Cory's Corner: Don't Doubt Brian Gutekunst

The Packers general manager has been hamstrung this season and has still mined enough talent to keep this franchise in contention. 

I don’t want to hear about how bad Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst has been for this franchise. 

This team has been without David Bakhtiari, Christian Watson, Eric Stokes, Jaire Alexander, Darnell Savage, Aaron Jones and De’Vondre Campbell for varying portions of the season. 

The fact that the Packers are being held together and still clinging to a wild card playoff berth is amazing. And let’s not forget that Gutekunst has put together a winning team despite being hamstrung with over $67 million in dead cap money — including over $40 million to a certain Aaron Rodgers. 

Take a look at the Packers depth chart. There is budding talent all over the place. Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks, That group might be the best collection of wide receiver talent in the league. Sixth-round rookie defensive end Karl Brooks has three sacks and has looked very impressive by setting the edge. Or how about the pair of tight ends that Gutekunst netted in the second and third round? Luke Musgrave and Tucker Kraft have raised a lot of eyebrows in limited roles and Kraft has just enough nasty to be a fan favorite. 

“It’s about the process and it’s about these guys in the locker room,” said Jones, who only has 245 rushing yards in seven games and he’s only averaging 12 touches a game. “I may not be having the year I want to have but it’s still how can I come in here and impact these guys and lead these guys and make sure they’re ready to play.”

But left out the biggest reason of all why Gutekunst has done a good job: Jordan Love. I will admit, I wasn’t sure about trading up in 2020 for a quarterback that didn’t exactly jump off the page at Utah State. And after Love’s name was turned in on draft day, Gutekunst’s legacy was forever sealed with No. 10. 

Love’s first season as a starting quarterback started out clunky, but he is figuring out the NFL and he’s also figuring out himself. He is a magician with his plethora of arm angles and his ability to extend plays. His deep ball needs polishing, but he has shown plenty of trust in his young receivers already and I cannot think of anyone else to grow with these young wideouts. 

If I had to quibble, I would argue that Gutekunst hung on to Rodgers a year too long. He could’ve netted more for him in trade by trading him sooner, but then again, Love may have not been ready. 

This team is stocked with so much promising talent and next year that dead cap number goes down to $5 million. We all think that this team is pretty good now, but just wait a year or two. In the offseason, the Packers have the opportunity to dip their toes in the free agency market — something that wasn’t easily available with Rodgers’ $41.9 million in total cash in 2022. 

So you can be unsure about Love and the slew of young talent that are now bursting onto the NFL scene. But what you cannot do is question how good of a job Gutekunst has done. 

Just when we all thought the future of the Packers was going to be bleak for the next several years, things have suddenly come into focus right now. 
 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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jvole's picture

December 09, 2023 at 07:19 am

I've never been a Gute hater, and agreed with an assessment from earlier in the year that he is a slightly above average drafter. But let's not get carried away. The NFC overall, and NFC north, is as weak as I can remember and the Packers are 6-6. I think the next 2-3 years will tell where he falls.

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DoubleJ's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:21 am

In reality there aren't any real juggernauts in the entire league. The 49ers are probably the best team overall and after that it is a grab bag.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:25 pm

Eagles and Cowboys are good.

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jvole's picture

December 10, 2023 at 04:33 am

The reason I said Gute needed time for evaluation is that the Rodgers situation was so complicated that it was difficult to judge Gute for anything else.

This ranking seems about right

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-gm-power-rankings-eagles-howie-roseman-reig...

Gute is at 8, so well above average.

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mnbadger's picture

December 09, 2023 at 07:21 am

BG has had plenty of misses on draft day, but he's done an excellent job building this roster.
As Cory stated, talent and depth everywhere, though shallower at OL.
With the foundation built, he has a bunch of bricks in the form of picks and cash to continue building.
Well done BG.
GPG!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:27 pm

Corey is entirely wrong about dead cap next season. WAY more than $5MM. Can't bring back everybody we'll want to, much less get FAs before 2025.

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Turophile's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:10 am

It's all about the last two years drafting. They have been very, very good.

Before that it wasn't as good. For example, 2020 was a poor draft year for the Packers.......except that that was the year they drafted Love, which probably makes that draft year a success, given the importance of having a good QB.

The last two years, they netted so many good choices, it has made a very significant difference (I almost said a giant difference, but then i remembered who they play on Monday).

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Savage57's picture

December 09, 2023 at 07:46 am

How well they've played in the absence of all those key players has me reminiscing about the "Next Man Up" philosophy of the 2010 team.

Yeah, I know, but it's more enjoyable than worrying.

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stockholder's picture

December 09, 2023 at 07:52 am

I disagree.
My Belief is MLF has more
to do with the turn around, then Guty.

The constant pressure put on this
Coaching staff, could make any GM great.
The "coaching up” players.
The game plan.

So instead of focusing on a GM.
And even Mark Murphy for meddling.
Try focusing on a coach that wants to win.

