key Defensive players due to SC trouble and Cousins struggles to win the big games. Bears better hope their D is top 3 or they will have another losing seasons and the Lions are....we’ll the Lions.

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NickPerry's picture

May 05, 2020 at 08:08 am

Finally!! Thank you murf7777! The Vikings DID lose a lot!!

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Rossonero's picture

May 05, 2020 at 12:20 pm

Vikings offensive line still doesn't match up well with our pass rush, but our run D still isn't anything to write home about either. Thielen has been a bit injury prone and even with Jefferson, this is still a run first team.

Their defense is in a state of rebuild (especially their secondary). They lost Linval Joseph, Stephen Weatherly and Everson Griffen, as well as Trae Waynes, Mackensie Alexander, Andrew Sendejo and Xavier Rhodes. They did sign Michael Pierce from Baltimore though.

If Gutey can trade for a WR like Curtis Samuel or sign someone off the street like Snacks Harrison, I'll feel a little better, but there's no way to spin this: we didn't get much better after the draft at all. Maybe in 2021 or 2022, but not immediately. If Love is another mega star then all is forgiven, but we won't know that for several years.

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x24's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:32 am

The best part? We are now free to enjoy 9 months without Mel Kiper Jr

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mnbadger's picture

May 05, 2020 at 08:21 am

Thank you Cory for an honest assessment of NFC North draft. Just as I gain confidence in our picks, I see the players the queens added and revert to confusion and despair. Anyway, GPG!

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Leatherhead's picture

May 05, 2020 at 08:46 am

Did you see the players they lost?

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:58 am

Did you see the players we never got?

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Coldworld's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:11 am

The ones on the rosters of the other teams or the ones who never made it or the ones the Vikings have recently lost? Didn’t really want any of the last category after Diggs turned Diva.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 05, 2020 at 11:22 am

Since you only get to draft a few players, there will always be players you didn’t get. I tend to think that what you have is more important than what you don’t.

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 11:47 am

"I tend to think that what you have is more important than what you don’t."

Sure, but not if what you don't have had been yours for the taking, and you passed on it, willingly. Especially when the product passed on was obviously better than what you took and isn't as important anymore or ever was.

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Coldworld's picture

May 05, 2020 at 01:09 pm

Ah, true unspecific negativity while implying you knew better. At least one thing is unchanged in this world if ours.

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 01:39 pm

Did you not think TJ.Watt the much better player than the King in 2017 and that trading out from Watt has decreased the SB chances since. Remember, GB is supposed to be a BPA draft ideology so, doesn't that speak volumes to the grading system in GB and the mindset as a whole. Naturally, this is one example and adding more is moot, since it will not change the minds of the optimist, regardless the level of blindness, because they simply don't want to.

The solid front seven does more for the secondary than any one CB or Safety can deliver with a weak front seven.

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May 05, 2020 at 03:52 pm

Watt was a TE turned OLB and only had 1 yr of college production at OLB. He also had a few injuries so let's not act like he was a sure thing.

I would have picked him and not traded down but I also understand them passing on him in the 1st round.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 06, 2020 at 06:05 am

All three brothers started at TE. Derek I think was at OLB briefly before shifting to FB. (Man I am fount of useless information...)

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:36 pm

Two starting CBs gone. Their nickel back gone. Joseph their best DT gone, maybe they try to bring back Grif, but he would fit the Pack as a DE, five tech. Diggs yapped his way out of town and Theilen may not be 100% healthy. Cleveland to fill the LT spot? Detroit got better with Danny Shelton at the nose next to Flowers, but they only go as far as Stafford flings it.

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stockholder's picture

May 05, 2020 at 08:28 am

The vikings and the Lions did a good job. The Bears? Still suck! But the major difference is the hope it gave to the fans. THE Twelfth man. Something Gutey forgot. The Twelfth Man! So while Some find are lack of faith disappointing. What did they expect? Everyone got instant help while we have to wait. The improvement just didn't come like we expected. Personally I thought the goal was to win the super-bowl. Gutey doesn't take winning serious enough in my opinion. His only mission was an improved team, rather then the needs to make history. I Hope you all realize things don't always turn out all right. Don't worry, Right. Wrong! Never give a sucker a even break. Gutey changed the outlook of this team. It's a bigger risk then reward. And it changed the twelfth man. The disbelief was apparent. And with good justification.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:40 pm

That goal went out the window as soon as the season ticket waiting list went over 100K.

