Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Progress!

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Yes, the Packers beat a team starting their backup quarterback. But so what? Were the Rams a team they should have beat? Yes. Did they do so? Yes. Did they do that against the Raiders or the Broncos while coming out of the bye week? No. Winning this game, whether it was beautiful or ugly, whatever the status of the opponent, was progress.

It was great to see the players' attitudes in this game. You couldn't have blamed them if they came out feeling sorry for themselves in the midst of a losing streak and one of their most popular teammates getting traded. Instead, they came to play and what was great to see was how they supported each other when something didn't go right. You saw how they supported WIcks after his fumble - no one was going to let him sulk by himself on the bench. These guys came together a bit as a team in this game. That's progress.

Coach LaFleur finally did more than just talk the talk, he walked the walk and actually made Aaron Jones a key component of the game plan. It doesn't take a football savant to see how much better this offense operates when Jones is allowed to carry the rock. LaFleur finally did it. That's progress.

Some young players stepped up in this game, showing signs that maybe the Packers ARE developing these guys after all? I've had my doubts, but what you saw from Wicks, Valentine, McDuffie, Rhyan, Johnson, Brooks, Wyatt and others gives us a glimmer of hope that the future will indeed be brighter.

Seemed like Jaire Alexander was allowed to be himself this game, which entails some freelancing. He impacted the game probably for the first time this season. That's progress.

Beyond Jaire, the defense in general played a much more physical game. As LaFleur said when asked what the key was to the defense getting big stops, they "challenged" the offense. Translation, they didn't sit back and play it safe all game. That's progress.

The offensive line looked much more cohesive than they have all year, especially in the run game. Throw out the ridiculous offsides penalties and the bogus holding call on Runyan, they controlled the Rams front, including keeping all-world DL Aaron Donald in check for the majority of the game. That's progress.

There was only one WR drop in this game. That's progress.

Christian Watson had a really strong game - as a blocker, He took out various Rams players over the course of the game, but none more important than on the Aaron Jones TD. In the blocking department, he's made good progress.

Love played a good game. Not great, but not bad either. He made some good decisions and did well completing intermediate range passes. The deep ball is still an issue, and I wonder if the Packers did him no favors this offseason in encouraging him to put more air under his long throws. I don't see progress there,

Now, we have to take these signs of progress with a grain of salt. Progress is great, but it means nothing if you revert back to what you were doing wrong. Last Sunday was a step in the right direction, but the team needs to keep moving in the same direction. Whether they do remains to be seen. 

 

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Cheezehead72's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:22 am

I agree Al this was a better game from the Packers than we have seen. The defense should have a good game against a not so good back up QB but what was the very good is they held them to 3 points. That is hard to do in this offensive league and after trading a very good DB.

The offense looked good against a stout defense. They seemed to be doing everything better. This was a step in the right direction. Now lets see what this offense can do against a team with a better defense this Sunday. The defense will be challenged in the run game so lets see if they can stop it.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:00 am

Statistically, the Rams defense looks a lot like the Packers' defense. That doesn't mean they play like the Packers' D, but they're alike in most categories. I think the Aaron Donald point is a good one because the Packers have struggled against "game-wrecker" front 7 defenders this season, and while Donald was certainly visible and made some plays, he didn't "Max Crosby" the Packers.

The bar goes up a little on Sunday with TJ Watt and a Pittsburgh defense that is statistically underwhelming, and susceptible to the run, but gets after the passer. Watt can be a game-wrecker.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:53 pm

Yup, Rams defense is average, not stout. Which is surprising considering Aaron Donald. Sean Rhyan held up against him, even if that was only while double teaming him. He and Zach Tom basically carried him away from one play, lol.

I would not place TJ Watt as individually better than Aaron Donald, but the Steelers defense as a whole, yes. Hopefully they're cooking up an effective game plan ...

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NickPerry's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:26 am

"Coach LaFleur finally did more than just talk the talk, he walked the walk and actually made Aaron Jones a key component of the game plan. It doesn't take a football savant to see how much better this offense operates when Jones is allowed to carry the rock. LaFleur finally did it. That's progress."

You're right Al, it doesn't take a football savant to see how much better this offense is with Jones heavily involved. I really hope this is the case moving forward too. As long as Jones is healthy, he should have a minimum of 20 touches a game. THAT will give the Packers their best chance to win.

My concern is we've all heard this 100 times since MLF was hired. HE himself has said it, 'We have to get Jones more involved'. The problem is we only to see him get 7-10 touches the next game and they lose. Then at the press conference after the game, there's MLF scratching his head telling everybody still listening he's got to do a better job of getting Jones the ball. ...UGH!!! It's like a merry-go-round and I'm not getting on until we see it on a consistent basis.

Like Al said in his last Paragraph... We have to take it with a grain of salt...Well, I have my salt shaker ready. Sorry folks, I NO longer trust or believe in Matt LaFleur or his staff of who in the hell are you assistants....All except for Bisaccia that is.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:47 am

Won't it be interesting to see how aggressive they come out against the Steelers?

I hope the Rams were just a warmup for this game because the Steelers might be a little more aggressive than the Rams. HA!

