Cory's Corner: Character Is Getting Revealed

There are plenty of people looking for answers after the Packers got their tails whipped 31-17 by the Patriots on Sunday night.

Aaron Rodgers missed plenty of receivers by completing only 55 percent — his third sub 60 percent passing game this season. There was once again a lack of discipline with boneheaded penalties as the Packers were ticketed with seven. And finally, Tom Brady was only hurried four times with Mike Daniels and seldom used Antonio Morrison picking up sacks.

Those things are serious issues but the real reason why the Packers continue to spin their tires and the reason why this team will fail to claim the NFC North is because it is selfish. Rodgers signed a huge $134 million extension in August, but he’s still playing and acting like he’s a one-person team. How many times will Rodgers complain about an incompletion rather than meet up with the receiver and figure out what went wrong? Leaders don’t have time to grumble because they are too concerned about the next play.

This is why the Packers gave Rodgers that much money. Granted the windows that he can place the ball is something that no other quarterback can do. His mind is amazing and when healthy, he can also terrorize teams with his legs. But now that the Packers’ season has gone sideways, it’s up to Rodgers to get this team back on track.

It doesn’t do any good for Rodgers to complain about things and then calmly talk about sipping a scotch in the postgame. The problem with that attitude is that the rest of his teammates mimic it. If one of the best passers in the game does anything, it’s only a matter of time before that behavior gets repeated.

If coach Mike McCarthy really has a handle on this team, he needs to implore Rodgers to be the bigger man. If Rodgers challenges him with, “How are you going to do that,” that would be the final nail in the coffin for McCarthy in Green Bay. There’s no way that a coach cannot get fired if the team’s best player doesn’t respect him.

I always hear the phrase about accountability when talking about McCarthy. Why isn’t Rodgers accountable and why is he held on a different standard?

Look, I don’t wear a tinfoil hat. I’ve seen and heard some people say that Rodgers is on the downfall of his career. Let’s pump the brakes on that. He turns 35 next month and is passing for over 2,500 yards with 15 touchdowns and one pick. Those are excellent numbers.

There’s a reason Rodgers wears that capital C on his jersey. He’s a captain and is expected to act like it. That doesn’t mean being petulant when things don’t go your way.

Character gets revealed when times are going bad and Rodgers’ stripes are showing up loud and clear. He continues to ad-lib when other receivers are open and he continues to snipe at his head coach.

I really thought that the Packers would be scoring nearly 35 points a game with a healthy Rodgers and a capable running game. After eight games, Green Bay is averaging 24.

Sunday night’s game pitted Tom Brady vs. Rodgers but those two showed just how different they are. Brady is more willing to listen to criticism while Rodgers shakes his head when he continues to get plays patched in to his helmet headset late.

Things aren’t perfect by any measure in Green Bay. But if you’re going to dole out praise for Rodgers during the wins, it’s time he gets the criticism when his team loses.

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2018 at 06:13 am

Aaron Rodgers is a problem - he's playing like a mid-tier QB and getting paid as the best one in the league. I'm sure part of that is the injury, but the other part is that MM can't control him. He's not playing on schedule within the offense, because he's not buying into the offense. And while that's not excusable, there is good reason for it too - While there has been more variety this year, MM's offense is old and stale generally. He's shown the same faults for years now.

It's time to move on.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 06, 2018 at 06:56 am

I assume you mean move on from Mackyball.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:02 am

Yes. Obviously not ARod.

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Rak47's picture

November 06, 2018 at 01:10 pm

Rodgers is obviously frustrated and many people think it's because of MM and his old stale west coast offense. Seems former NFL QB and top overall pick in 02, David Carr agrees with that assessment even go so far as to say ". Honestly, Bill Walsh or Steve Mariucci could start calling plays this week, and the Packers' offense would look exactly the same. Green Bay is often too predictable ". Here's a link for anyone interested in his opinion. www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000985074/article/offensive-player-ranking...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 07, 2018 at 02:04 am

I don't know David Carr, but he sounds like a moron. Carr devoted a large portion of his column to using game winning drives and comeback wins as a measure of QB greatness. That is inane, IMO.

If Bill Walsh or Mariucci started calling plays for GB, the offense would improve quite a bit. I believe that if GB brought in an OC with sufficient stature to command AR's respect, GB's offense would be dynamite.

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ricky's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:36 am

The same thing happened with Favre. It used to be "Brett Favre and the GBP". Now, only the name of the QB has changed. Amnd just like Favre believed he was bigger than the team, so it appears the same thing has happened with Rodgers. What changed? The coach. MM did something I thought impossible: he brought Favre back under control. So, what needs to happen now? The Packers need to have MM retire honorably, which he's earned, IMO. Then bring in a coach who can rein in AR, get the team focused, and end Rodgers career with a couple more SB appearances.

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Hawg Hanner's picture

November 06, 2018 at 09:14 am

Is it really a matter of "reigning" in Rogers or is the seeming frustration on AR's part based on McCarthy's game planning or more generally the lack of success. Even with the old offensive coordinator back the play calling doesn't look that sharp.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:09 am

It doesn't matter. My boss does idiotic things sometimes. I advise him when I think it prudent, but ultimately, the buck for my department stops with him. When he says jump, I say how high? If he was bad enough, I'd consider quitting... but until then...

Unless ARod wants to retire, then he needs to STHU and let MM fail by playing within the system.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:10 am

Absolutely. But this assumes that MM would elect to retire rather than being forced out. Why extend him in the offseason? Why give him more power? This was Murphy's biggest failing (after not recognizing that TT needed to go prior to 2015).

This could get messy.

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dobber's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:32 am

"This could get messy."

I'm a believer that MM was kept to encourage a look of team stability as the GM changed and to encourage #12 to resign. That's no longer an issue.

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Jamie Freier's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:54 am

"Then bring in a coach who can rein in AR, get the team focused, and end Rodgers career with a couple more SB appearances."

Tom Coughlin? hehehehhee

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GoldenRetriever's picture

November 06, 2018 at 05:27 pm

I agree with you that MM should retire honorably at the end of this season. He needs to get off the NFL hamster wheel for a while. Spend time with his family and take better care of himself. He can always return to coaching in the future if he wants to.

I hope the Packers can make a good hire and find someone capable of dealing with an ego like Rodgers’.