Give credit to those players who just want a Home.
And believe, Love and chemistry can bring success.
A group Dealing with negatives.
And when winning is contagious.

We’ve seen the one and done.
The history of peaks and declines in past teams.
So instead of pulling the old Sliparoo.
Give the credit to those who want to win!

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Savage57's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:07 am

There's no agreement and continuity in the positions you advocate. You're trying to back the data set into a conclusion.

You can't blame the GM for the players because of the results not meeting your capricious expectations, then pivot and praise the coach for the players because the results are coalescing. It's not a binary, zero-sum deal.

It doesn't pencil, clumsy, fractured, prose style notwithstanding.

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10ve 💚's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:25 am

👏👏👏👏👏

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:59 am

I agree, Savage. Some cling to narratives regardless of evidence that disproves it.

Gutey could cure cancer and he would complain Brian was putting oncologists out of work.

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Cheesey51's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:52 am

I disagree with both
The packers team: players, coaches and management are playing complimentary football

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:53 am

".. pulling the old Sliparoo" sounds kind of dirty, sh

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:02 pm

Yeah...now that you raise the metaphor with another meaning.

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Oppy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:53 am

"The constant pressure put on this
Coaching staff, could make any GM great."

In what universe does this statement make any sense?

As Savage57 states below, you spend so much time and energy trying to string together random bits and concoct narratives to support prior assessments that are falling apart.. and for all that effort and time taken all you manage to do is discredit yourself by making these wild, nonsensical proclamations. Have you ever considered just saying "I was wrong" and moving on? Or just avoiding the topic instead of doubling down on it?

Any way you slice it, if the team is having success, if the players are maturing and coming into their own, regardless if the coaches are "coaching them up" or if the team is coming together around their QB... The GM put the players in place that are providing those results.

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Packers0808's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:11 am

You are really one messed person.

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Bisonball's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:24 pm

Riiiight. Talent has nothing to do with it.

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 09, 2023 at 07:55 am

There's no way I'd call the WR group the most talented in the league. If you wanted to preface it by saying best YOUNG talent then maybe but certainly not best overall. Lost me after that.

The last two drafts look much better than Gutey's earlier ones but it's next year's draft that will really tell the story. If he can nab a couple stars given the extra picks this team could be a SB contender for the next few seasons.

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Oppy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:56 am

Keep in mind that talented doesn't necessarily translate into best or most productive.

I don't want to jump the gun and say they're the most talented WR corps in the league, but it's hard to point to another WR room in the NFL that I can definitely say is more talented top to bottom than the Packers right now.

All we can do is let them play and see what shakes out.

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Coldworld's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:20 am

What does the best mean? It’s a term that is always open to attack and depends, even if plausible, on what the writer means.

This receiver/TE group probably isn’t the best and doesn’t have the best individual current player, but it has depth of talent that is rare, is all young and likely hasn’t fully blossomed. The odds are not all will, but there’s enough depth, variety of talent to believe that this group as a whole could become a fearsome unit and maybe one or two grow into true game changing, blue chip players.

That’s one heck of an achievement in essentially two drafts with no free agent funds. Now we need to let them perform, something we’ve seen in recent weeks without having to wait for desperation, talent on both ends of the pass is showing through. As that gains experience, there’s a very good chance that this group could be feared more and more for the next few years without relying on one superstar. That’s the ideal O in my view in terms of franchise success.

Gute deserves credit for that. He’s the one that drafted these guys. Now we need to focus on improving the OL, particularly in the run game and upgrading S and run D. That’s partly coaching, but we can start to do that and still take a WR (for example) a year to fill the pipeline and build to sustain. Not bad after the forced shedding after the last dances. Much better than I expected last winter.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:41 am

Excellent. After Jordy the pipeline stopped. They waited until Adams, and I like this approach much better. Worse with TE over the years but that has changed as well fortunately.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:49 pm

LL,

can this coaching staff contend for a Lombardi? There's a history of requiring 6-8 games before getting it together. I thought it was just the team not being able to practice with AR12, but we see that the coaches don't start the season ready to go no matter how good of a TC they run.

I think some changes need to be made there, and probably more than 1 year of roster building before they can actually contend. Maybe return to winning the division next year? 2025 have the cap space to get some top flight FAs.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 11:39 am

I've never compared our WRs to others, I'm just a fan of all 8 of our WRs. As for the best 2, Miami is at least in the conversation if not the runaway favorite. Yet we had FIVE in last game, each of which is unique, and each of which might emerge as a GREAT.

On the bench we still have the fastest of the bunch in Bo Melton, Grant DuBose, and early favorite Simore Toure has become not even an also ran but I have to think is better than ever. Hopefully we don't have to use any of this depth this season, and I have no idea what any other team has to compare to that many talented WRs, but I think Gutey has this position covered until at least the 2025 draft.