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May 05, 2020 at 08:30 am

Spielman is a master of the draft and his strategy is 1 I wish Gutenkunst could emulate. He usually trades back acquiring more picks while still targeting the players he covets. Last year Minnesota wanted RB Mattison in the 3rd round. He was available early in the 3rd so Spielman traded back twice getting more picks while still choosing Mattison in the late 3rd round. This year he spoke about doing the same thing with CB Gladney. They traded back with SF and still got their guy. All his wheeling and dealing netted the Vikings WR Jefferson, 3CBs Gladney-Dantzler-Hand, OT Cleveland who would have been a perfect Packer, ILB Troy Dye, D-Lineman James Lynch, 2 safeties, a few others plus got a 4th and 5th rounder next year. What a haul!

This kind of draft would have been a dream for the Packers. Instead we reached for a rb, a fb, and traded up for a qb. The late rounds were ok but Gutenkunst squandered the early draft capitol.

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mrtundra's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:20 am

How do you think those viking draftees will love playing for Minnesota at the end of the season? They will be able to watch the playoffs if they, either buy tickets, or watch them on TV from their own homes. If we get to have a season, this year, I think the Packers sweep the vikings, again! Gute knows what he is doing. Not so sure Spielman does.

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

May 05, 2020 at 11:22 am

Did you forget about his finesse during the 2018 draft that allowed us to take two players during the 2019 1st round? He's had a lot of great picks already in his short tenure. Unfortunately this draft was determined to be a remodel. Don't know why, when we still have Rodgers and are paying him 30 million a year, but it's a remodel nonetheless. They want to run the ball more, and they made choices to do that. Time will tell if this draft is a success, but he has done a lot to turn this team into what it is. He shored up almost every position on defense in 2019.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:44 pm

LaQuan Treadwell

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NickPerry's picture

May 05, 2020 at 08:33 am

First and foremost I want people to know my hatred for the Vikings runs DEEP, even deeper that my hatred for the Bears or 49ers. I think that comes from growing up in Minneapolis in the 70's and early 80's when the Vikings were winning and the Packers, well not so much.

I always enjoy Cory's pieces and really what all the writers at CHTV contribute but Cory...WTF!!! What is all this Minnesota/Rick Spielman love?

Spielman has been the GM since 2012 and before that was the Vikings VP of player personnel. I believe it was 2, maybe 3 years ago when the Vikings had a SLEW of FA coming up for contracts. I said multiple times there was no way Spielman would get them all signed but he did. BUT by the next season he was already renegotiating contracts just to sign his rookie class.

This offseason he's had to cut, trade, or let walk multiple players who have been starters and has $20 million in dead money as a result. He consistently is renegotiating contracts to sign this player or that player. This year it was Kurt Cousins who in 2022 will have a cap hit of $45 million!!!! Have you LOST your mind Rick Spielman?

Spielman like Cousins and has never won shit! Just like the franchise they work for couldn't do BEFORE they got there. And lets slow the roll on the Vikings draft at least until we see them play a friggen down in the NFL.

Cory, I love you guys and again this wasn't meant as an attack on you personally. Just a aging Packers fan whos SICK & TIRED of hearing what a great job the Vikings did. Frankly we have NO IDEA...Yet...Let's meet in 3 years to see what happens...

End of rant.

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dobber's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:27 am

"And lets slow the roll on the Vikings draft at least until we see them play a friggen down in the NFL."

I think that's the key: they NEEDED this draft and these picks because of the holes they opened just to be cap solvent. Many players they lost were NFL caliber guys. Most proven commodities. They've been replaced with lottery tickets.

"He has drafted 16 Pro Bowlers since 2007, which is nothing short of incredible."

First-off, what does the Pro Bowl actually measure? I mean, really? Remember Jeff Saturday making the Pro Bowl in his gosh-awful swan-song season with the Packers? BTW, over the same time frame, TT also drafted 16...he also engineered a SB win.

Next: Spielman's failure has been his inability to fix his OL. It's his version of the Packers' S issues and ILB issues. He's been able to find defensive talent early and contributors late in the draft...I'll give him that. Thankfully, it's an offense-driven league and if you look at his track record drafting on the offensive side of the ball, it's not been very good. He's TT, without the title, and having trouble drafting the opposite side of the ball.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 05, 2020 at 12:37 pm

I'm don't get the Spielman love. He put his team in Cap Hell. No way he gets out with the dead money hanging over this team next year. And every year his roster construction is... strange. Maybe it's our division, where the other GMs make Spielman (except for Gute) look like a visionary. (I can't explain Detroit's front office and The Bear's following the Flackcatcher rule [Never have enough TE and FB] scares the heck out me. Rule 1. Never ever hire me as your GM...)

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:52 pm

He works for out-of-town slumlords. Their Fans are pathetic as the old school people move on or refuse to occupy the plastic seats at the shipwreck next to the river. What do you expect? He tries to sell tickets.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 06, 2020 at 06:01 am

It's the horn man. The horn....