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:29 am

I want a bit more of the two back set with Dillon as lead blocker. We can run or pass out of that set as both RBs can catch.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:58 am

Wouldn't mind them even mixing Wilson in there with one or the other where they usually use Dagara, except he might not be close to him in blocking. But as a receiving and running threat he might cause the D to have to account for him negating the blocking deficiency to an extent.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:56 pm

Pete,

33 and 28 complement each other well, especially when they're on the field at the same time. It's harder to defend.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:04 am

"The problem is we only to see him get 7-10 touches the next game and they lose. "

I think in the 2020s NFL most play-callers can't help themselves: they gotta throw the football. They have no faith in the run game, and when games are tight or when the table starts to tilt, most play-callers seem to abandon the run way too quickly. It's a pervasive thing in the league.

That said, I think McCarthy had it right when he said chunk plays win games. It sure seems to hold up...and it's easier to generate chunk plays throwing the ball.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:59 pm

Chunk plays are only good if they work. The MVS role stretches the defense, and helps even if he's not targeted. JL should try deep throws only when somebody's actually open, not trying to thread needles from a mile away.

I'd love to see both RBs and three deep routes; try to defend THAT.

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mnbadger's picture

November 08, 2023 at 12:01 pm

It means nothing if the progress and growth stops last Sunday vs the Rams.
We must continue to "stack" success and "build on" the past performance.
That's my version of coach speak for "Don't take two blanking steps backwards this week!"
Pack 20 - aluminers 16.
GPG!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:02 pm

Even facetiously, we can't predict more than 20 points on offense.

How 'bout 38? And starting in the first quarter? JL's stats were better, but he still missed layups and still started slow. He, personally, needs to start with his hair on fire ...

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Packer_Fan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 12:23 pm

Most of the changes were coaching direction and philosophy. If that continues to happen, we have a chance at more improvement and wins. We will find out next Sunday

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:03 pm

Coaches also have to teach fundamentals.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:33 am

Yes, they passed the eye test and took a step forward against the Rams. To pass the physical test, it has to continue.

To improve, they need to keep testing themselves, not let other teams decide what the test is and administer it. Test the other team and it will be less of a test for themselves.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:04 pm

Our WRs need to get testy about the ball being THEIRS!

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Since'61's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:54 am

Finally there were some positives in the game against the Rams. Hopefully the Packers can stack some success from this game as they move on to face the Steelers this week. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Savage57's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:55 am

Progress was a great theme for the article, Al.

They did what was needed to defeat their opponent, regardless of the circumstances or conditions surrounding both teams. That was a needed affirmation after letting a couple of winnable games slip away this season. They passed another test.

Now they'll need to take another step in their progression and defeat a team at home in a game they're expected to lose. How this plays out and what we see from the team this coming Sunday will give us an indication if at the halfway point of the season, they're finding their stride and can muster whatever's needed to overcome whatever adversity presents itself during the course of a game.

And pass another test.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:06 pm

"Finding their stride"

Those words are magic! JL hitting targets in stride would make all the difference in the world ...

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:05 am

...It was great to see the players' attitudes in this game...

I too was grateful for the effort and enthusiasm shown by the Packers. I feared that the Douglas trade would have a wet rag affect on the team, especially the defense. The guys stepped up and supported each other like teammates should.

Lot of guys played well particularly for their experience level. But I will say that both lines did their job and that translated in controlling the tempo of this game. If the trench keeps improving we have a foundation. Losing Clark will hurt.

As Al said "we beat a team we should have beat" and that is progress. Tougher part of the schedule coming but that shouldn't keep the boys from making plays and keep improving. I hope that the coaches can do the same.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:35 am

Don't you think that the trenches were really the only difference between the losses and the Rams?

It ALL starts in the trenches. That allowed the "skill" guys to do their thing.

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:06 am

Exactly - it all starts in the trenches.

If there is something that I want changed in this front office it is better drafting of our big men. We have been chronically weak on our D-line and that needs to change. Similarly, we need better talent on the O-line. Browsing the bottom of the draft for guards or converting tackles isn't working. If it wasn't for Aaron Jones we wouldn't have a run game at all.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:13 am

I think the fact that they had some success and found a few gems in the past converting tackles to IOL has led to an overconfidence that they can do it with just about anyone. It's a slower process compared to drafting plug-and-play IOL, where the commodity is better known.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:23 am

Runyon has got steadily worse in the run game. He was decent, starter level early, and a plus in pass pro. Now he’s definitely not decent in the run game.

Is that losing Linsley?

Is the combination of him and Myers multiplying the weakness of both (my firm belief is that this is a factor)?

Is it that, from game to game, Myers or Runyon gets the blame disproportionately for the other? Certainly their ratings seem to seesaw.

Is he just carrying an injury that we do not know about?

Or, is it a technical issue resulting from coaching and using him unrealistically against his strengths/type (as Mark Wahle has often asserted)?

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:19 am

Remember that Runyan started on the left side when Jenkins went to LT before getting hurt. They moved him to the right side when Jenkins got healthy and moved back to LG. My assertion is that it's possible he's just better on the left. Not great, but better.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:38 am

It’s possible, though LG to RG isn’t usually that much if a career issue long term. That assumes though that he hasn’t continued to decline after the switch. I would say it looks like he has?

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:51 am

He went 2 seasons with only one total penalty. Now he's getting them every game along with Myers. Tells me they're over stressed or being outmatched (or both). But as to which is the real problem (chicken or the egg) notice that it seems Jenkins has regressed too and got called for holding against the Rams also.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:16 am

...or that teams have stopped isolating and attacking the Packers' tackles and are attacking the G-C gaps. It might be saying the same thing, though (stressed/outmatched).

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:56 am

Dobber, I have wondered this as well. Some guys just naturally fit in one side over the other.

Its partly why I am wondering why they didn't have Yosh go to LT right away. That he was purely playing RT, and it took him longer to get his footwork right on the left side. Just a side thought.