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Packman60's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:22 am

The Packers future outlook is bright due to the job Gutey has done. No GM is perfect, but he has shown himself to be an astute judge of talent. He took a lot of heat for drafting Love, but history has shown the best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one. Keeping the Packers relevant after losing a generational talent at QB in Rodgers is an incredible accomplishment. Give the man the credit he deserves.

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Cheesey51's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:49 am

Let me know the other teams strapped with $60+ million in dead cap space and are playing for a playoff spot

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:06 pm

That is a very solid observation, Cheesy.

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MainePackFan's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:54 pm

The Eagles, Rams and Buccaneers.

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Coldworld's picture

December 11, 2023 at 10:20 am

A bit of a stretch.

Two 6 & 7 teams that aren’t playing anywhere close to the Packers recently, which is the context of this discussion. Then there is the Eagles, which are a good comparative at 10:3.

So one team, which has also had some pretty darn good talent acquisition after an earlier clear out. That’s just going on truly dead cap. If one counts Bakh (cheating somewhat) we are effectively carrying more than any.

If the upswing is real then the standard of play is historically freakish. We already knew the Eagles are that.

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MainePackFan's picture

December 11, 2023 at 11:20 am

The statement:

"Let me know the other teams strapped with $60+ million in dead cap space and are playing for a playoff spot"

The answer: The Eagles, Rams and Buccaneers.

Not really a stretch. Those teams are indeed "playing for a playoff spot". Further analysis of the context wasn't needed, nor required, to respond to the simple question.

The Rams could easily have won against the Ravens yesterday, making them 7-6. The Bucs are currently leading their division, albeit a terrible division. Regardless, both teams have 60+million in dead cap and are vying for a playoff spot.

However, If the Packers continue playing the way they have played the last 4 weeks, I will concur with your "one team" equivalency.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:49 am

Cory, you provocateur, you. Will the teeming minions of CHTV weigh-in on this one? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Let's play the Feud!

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 09, 2023 at 01:39 pm

This simple trick will have you...

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 11:40 am

Minions, lol

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ricky's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:19 am

It's interesting to read that Gutekunst is saddled with $67 million in dead cap, including $40 million to Rodgers. Who gave out those contracts? And to say that not getting rid of Rodgers earlier is a "quibble" is also an interesting choice of words. The Packers could have had a big haul of draft picks and players if they had sent him to Denver. And if they felt Love wasn't ready, sign a stop-gap QB to mentor him, and at least try to keep the team respectable until they felt they could move on to Love. Water under the bridge, but also a fascinating "what if" scenario. As far as Gutekunst's overall performance? Between good/very good. A lot is going to depend on what he feels is necessary to pay Love.

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Coldworld's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:32 am

The contracts were Murphy and Ball, that’s not Gute’s prerogative. Murphy drove the Rodgers extension that, while undone, still counts 40 million this year.

I doubt anyone here really believes that Gute called the shots on Rodgers the last few years. I really don’t doubt that Gute wasn’t the one turning down Denver.

We gambled on Rodgers and a decreasing cap and lost (I believe primarily through LaFleur:Barry/Drayton/Stenavich’s switcheroo), but to get back to this roster in 2 drafts is remarkable regardless of whether it’s as much luck or judgement.

There is still work to do, but this kind of core allows us to build up our weaknesses while still improving. That’s as exciting as the seeming validation of Love as a starting talent, maybe more.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:44 am

"There is still work to do, but this kind of core allows us to build up our weaknesses while still improving. That’s as exciting as the seeming validation of Love as a starting talent, maybe more."

And is something we should all be very happy about now. I am. I can't recall a time when we were better positioned going into next year's draft. Better yet we have 5 games or more to progress further before we start thinking about what we need to add!

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Norm's picture

December 09, 2023 at 04:31 pm

Yeah but it's gonna be tough given that we'll be picking last in each round!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:37 pm

I would be perfectly happy with that!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 11:53 am

Lol

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:01 pm

I just find it hard to understand how fans could think a GM would make the choice to move on from a quarterback, who just won his second MVP in a row. That just does not happen in the NFL. Never has, never will. They probably wanted to move on from him after it was looking like his skills were waning l, but as soon as Jordan love was drafted, Aaron Rodgers started playing lights out, and I’m sure they felt #12 gave them the best possible chance to win a Super Bowl with the roster they had.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:09 pm

True. No way were they getting rid of AR12 a year earlier. 20/20 hindsight doesn't even say his skills were waning; between the rib injury and a broken thumb, that accounts for his worst season ever.

Hopefully JL10 is more interested in winning than getting as much % of the cap as possible.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 09, 2023 at 01:16 pm

My opinion:
The General Manager of Player Personnel (Gutey) did not make the monumental financial decision extend Rodgers. That decision was made by the President (Murphy), with agreement from his Executive Vice President/Director of Football Operations (Ball) and his Head Coach.

Gutey, Ball, MLF are all direct reports to MM and serve on his Football Committee. I believe Gutey was excited about the offer he negotiated with Denver for Rodgers. (Gutey seems to enjoy negotiating.) That was a good deal.