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mamasboy's picture

November 07, 2018 at 12:58 am

Well said ,ricky.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 07, 2018 at 02:10 am

Hawg has a good point. I think AR needs to play within the structure of the offense, but that means that the structure of the offense has to be a good one. Is it? I do think MM has improved the plays. He just emphasizes the wrong ones, or as Mojo suggested, AR is changing them. Can't tell which.

One thing needs to be priority #1: if something is working, keep doing it until the other team stops it. If that means running Aaron Jones 38 times in some game, so be it. Looks like we're keeping him fresh for the playoffs that we might not get into.

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Mojo's picture

November 06, 2018 at 01:27 pm

The one thing I'd like to know is how many of the play-calls are MM's vs ARods. I think AR can audible-out of nearly any play call. If he can audible out and he doesn't and the play blows-up, isn't he then somewhat complicit. Even if it's a MM play is he enthusiastically following through with it. And by winding the clock-down so often isn't he forfeiting the ability to change a call? A lot of questions I'd love to know the answer to.

Until I know who's really running the offense, I can't make a sensible assessment of who's more at fault for the malaise.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 06, 2018 at 06:30 am

Plus, who knows if his teammates even LIKE scotch?

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Oppy's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:05 am

lol, TK..He really has been laying it on thick.

I've been assuming (over the last year or so) it's all pre marketing for the brand's eventual launch the day he retires. Just get it over with Aaron and announce your "Aaron #12-year Scotch" label and be done with it.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 06, 2018 at 09:38 am

I'll drink to that Oppy

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GoldenRetriever's picture

November 06, 2018 at 05:28 pm

Doesn’t everyone like Scotch?

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Tundraboy's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:31 pm

Prefer Rye, or Irish Whiskey.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 06:39 am

"Look, I don’t wear a tinfoil hat."

So you are saying you are not Bearmeat?

;)

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:02 am

lol

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:16 am

I'd recommend Transparent Aluminum. That way you can wear the tinfoil hat without anyone being the wiser, a very important consideration.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:52 pm

I'll check it out!

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 06, 2018 at 06:57 am

Tinfoil has been hacked! I use concrete now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:36 am

Hmmm. did you try putting the tin foil in the concrete?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:03 am

Tinfoil has been hacked! I use concrete now.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 06, 2018 at 05:26 pm

I’ve been a cement head for awhile now.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 06, 2018 at 09:39 am

Cory for your next article rather than a picture of a Packer or even worse Tom Brady can you post one of you wearing a tinfoil hat?

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Razer's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:01 am

Punt
Fumble
Punt
Downs
Punt

Pretty much says it all. Rodgers added that he needs to get the ball to Davante Adams more as a remedy to this stale offense so I guess we should add...

Sack

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:56 am

If you want a more balanced offensive attack with quicker throws the solution is simple- Dock McCarthy $1000 for every passing play he calls and Rodgers $1000 for every second he holds on to the ball.

Money talks.

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Pierre's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:41 pm

Rodgers does hold onto the ball way too long. Just saw the comparison with Brady and how quick he releases his passes. Puts a lot less pressure on his offensive line having to block each time for 4-5 seconds as Rodgers does. He only has 1 interception because he often waits until a receiver is wide open instead of putting the ball up for the receiver to make a football play...as MVS did last game. Or Rodgers will choose to just throw it out of bounds instead of trying to hit a receiver in stride with a step on the defender. He’s just barely and average QB with the way he’s playing this season completing only 55% of his passes. I’d be fine with trading him and moving on with Kuzer and Boyle then putting all that salary into building a great defense.

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:12 am

I've never agreed with Rodgers veiled criticisms and harping at McCarthy to the media and on TV. We all can be critical of McCarthy, but when he's your Head Coach you handle it like a mature adult behind closed doors.

Maybe McCarthy owes much of his success to Aaron Rodgers. But if he gets fired after this season, Rodgers will deserve some of the credit for that also.

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NickPerry's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:18 am

If we had an owner who would have fired Thompson then we would have had a GM who would have fired McCarthy. Big Mike should have been gone after 2014 or 2015 for sure. Instead we kept the same GM who kept the same HC. McCarthy's offense is stale and predictable. Aaron Jones is averaging 6.2 YPC and we throw on 3rd and 1. What's worse it's the same dame play call each and every time! McCarthy needs new wrinkles in his offense but the only wrinkles McCarthy can produce are the wrinkles on his ass.

This offense looks EXACTLY like it did in 2010. Sunday night there was no creativity. The Packers jogged out 11 personnel 90% of the time. Rodgers deserves plenty of criticism for his play and decision making this year. But he's also trying to drive a a Model T offense in the 21st century.

Those people I mentioned yesterday are right. The Packers HAVE "SQUANDERED" much of Rodgers career and the ONLY way to fix that is starting at the top. Fix that and I'll bet my last dollar were back to praising Rodgers like Saints fans are praising Brees.

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CoryJennerjohn's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:29 am

I agree 100%, that’s why I wrote earlier that the Packers should’ve cleaned house, including McCarthy, last year.

This team continues to spin its tires on offense and after eight games, the Packers have shaped up to be a mediocre and vanilla team.

It’s time to bring in an offensive coach that is willing to do anything to win a ballgame — as opposed to not changing anything because he’s a “highly successful football coach.”

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:41 am

I agree, but Rodgers has to be willing to hit open receivers on short passing plays regardless who's calling the plays.

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Razer's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:20 am

This is a key point. Rodgers bypasses a ton of underneath stuff in favor of the downfield targets. Teams count on him waiting for routes to develop. It is also why he has to scramble so often. As much as McCarthy is stale, Rodgers is stuck in an old pattern. He should go to the Drew Brees School of QB Evolution

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:49 am

He's gotten better. But he regresses for long stretches.

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4zone's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:08 am

Who exactly do we hire who is so offensively gifted and able to productively direct AR's massive ego?

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:17 am

Bruce Arians.

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4zone's picture

November 07, 2018 at 08:23 am

OK, I can see that for about 4 years.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:53 am

'This offense looks EXACTLY like it did in 2010. Sunday night there was no creativity. The Packers jogged out 11 personnel 90% of the time. Rodgers deserves plenty of criticism for his play and decision making this year. But he's also trying to drive a a Model T offense in the 21st century.'