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mrtundra's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:14 am

What's with the love for the vikings and Spielman? Drafting pro bowl players means nothing, if they don't win a Championship! How will Spielman keep all those draftees, without cutting more veteran staff? The circus in Minnesota is on a roll, with no sign of stopping, anytime soon. I look for the Packers to sweep Minnesota this year, again! SKOL, my ass!

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Lphill's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:54 am

I didn’t understand where you said Cory the Packers didn’t have the same sense of urgency ? Being a game away from the Super Bowl and needing a playmaker receiver and inside linebacker which both could have been had in the draft and instead getting backups and unknowns for the future is mind boggling. The Packers had by far the worst draft in the Entire NFL not just the North . NFL .com sums up the Packers draft , as a head scratcher.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2020 at 09:56 pm

Chargers moved up for Murray ahead of the Pack. Did you watch the draft or were you infatuated with a light weight , one-year wonder in Queen?

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:05 am

The Vikings lost players, but they at least drafted in attempt to replace those lost players and improve. GB did neither this draft, but chose to stand pat at obvious positions that are issues to varying degrees, but all deep enough to worry deeply about going forward.

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Coldworld's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:09 am

The Packers did not stand pat. They added. The fact that they weren’t what you expected doesn’t change that fact or rescue the accuracy of your statement.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 05, 2020 at 05:38 pm

Taryn, speaking as a former coach, I would love to go into a season with this bunch. I’ve got a QB who isn’t going to make big mistakes (remember the guy before him?) and throw away the game. He’ll execute and make good throws. He’s got the best running game he’s ever had and I think we can run on anybody.

We may or may not win the division, but this team can certainly get some stuff done.

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 05:57 pm

They're just getting things done and that's the problem. It's like going outside and cutting the grass and not edging it for that crisp looking cut. Just doing stuff half-ass.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:08 am

The Vikings have won the offseason about 40 times. They’re September champions.

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:53 am

"They're September Vikings."

The Vikings haven't had Rodgers the last ten years. The Packers are Division Champs...yippee!

That means as much as the Vikings have won the off season 40 times. Closing on 30 years of having two HOF QB's, and only three SB appearances with only 'one' coming from the much better of the two, or is that not a belief anymore.

I know, winning the SB is hard and yet, Eli Manning has two, Wilson has been in two with a win in less time,Mahomes will likely get there a couple more times and let us never forget that Brady has multiple more in two separate decades. And why is that and continue to be so? These teams don't rest on the laurels of last season, something that the FO and fans in GB find easily to do, however false the laurels be.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 05, 2020 at 11:27 am

And Brees? And Ryan?

Let’s list all the QBs who have been in two or more Super Bowls since Rodgers became our starter..

Brady. Wilson. Did I forget someone?

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May 05, 2020 at 12:58 pm

Ben, Peyton and Eli, Brady, Wilson and the salt, in the wound, is more those of lesser ability who got there because their FO's get players to make it happen. Flacco,Newton, Geoff, Kaep-r-dick, Foles, Ryan while not to forget that Brees got robbed of going to his second.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 05, 2020 at 04:21 pm

Since Rodgers became our starter, only Brady and Wilson have more Super Bowl appearances,

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May 05, 2020 at 05:31 pm

Big Ben-08' and 10'
P.Manning-09',13' and 15'
Wilson-13'and 14'
Brady-14', 16, 17 and 18'
Brees 09' and the 18' crime should be listed.
Eli Manning 07' and 11' with 07 just out of the perimeter.
Quibble over Brees and Eli, there are many QB's who would never see a SB if it weren't for their FO's doing what was needed to get there.
All GB's FO has done was put the burden of smelling the ass of the SB and less more so, on Rodgers

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Coldworld's picture

May 05, 2020 at 01:14 pm

So you acknowledge that picking Love when they could was something that they had to do if they rated him similarly? Interesting about face.

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Tarynfor12's picture

May 05, 2020 at 02:05 pm

The Packers did not NEED to select Love where they did, if fact I don't believe they NEEDED to select him at all. The mismanagement of this team from the FO is so blatantly obvious to the average fan and still, denied by same in GB. I seriously question the grading system of this FO.

One could scream all day, every day, that the Love pick was smart, it wasn't, it did nothing but hinder this team even more from getting to the SB, especially if one believes last season was the real deal and this is an SB caliber team.

You're all kidding yourselves for the sake of being a blind fan and wanting to not be banned from the bandwagon that leads you around with the proverbial carrot.

This FO was to be in win now mode, by virtue of Rodgers extension and subsequent salary adjustments to sigh FA's. They just blew that out of the water and basically said, ' Fuck it and the fans. We'll have a few more Division Titles and all will be good.' And the sheep go 'baa,baa,baa.'

They could and should have done a good+ job in this draft but, they did what did and now you'll all start looking for excuses why they don't make it again this season.

