Mark "We're not Idiots" Murphy!!!!!

Mark Murphy's position is the only one that approves taht contract. Russ B and Brian G negotiated, very poorly IMO, but it doesn't happen if MM says it doesn't happen.
One other point, I disagree with the respected author:
"Rodgers negotiated the contract as such so . . . "
Rodgers didn't negotiate the contract. By definition, contracts need defined parties of authority on both sides.
ar12's team shot for the moon and hit it dead on. The GBPkrs team didn't negotiate at all. See above.
I do have a solution, which is actually pretty simple. If I'm correct, there is no "NO TRADE" clause in the contract.
Trade him to the worst team for him to succeed. Say the NYJets.
Offer to pay half the money in each remaining year. Get yourself a couple of decent players and maybe a 2nd round draft pick.
ar12's only out is to retire. At that point, I don't think we owe him anything?
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
If he takes the trade, your out from 1/2 the salary, all of the drama, all of the me first leadership and all of the problems stemming from what the coaches want to do and what the diva wants to do.
I couldn't be more done with him and I know I'm not alone.
I was his biggest fan until he totally turned into me first and only me version.
GPG!

“I will go to my grave believing Gutey has had little choice… and he probably cries himself to sleep thinking what COULD HAVE BEEN had they traded Rodgers.”

I agree, NP. And I actually feel the same way about MaLF, to be honest. He has his warts as a coach, but I’m still not certain we’ve ever seen his offense as he actually wants it to be run. I believe he and Gute made the Jordan Love decision together, I don’t think it was soley Gute’s decision to start preparing for the post-Rodgers future.

There may be some verrrry interesting interviews that come out once Rodgers, LaFleur and Gutekunst are all ex-Packers. We may learn that many things we assumed were the case were very different than we thought.

" I can think of 60 million reasons why Rodgers SHOULD do the same. Anything less and it tells me he's just here for the $$$."

This has been true throughout history: Give a man god-like powers and he'll act like a god.

It's just human nature.

Don’t forget about those plays where he throws to a receiver who is behind the line of scrimmage. Love those plays!

100%. Gute hasn't been perfect but he got screwed by an organization that couldn't pick a plan and stick with it. More than anything else, that's been the downfall of this team, not going all in and not rebuilding. Football purgatory

I was on the "Let the Love era begin" bandwagon, back in training camp, just prior to the big deal Rodgers got. I'm still on the "let the Love era begin" bandwagon. Now, we know we are going to get skewered in any cap discussions, from here on out, at least, for a few years. I also find the same fans who want Rodgers to return, next season, cannot see that we will get more of the same, from what he gave us last season. I see no improvement coming at all and if, if we were to make the post season, we would not get far, again. Has anyone noticed that our record, this year, is the same as the vikings record last year? And the vikings record, this year, was the same as our record last year? IMO, the vikings are a mediocre team, as we are quickly becoming. I also see that those fans wanting Rodgers to return may be some of the same fans who wanted Favre back, after his retirement antics. They are blind to the future and just want to hold on to something recognizable, even if it means we are mediocre. It's time to move on from Rodgers, let Love be our QB and sign some cheap rookie draftees and grow from there.

"Rodgers negotiated the contract as such so the Packers could not easily bail on him after one year. He wanted to control the decision on whether he plays in 2023 or not. And he has that power."

Packers can trade ACR if they are prepared to swallow ~40 mill $. Peter Bukowski explained how in his podcast "locked on packers" 5 days ago. I suggest to go and listen explanation of ACR contract and why it cost them that low when taking in consideration his 150 mill $ guaranteed.

"Diva views the Packers as a life-support system to get himself more individual awards."

As he has for the last five years, at least. There's no I in team, but there is one in DIVA.

I loved his comment "guys like Randall Cobb you can win with". He's delusional

He also said certain players have to be resigned. How can we do that with him eating up all the cap.

I heard that too...Almost choked on my morning coffee.

BUT, didn't he also say he doesn't have a "No-Trade" clause in his contract or least didn't think so. Once Carr's contract is off the books I believe the Raiders would have about $50 million in cap space and that's without doing any salary cap gymnastics like GB has done the last few seasons.

FIND a trade partner and trade him. The time for getting a HAUL for Rodgers was last year. GB fucked that up. They can still get something but would they do it?

If you ask ME a question about ME, I will give you an answer about ME. It’s called an interview. Inter-view.

I've already been preparing for 2024's January disappointment. Watching this offseason unfold is like watching a major car crash in slow motion.