But he was overruled 2-1 on the Committee. MLF wanted his MVP QB...Ball was on board too...MVP Rodgers was good for football operations (player development, marketing, facilities, diet, etc)...Rodgers is a smart man in all things football.

Murphy agreed and approved the monumental financial investment in Rodgers.

If Gutey had the authority Ron Wolf had as General Manager of the Packers, Rodgers would have been traded to Denver.

Gutey was eventually was given authority to trade him, a year too late, receiving a lot less after a bad season for Rodgers.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:14 am

What evidence do we have that A) there was a deal worked outta with Denver, and B) that Murphy quashed said deal ? Both seem plausible, but that doesn’t prove anything.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:19 pm

I think all this is likely except for the part with a deal worked out with Denver; I see no evidence of that. If we saw ideas for a trade Gutey worked up, even that doesn't mean he would have pulled the trigger given the option. It would tell us he was at least thinking about it.

I agree, it does seem Gutey enjoys negotiating. While that's good for the position, he's better at it in some situations and worse in others. Was the recent signing a better DB than Rasul Douglas?

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Rgillingham13's picture

December 09, 2023 at 09:35 am

Well this year is a little better Thani expected but a little early to crown him. He had years with AROD there and playing at MVP and failed to add defense and WR'S to get a Super Bowl. Maybe he learned , we will see

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:34 am

See salary cap for details.

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stockholder's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:22 pm

See Amari Rodgers.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:41 pm

Touche

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stockholder's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Correct: Gutey had Rodgers, and Management profited by it.
It didn't take much to know the Tes could
be replaced. Especially age, production and salary.
The defense was always another case since 2010.
Getting Wrs Late was short thinking.
Actually unprincipled.

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Oppy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 09:39 pm

Failed to add defense, you say?

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Swisch's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:00 am

I would caution against getting too high or too low with this Packers team at this time.
We'll see what happens Monday night, and then game to game to game to game after that until the end of the regular season.
I'm super excited about these Packers, but also wary about them letting up before they really achieve sustained accomplishment.
The final five games of this 2023 season is altogether a test for the players and coaches, and a reflection on Gute.
A lot will depend on determination and perseverance. So many games go down to the final seconds, and wildcard playoff spots tend to go down to the last game of the season. When things are going poorly, will our Packers keep their poise and fight through to the end?
I'm hoping for 3-5 wins down the stretch -- and a playoff spot -- but these guys have to be ready to prepare properly in practice and then to perform on the field.

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Packers0808's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:15 am

What you say is true about any team!

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Swisch's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:35 am

Good point, P0808, although with a really young and untested team such as these Packers, it's all the more true.
As sloppy as the Packers were in the first several weeks of the season, and as good as they have been during the past two victories, it's a real drama as to what will happen for the rest of this season.
It's exciting to anticipate, but also fraught with dangers from overconfidence.
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I think of a couple of great plays against the Chiefs: (1) the touchdown pass to Watson in the endzone to his back shoulder and just over the hand of the leaping defender (2) the long looping pass to Doubs with him falling backward for the catch amidst three or four defenders -- such plays are remarkable, razor-thin, wow plays.
If the Packers slack off even a little, those kind of plays don't happen, perhaps even turn into turnovers. It's such a fast game, often with so little margin for error.
The energy and focus have to be consistently on a high level for the Packers to build on their recent success and surge into the playoffs.
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So much of life is being reminded of what we already know, but tend to lose sight of in the excitement of the moment, or during times of discouragement.
We need to be continually reinforced in doing the right things and avoiding the wrong things.
As Lombardi emphasized, it's not enough to do things the right way some of the time; we have to strive for excellence always in things big and small.
In youth especially is the tendency to get too high or too low.
That's where respected vets like Aaron Jones, as indicated above, can make a big difference in providing perspective and setting an example.
Eat well. Sleep well. Stick together as a team. Don't give up.
Simple, but not always easy.

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Swisch's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:54 am

To quoth from Kipling, as best I can recall:
"If you can dream, and not make dreams your master,
and think, but not make thoughts your aim;
if you can meet with triumph and disaster,
and treat those two imposters just the same . . . .
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
to serve your turn long after they are gone;
and so hold on when there is nothing in you,
except the will which says to them, 'Hold on!'"
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Perhaps seemingly trite, but as I've gotten older, I've understood more and more the challenge of keeping my balance in good times and bad, and at times just holding on for dear life.
"If . . ."

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 09, 2023 at 01:44 pm

I think it might be called wisdom.

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Swisch's picture

December 09, 2023 at 03:30 pm

When we've earned wisdom the hard way, we want to impart it to young people so as to spare them unnecessary suffering.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:37 pm

Duty and privilege.

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TKWorldWide's picture

December 09, 2023 at 03:28 pm

Aren’t those the lyrics from “Enter Sandman”?