Honestly, while they could use more creativity in the offense, the scheme is fine. If Rodgers makes the throws that are available and on time the offense looks much better. There are times WR's aren't open, but there are times where WR's are open and he holds onto it looking for a deep throw.

One play that really stands out his week was from his own end zone on 3rd down he throws it away about 10 yards over Cobb's head. He has MVS running across the field right about where the 1st down marker is (same side of the field as he throws it to Cobb so he has to see him). Get it to him let him make the play for the first down. If he doesn't get it at least it gives the punter 8-9 more yards to punt from. Its little things like that, that are missing with Rodgers. His decision making has not been great.
On another 3rd down he doesn't hand of to Williams who probably gets a first down and tries to get the first down himself. He doesn't get it and is lucky that his fumble goes out of bounds. He needs to trust other players to do their jobs.

Rodgers also needs to trust his guys to make plays even if they are 'covered'. Look at the throw he made to MVS down the right sideline. MVS comes back and over 2 defenders. Let him and St Brown go up and get this balls. Use their height. Trust them to make plays! Adams is another guy that can make plays when covered.

I would like to see some changes made to the offense. More motion would get the eyes of defenders looking elsewhere. Jet sweeps are a great way to get the LB's and S's eyes off of the RB, which can create openings for RB's.

That being said, Rodgers has to take what defense give him more!

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Demon's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:30 am

Rc, were you one of the in ted we trust crowd? If so how did that work out? The way you defend McDoughnuts seems eerily similar to the way all those clown defended TT.

The game has passed MM by. That along with his bullheaded ways and now he has lost his team. He needs to go!!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 09:59 am

You can blame McCarthy all you want.

The reality and truth is that Rodgers has not played consistently good enough. At least not to his normal level we are accustomed to seeing. He has held the ball, not taken what defense is giving them and waiting for bigger plays way to much. How many 3rd and short does he throw the ball deep. Sure it works once and a while but doesn't every time.

Follow some guys on twitter and you will see that the scheme as a whole is fine. Players are getting open more then they are getting credit for. There are times that they are not open, but there have been guys open that he either didn't throw for whatever reason.
Could the scheme/play calling be better? Sure. I'd love to see more motion and misdirection type of stuff.

Rodgers currently has his lowest completion percent of his career. His current completion percent this year is 60.6%. 4 of the 9 games this year he has been at 60% or lower. Since taking over as the starting QB in GB his lowest completion percent previously was 60.7% in 2015. His next lowest was his first year in 2008 at 63.6%. His career average is 64.8%.
Now some of it is due to him throwing the ball away more. But a lot of it is he has been off on his throws.
An example of an off target throw was on the 3rd and goal from the 15, they run the screen to Cobb. Rodgers throws it behind Cobb giving him no chance to run. If he throws it in front of him Cobb honestly has a chance to score. Its the little things that are off.

There have been lulls in games in which if he just takes what the defense gives him, they keep drives going. The offense has had way to many 3 and outs. The redzones they also have struggled in. A lot of it is off target throws. And how many times in the redzone has there been a 3rd and whatever yardage and Rodgers throws it incomplete into the end zone, rather then trying to get a first down? Seems like to many. Get the first down then get 3 shots into the end zone.
Not all of those issues are on Rodgers, but he is the one on the field with the ball in his hands. His decision making has to be better!

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Jonathan Spader's picture

November 06, 2018 at 09:46 am

RC when Aaron Nagler was watching the Packer game with Ryan Grant about halfway through the game Grant said something that summed up everything you've written "Rodgers just doesn't trust anything he sees". Yes he only has 1 interception but W/L is what counts in the NFL. We've seen conservative Aaron before and it's cost us games before. What we need is a little more gunslinger get the ball out faster.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:02 am

I didn't watch that.

I agree with Grant. You can see it.

I think some of it is from not playing most of last year, not playing in preseason, and then getting hurt in the first game. Which he hasn't been practicing as much. He needs reps with the guys. Its not just the rookies. Its Graham too.

I do think though we are slowly seeing him gaining trust though. He is making throws to MVS that proves he trusts him to go up and make a play. I expect more of it!

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November 06, 2018 at 10:32 am

That play with the overthrow to Cobb (video clip of it is in Ross Uglem's Upon Further Review) worked me up. It is a 3 man rush. There is no pressure. An LB comes on a delayed blitz but Bulaga is waiting there to meet that LB. AR is under no pressure. MVS is running a medium crosser. Easy to wait another tick. No idea what AR is thinking there. Cobb isn't going to beat McCourty on a go ever.

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November 06, 2018 at 10:55 am

That play looked like a throw away to me. Either that or he thought there was maybe a penalty there.

But either way he absolutely should have hit MVS. He is near the first down marker and could have made a play for the first down.

Those are the critical plays in the games that changes the field position and outcomes of games. In each game there have been a number of plays like this that Rodgers simply did not make.

Another one in that game. He has Adams for a TD if he throws it to the Corner. Instead he throws it to the sideline allowing the DB to catch up and make a play on the ball. To the Corner its a TD. Instead they settle for a FG.

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November 06, 2018 at 05:37 pm

"Allowing the DB to catch up" Iv'e noticed all of this year and the start of last that
Arron is throwing the timid . He's throwing the ball TO the receiver rather than AT the receiver . New guys waiting for the ball to get there . No trust .

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November 06, 2018 at 08:17 am

Didn’t we go to the championship game in 2016?

Listen....this stuff about a stale offense is nonsense. We’re like 5th in total offense. Defenses are not stopping us, we’re stopping ourselves. Turnovers, penalties, sacks, bad throws, dropped passes....Rodgers said as much in his presser and he’s right.

Squandered? Has New Orleans squandered Brees? Did Carolina squander Newton? There are several very good QBs in the league who haven’t been in the Championship game 3 times in seven years...have they all been squandered?

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November 06, 2018 at 04:41 pm

Aren't sacks,bad throws and turnovers caused by the defense.

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November 06, 2018 at 05:02 pm

We had no business being in the 2016 championship game. The Packers were routed 44-21, and the game wasn't even THAT close. Please, please, stop dredging up that game up to try to make some point, Old School. It's an absolutely horrible example.