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LLCHESTY's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:28 pm

I don't see the point in resigning him. I think you could sign a FA G with an extra $1-2 million a year and have much better situation. But 1st they need to find out what the have in Rhyan so he needs to start a few games. Definitely have to draft a T and C so signing a vet at G makes sense with all the other holes and it's a good spot to get competence cheaper than a lot of other positions.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:08 pm

Very much agreed! Unless you want the QB to try seeing over somebody 6'7" +

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:10 pm

Razer,

I think the talent of our linemen is fine for the most part. Getting beat is due to bad footwork, at least on the O line. That's coaching at this point, send Butkus back to Chicago.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:10 am

I suspect that a message was sent this week with Rhyan and Nijman, and that jobs weren't safe. I don't think Rhyan getting snaps was a knee-jerk reaction...I suspect they were ready to give him a look.

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Guam's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:38 am

"I suspect that a message was sent this week....."

Long overdue!

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crayzpackfan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:23 am

Was it a message or just a sticky note? Hopefully a message. Something this coaching staff rarely sends.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:57 am

No matter what it was, Rhyan and Yosh played well when they were playing. So others need to pay attention because they are ready to go.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:12 am

Yes, progress is key this year.

I have said all along that wins/losses is not that important this year but seeing if Love is 'the man' for the Packers. He showed me a lot this last game and hopefully before the season ends, the FO sees enough to know if he is our leader into the future. We don't want/need a so so QB as this is such an important position for every NFL team.

If it is determined that Love is 'the man', then great. We can invest in a stud receiver and OT/OG or probably both in the next draft.

Also, we are hoping that the WR's that we have are the answer. That jury is still out. So not only do we need to see if Love is the answer but we also need to see how strong we are at WR.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:39 am

In order for him to be the "Man", all he needs to be is a person with a complete team around him that's allowed to play and continues to play aggressively.

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:11 am

...If it is determined that Love is 'the man', then great. We can invest in a stud receiver and OT/OG or probably both in the next draft...

Regardless, we need better interior line play. I would like to see another stud RB added to this squad. Jones may not make another year (contract) and Dillion isn't the answer.

Like you, I am hoping that we have enough invested at WR and TE to avoid more picks being sent that way. Give them the year to develop with Love - fingers crossed.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:15 am

If a world-beater WR falls into your lap, I don't have a problem taking him. Most teams aren't afraid to stockpile skill position talent.

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:49 am

Absolutely! Having a solid stock of WR and TEs gives us the flexibility to wait for those draft opportunities

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:54 am

Yes, a certainty, as Watson is injury prone. He could develop and that would be great, but at this point we need a college stud or a veteran. LT is another key position that could be an important need. We should have cap space and draft picks to fill these needs, plus a good S.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:20 pm

Pete,

cap space? No.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:49 am

Well we just spent 6 picks at WR in the last two drafts. There are many other needs as well, including both lines, maybe both safety positions,RB, and depth everywhere. It's hard to imagine taking a WR upper rounds of the draft when there are so many holes C, G, T, defensive line, etc.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:21 pm

You don't pass on Marvin Harrison Jr if he's available.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:04 am

Razer, I have thought that we need a stud RB as well such as a Blake Corum of Michigan!

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:01 am

I had high hope for Nichols until his injury. Wilson has shown some sparks.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:19 pm

Razer,

RB Goodson Nichols and #31 Wilson. How much talent are they going to squander?

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 05:30 pm

Goodson might have helped, but without protection skills he’d need to have taken snaps from a WR probably as an option player to get on the field. Nichols had stone hands. Sadly these days that’s a death sentence unless you are all world. Wilson is just a classic case of a non anointed player having to hope for injuries to get a real shot to prove himself regardless of performance.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:14 am

"Yes, progress is key this year."

The fan base tends to want immediate resulst and is way less tolerant of a slower road....

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HawkPacker's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:06 am

True dobber. My thought is that if we get a chance to get a 'difference maker' no matter the position, we need to gobble him up. Even if this position is a somewhat strong position for us.

In the long run, if we have difference makers at a few different positions, I believe it improves our chances to make the playoffs and possibly a return to the SB!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:23 pm

I'm very tolerant of a slow road that includes PROGRESS. Until last week all I saw was regress, and of a sort that reeks of incompetent coaching.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:17 pm

I believe in all 8 of our WRs, but Marvin Harrison Jr is somebody you simply DO NOT pass on if he's available. Also, I don't see OT as a position of need with Yosh Walker and Mt Caleb on the roster. Interior O line, yes.

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LLCHESTY's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:31 pm

Yosh is a FA after this year and the other two don't give anyone the warm fuzzies. I don't think it necessarily has to be in the 1st but one of those 1st three picks should be an OT.

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GregC's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:15 am

All good things, although Aaron Jones being a big part of the game plan was due to him being fully recovered from his injury rather than a change in coaching philosophy. Coaches look smarter when their star players are healthy. I wonder if improved health was the reason that Jaire Alexander looked so much better too.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:28 am

GregC, from what I have read, JA stated that this is the best he has felt in awhile so yer improved health was the reason he looked better. That only makes sense. Football is a tough sport.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:14 am

I thought there were two factors the previous week. One was the coverages, but, in this case, the real difference seemed to be agility.

So primarily injury recovery aided by the fact we played 8 in the box under 10% of the time, a real outlier, and thus let him play as he plays best (Valentine too).