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Coldworld's picture

May 05, 2020 at 02:55 pm

Actually I don’t believe they need to pick him. However, in explaining away a point on the Vikings you ascribed their lack of success as being because they did not have a Rodgers.

Since it is clear that the Packers view Love as having real potential to be that, your logic would imply that to their going all out to get him as he fell within reach, even if it took them off script.

Yet in fact you seem to argue that he is a luxury that we should have passed on even if he is the key to the next decade. Sorry, passing on a player they view as the rarest of finds, a ten plus year starter, when our QB is in his mid 30s to gamble on a high pick receiver being able to take us over the hump to a Super Bowl this year? Now that is unwise thinking on so many levels.

Love may never be what they hope. The chances are against it. That said, the chances are that your receiver won’t bring the goods this year, perhaps never, either. Given the possible returns, the risk is more justified if the rearward is multiple credible Super Bowl shots. Since none of us can know at this point, we will just have to see what Love is as a player, but that doesn’t cure your logic irrespective of the outcome.

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May 05, 2020 at 03:44 pm

"Yet in fact you seem to argue that he is a luxury that we should have passed on even if he is the key to the next decade. Sorry, passing on a player they view as the rarest of finds, a ten plus year starter, when our QB is in his mid 30s to gamble on a high pick receiver being able to take us over the hump to a Super Bowl this year? Now that is unwise thinking on so many levels."

First, GB is in no position for luxury picks. Second, I find it hard to buy into the thinking or the grading that Love 'is the key to the next decade' a saying and thinking such says that 25 other teams said screw the next decade or you believe them dumb.

Car, Jax, TB, could have taken Love, and Ind, Pit could use the next decade QB, but all passed while Pitt and IND could have traded up to take him, since both are in the same as GB with older QB's, but IND, the only one rumored to have interest didn't trade up to get pass GB while having the opportunity. Every one of these teams could have drafted him with not hurting their drafts. They apparently believe their next decade QB is still in college and perhaps within the next three seasons where that rookie QB contract will actually help them and not taking Love helped them also but now.

You can say that Love fell into GB's hands but I doubt that premise. I believe teams simply felt him a 2nd round QB and not one to taken in the first much less trade up for him. We shall see, but what is more visible now, no SB entrance for GB with Rodgers and that's what the FO should have made sure happens and not undermining it.

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Coldworld's picture

May 06, 2020 at 07:53 am

What you or I think is the proper position a player should go is if no consequence. GMs are paid to evaluate and back their choices. Gute candidly admitted that he and LaFleur rated Love very highly and went out to get him as soon as they saw him reaching a pick that they could trade up to. That is the definition of a fall. No difference to Rodgers except TT just waited. The teams who would have taken a redo on Rodgers over the years represent pretty much the entire league outside NE and Indy (at that time).

If I knew who was right, drafting would be easy. But to express such certainty and back it with contradictory knowledge doesn’t hide the fact that your solution of receivers is not a guaranteed success either and that if Love is what the Packers think, not only will no one outside care, but no one here will either for about 15 years. Biggest prize in football. If he isn’t, well they can try again, but as 25 plus teams can tell you, getting one you truly believe in come within reach may be once in a career or never.

If you can’t see both arguments, it’s a good idea to come down from the pedestal. That doesn’t mean that you have to believe, it Is a huge gamble, but not that much more than relying on a receiver 20 plus teams didn’t think was the difference maker ( your logic) to contribute in year one and lift that offense to a Super Bowl.

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May 06, 2020 at 09:30 am

I see both sides of the argument, but I haven't read or seen anything to make me walk away from my side of thinking.

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Spock's picture

May 05, 2020 at 10:38 am

If anyone could use a laugh today (who doesn't) read and watch this story about the late Don Shula. It's a classic story and should put a smile on your face for a least a moment. :)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/this-story-of-don-shula-handling-a-...

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May 06, 2020 at 07:15 pm

Thanks. Nice story.

Tobin Rote and Max McGee might have confounded Shula: they stayed out so late that the valet guy might have finished his shift and gone home before those two wondered back to the hotel.

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May 05, 2020 at 05:09 pm

You mentioned Cousins as being improved.

This will generate a bunch of chickenshit downvotes, but if you do a little research, You’ll find that over the last five years, a small group is at the top in every category, from attempts and TDS to yards and rating.

Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Wilson. .......and Cousins. Go to pro-football-reference and look for all QBs from 2015 to now who’ve thrown 100 TD passes or more. When that group comes up, sort them any way you want and it’s the same 7 or 8 guys every time. He’s a good QB.

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May 05, 2020 at 07:38 pm

Evan Silva Bleacher report
Was speculation during the draft that #Colts wanted Jordan Love, which forced #Packers to trade [email protected] addressed that rumor on @MySportsUpdate podcast:

“I was told throughout that day that the #Colts under no circumstances would be trading back into the 1st round.”

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