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November 06, 2018 at 03:02 pm

majority of the passes attempted were streaks to MVS or Adams. Aaron is trying to do too much and go for the homerun at least 1 time every series. what happened to our quick slants? simple but effective positive yard plays? there has to be more behind all this . IMO anyways

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November 06, 2018 at 07:32 am

Rodgers simply has been off. I don't know what it is, I don't know if they know what it is. I believe its a combination of things. Injuries, which leads to lack of practice time. And I think there has been a difference of opinion between him and coaches..

I also think getting the big contract has gone to his head a bit. Meaning that he is thinking that he has to do more because of it. Simply he is pressing when he doesn't have to. He needs to trust his teammates more.

-Injury. I think there are more injuries then just his knee. His throws have been off. We see glimpses of the great throws but there are a lot of off throws that are off.
Obviously his lack of mobility has been hurting him. Not allowing him to practice and gain timing with the young WR's and Graham. He doesn't have the confidence in them even though he should.

Honestly overall the scheme and game plans have been fine. They have been good enough to win. There have been WR's open, and honestly a few of the receivers are open when they are covered. Rodgers needs to learn to trust them. He has to often not taken the underneath throws and waiting for something to come open deep.

Rodgers has been a bigger part of the problem on offense. Not all of it but a bigger part of it.

That all being said, he is also the 1 that can get it going too. We have seen glimpses of magic. The 4th quarters against the Bears and the 49ers. Had it not been for Montgomery who knows what happens against the Rams. And he was leading them to a 4th quarter, take the lead against the Patriots until Jones fumbled which lost every bit of momentum they had.

The offense is fixable and can still become a juggernaut. He has 2 legit threats at WR right now. He has a TE that is a threat. He has other WR's that can make plays. He has a RB that pretty much gains 6-7 yards every carry. It starts with Rodgers. Take what the defenses gives you, and take your shots when they are available. Maybe get into uptempo more. Get up to the LOS and snap the ball right away. Put pressure on defenses. The 2 minute offense has been great almost all year. Do it for 4 quarters.

I honestly do think the offense is going to get going. Just say its a gut feeling. If Rodgers practices Wednesday this week, I think it starts this week!

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November 06, 2018 at 09:12 am

AR is off, MM has his problems. but other than that.
good running game, fast and tall WR group, dependable TE. also a way better D.
AR has a way longer bad streak 2015-2016 over more than 10 games, if I recall it correctly? with the same problems, holding the ball forever, missed easy throws and did not trust his receivers (Jordy was out).
But what I do remember for sure was Corys Corner post just right in that bad streak where he called for trading AR and that his time was over.

Couple of days latter, AR made his "run the table" comment and played one of the best football of his life.

Never heard something of Coreys trading request ever again.
All he wrote about Rodgers from there was just completely different.

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November 06, 2018 at 09:56 am

RC......"Honestly overall the scheme and game plans have been fine"............what team are YOU watching????.........Packer's scheme and game plan has been GOD AWFUL!!!!!.......no variety, constant bone-headed moves, no discipline, at times, complete confusion.....TERRIBLE clock management.....the list seems to get larger every week.......

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fastmoving's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:22 am

man and even with all that crap we were in every game against the sb favorits at there home field.
if we correct just one thing we win the superbowl easily.

man, the siessies are in full force today. so sad, so sad.

but funny...….

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:34 am

What is god awful about the scheme?

If the scheme was god awful wouldn't we be getting blown out each and every week?

What are considered to be constant bone headed moves?

Lets sum up each game.
Week 1 - Rodgers makes the ultimate comeback
Week 2 - Packers have the game won except for an awful penalty on Mathews. Vikings tie up the game, Crosby then misses a 50+ yard GW Field goal.
Week 3 - They had I think 40 dropped passes in that game?
Week 4 - Win a shut out but offense still struggled.
Week 5 - Crosby has his worst game of his career. Lose by 12 I think Crosby missed 13 points worth of kicks?
Week 6 - They make another late comeback.
Week 8 - They have the lead against the only unbeaten team at the time in the 4th quarter. Rams score a FG to go up by 2. Packers get the ball back with 205 on the clock and Montgomery fumbles away any chance of a come back.
Week 9 - They are tied going into the 4th quarter and on the first play of the 4th quarter after a long drive that they have all the momentum Jones fumbles.

The last 2 weeks they are tied or leading against 2 super bowl favorites in the 4th quarter on the road.

So let me ask again. If the schemes are god awful, how are we in these games?
The offense has struggled but its been on execution. Throws are off target and not hitting open receivers. That has been the biggest issue.

Yes they can do different things with schemes but to me its more about execution then anything.

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Oppy's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:55 am

The dirty little truth that us Packers fans- "The League's Most Educated Fans"- don't like to admit is that very, very, very few of us have any real insight into the nuance and complexity of NFL play calling.

We don't understand the chess match that's going on out there. We have no clue. All we know is "We got yards on that play" or "We gave up yards on that play." That's why we love film review. It sheds some light on what the eff happened on Sunday.

Here's the rub- and I mean no disrespect to anyone who does this for our consumption (it is always greatly appreciated), but the vast majority of people who DO take the time to do film study of the Packers or any other team and "break down" the film for us, probably aren't qualified to assess all the nuance and "game within the game" strategy that goes on between the hashes during an NFL level game.. Because the vast majority are not people with pro level or even collegiate level coaching or play experience. Most are simply fan enthusiasts.. like you or me. More knowledgeable and devoted enthusiasts, defintely. But the gully is wide between that and pro evaluation.

People like to say, "it's just football, its not rocket science." Well, I'll tell you what. Listen to an offensive coordinator and a NFL QB discuss a single offensive play, in detail, the way THEY discuss the play, not the way they talk about it to US (Check out old Jon Gruden QB school videos for example). It becomes clear pretty quickly, there's more complexity in a given play than the overwhelming majority of us have any clue of.

That's just a single play. Imagine a game plan for a given opponent where you are building layers of calculated misdirection and set up via personnel, formation, tendency analysis, motion, etc.

But we're all very sure about how good or bad our scheme is, so long as we talk about it with vague inference.. Why? Because most of us don't really have a clue about what's really going on out there. Not like THEY do. Ex-D1 college players perhaps have a glimmer in my estimation.. but even then, the pro game is seemingly another beast.