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Norm's picture

December 09, 2023 at 04:37 pm

This Kipling you quote, is he on the Green Bay coaching staff?

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Tundraboy's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:48 pm

My family always had an illustrated version of that on the wall in our kitchen growing up, still there in my own home. Now that I think about it, it also has unique carved wooden Green frame . Among my mother's many wise lessons I continue to pass on to my sons. Thanks for the fresh reminder.

Hope she brings us some good fortune. Be positive but grounded, I suppose is what she would tell us today. She was also a world class worry wart.! Lol Sicilian afterall of course. GPG

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Swisch's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:34 am

Good stuff in your comment, Tundraboy.
God bless your mom!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:55 am

Thank you Swisch. It was one of those things for me that became more relevant and true over time. I was lucky to have her

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rcPATNSjQhBuN5R86

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Swisch's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:56 pm

:-)

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:39 pm

RIP

🎶 Precious Memories 🎶

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:10 pm

Thank you my friend.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:35 pm

Great literature and classics are called that for a reason 🍻

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:33 pm

"Young and untested."

Yeah I'm not buying it.

This team has been TESTED, as only losses can do. They've seen failure after failure, and been forced to look at their own glaring errors, weaknesses, etc.

For all their progress and recent success, they have STRUGGLED to get to .500 and are on the bubble for a 6 or 7th seed playoff berth. If that's enough to give this roster the big head, they simply do not have the hearts of champions. There's still SO much room for improvement, everywhere you look.

Assuming that their raw guts is better than being so easily overcome by foolish pride as well as their talent, it will still take an extraordinary effort from the coaching staff to keep this team winning CONSISTENTLY. If they can win out they finish 11-6, which would be a REMARKABLE upset.

I'd love to see it. GPG!!

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MainePackFan's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:15 am

"I would caution against getting too high or too low with this Packers team at this time.
We'll see what happens Monday night, and then game to game to game to game after that until the end of the regular season."

I 100% agree with this statement Swisch. Let's just enjoy the ride, even if it gets a little bumpy ; )

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:03 pm

So you’re saying that your “super excited”, but not “too high,”?

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Swisch's picture

December 09, 2023 at 03:32 pm

It's a delicate balance ;-).
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:22 pm

11-6 😎

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jhtobias's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:40 am

While it is true gute has done a nice job of finding talent in all rounds and very limited free agency i think lafluer who had taken his share of bashing deserves the same credit as gute.

Of course gute has had many misses in the draft but all great gms do. The great ron wolf said if you can get 3 solid starters out of a draft class you have done well.

My only qualm with lafluer is he is to loyal. Lookbthe defense has been average ok but after three years and multiple higj draft picks cant we expect more ? Will be really interesting to see what happens.

If love continues becomming the qb of the future both lafluer and gute are set no doubt.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:48 pm

Yes MLF deserves credit, for failing to put together a serviceable O line until after week 6 two seasons in a row. Failing to get at least two layers of coaches (Butkus and Stenovitch) to correct GLARING errors in individual play this season. Failure to put together a strength and conditioning staff that is anything other than bad, for several years now. Failure to get a TE coach who's played TE. Failure to get the WR room practicing enough on simply CTFB from OTA day 1 to week 6 of the regular season.

Failure to have a D with more than 1 strategy, to win with a lead, and consistently underperforms as compared to their talent level.

Winning out the last 5 games does not erase all that. Is GB really going to redeem the past 30 years with only 3 trips to the SB with all that uncorrected?

Notice that NONE of this is within any of Gutey's roles.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 09, 2023 at 10:46 am

Let's ask Mr. Wizard to take us to the wayback machine and see if we're making any progress.

Less than a year ago, we were mired in mediocrity and had just lost the game we needed to win to get in to the playoffs. Our QB was old and expensive. The offense wasn't scoring in critical situation. So we traded him away, got two high second round picks, and lined up with our new QB who we'd bee preparing for this for 3 years. We said goodbye to our old TEs, Lewis and Tonyan, and hello to Musgrave and Kraft. Lazard and Cobb left and we replaced them with Reed and Wicks. All of these people are under contract for the next couple of seasons.

We're 6-6 and could actually finish the season on an 8 game win streak. And we have 5 picks in the Top 90 or so in the draft. Already. It looks very much to me that Love is the best QB in the division now that Cousins is finished.

I'd say Gutekunst has earned his Christmas bonus.

btw, I found out today that you could bet on the Packers to win more than 9.5 games and win 150 bucks. If I were the kind of guy that bet on football games, that would look really attractive to me.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 09, 2023 at 02:08 pm

Well stated, LH. And the Cap monster is no longer being fed, but starved. The GM of Player Personnel will soon have additional options to build the roster.

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pantz_bURp's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:00 am

I would go so far as to say the Gutester is the smartest GM in the room. Look at how GM12 (er, GM08) assembled his team in NY and the results so far.