Dereliction of duty= Mark Murphy

Yes - thank you. This is my hope as well but I am not getting a strong sense that Gutekunst is willing to take the steps. Totally agree on the offensive overhaul as well. I don't see the pieces on this squad to scare anyone. And for the love of God - let's get a real tight end.

Tea leaves from Tuesday's McAffee spot and Schefty's analysis of those comments points to the overhaul actually happening.

If NYJ trades for him, the Packers could once again find themselves in a very good position. I think the NY market would be well received by AR, and the team already has a very stout D. Seems to be symbiotic for both AR and the Packers.

Getting out from that contract would be a breath of fresh air, and that trade could provide a better haul than many might think.

There was a lot of careful talk going on during the McAffee spot. Schefter saying odds favor him playing with any other team than the Packers carries with it the possibility of a deal being imminent.

I know I'm ready, as are many here, to begin the changeover in earnest, ASAP.

That's my positive thought for this day, and no, my name is not Jack Handy.

In the end, Rodgers may just be the reason they get shit canned..

"The Lions GM had the balls and vision to trade Stafford and start the rebuild."

Ditto for Seattle as well. Both had the vision to move on from their franchise QB's at the right moment for the health and future of their respective teams. Now both teams have multiple 1st round picks and a healthy salary cap. And their futures look bright.

GB decided that wasn't the route to take. As a result, we're in salary cap hell for at least 2 more years with a soon to be 40yo QB who is showing signs of decline and, apparently, is more interested in competing for MVP's than Super Bowls.

That is management malfeasance to the nth degree.

"Rodgers has made monkeys out of management."

Finally, a point we can agree on, although Murphy was a willing monkey. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if MM has the onset of CTE.

"You can't win without him. And the FO knows it."

As this season has proven, you can't win WITH Rodgers. 8-9 is NOT a winning record, and we got lucky in at least three of those victories.

"Hey, Hey, we're the Monkeys! People say we monkey around!"

This is the same organization that kept trotting out Amari Rodgers week after week as a returner, that chose Newman as one of their starters to open the season, that kept Dean Lowry on the field until he was injured, that kept Darnell Savage in a starting role far too long, and kept playing Sammy Watkins. And that's just off the top of my head from this season. I'm sure it would be worse if I dug into it a bit and looked back at past seasons.

Jordan Love could be Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino all rolled into one and this staff would never see it.

Not a bad strategy, if Murphy were so inclined. Sadly, I don't think he wants Rodgers to be traded or retire, however, so the shitshow will go on the road for yet another season.

I highly doubt that Gutekunst wants to re-sign any of those guys, as they don't make any kind of football or financial sense.

I expect Ball to re-work a ton of contracts to re-sign them, on orders from above.

You are right and it would probably be the way things are done. Like Rodgers a little passive aggressive is "the way". I would keep Bakhtiari to help Love. Top left tackles are gold and, if he is beyond his knee surgery, then protect the blindside.

Yachtzee, Harry!
Yours is one of my favorite comments here, and you’re right. Ditching all of his buddies would without question made trading Aaron Rodgers a reality.

Maybe the news of such plans have already been relayed to him, hence his comments Tuesday, and Adam Schefter’s analysis that odds favor him playing for another team in 2023, instead of playing with the Packers.

Please, let it be so.

While many think he’s untradeable… there’s always that one team owner or coach who thinks they can reap benefits, and pull the trigger.

I hope it happens so we can start over minus the cap hell, even if paying a portion of his remaining contract is part of the deal.

I think the room needed Cobb as a player/coach. I think they should hire someone to be the coach. Him even, if he retires.

January disappointment again -
Rodgers has more power but isn't that what all players want? For some reason people just hate it more that its Rodgers that has the power.

Draft football players -
Whatever GB did last year, they need to duplicate it. Walker, Wyatt, Watson, Doubs, Tom, Enagbare all contributed. And not only contributed, they all played really well. This was possibly the Packers best draft class in a really long time. They need to do this again.

Very funny Gutey - Or is it?
3 years of very good football, one down year, in which the offense had 2 rookies playing key roles, the OL in shambles for half the year. Why wouldn't we want to try and go for it again? Why should we want to blow it all up?

Bisaccia -
Its amazing what a difference an explosive return man can make for a unit. It seems like when Nixon started flashing the special teams flipped a switch. Teams all around was playing much better.

Need a vet WR -
I agree that they will likely be looking for a veteran WR. But hopefully its someone that will contribute more then Watkins did.