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:18 am

I'd like to see a count for how many defensive snaps were played in zone and how many in man coverage, and how those numbers play out over the remainder of the season compared to the first half of the season. Douglas had a reputation for being a zone CB--and the Packers seemed to struggle with Stokes and others in zone--but just about all the other CBs were profiled as man CBs.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:33 am

In Jaire’s case I think it’s less man versus zone than off verses tight, aggressive coverage of the man or route respectively. Douglas was very good at anticipation and reaction.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:21 am

Douglas was best facing the QB. I think that's why so many people wanted him to play S.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:40 am

He was. I still wonder why we avoided trying that.

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:10 am

I believe a speed factor. We have many players that play close to the line, but are still lacking that speedy ball hawking center field FS. Savage has speed, but his reads to the ball are slow.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:19 am

I think you hit on the key factor for a S, and that's instincts and recognition. The difference between 4.6 (Douglas) and 4.3 (Savage) looks huge on a stopwatch, but is only a step or two on the field for most plays. You can make that up if you know where the runner is going to be or where the pass is going.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:13 pm

Micah Hyde being a classic example. There’s a reason why some great CBs moved to S, notably Woodson as they aged. Safety is all about diagnosing and reacting and getting to the right place, it’s not raw speed, but how fast you arrive, the angle you come in with. Speed helps, but feel is the key. Collins was a great illustration, the speed wasn’t leading to much good till he clicked and became able to read the plays. Then he changed dramatically almost overnight.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 08, 2023 at 04:53 pm

man, Collins was on the cusp of hall of fame credentials. Ted just couldn't figure out a way to replace him.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 05:35 pm

That was a huge loss. For 3 seasons though, many here thought him a bust. It’s perhaps the clearest example of it suddenly clicking for a player and suddenly unleashing talent I recall.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:25 pm

Greg,

MLF has previously failed to give #33 significant touches for several weeks in a row, when he kept saying he needed to give him the ball more.

It's pure incompetence. The man is not an NFL level coach. At least not with this young roster.

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Packerfansupreme's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:30 am

"Christian Watson had a really strong game - as a blocker, He took out various Rams players over the course of the game, but none more important than on the Aaron Jones TD. In the blocking department, he's made good progress."

Wish he could stay healthy. Not sure its a good thing when your supposed number 1 receiver is getting praised for their blocking skills. Sounds like lazard to me

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Savage57's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:36 am

If Watson's blocking helps AJ score rushing TD's in the red zone, I can get behind that kind of progress.

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:17 am

I like that a guy is willing to roll up their sleeves. He needs to work with Love to get their timing right. In the short time that he played with Rodgers, the QB experience knew when to get the ball out and how to highlight Watson's speed.

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:15 am

--I might take a Packer version of Lazard at this point because he was stout.
-- It just seems to me that Watson was more open last season for some easier catches. Maybe injuries are adding up and hampering him.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:27 pm

They used #9 differently last year.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:21 am

If they've truly started to zero in on Jones in the run game, I think finding ways to feed 9 and 88 the ball (esp. on the move and not on late, deep throws) is the next order of business. The fact that Love spreads the ball out is good, but having a go-to, trusted pass-catcher is something that I think will help speed his development. If not Wason, then find someone who fits that role.

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:21 am

Every very good QB has that go to receiver. Adams bailed us out many times with some great catches. It takes some time and at the least solid play from all aspects. We will have some ans by season's end.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:28 pm

Musgrave and Reed are both good in the short middle. They can be used without having to be on top of each other, too.

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Guam's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:45 am

Watson played college ball at North Dakota State which is a "run first" program. He was a decent blocker coming out of college. It's his route running and pass game sophistication that are lacking. Hopefully he makes progress there and soon.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:30 pm

He came in way ahead of MVS in both route tree and catch %, with the same speed.

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Guam's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:24 pm

Agreed, but that is a pretty low bar. Hopefully his sights are set a little higher than MVS caliber play.

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Starrbrite's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:56 pm

I agree about a blocking receiver—it’s an important component, but secondary to getting open and catching the ball. Watson wasn’t drafted because he can block. Julio Jones, J. chase, Jefferson, are t being lauded for their blocking skills. No one gives a ratsa$$ if Kelce blocks. Get open and catch it.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:33 am

It’s easy to look good against a team that is weak in any sport. It’s one reason why some players excel in preseasons. It’s also one reason why coaching issues don’t always show up in summer.

Was this good? Jones was healthy and used at last. That’s an obvious lift. Nijman helped get that going, but he’s a much better player in the run game than the alternatives. We made some “rookie” mistakes in the first half, but still our O was pretty weak against a team that has struggled.

Half of our points came from two turnovers: a QB fumble that led to our first score and a gift interception at their 27 yard line. So ours were largely counterbalanced, and with better field position. They were unable to score of ours. In the end we also benefitted from something we’ve suffered from: what happens to defenses that have been out there far too long.

On D, we really didn’t have much challenge against an O that’s had issues scoring all year and now had a QB that it was apparent wasn’t going to pose a threat to an extent beyond the norm even for a back up. That took their 2 biggest weapons out of the game from the start. They aren’t a great running team and we managed to take that away without loading the box consistently.

When Barry is not scared of the big play he tends to let his DBs play. All of our current DBs are better playing aggressively as opposed to sitting off in man or zone. Lo and behold, left to play, they did. Contrast Jaire and Valentine with the previous game. This is a recurring tendency of Barry Ds. The Rams’ impotence simply never triggered his implies to make our players play up hill. I’ve given up hoping he will learn from that.