Thank the big man upstairs that Gutester didn't listen any longer to #12 regarding the hows and the whys (no, not wise) of building a roster. I can't dance any longer for one more last dance of the last dance. My twin brother can though. He is addicted to dancing. Can do it all night and day. It is to the point it as all-consuming for him that he is contemplating joining a two-step program at our local YMCA.

Pantz

***Oh, and this year sorry to have to say this...but I won't accept any Christmas presents after the 27th of this month. Thanks in advance for your cooperation and understanding.

**Come on Santa, chop chop...all gas, no breaks baby!

*Thanks 08 for cheering for #10 of the Pack. That was thoughtful of you taking most of the experienced WRs with you to NY. You know, the ones that could have aided #10 with his development at the beginning of the season. You like apples? How bout them Big apples.

Go PACK Go!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:33 am

A wise man once said the true impact positions are QB, Edge, CB, and LT. Gute has acquired Love, Gary, Jaire, and Zack Tom (I know hes RT but should be LT of the future) and their average age is 25.25 years old. Thats the core that will carry this team into the future.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:00 pm

We have 5 guys much bigger than #50. I'd love to see them all evaluated before this season is over and Tom on the interior next season, C or G.

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rowe450's picture

December 09, 2023 at 11:55 am

The biggest question for Pack the rest of the year is run D.

To me, there is 1 BIG reason why GB struggles so much against the run:

- Their 2 inside linebackers do not step up an fill against inside runs consistently or well. Joe Barry D is et up to prevent the pass, not stuff the run.

Walker and Campbell run well and are quick but they are not physical or especially good tacklers. They are more like outside linebackers than inside linebackers.

This deficiency will likely limit how far GB goes this year.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:34 pm

Why is run D the biggest question mark? Most points are scored on passing plays, most of the yards you get in the game are passing plays, and most of the big plays are in the passing game.

You have correctly identified why the team "struggles" against the run: We're trying to limit damage in the passing game, and if that means we give up 0.4 more yards /rush than an average team, I'm fine with that as long as POINTS are kept off the board, because it's points, not rushing yards, that determine games.

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 09, 2023 at 01:49 pm

is that the old math, or the new math.

regardless, it's math. the packers are a much better team when they score more than the opposition.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:16 pm

Yes but as with us, the run sets up the passing game facilitating easier first downs and scoring opportunities. So it is always like playing wih fire. To me the 3 and 10 yarders we give up are the killers. I look forward to the day when I don't have to hold my breath.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:09 am

At this point with the never ending problem defending the run maybe it's time to go to a 4-3 next season.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:28 pm

I'd like to see 4 down linemen on at least some of the obvious run plays against NY, with #99 J Ford at least called up.

I don't expect to see either. 3 down linemen more than half the time, with our pass rush disrupting them constantly?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:11 pm

At least call up #99 J Ford for this game. What will JB do when NY has 6 O linemen? The last 2 games could have been lost had the opponent simply committed to the run.

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TxFred's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:26 pm

This team isn't being held together with bailing wire & spit. There is talented depth there. Gutsy has assembled a very good team. O Line is the weakest link, poor execution & zero consistency.
But, the off season will cure that. The Pack will be truly balance & Love will have a field day.
Now, they are borderline 1 trick pony. MLF is disguising the OLine's weakness with cute, ena-arounds & mis direction, working so far.
But, sooner or later he needs power runs between the tackles. Blocking and no hugging & holding. Gutsy will correct the O Line. GPG!!!!

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 09, 2023 at 01:52 pm

why though. if cute controls the clock and scores points, what's the point of power runs.

if they can't stop it, why stop doing it. you sound like bob mcginn. yeah sure, the packers won the super bowl, but they did it the wrong way.

jeezus.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 09, 2023 at 02:57 pm

WHY? CUZ CUTE AINT FOOTBAW, SON! *spitschewingtobacco*

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:11 am

I love Packers sweeps as well. Always have.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:29 pm

Lombardi did, too.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:15 pm

If coaches don't create a strong O line this year, what makes you think they can next? Look at the guys we have on the bench. Look at the bad habits that were tolerated for at least 6 weeks.

It's not a lack of talent, and recent wins evidence this.

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Since'75's picture

December 10, 2023 at 06:54 pm

I'm sorry lol......
Did someone call Gute....Gutsy?

Live and let life i imagine. 🤷‍♂️😏😲

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BAMABADGER's picture

December 09, 2023 at 12:40 pm

“We have nothing to fear…………but Joe Barry himself”

GPG!

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 09, 2023 at 01:55 pm

Don't put me in the pro-Joe Barry column, but the D is a top ten scoring defense. I think that's sort of the point. They held KC and Detroit, two teams with explosive offenses. Honestly, what will Joe Barry have to do to get some respect?

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 09, 2023 at 02:31 pm

I rewatched the game. The Chiefs first 4 possessions saw them drive the field and score all 4 times...2 FGs in the first half and 2 TDs to start the 2nd. The FGs were huge thanks to sacks by the D. But the Chiefs got into scoring position consistently.