Jerry Gray -
"Why did he wait that long to react?" Great question. I wonder if he felt like he didn't have a voice. And the Dolphins game he finally had it. That amount of times he would refer to Barry about questions, to me makes it feel like he didn't get to have a lot of say in what was going on. This is just the feeling I get from the situation.

Mason Crosby -
From what I have heard this was Crosby's last year. I just appreciate everything that he has done for the team. Outside of the one year he had a bad year, he has been clutch since he has been here.

Coaches grow on trees -
This is pretty fair evaluation. The interesting one on the list is Zac Taylor. He was close to being cut and now because of Burrow he is looked at differently.

Al!! How can Matt L. be 2-4 in the postseason? Are you counting the week 18 Lions' game? I know math isn't my strong suit, but he went to the playoffs his first three years. Can't you only lose once a year? LOL.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If the Packers don't get away from the finesse/cute/trick play culture and start to get tough, it won't matter who the QB is. If the opposing D dictates what you're going to do, they win.

Look at the successful playoff teams just this year. If you don't start by building from your O and D lines (TEs and edge included) you're going in the wrong direction.

I still say Aaron Rodgers carried MLF for three seasons ( with Davante) As soon as Rodgers cooled, MLF fell apart. His lines are soft, his players are undisciplined. His W-L record is trending in the wrong direction. His once sterling NFC North record is in decline.
Picking Bisaccia was a no brainer.. I’m not giving too much credit for that. Too bad it wasn’t a no brainer to grab Martindale or Fangio.
I remember the false hope in the 80s after a few 8-8 seasons. If there is hope now I don’t know what it’s based on.
The salary cap gamble is looking like a big mistake because I have my doubts about the abilities of Doubs and whoever else will be out there. Watson has ability but still has questionable hands and is fragile to be kind.
Crosby has to go. Period for all the reasons you mentioned.
Quay Walker made me embarrassed to be a Packer fan several times this year. I don’t know what kind of defense will be on the field in 23 but I doubt it will dominate any lines of scrimmage.
Rodgers may very well end up somewhere that he can prove he can still win with a good cast and staff. Maybe the NYJ who play hard on every down but needed a QB1.
This is one of the first times I had the feeling things aren’t getting better in a while. I think a wildcard is easily attainable in the NFC next year but I honestly think that this team will have to be lucky to get it.
The little winning streak this year was suspect and overrated. Tua’s concussion kept the Packers alive until week 18.
I don’t know why the board of directors don’t start over from scratch. It’s the perfect time. Get a confident smart GM and a coaching staff that pushes the envelope on mental and physical toughness. The final game in each of the last three seasons is a microcosm of everything they do wrong in terms of toughness and keeping the wrong people employed too long. ( Drayton, Kevin King) They even brought Kevin King back the following season after the Tampa debacle.
The culture needs to change.
We are starting to become that franchise that other teams mark as a W on their schedule.

So Now What? The beat goes on.

The Green Bay Packers Board of Directors is the organization that serves as the owner of record for the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League (NFL).

The corporation is governed by a seven-member executive committee, elected from among the board of directors. The committee directs corporate management, approves major capital expenditures, establishes board policy, and monitors performance of management in conducting the business and affairs of the corporation.
The elected president, currently Mark H. Murphy, represents the corporation at NFL owners meetings and other league functions. The president is the only officer who receives compensation. The balance of the committee sits gratis.

Shareholder rights
Even though it is referred to as "common stock" in corporate offering documents, a share of Packers stock does not share the same rights traditionally associated with common or preferred stock. It does not include an equity interest, does not pay dividends, cannot be traded, and has no protection under securities law. It also confers no season-ticket purchasing privileges. Shareholders receive nothing more than voting rights, an invitation to the corporation's annual meeting, and an opportunity to purchase exclusive shareholder-only merchandise.
Shares cannot be resold, except back to the team for a fraction of the original price. While new shares can be given as gifts, transfers are technically allowed only between immediate family members once ownership has been established.

I posted the above paragraphs because they are excerpts from the Packers official business filings. I thought that it was curious that none of the above mention Football or winning championships, or anything specific to the football organization. I included the Shareholder rights because that paragraph points out how little value our shares actually worth or how little they mean to the organization except as a means to raise capital for the organization.

Take this down to Murphy's level and we can see why the beat goes on and will go on while he remains President of the organization.

Gute is often portrayed as a victim who intended to build the Packers for the future but I'm not so sure. Why? As Murphy proceeded down the path of securing his legacy with the Title town District and his "shareholder sales", he probably included Gute in his succession plan to become Packer President when Murphy retires. Ball is probably on track to succeed Gute as GM. MLF has been hired as the perfect yes man to unknowingly go along with the plot and Rodgers is re-signed to be the face of it all while being a very well paid agitator.