I see more unrefined talent on this roster than many. I see growth, that’s encouraging for the future. I see nothing to convince me of progress in terms of coaching, unforced at least.

The high points were running Jones more, playing Nijman, playing aggressive coverage. Rhyan and Wilson look to have earned more time. Valentine is better playing tight (as the summer showed) and we see our D being stouter against the run when it’s not on the field for 2/3 of the game. These things were largely gifts from our opponents or forced by injury.

Last year after 4 similar games there was a rush to absolve. I see that emerging after one win against a team with a dubious back up QB, starting on short notice, that was already well under .500. Fools gold may make one feel good but it won’t sustain you. We need to learn from that and not allow it to justify more empty continuity.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:45 am

You must have accidentally submitted before you were done.

Like I said to you yesterday, it's still progress that they beat a weakened team they were supposed to beat because they didn't beat the weak teams they were supposed to beat before this.

I'll take any grain of sand.....

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:52 am

I was deliberately trying to avoid the white screen of death … save and continue or vanish!

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:23 am

Yup. Never apologize for winning a game you're supposed to win.

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:25 am

...When Barry is not scared of the big play he tends to let his DBs play...

I like when a team dictates the terms of engagement. The Packers are fairly predictable on defense and are willing to give up the long drives. This may be in part to Barry and his soft zones and it may be the result of guys being assignment unsure. Our secondary has had enough talent but the gaps in coverage always seem to leave the windows open. To your second point, this boils down to coaching.

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Guam's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:34 am

I think your last paragraph is precisely where Iam at about this season. I loved that the Packers won a game and that there was visible progress, but progress is rarely linear. I expect more of the rollercoaster ride this year as the kiddie corps learns to play. Whatever their record will be, I wonder if they will show enough progress to save LaFleur's (and Barry's, Steno's and Butkus') job.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:37 pm

Butkus has to go! Yesterday. MLF might be an OC, Steno is not. Steno is an O line coach.

TE coach has never played TE. Vrable has to go. Strength and conditioning staff has to go. Mike Murphy has to at least realize his silos idea has failed. In Gutey I trust - that he is NOT a people person and therefore he's no GM.

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:31 am

What you say cannot be ignored. However, the O line came together later in the season, we had some veteran pass catchers, and less injuries. Someone made a point about all the rookie QBs playing better than Love, but a look at their rosters shows one a glaring difference, they all have solid veterans pass catchers.

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BritPack's picture

November 12, 2023 at 04:59 am

Many people have made this point about Love, trying to excuse his shortcomings, but I find it a pretty lazy argument. You could have any HoF receiver out there, they're not going to be difference makers if the QB can't get the ball to them consistently due to accuracy issues. I'd be more than happy to hold my hands up should Jordan Love prove me wrong, but all I see is a bang average QB who will never win enough games to take a team to the playoffs

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Cheezehead72's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:39 am

So the Rams waived Rypien. Here is the discussion they had with him. We are sorry because we do not see a future with you as you led the offense to only 3 points against a Joe Berry led defense.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:24 am

They decided Carson Wentz would play better with their fan base...

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:27 am

...We are sorry because we do not see a future with you as you led the offense to only 3 points against a Joe Berry led defense...

Joe Barry - the player killer. Too funny

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Starrbrite's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:53 pm

Lol—that’s funny—thanks for cracking me up.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 08, 2023 at 07:43 am

The Steelers are competently coached and their roster has some gaping holes. The game should be a decent barometer as to whether the Packer’s arrow is pointing up or down.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:32 am

Steelers are more physical than most teams. They tend to play hard, they've found ways to win their one-score games, and I think that's why they're 5-3.

Otherwise, statistically, they aren't very good. They're +8 on +/- which is the best thing we can say. Pickett has been unimpressive, but he's been missing their outlet TE (Freiermuth) but just got Diontae Johnson back, and he's been a pass-funnel slot receiver. It's another team that profiles--statistically--a lot like the Packers.

I'm expecting a low-scoring, ugly game.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:42 pm

Will SNL do a skit about Packers fans, similar to da Bares?

I can see three more wins, for 6 total. Any more than that would be a pleasant surprise. Hard to continue progress when you're pressured and beat everywhere.

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egbertsouse's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:02 am

This is my favorite column on this site and Jersey Al is my favorite writer. That said, please stop complaining about the penalty calls. It’s a bad look for any writer who wants to be taken seriously. Leave the pissing and moaning about the refs to the fanboys who are bored after finishing off their 12-pack of Miller High Life.

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Coldworld's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:10 am

Those 2 penalties are baffling a lot of people. I think it is fair to question them. Whether they were in fact correct, and if so what the detail of the infraction was is going to be interesting to find out.

Are we just inept in our coaching/execution of a now common move—whatever it was was repeated so it’s likely not execution contrary to intent? Is this the league tightening interpretation and not explaining it? Or, is it just an official getting it wrong?

I think that, in this instance, it’s a valid question to raise. I look forward to hearing what the league says.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:25 am

Agreed, CW. Not all "complaining about reffing" is the same. These were baffling calls--NO one seemed to understand them-- that stopped two good drives.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:45 pm

Does MLF need to formally complain?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:44 pm

Blind ref needs to be caricaturized! It was ATROCIOUS, especially on 2 of 3 Love shoves.