Another possession was stopped thanks to Nixon's excellent INT.

And the potential game tying TD was stopped by a non call of pass interference near the goal line. The non call of pass interference was a huge help for the D.

Joe Barry's scoring D can be effective when they get red zone sacks and/or turnovers. That would apply to any defense. Dangerous to rely on those in order to play complimentary football. Let's hope sacks and T/Os keep coming because preventing first downs is not what Barry's defense does.

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 09, 2023 at 03:53 pm

Not sure what your point is. They made the stops. And, having rewatched as you say you did, KC had 4 first half possessions. One of them was the kneel down, one a stop (can't recall if it was 3 and out), and 2 field goals. That was dominant defense. 6 points surrendered.

And there you did it. I'm defending Barry. Hell must truly be freezing right over.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:32 pm

JB has respect. For being a 1 trick pony, who can win as long as you never get behind.

Will that really cause GB to emerge as a dominant contender? Never. We need a real DC.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:19 pm

Stop playing soft on 3rd and long?

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joejetson's picture

December 09, 2023 at 06:29 pm

I totally agree that GB hung into Aaron Rodgers a year too long. I wonder if we'll ever get the full story about WHO decided to renegotiate #12's mega-contract extension. And further, who decided to decline what must have been some astronomical trade offers from several teams for A.R.

Detroit went from a perennial laughingstock with a bare bones roster to a solid team in two years after the Matt Stafford trade. The Packers could have had a haul like the Lions or what the Cowboys got for Herschel Walker. That deal won Dallas multiple Super Bowls.

The other consideration here is the Packers only have one more year with Love on a team friendly contract. If he continues to play well, he'll be in the $40 to $50 million range by 2025.

Then the Cap shenanigans will have to restart to keep the new Band together.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:39 pm

Hopefully JL10 decides he wants to win more than he wants to squeeze as much as the market will bear. $20 MM is a LOT of money! If he were to forego more than that he could exhibit leadership for others to do the same, and contribute to creating a DYNASTY.

Look at what the savings of $25MM / yr could do: one superstar FA for 11, 2 excellent FAs for 5, and $4MM for the in-season budget to get through whatever might turn up. That can make all the difference in the world ...

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Since'75's picture

December 10, 2023 at 07:04 pm

JL can be resigned, ONLY after May of next year, after free agency.

I'll go on record that JL won't take 20 million...no where close to that....lol
He'll take market value as a starting QB, 40-50 million as joejetson stated.

This only happens if JL keeps playing well.
Or the Packers could wait till next season to get another look at him, and then offer him a long term deal.
BUT....if JL10 keeps playing well...the longer they wait, the more they'll pay.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 10:23 pm

That's the way it will have to go. Smarter to see if a contract was justified. Can't always have it both ways. As long as it isn't Daniel Jones level of stupidity.we will be fine.

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Since'75's picture

December 11, 2023 at 07:11 am

Agreed.....

If it cost an extra 2-4 million/year (to be sure of what were getting) so be it.

A guy doesn't earn a 200 million dollar contract, based on a handful of games.

But....it's a good start. Love has been playing well.

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Since'75's picture

December 10, 2023 at 06:58 pm

"I wonder if we'll ever get the full story about WHO decided to renegotiate #12's mega-contract extension."
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This shouldn't be that complicated or confusing.

Murphy told us everything goes through him, that he makes the ultimate decision on football operations.

Murphy had to sign off on it, whether it was his idea or not.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 09, 2023 at 08:20 pm

They seem to be hitting their stride. Let’s hope the ascension continues.. because if the lose some winnable games down the stretch the opinions could easily do a 180.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:14 am

Even so, they would stumble, but they have made enough progress in areas that can not be reversed . I don't see a 180 as possible.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2023 at 01:41 pm

Never say never.

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Since'75's picture

December 10, 2023 at 07:09 pm

Exactly Sic.....

The Packers played very,very well against the Lions and the Chiefs, and they get full credit for that.

But....lets not pretend that the Lions and the Chiefs don't have their share of problems right now.

This is why i always say, this is a week to week league.
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Though i still stand by what i've stated.....

If the Packers end the season with a winning record...chalk that up as a WIN for 2023.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

December 10, 2023 at 07:54 am

Cory quote: "If I had to quibble, I would argue that Gutekunst hung on to Rodgers a year too long. He could’ve netted more for him in trade by trading him sooner, but then again, Love may have not been ready."

Granted, I'm not in the know, but I do feel the decision to extend Rodgers went well beyond Gute's authority, if you know what I mean.

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NFLfan's picture

December 10, 2023 at 09:26 am

I have noticed that Gutekunst seems to be the only adult who has stood up to Rodgers. (Granted, he was likely the cause of Aaron's antics, but after what I see on the Jets, they could use someone like Gute)

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Since'75's picture

December 11, 2023 at 06:34 pm

Was he standing up to him when he made Rodgers the highest paid QB, while his handpicked QB, was riding the bench?