We're all fans, I am not saying we shouldn't be vocal with our opinions regardless of our background. However, I do think it would be wise for all of us to really consider how much we really, truly understand about, as people like to quote, "What the hell is going on out there?!"

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November 06, 2018 at 07:05 pm

Oppy, that was very well said. I agree. You're certainly no "fastmoving", in terms of style and brevity, but kudos to you.

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Since'61's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:46 pm

Oppy - excellent post. John Madden has frequently told the story of when he was a young assistant coach and he attended a presentation Vince Lombardi made in the late sixties. Lombardi spoke for 8 hours about one play, the Packers Power Sweep. John Madden said "8 hours on one play. I realized that I didn't know anything."

Imagine where that leaves regular fans like us. Thanks, Since '61

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November 06, 2018 at 01:30 pm

Right on Big Cheez. Not sure how some people come to the conclusions that they do...

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November 06, 2018 at 01:44 pm

I am assuming you agree with Big Cheez.

So, perhaps you can explain what Big cheez has yet to explain. What has been god awful about the scheme and game plan?

What are the bone headed moves?

What list of stuff seems to get bigger each and every week?

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November 06, 2018 at 07:42 am

1. Rushing d almost non existant.
2. Pass d not getting turn overs. Allowing yards after catch.
3. Rushing game in effective at times. Coaching reflects too much of old time football. It's a passing game now.
4. Too many penalties. Dumb players cause dumb plays.
5 only Rodgers and some decent receivers are preventing this from being a dumpster fire

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Rick1's picture

November 06, 2018 at 07:51 am

MM struggles in adjusting his game plan. I think it is ego and clashing with 12. They aren’t putting team first this is Sherman and Farve relationship at the end of their time. Sherman never held 4 accountable and MM set the tone for his packers team and farve had a great year. Brady is team first because of BB. Gutekunst will change this At the end of the year because he has 12 and a good young core of players that are getting better every week. Bill Walsh said a coach usually last 10 years and then you should plan to make a change because the message starts to get old.

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November 06, 2018 at 08:06 am

I agree that Rodgers is definitely part of the problem as listed here.

Lets not forget that the right side of the OL is horrendous.

There is no RG and even when Bulaga was in he hasnt been better than mediocre all season.

When the OL gets shored up and Rodgers isnt dancing in the pocket and taking off within 2.5 seconds we will see improvement.

TT left a very poor OL legacy other than Bakh and Lindsley, and they were lucky shots in the dark from the middle rounds.

It all starts up front and we are woeful up front right now.

Go back and check the under pressure stats in the Packer games. Our offense struggles because we cannot block effectively up front and the running game is incidental due to the lack of reps. The yds per rush look good, but the run works because Defensive rush just blows in looking for Rodgers blood...

Because they can...

Its gonna be very ugly in Minny when we get there...

No help on the bench either, hence the Gute try at a waiver claim for an OG. Maybe Lucas Patrick would be a better run blocker than Bell or Justin McCray or Junius Coston or whoever has been at RG, but that would only help if MM actually ran the ball MORE.

This would also allow Rodgers to be MORE EFFECTIVE with LESS ACTUAL PASS ATTEMPTS!

What a concept.

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stockholder's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:23 am

Yes - Rebuild that offensive Line. These guys are back-ups, starting. Bulaga is done. I remember them moving guys just to get the best option on the field. It should have started 5 years ago. The coach isn't the problem the offensive line is. I use to see tackles and guards pull and be downfield. I see guys taking two steps and their done. The leaner offensive line stinks.

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Oppy's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:34 pm

I don't think you've seen too many pulling guards in the last 13 years.

Probably could count the number of plays featuring power run on your fingers and toes.. Slight exaggeration.. but not by much.

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November 07, 2018 at 02:29 am

McGinn used to chart how many times an OG, OC, or OT pulled and how much on average we gained on those plays. Per McGinn, during the 2015 season, Lang pulled 29 times for 129 yards; Sitton 18 for 70, Tretter 18 for 58, Bahk 7 times for just 6 yards, and Bulaga 3 times for 8 yards. (Yeah, I pulled this out my archived "interesting data" collection.)

Our local newspaper decided to save money and didn't mind the reduction in quality, in line with a continuing pattern it has. I assume McGinn still does this behind his pay wall.

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Oppy's picture

November 07, 2018 at 10:00 am

Do you know if those pulls include screen play?
Also, for reference.. how many total run snaps on the season?
Not asking you to do the research, just pointing to relevant accompanying data that frames the numbers.

Nice find!

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packergal's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:15 am

"...Bill Walsh said a coach usually last 10 years and then you should plan to make a change because the message starts to get old...."

Yes, it IS time for a HC change as many posters here have stated.

The HC change is timely because the 3-4-1 record, the recent AROD performance failures and his snipes against Coach MM are actually making the culture and by default the team productivity worse --game after game.

The lack of player discipline is evident in the situational mistakes made at key points in the game (keeping away from the punted ball; keeping away from the punter, taking the ball out of the end zone etc. )

Let's face reality. No One will fire QB1; therefore, the likely remedy is to shake up the culture in a different way: change the HC.

Finally, the comments here do not represent a slam against MM--he's been good for GB but it IS time to move on.

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stockholder's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:25 am

And have a losing record for the next decade. No Thanks!

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November 06, 2018 at 09:11 am

When it goes from good to bad. You need to look at it objectively and call it what it is. Infante to holmgren or Sherman to McCarthy they were the right decision and the team improved and won a title. When the two most important people 12 /MM on game day aren’t working together the Gm must fix HIS team. Every coach would love the chance to be coach of the packers and have 12 to lead the team. I believe it would rejuvenate 12 and be surrounded by young talented players gives the packers their best shot at a title. MM should finish the year and move on.

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November 06, 2018 at 10:45 am

I believe it would rejuvenate 12 . ( You Hope.) The new and old coaches that MM brought in should have done that. The younger players are needed. But let's not say it would rejuvenate them , when the opposite has happened. ( The Young do. ) Change in scenery can help too. But The GMs so far have avoided this offense. While dumping two all-pro guards and a damn good back-up in trotter We saw the points in preseason. It's more than MM. This team has shot it self in the foot. Exposing the failures of players not the coaches. The reason their after the play calling is because MM took it over. Relax the season isn't over by any means.