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Starrbrite's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:01 pm

It’s a legitimate and critical to question penalties. The refs are essentially the game’s judicial branch and must be held accountable.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

November 11, 2023 at 10:10 pm

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:22 am

Here are my C.O.A.P.M:

1. I know, I know "IFs" are for losers, BUT without the terrible offsides calls against Runyan, this might have been a BLOW-OUT, dominating victory. Those were both really good-looking drives before the "off-heads" calls.
2. I never understood people saying Valentine had a bad game last week; yes, he was thrown at, but he played tight coverage and has continued to look better than many past rookie CBs of the Packers who were picked in the first and second rounds. And he's only 21!
3. Al, you raise an interesting question: Why is Love missing so badly on deep throws? I made the comment before the season, that I liked Love's deep throws in college better than Favre or Rodgers throws. They had some "Lynn Dickey" to their arc. But this year he's throwing "with air," which look nothing like his college throws. Hmmm...
4. Aaron Jones going to Wicks is going to be one of the longest-lasting memories I'm going to have of him. It was an iconic example of being a good teammate.

5. My biggest gripe about fans comments this year: We all said we hoped to see "gradual improvement" by this young team. Unfortunately, people don't seem to understand how that gradual improvement manifests itself. People are acting like they expected to see "a zero week one, then a one week two, a two week three, etc." That's simply NOT how improvement is seen. It comes in fits and starts. It's three bad things and one good thing, then four bad things, then three good things, then one great thing and two terrible things, etc. What people should be looking for from young people is HIGHLIGHTS. When I saw Sean Rhyan stone Aaron Donald, that's GROWTH. Brooks and Wooden and McDuffie making TFLs? Those are signposts of GROWTH. This game had tons of "flashes," and that's how young people exhibit growth.
PEO

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Razer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:41 am

...4. Aaron Jones going to Wicks is going to be one of the longest-lasting memories I'm going to have of him. It was an iconic example of being a good teammate...

I agree. This is a different type of leader since Rodgers. The only thing that the players in that locker room need is the support of good coaching. Stay tuned.

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NFLfan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:17 am

Agree about Jones. He has a profound sense of genuine empathy and character. His parents must have been exceptional.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:27 pm

His parents were both military professionals. They most likely put their kids first and ran a tight ship. Jones is worth keeping if only for his terrific positivity and leadership.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:01 am

Comments that Rodgers wasn't a leader tend to start to bug me. #12 went out of his way during his time in GB to build relationships in the locker room on both sides of the ball, as evidenced by the number of former GBP players he is still friends with, as well as guys on other teams. He was demanding of the young players, that they know their role and be prepared, but he went back to them even after a mistake. Including with last year's rookies. The way Rodgers spoke about Aaron Jones, and the way Aaron Jones spoke about Rodgers tells me all I need to know about Rodgers' ability to lead. At some point in the last year or two, Micah Hyde (a guy on the defense, who left after his rookie deal) “I love 12. That’s my guy,” Hyde said. He added, “He’s a loving, great person. He’s one of the best teammates I ever had.”

There's a lot of made-up media crap about Rodgers not being a leader; I think based on not attending OTAs one (or two?) off seasons, during a period when he and the FO were clearly not seeing eye-to-eye.

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NFLfan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:06 am

I think Jones became the de facto leader in the locker room last year.

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Guam's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:57 am

PEO: Local newspaper had an article about LaFleur commenting on Love missing on his long throws. LaFleur said that during TC, Love was letting the long throws "rip", but has been "aiming" them more during the regular season. That has caused Love to underthrow the deep ball. LaFleur said he wants Love to "let 'er rip" going forward with his deep balls.

I'm no QB coach, but I can relate via my decades of playing golf. If I try to "steer" the ball, I can hit some pretty horrible shots. If I just trust my swing and hit it, they turn out much better. So maybe......

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:50 am

I have thought the same thing Guam, about Love's deep balls. It feels like he is trying to aim it down and not just let it rip. When he lets balls rip he does well. But when he tries hard to place it perfectly it seems like he comes up short and he misses his throws.

I also hear you about trying to steer the golf ball. That happens to me as well. Just trust the swing, trust the club. just let it go. Get too cute and it fails more often then not.

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PeteK's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:38 am

--- Yes, progress is like that because opponents' are different with differing styles.
---- I'll tell ya, I let one rip during a drive yesterday, golfers on the next hole looked back.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:24 am

" I let one rip during a drive yesterday"

PantzBurp indeed!

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Guam's picture

November 08, 2023 at 06:29 pm

Cookie for Dobber, LOL!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:19 am

"1. I know, I know "IFs" are for losers, BUT without the terrible offsides calls against Runyan, this might have been a BLOW-OUT, dominating victory. Those were both really good-looking drives before the "off-heads" calls."

The worst part about these calls is that they called the one on Yosh and the other on Runyan. So the 2nd time Runyan didn't even know it was him they called the first one on.

The most maddening part was how those 2 drives should have continued but they were taken away from us.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:53 pm

To me the maddening part is until this is contested and resolved, or however the process works, they don't know how to practice the play this week.

I'm not a fan of the play. Isn't it Jalen Hurts that squats 600#? JL could get hurt. Have #28 do this, with like Kraft behind him. Have our biggest guys on O line for this.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:23 am

"5. My biggest gripe about fans comments this year: We all said we hoped to see "gradual improvement" by this young team. Unfortunately, people don't seem to understand how that gradual improvement manifests itself. People are acting like they expected to see "a zero week one, then a one week two, a two week three, etc." That's simply NOT how improvement is seen. It comes in fits and starts. It's three bad things and one good thing, then four bad things, then three good things, then one great thing and two terrible things, etc. What people should be looking for from young people is HIGHLIGHTS. When I saw Sean Rhyan stone Aaron Donald, that's GROWTH. Brooks and Wooden and McDuffie making TFLs? Those are signposts of GROWTH. This game had tons of "flashes," and that's how young people exhibit growth."