Strategic success is dependent upon strategic alignment. In the case of the Packers Strategic alignment means alignment with Murphy's plan to reach retirement with a legacy versus a plan to win championships. The Packers will remain competitive and may still reach the playoffs in '23 or '24 but we're not going to see real change until 2025 or unless the on field results become catastrophic very quickly which is unlikely over the next 2 seasons.

Ironically enough the one person who could provide the Packers with at least the beginning of the way out of all of this is Aaron Rodgers. If he retires Murphy loses his 'front man". The face of the franchise has become Murphy's face of keeping the beat going until 2025. Rodgers knows the deal. So he meets with the Gute, Ball and Murphy and says "if you want me to stay keep the band together. If not I''ll retire and you guys are on your own." So Murphy tells his minions "make it so I still have 2 years to go." The beat goes on. Where is MLF or MLC in all of this. He's left twisting in the wind with his pathetic coaching hires, his billboard play calling card and his wings flapping to the fans. He goes along or he's gone.

There is no accountability because there are no decisions to be accountable for. Only MLF is expendable because "we kept Rodgers, we have the highest paid players in the league at numerous positions and we let you hire the coaches of your choice and yet you still can't win." That's the deal. That's where we're at as fans and stockholders. As for the fans, keep watching, but more importantly keep paying because we're keeping the band together for your enjoyment.

Remember Bob Harlan separated the business silo from the football silo so that there would no confusion over who was making the football decisions. Murphy ended that structure and he "Crossed the streams." In doing so we now have a version of the Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man as our HC. "Never cross the streams." Now The question is "Who we're gonna call?" Thanks, Since '61

Bravo. It seems you've seen this story before; some place hidden between the NY Post and Wall Street Journal. This dysfunction germinated from the 2017 chaos with Ted's health issues and the draft which gave us King vs. TJ Watt and Gutedkunst's guy Josh Jones--epic failure, as the skateboarders say. Then the 2018 coup and as you suggest, the Mutual Admiration Society embrace each other with the secret handshake, forming the Silage Committee. You placed suspicion and incisive queries regarding the LaFleur hiring process, placing spotlights on the problem, day one. Rodgers is smart enough to understand the machinations from the Country Club. Yes, the Rubicon allegory. Right out of "Boy's Life."

'61, you contribute so many thoughtful, quality posts, and this is one of your best. Whether it's silos to silage or paradigm shifts, I can't help but see the BOD heads nod in unison as Murphy sells moving forward with the work with due diligence to deliver results that endure. Just look at The Hill, ffs, and the toilets at Lodge Kohler! Have you seem the giant championship rings? Results!

I also think you're spot on with the succession plan. As the Packers became more corporate, they became, well, more corporate. It's still Green Bay, though, and you can't upset the Martha Circle at Our Savior's Lutheran, or go bringing in some grifter who *looks* different than the locals even if they gots skillz. So, the call will be a local call when it's made, and the beat will go on.

Call Ghostbusters!

I think they're on par with Tampa and maybe the Vikings. Oh, you meant this weekends' winners.

Even if we had a TE who commanded respect in the middle of the fi8eld, AR wouldn't throw it to him. In this case, past performance IS indicative of future results.

AR's delusional if he thinks he played at a high level this past season. He's a little above average (passer rating wise) at this point.

Daboll is a Belichick/Saban desciple.

Wait the announcement about ACR will play another season. Than, in the beginning of September this season starts new 70' and 80'.

Also, I would support you to join Packers scouting team with special task to chose future QBs, so that instead of 20 dark seasons we all can enjoy 30, or 40 dark seasons.

Why did you capitalize EDGE?

Does it stand for Evasive Defensive Grabbing Emu?

If Tonyan will sign a one year prove it deal, I'm down with that.

Not down with WR in the 1st round, but am totally all in on Andre Carter II as our pick at OLBer. He drops in coverage unlike any OLBer I've ever seen. It seems he has an uncanny ability to strip the ball when within 10' of the opposing QB. (He routinely has strip/sacks.)

Watching the film, he must have very heavy hands, because the ball almost always comes out.

Loved his interviews. I won't hold his playing for "ARMY" against him and this kid should be #1 on Gutey's hit list come the end of April!

First class kid, wicked ability to drop and cover, uncanny ability to get the ball out when near the QB seems like a recipe to survive what is Joe Berry...