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Demon's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:50 am

Stockholder, Why would you assume that there would be a losing record for the next decade if MM were canned?

Do you consider MM a master game tactician? Not that I have seen.
Can you honestly say that he gets the most out of his personnel? Once again, not that I can see.
Is he a great motivator? Well, not really.
Is he good at identifying coaching talent and managing the staff correctly? NOPE.

So just what is it that MM brings to the table that makes you think he is irreplaceable?

MM is more Wayne Fontes than he is Bill Walsh. Dont let the door hit you in your ever-widening ass on the way out Mike!

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November 06, 2018 at 01:26 pm

Assumption.= No new coach has ever won a super-bowl in his first years Rebuilding. Giehart SF was the only person with a team intact. Master game Tech. No - It's been 5 years of drafting a defense that still can't stop anyone when needed. The offense should have re-loaded. TT had no business dumping all- pro Guards and expecting the replacements to be equal. I honestly believe he gets more out of the lower picks on offense, than any other coach. Motivation is not his forte! Coaching Talent? Look at the veteran TEs and others that can't make it. We relied on the draft his whole time as a coach! Management changed everyone over MM. And their to new to say they haven't made mistakes yet. MM cannot do things with the team if you have WRs that take 3 yrs. to learn the routes. The RBs cannot fumble! The lines to many penalties on big plays this year. MM is no genius. But NO new coach can lead this team in the right direction if they don't know what they need. TT didn't know what he needed for 8 years. He became a GM first. Not replacing Collins, Woodson,Wilins, and Bishop hurt. Then you had Raji moving with an aging Pickett and No one behind them. DTs are the most important position to winning! Capers and TT took the reins from MM on this. His Offense suffered. The re load never happened. Damn Right his a good coach. But like all good things, you don't know what you had until it's Gone.

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November 06, 2018 at 02:25 pm

Didnt gruden step in and win a superbowl with the bucs?

Jeff fisher was considered a very good coach. I personally thoughthe was below average at best. Look what happened when Fisher was shown the door. Do you think ram fans would like tohave him back?

That story has not been written yet. But the early signs are positive.

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Oppy's picture

November 06, 2018 at 08:20 am

"Granted the windows that he can place the ball is something that no other quarterback can do."

Well, if this is true, the issue is Rodgers also generally -declines- to put balls in windows that most other NFL starting QB's do on a play to play basis. With the exception of the occasional back-shoulder throw, Rodgers seems to be the most cautious QB in the league and has a need for a WR to be almost completely uncovered before releasing the ball.

The other thing is- while I agree in the past he HAS shown the ability to throw with uncanny accuracy, many of his throws on a down to down basis thus far in 2018 have been sub-optimal placement- thrown behind the target in dangerous proximity to a defender despite open field ahead of the receiver, too high, too low, breaking the reciever's stride.

Others have commented the last many weeks about Rodgers not stepping into his throws, not executing with sharp footwork. In years past it was revealed that Rodgers actually practiced making off-balance throws so that when it occasionally happened, he'd be better prepared to still make a decent throw. Between the lazy footwork and anti-practice sentiment Rodgers has displayed in 2018, I think he's simply starting to buy into his own hype. He doesn't think he needs to practice as much, and he doesn't execute proper footwork because he thinks he's just as good from any throwing position. What ends up on the field are passes that just aren't up to his standard or ability. What ends up on the field are average throws.

Rodgers used to have the ability to throw into the smallest windows seen in the NFL, on a regular basis, and he used to use that ability to sling rockets past defenders earholes in 4" square windows to awaiting receiver's hands, or drop a bomb perfectly over a WR's shoulder into his cradled arms in full stride in between 3 converging defenders. In 2018, Rodgers doesn't seem to be concerned with his mechanics and he generally doesn't throw the ball to a WR unless he's so open that the "window" is the size "barn door".

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November 06, 2018 at 08:27 am

I suggest people go back and watch condensed full games from Rodgers' prime- 2011, 2012, 2013- and isolate attention to the following things:

1) Time elapsed from snap to delivery
2) Throwing Mechanics, primarily footwork and body angle on delivery
3) Use of pocket vs. purposeful use of breaking the pocket
4) Tightness of coverage on intended targets when ball is released

Once you've watched 2 or 3, switch over to watching Rodgers from 2018.
Compare the same factors. Note any differences you see.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:24 am

"[AR] has a need for a WR to be almost completely uncovered before releasing the ball."

FTFY: unless he's throwing to Adams or Cobb.

I think your suggestion to watch some old condensed games 2011 or so and compare to today is a good one.

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November 06, 2018 at 11:02 am

Absolutely co-sign on the Adams/Cobb thing.

One of Rodgers' peculiarities is his excessive need to feel 100% trust in his WRs. It seems to have become a larger issue with the passing years. I understand with the nature of vertical offense*( (not referring to depth of passing, but the actual offensive system, also known as Air Coryell and/or the concepts that morphed into WCO) that the QB often has to throw the ball to a spot on the field before a WR makes his break, and that WR has to have read the defense on the fly and reacted the right way to ensure he's going to be at the right place on the field. So, I understand the desire for that trust.

However, it seems the level to which Rodgers takes it is beyond what most NFL QB's take it to. In my opinion, Rodgers does less with the tools at his disposal (the receivers) than any of the other top QBs in the league, and it's because he doesn't trust most of his WRs to make the play. I don't think Packers young WRs are any more or less prone to mistakes than those from any other program around the league. Rodgers just doesn't give them as many opportunities as other QBs seem to give similarly experienced receivers. I always remember a younger James Jones (who, admittedly, had focus/securing the catch issues at the time) saying, "Aaron is an amazingly talented QB who can make big plays, but we're (wrs) talented, too. Put the ball up and let us use our gifts to make plays." (or something to that effect.)

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November 06, 2018 at 02:01 pm

It seems like Rodgers expects to make throws to receivers that can read his mind and be in the perfect spot to catch it - ergo all the "trust" comments, and he doesn't adjust if the receiver isn't in the perfect place. It wasn't a problem when he had a group of talented experienced receivers, but he doesn't have that now, and hasn't adjusted. I saw a an article on packers wire about how he threw low to Kendricks because he "expected him to work back towards him" - instead of throwing it to where he was. I think he's so obsessed with his pristine TD/INT ratio that he requires "trust" at the expense of taking a slightly higher risk to throw the ball where the receiver needs it, not where he thinks it should be.