I completely agree.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:52 am

Ok, this is just comical to me.

PEO has 2 thumbs ups and no thumbs down. I literally agreed with what PEO said, and I get a thumbs down. Just comical to me. Clearly its not about what is being said, its about who says it.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:06 am

I have the same thing happen to me, RC.
There clearly are posters who just downvote people they have some gripe against.
Lots of immaturity in the downvote population.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:25 am

yup definitely.

there is a ton. I would also go with a lot of butthurt people.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:40 pm

Know it alls, assholes, and trolls get a downvote. Usually only the personal attacks warrant a downvote from me. Mostly the voting is of no consequence because of its anonymous nature.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:11 am

Don't even worry about it. Every time I've commented that someone who downed me explain, it only led to more downs. Think they do it just for fun. It doesn't matter. You know the real people that disagree with you and like to have a conversation. I usually thumb up (even if I disagree) to tell me I've read it so I can go through faster when I try to catch up again later. Maybe someone does it with downs or just the name.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:28 am

I honestly really don't care. I just think its funny. Why i had to point it out.

I don't up or down vote anyone. Just not my thing. I usually just comment.

i am assuming people do it based on the name and don't even read what is written. I have done some experiments too. Like typing go pack go and seeing what happens. I would still get downvotes. its just funny.

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MainePackFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:18 am

It must the way it translated in your copy and paste RC. ; )

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:28 am

That makes sense lol.

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TxFred's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:23 am

It was good seeing smiles & a fun look room for a change. I hope it helps some.
But, they shouldn't get too far out over their skies.
They will be facing tough teams that still actually plan smash mouth football and NOT the NFL pushed entertainment shit. And they will get more embarrassing pounding.
This team just is too passive, docile and tends to be complacent.
Still nice to see smiles, again. GPG!!

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TXCHEESE's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:31 am

Up until the 4th quarter, I only got to see bits and pieces of the game. Happy to see some physicality on both sides of the ball. Hopefully they continue with that recipe with the remainder of the season. That's one of the most important things they need to figure out with these young guys. Who can impose their will on the guy across from them, and who will wilt against a physical opponent.

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ricky's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:32 am

Remember last year, when the defense changed in the last few games, it became much more aggressive, and therefore much better. Somehow, LaFleur let himself be convinced that Barry would continue on that path if he was rehired. So, to everyone's shock and anger, Barry kept his job. And sure enough, the defense somehow has a disturbing pattern of giving up first downs on third and longs. Because the tiger can't change its stripes. Could we be seeing the same thing with LaFleur? Doing what is necessary to keep his job when the pressure is on, but reverting to form if he is retained? One final question. I'm really wondering whether Stenavich was told to give some guidance to the OL that improved their performance this week? He was a terrific OL coach. Now, as OC, he is over his head.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:32 am

Forgive me, but this is LaFleur's defense. Barry works for LaFleur. Don't slag off Barry for running a defense put forward by MLF. Eyes on the prize.

If LaFleur wanted something different, he'd have it. He's the boss.

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jlc1's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:54 am

Hey Al I see what you're doing with that tweet. "quest...Love.." Nice.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 08:57 am

Progress was made in this game. While it wasn't perfect it was finally a step forward.

To me the biggest takeaways from this game were the rookies and the attitudes.
You could see how much energy Vallentine brought and how infectious that was. The defenses mindset was to attack. Whether it was LaFleur forcing Barry to do it, or Barry feeling no fear without staffard they were attacking. It was great to see a 3rd and medium and the DB"s weren't 10 yards off the ball. Regardless of why, it was just great to see.

I thought the biggest progress was made from the young players. Love played well overall. Wasn't perfect, but overall played well. He really came to life in the 2nd half. This was the best game as a whole from the rookie class. The young players really took a step forward in this game. Again not perfect but a step forward, which his progress.

It was great seeing them winning this last game. I am excited to see where they go from here. Can they put the games back to back. Will the young players continue to step up and improve? Can they continue to take steps forward. That is what I am looking forward to seeing.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:18 am

Don't you think that team energy on D starts with the ILBs? They showed allot of energy and are supposed to call out the others and run the D so maybe it became infectious from there? Campbel and Mcduffey seemed to be everywhere.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 01:18 pm

You know you bring up something that hasn't been talked about enough. Campbell is back on the field. I have heard he is the heart and soul of the defense. Not sure if that is true, but having him back on the field definitely helps. I thought McDuffie played his best game as a pro. He was attacking and making great plays.

Have to wonder if is how they attacked the offense. Either way i hope they do more of it.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:05 pm

Oh, for the days of the great middle linebackers. Don't these new rules make it look like the players are a bunch of sissies (at least the skill players)? They have to protect the bottom dollar, but I miss the old clotheslines. Those would turn me into a sissy if I had to face it though.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 04:00 pm

I'm a fan of McDuffie, and think he plays better with Campbell.

We had some rookie D linemen decide they were simply going to win their 1-on-1 matchups, too.

IOW every level of our defense stepped it up :) This was a team effort.