Standing up to him would have been trading him when Rodgers asked to be traded in 2020.
Plus, that would have been the right move collecting a Kings ransom for him back then.

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Since'75's picture

December 10, 2023 at 12:47 pm

Don't Doubt Brian Gutekunst!!

News Flash...People have been doubting him for the last 6 seasons.

Which is why you even have an article titled as such.

People have been doubting him, not because they hate him, but because of some of the head scratching moves he's made through the years.

When Gute wins something, we can then....crown Gute.

Gute is in his 6th year....what has he won?
Divisional playoff games?
I think you get a banner to hang in your stadium for those.

Wolf and Thompson both built Championship rosters and won a Super Bowl by the end of their 6th season.

But you want to crown Gute because.....?
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I always thought the standard in Green Bay was winning Super Bowls.

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White92's picture

December 10, 2023 at 05:31 pm

I have to agree. While the Packers have had a good couple of games, things can revert quickly. Reed, Wicks, Musgrave, and Kraft all look good, but nothing says they can't regress. The poor picks of Deguara, Amari, MVS, and ESB along with how the drafting of Love was handled put them in the current position to begin with.

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Since'75's picture

December 10, 2023 at 06:02 pm

There were a lot more poor picks than that, not to mention paying overvalue for free agents and spending a years salary cap (182 million) on them in two weeks.
This...a year after making Jimmy Graham the highest paid tight end 4 years out of his prime.
When, with Rodgers, Jordy Nelson could have caught more TD's passes in his sleep, than Graham did in two seasons.

Then, making Rodgers the highest paid QB, while you have your 1st round QB sitting on the bench in his 3rd season wondering wtf is going on?

Then you get in cap hell because of the reasons above and pushing everyone's salary down the road in restructuring over 4 years.
(So much so that the Packers had to hire a salary cap expert to help them get it under control).
Yes....it's true.

But of course the salary cap isn't the Packers fault.
OMG NO!!....The kool aid drinkers blame it on Rodgers.
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Keep them coming!! 🍼😭👶🏻
I'm not going to get to 1,300 downvotes drinking kool aid.
Lets step it up people!!

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MM'.-_S's picture

December 11, 2023 at 11:59 pm

Amen! Don't let Gute's poor decisions go away without calling him out. So far Gutekunst's actions have quite a few of us scratching our heads . . .

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Oppy's picture

December 10, 2023 at 09:42 pm

Wolf and Thompson both had complete control over all football personnel decisions, including hiring of the HC, and player contracts.

You can't compare apples to oranges.. besides, most GM's NEVER win a superbowl, so I'm not sure there's any real bite in arguing that a GM hasn't done it "in six years."

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Since'75's picture

December 11, 2023 at 07:27 am

Well thanks for proving my point, the Packers are mismanaged and Murphy needs to haul his ass out of town.

July of 2025 can't come fast enough for me.

It can be argued Opie, because it has been done, not once....but TWICE in Green Bay.
IF the standard is winning Super Bowls, AND two previous GM's both built rosters and won Super Bowl's.....

Why then...cant Gute be compared to them as far as results?
Will it hurt his feelings?

Standard = Super Bowls...Those are Gutes words.

Thank you for understanding.

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Oppy's picture

December 11, 2023 at 08:28 am

What if it takes 8 years to win a super bowl?

..and then that GM helps lead the team to 2 more over the next 5 years?

Is 1 SB in the first 6 years better than 3 in 13? See how silly the comparison is?

This idea of putting a GM on a timeline to win championships is just a lazy and short sighted as comparing Love's development to Rodgers by time.

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Since'75's picture

December 11, 2023 at 02:17 pm

Well Opie......

Lets do this.
Before we talk about winning 3 make believe SuperBowls in 13 years.
Why don't we do it one at a time.

If it takes 8 years to win a Super Bowl, so be it, i can live with that.
But here's the problem.....
Actually winning it!!!
Lets finish a season over .500 and take it from there before we start 'predicting' SB wins under Gutes guidance.

So lets do this my friend...
When Gute wins his 1st Super Bowl, LOOK ME UP😲 🙄😏
Until then, i'll wait patiently, as i have for years.
Maybe next season we can win the NFC North banner to hang up, i don't know, i'm not as clairvoyant as you seem to be.

And yes, i see exactly how silly you sound, but that's ok tiger, we all have our opinions.
Some more elementary than others.

Thank you for understanding.

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Since'75's picture

December 12, 2023 at 03:30 pm

"Lets finish a season over .500 and take it from there before we start 'predicting' SB wins under Gutes guidance."

^Silly season^ in football forums responding to SB predictions, in December.

I have to run out and get some aspiran.

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Oppy's picture

December 14, 2023 at 08:14 pm

It's not a prediction, it's a hypothetical, my man.

There's a distinct difference.

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