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:12 pm

If the idea of "trust" in his receivers was such a big issue with Rodgers, why doesn't he just throw it to the open receivers on the quick, short routes? That takes the trust factor out of the equation.

I do think trust is part of the problem for Aaron, but I think the bigger concern for him is he doesn't trust the ball to go where he's trying to throw it.

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November 06, 2018 at 02:41 pm

Even the quick, short routes can change in the blink of an eye post-snap, so trust is still a potential issue.

But yeah, I agree.. there's still an awful lot of Rodgers just wanting more than the defense is giving him. It's good to take deep shots here and there, but it does seem like he's been passing up "easy yards" for the last few years, far too often, always looking for the chunk play.

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November 06, 2018 at 02:39 pm

There is some need for trust due to the nature of the offense.

In a vertical offense, or west coast offense, the receiver doesn't just run a specific route. As the receiver is running the route, it can change into a number of -different- routes, depending on how the defense is covering him. It relies on the WR seeing and reading the defense, in real time, the same way the QB does. If they do not make the same read, the QB expects the WR to run one route, and the WR may be running a different route. Many of these throws require the QB to release the ball before the WR gets into his "break"- meaning, before he changes direction the last time and expects to find the ball waiting for him.

Often in these types of offenses, the QB needs to throw the ball to a point on the field, well before the WR has even turned around or made his final cut.

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November 07, 2018 at 02:50 am

You're on fire today, Oppy. James Jones in 2015 is the best example of the trust issue. James Jones really got very little separation for the most part in 2015 (that's why he was out of football in 2016). AR threw the ball to Jones into very very small windows because he trusted Jones to be where he was expected and to make the catch. 890 yards with a 17.8 yards/reception average and no team will sign the guy for the next season? Tells you all you need to know. Jones was no longer a good receiver (he was washed up) but AR trusted him.

The NFL is a passing league, and one with a hard cap. Teams get surplus value out of players on rookie deals. WR and QB salaries are skyrocketing. Needing 2 full seasons or more before a WR can function with AR does not compute. Something has to give.

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November 06, 2018 at 08:24 am

Oh so much to add, but will try to keep it simple. First the offense isn't at all like in 2010. Just because you use three receivers, doesn't mean it's the same offense. The routes are deeper now and YAC were much greater in 2010 because of the shorter passes allowed the receivers to run away from their man verses now. In fact I think Green Bay would be more effective to go the 2010 offense and see if they could get better YAC.

Rodgers is the problem, IMHO, with his play and his attitude. I think he has problems pushing off that back leg. He's a great QB and has found a way to compensate, but his throwing dynamics are off for him. So now he's a true WCO QB and needs to act like it. Shorter, quicker, throws and move the chains.

His attitude is different, and has been for the past couple of years. It's hard for me to describe, but you're not hearing R-E-L-A-X comments or run the table comments. Too much of, yeah our offense sucks now and hope it gets better type comments. It's a small thing, but when it's from Rodgers it infects the whole team.

I know many don't like MM. OK, who does Murphy get to replace him? Also, does that finish off Rodgers? It will take a year (usually, but not always) just to get Rodgers and the rest of the offense, acclimated to the new system. So changing coaches takes 1-2 more years away from Rodgers chasing the Lombardi trophy. Saying that, it also means Gutsy has to come up with 2 more very good drafts/FA signings.

So there are no shortcuts to turn the team around. If Murphy doesn't think MM can do it, he should change ASAP. Personally, I would make Pettine the HC if he makes the change, but I haven't slept in a HI-Express for awhile so what the heck do I know!

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November 06, 2018 at 09:03 am

Rodgers is becoming the Packers version of Jay Cutler...the only thing we're waiting for now is the INT,as we already have the low completion, the three and outs, the punt after punt, the miscues that's everyone else's fault, the pouting on the sideline, the pouting at the pressers and the losing...the simple losing of games that should have been won or expected to win and a road record of 38-41.....yup...we have a near complete version of Jay Cutler. All the excuses/reasons cannot change that unless the team makes changes fast.

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November 06, 2018 at 11:21 am

The Cutler comparison is real reach. Great click fodder for Cowherd, but little reality behind it.

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November 06, 2018 at 11:41 am

Cowherd didn't make the comparison...that's all me and I stand by it.

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November 06, 2018 at 12:33 pm

That's just ridiculous. Sure, Rodgers wears his emotions on his sleeve and he has an edge, unlike robot Tom Brady. Many former/current players have complimented his leadership abilities. Yes, he is having an off year, for Rodgers. He's on pace for 30/2 and 5k. Yes, his completion percentage/YPC is lower than normal and is reflected in his passer rating. Cutler had one (maybe two) years where he wasn't a liability.

Considerations: Injuries. Below average O-line play (look at last Sunday against NE's average D-line). MM's stale playbook and dreadful play-calling. Age?. Inexperienced WR's.

If I were him and I had to deal with years of awful general management, sub-par coaching and then some just gut wrenching losses, I'd be pissed too.

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November 06, 2018 at 07:41 pm

Its almost like Arod knows MM is almost done and he welcomes a change, to me, anyway.
I agree he does pout more lately than ever. I think it has something to do with MM firing his qb coach w/o Arods input. Or it could be all about Jordy, we might never know but this offense is struggling.

MM stubborn ways kept Capers waaay too long maybe Murphy stubborn ways are similar.

Packer fan since before the Ice Bowl. God I am old.

GO Pack Go.

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November 06, 2018 at 09:04 am

There are problems from top to bottom with this team. If it's any one person's fault its Murphy, because he's supposed to be in charge. But no one thing is going to fix this team.

It starts with the roster. I've never bought this as a rebuild year or a mini rebuild or anything like that. You don't sign jimmy Graham to a huge contract in a rebuild, it makes no sense at all. I think the people in charge thought this roster was ready to win. I know there was a lot to do, I know some moves were made, but more needed to be done. This roster has all the tools to be great next year, multiple high picks, lots of cap room, no huge extensions due, relatively few bad contracts. Hopefully gute is up to it.