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BAMABADGER's picture

November 08, 2023 at 09:20 am

1) Let's come down to earth. We beat a really bad team with no QB.
2) Other than Donald, the Rams D has holes to fill just like the Packers
3) AJ getting significant touches is a difference maker - no brainer MLF. AJ play helps
J Love.
4) On the road against the Steelers is a real test. Packers haven't won there since Phil Bengston was HC.
5) Play Rhyan at RG, he looked good against Donald for the snaps he had. Let's see what he's got.
6) JB, good things happen (turnovers) when the D plays aggressive. Don't crawl back into your hole, continue to man up.

GPG!

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HarryHodag's picture

November 08, 2023 at 10:43 am

Any win is good, no matter the style points. 3-0 is a win, only the fantasy folks care about the rest.

But the likely outcome of the next four games are losses. You simply can't score on the Steelers. THAT might be a 3-0 game. The Chargers are a good team but are streaky. That score could be 30-27. The Lions at Detroit on Thanksgiving? No chance for Green Bay. The Chiefs? No chance.The most likely upset might be the Chargers.

What you would like to see are competitive games. I would also like to see Christian Watson catch some passes. I don't think you have to see him deep all the time. Mix it up. Doubs is also very capable deep. The question is whether Love can get him the ball. The Packers lines will be severely tested and depth will be a key.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:21 am

Win or lose it would be nice if they didn't beat themselves. They tried to do it against the Rams.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 04:05 pm

Lol Steve, they tried to beat themselves but couldn't do it!

Pretty much yeah, kinda.

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LaFlukeMustGo's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:02 pm

If that offensive line doesn't stabilize, we might see the 21st century version of Jerry Kramer's "Look Out Bart" block this November 23rd.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 04:04 pm

Reed and Musgrave are also good deep. JL should have a governor, so he only throws deep to somebody who's OPEN. #9 hit on crossers last season; get it to him in space and let him make a play.

Don't have JL trying to thread needles from a mile away while he's still missing easy layups. Developing a connection to Musgrave as a safety valve would win games, 5-15 yards at a time.

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NFLfan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:13 am

Only time will tell-

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MainePackFan's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:25 am

Thanks Al for the realistically positive article. You perfectly encapsulated how I see this team right now. Take the good with the bad, and hope the good outweighs the bad at the end of the day. Well done !!

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splitpea1's picture

November 08, 2023 at 11:45 am

Another sign of blocking progress was noted in the Packers Playbook on the 21-yard end around to Reed in the second quarter. There was no whiffing whatsoever, and everybody did their job well. More of this, please....

Some fans were downplaying this win, but it was important for the players and coaching staff to finally taste some success--finally something to build on after a month of nothing. Personally it's nice to have a small amount of enthusiasm going forward because watching these games was getting very tedious and a questionable use of free time. So no backsliding, don't let us down.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 01:07 pm

Weren't you holding your breath when he swung it (it seemed) 20 yards behind the LOS?

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ImaPayne's picture

November 08, 2023 at 12:45 pm

I dont agree with LeFleur walking the walk stuff Al. Lefleur all along has wanted Jones to be the catalyst because he knows from practice, Love aint the guy. Its Jones being injured often and unrealible that has caused the problem with the run game.
I knew and so did everyone else that LeFleur would be run crazy if Jones was healthy. That's the problem your all missing. Love needs the reps a hell of a lot more then Jones. I watched parts of the game on Redzone and say Love conveniently hand off to Jones five plays in a row. I'm sure he was happy to do which means he is more content not having the ball in his hands then taking responsibility for the win.
Rodgers and Favre wanted to win the game by taking charge, Love wants someone else to take charge. Thats why he will never be the guy. Its not that he lacks confidence its because he knows who he is and he aint NFL material.

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T7Steve's picture

November 08, 2023 at 01:12 pm

The run helped Love have an extremely good game passing the ball.

I don't remember any of the previous QBs objecting to hand the to Dorsey L, Amman G, or any of the others.

It just opens up everything else.

It made it look like Love was shooting free throws last Sunday.

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dobber's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:09 pm

Word soup, indeed.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 08, 2023 at 04:17 pm

Fubared -

everything about that comment is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition.

You might occasionally watch a GB game, but you certainly don't begin to understand the organization.

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BAMABADGER's picture

November 09, 2023 at 09:16 am

You have your strong opinion about JL. I would say most fans would agree it is to early to write off Jordan Love. Provide Love with consistent quality O-line and experienced All-Pro WRs, like Favre and Rodgers had early in there career, if he couldn't perform then we would value your opinion.

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Via.Lombardi's picture

November 08, 2023 at 12:58 pm

Progress, yes. Playoffs, no. This team needs higher draft picks. Ending the season at .500 will put them in the middle of a round and it isn't much help. Nice choice of Italian rock, btw. Complimenti con il canzone italiano.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 08, 2023 at 02:26 pm

"These guys came together a bit as a team in this game. That's progress."

That was surprising and welcome. It shows the the young players what's possible. The bigger question is still the coaching, Willl they revert to scrambling what works again.

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stockholder's picture

November 08, 2023 at 03:45 pm

Rams sign Carson Wentz as Stafford's new backup.

Seems the Rams blamed the Qb.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

November 12, 2023 at 09:52 am

A referee can and did cost the Packers a game with an terrible call. Years ago, I flew back to Lambeau to watch the Packers play the Seahawks and sat across from a man named Lance Easley and he and I talked football most of the flight to Green Bay. You may not recognize the name but he was the replacement referee who made the call which is infamously known as the "Fail Mary". Greg Jennings caught the ball with two hands on it and Golden Tate had one hand on the ball as they lay on the ground. Calling that a completion to the receiver was egregious and it cost us the game...error on the referee, but we still lost the game.

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