It goes on to Mccarthy. He is the most stubborn coach I've ever seen. When is the last time he made an in game adjustment. He makes a plan pre game. If it works, it works. If not, he's not changing anything. He abandons what works, still calls the same plays as 2010, hasn't adopted anything. This team looks sloppy and unprepared far more often than not. It's not even close. This team is under 500 with Rodgers and does not look a whole lot different than it did with Hundley last year

It continues with Rodgers. To expect 2011 Rodgers isn't right. Brady is the exception, not the rule. But his talent is still clear. He obviously needs to play better. I can easily understand frustration, but you can't sign that deal unless you are 100 percent bought in to everything. I think he's the easiest fix, a little more talent around him and a better system and I think he looks like a top 3 qb instantly.

Were a sub 500 team half way through the year. Could have won one or 2 more, but it's scary how close we are to 1-7.

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November 06, 2018 at 10:15 am

Graham is nothing but a big puss.....shoulda kept Jordy.....Graham gets manhandled by secondary players literally 1/2 his size.....what a waste.....

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November 06, 2018 at 10:33 am

yeah, we should kept Bill Schroeder or at least trade for him today.

thanks god your just a small cheeze and even thats not a given….. but as a 5`5 guy I guess you know a lot about playin TE in the NFL

sometimes even TT looks like a genius.

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Oppy's picture

November 06, 2018 at 12:21 pm

BigCheeze:

Jordy's stat line 2018
25 Receptions // 353 Yards // 14.1 Average // 66 Long // 3 TD

If Jordy is kept, We probably never get Graham, The depth chart at WR is Jordy/Adams/Cobb/Allison, and the odds are Geronimo loses most of his play time (4th WR), while MVS (5) or EQ (6) may not even see the field in 2018.

Jimmy Graham
32 Rec // 425 Yds // 13.3 Avg // 54 Long // 2 TD

Geronimo Allison
20 Rec // 303 Yards // 15.2 Avg // 64 Long // 2 TD

MVS
17 Rec // 358 Yds //21.1 Avg // 60 Long // 2 TD

EQ
7 Rec // 143 Yds // 20.4 Avg // 54 Long // 0 TD

Are you certain we "shouda kept Jordy"?

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November 06, 2018 at 03:32 pm

Agreed. Jordy's absence has nothing to do with the offensive issues.

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Bert's picture

November 06, 2018 at 10:16 am

Having worked at various levels of management in a large corporation I know how important it is to present and maintain a unified front with your team. You may not always agree on the upper managers decisions but at the end of the day you have to swallow your personal opinions and move forward together. AR seems to have trouble doing that. I'm not a big MM fan and wish he would have been let go after last season but as of today he is still the HC. Not constructive at all for the team leader (AR) to not get behind his HC for the sake of the team. Just my opinion.

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November 06, 2018 at 10:39 am

This season is close to being lost. Like Aaron Nagler said in his chat yesterday, we need to win 6 or 7 out of our next 8. A very tall order to say the least. Will always back the Pack but I just don’t think we have enough talent as of now. We’ve been relatively injury free so far and the results speak for themselves. In fact, IMO I think we’re fortunate to be 3-4-1....With cap room and two 1st rounders, I’m confident Gutekunst can turn this around rather quickly. Go Pack!

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November 06, 2018 at 02:45 pm

I think when you look at the games we lost, and how we lost them.. it's unfortunate we're not 5-3 or even 6-2.

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Rick1's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:23 am

Question? If the packers lose right away in the playoffs is it a successful season? What if they improve but miss the playoffs and the coach is in the lame duck phase. If they lose to Miami does it change people’s mind. Green Bay is a steady well run franchise but they have a standard and structure that has kept them competitive on a yearly basis. What keeps MM job 9-6-1 or 10-5-1 or playoffs and he keeps his job.

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:37 am

Whatever the record, I see very little chance of McCarthy being HC in Green Bay next season. And may be by his own choice.

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Since'61's picture

November 06, 2018 at 03:09 pm

The Packers have two major factors for their struggles so far this season. The first is that the team is just not that good. Yes, they have their moments but the impact of numerous young players in starting roles, the lack of quality depth and in some positions quality starters (OLB and Safety) have been exposed by the teams that are actually good plus mistakes and penalties at key moments in games.

The second factor is that Rodgers just has not been as effective as he has been prior to his shoulder injury in 2017. He is playing and throwing in pain. I believe it is causing his poor throws and some of his poor decisions. To some degree he may be pressing to try to play up to his contract but his body it not letting him, at least not yet. Even when he runs he looks awkward and he made some awkward slides and falls during the Pats game. He still makes some great throws but that is probably adrenaline kicking in.

As I posted in another tread here yesterday, many of us believe that this team is still at least a year or two away. How this team responds over the next 3-5 weeks will tells us plenty about this team's future and MMs future. If they come around fine, if not we're moving on from MM. Thanks, Since '61

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Donster's picture

November 06, 2018 at 12:24 pm

Gute needs to work out a deal with Cleveland. Trading McCarthy to the Brownies for Emmanuel Ogbah, Myles Garrett, Christian Kirksey and Cleveland's first round draft pick for 2019.
:-D

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Lare's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:03 pm

I would agree with this, as long as the Packers demanded that Cleveland also take Zook, Philbin and Moss in the deal.

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packergal's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:14 pm

Regarding your comment that "Gute needs to work out a deal with Cleveland. Trading McCarthy to the Brownies for "...

If that's possible then YES, YES, YES AND YES.

Then, hire Pettine as interim after which AROD, coaching staff, and team final record are evaluated.

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4thand1's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:58 pm

Would like to know what Brady and Rodgers discussed after the game.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:58 pm

Aaron Rogers had not been very good. He knows it and he is pissed. I expect him to get better but we're running of games.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 06, 2018 at 02:59 pm

But, were running out of games. Sorry.

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Cubbygold's picture

November 06, 2018 at 03:13 pm

Wow whitehead released. Gute is definitely focused on 2019 and beyond

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bjkdad44's picture

November 06, 2018 at 05:23 pm

Just look at the play Tennessee scored on last night... the shovel pass... now THAT’S creativity!!

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