Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Post-Super Bowl LV Edition

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

 

Super Bowl Blahs:

This was easily the least interested I've ever been in watching a Super Bowl game - and that goes all the way back to the very first one, before it was called the Super Bowl. There are two main reasons, I guess. I'm sick of Tom Brady, and I'm still very much pissed that the Packers blew that game against the Bucs with a litany of self-inflicted mistakes and bad decisions. Would the Packers have destroyed the Chiefs like the Bucs did? I don't think so - there is little comparison between the two defenses. But would the Packers have won a high-scoring affair? I'm convinced they would have.

 

The One:

If I had to pick one moment from the Packers - Bucs NFC Championship game that will stay with me forever, it's the Scotty Miller TD. It deserves a nickname to be remembered in the annals of bad Packers history. The F*King Failure?  Any suggestions?

 

 

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Joe Barry Hiring:

Here's how I am processing this. At the moment they were hired, I knew as much about Joe Barry as I did about Matt LaFleur. Both had some less than stellar things on their resume. I'm not going to assume anything about Joe Barry, I'm just going to wait and watch.

 

 

The RIC:

Hey, have you heard the latest about Aaron Rodgers? Of course you have, because there's an entire industry being built around one Aaron Charles Rodgers. Rumors, falsehoods, innuendo, speculation, scandal... click, click, click, click... You've probably heard of the Draft Industrial Complex, made popular years ago by our own Aaron Nagler and shortened to "The DIC" this year by Corey Behnke. So I'm proposing "The RIC" AKA the Rodgers Industrial Complex. Saves time and words..

 

Offensive Line: 

I thought the Packers offensive line played poorly against the Bucs defense, but after seeing how the Bucs destroyed the Chief's offensive line, I'd have to revise that and say they probably did as well as could be expected without David Bakhtiari.

 

Bucs Defense in three words:

Speed, Physicality, Intimidation. These are all the traits that I've been saying the Packers defense has lacked for close to ten years now. Some strides have been made the last two years, but face it, the Packers' defense still looks downright soft and slow compared to the Bucs. If there are traits I'm looking for in this year's defensive draft prospects, these are at the top of the list.

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:18 am

How about a timely "King's Gambit?"

I'd love a Bucs style defense, but there are no Devin Whites at pick 29. We are the victim of our own success.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:45 am

Even if Devin White was available at 29 we wouldn't take him... See TJ Watt VS Kevin King

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KenEllis's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:25 am

True Devin White was not available for the Pack to draft.

But you know who was?

Lavonte David, twice.

But the wizard of defensive drafting Ted Thompson selected Nick Perry & Jerrel F'in Worthy in front of him.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:21 am

In case no one here told you, you're not allowed to talk bad of Perry, so many here believed he would be a really awesome OLB. I know, I laughed at that thought day one. Worthy was even more worthless of a pick, but at least more accepted such quickly.

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KenEllis's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:01 am

Oh trust me, I know the homers can't handle the truth about Ted's defensive drafting. I was out on Perry as soon as he declared himself a 4-3 DE who did NOT want to play 3-4 OLBer. But Ted knew better. He always did when it came to defensive drafting.

So much defensive talent available for the Pack in that 2012 draft, Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner, Janoris Jenkins, Harrison Smith, and we get Perry & Worthy. SMH.

And speaking of inside linebackers the Pack could have drafted, anyone remember Ted taking a safety out of ASU in round 1 and converting Randall into a (failed) CB in 2015?

This was the draft right after the pathetic ILB duo of Hawk and Jones was sent packing after their disastrous 2014 performances. Remember Packer fans clamoring for an ILBer named Eric Kendricks ... the All-Pro for the Vikes?

The Perry, Worthy, Randall round 1 & 2 misses (not to mention Datone Jones, HaHa, Rollins, King, Josh Jones) are how you continually get poor defensive play and why you get to ZERO SBs over 10 years with a QB who wins 3 MVPs.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:10 am

A long list of failures that only the blind optimist adored and defended, and a list that I and a couple of others were constantly under-siege for simply disagreeing with them, even though rightly so.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:41 pm

Total Disasters at the time.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:03 am

Ken, every GM have those situations where they pick busts and another player was available to take. Its very common and you could pick apart any teams drafts and come up with many such examples. Geez, I wonder how many teams could say that about not picking Tom Brady with 5 or 6 previous picks....lol.

The draft is a crap shoot and yes some teams do better then others and that is why the Packers, Pitts, NE, Indy, NO and some others have great records over time. You can say, they all have had great QB's to sustain such success and that would be true, but they drafted them or in NO's situation traded draft picks!

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KenEllis's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:01 pm

Murf, slice it, dice it, rationalize it, explain it, excuse it or whatever floats a loyal Packer fans boat, but, but, but ...

2012 Round 1 Nick Perry, Round 2 Jerrel Worthy
2013 Round 1 Datone Jones
2014 Round 1 HaHa Clinton-Dix
2015 Round 1 Damarious Randall, Round 2 Quentin Rollins
2017 Round 2 (top pick) Kevin King, Round 2 Josh Jones

is some major crapping out in the crap shoot that you call the NFL draft.

Hard to believe anyone could have a worse 6-year run of drafting defense in rounds 1 & 2 (especially given the viable alternatives that were out there as discussed above) than what occurred in GB between 2012-17.

And yeah Ted's draft pick Aaron Rodgers sure did cover up a lot of his crappy drafting on the defensive side of the ball during this period of time.

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flackcatcher's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:18 pm

BS on roids Ken. Murf point still holds. Draft is the biggest gamble any sports team takes. Packers do it better than most, their win-loss proves that. And if you are going to be a troll, work on your footwork. You are still a step slow...

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Big_Mel_75's picture

February 11, 2021 at 08:27 am

Drafting the best QB in the class at #24 when he was talked about going #1 isn't difficult. That is the cover up of crappy drafting after that.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 11, 2021 at 03:32 am

NO signed UFA Brees in 2006. Gamble was on his health and Brees really wasn't elite yet.

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4thand10's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:41 am

A line backer wouldn’t have made a difference in that game, however a DL or 2 might have. I was advocating for that Christian Wilkins pick that was right there for us at the time. I also would have paid breiland whatever he wanted over keeping King. This isn’t just hindsight, I was beating the drum.

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:02 am

No Breeland, he did a King impersonation in the SB.

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:53 am

But we could find a Craig Newsome.

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MarkinMadison's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:00 am

"King's Gambit" suggests that KK was employing some sort of strategy there. I think that is waaaay too generous.

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Coldworld's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:49 am

Pettine deployed a strategy. Nobody deep. To blame it on King not to have broken the call unilaterally is somewhat ridiculous. As Amos said, should have called a TO, but shouldn’t have had to.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:39 pm

Move up if you need to bag a guy.

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nostradanus's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:29 am

Yep agree that the Super Bowl was a downer (and what was up with that half time show? Strange season it was) Brady winning another Super Bowl, whatever.....

Joe Barry hire: after Jim Leonhard turned down the offer there wasn't a whole lot of DC's to be excited about. But MLF has earned the right to pick his own guy. 26 & 6 regular season record, 2 NFC North Titles and 2 Championship game appearances in 2 years.
Yeah, he's earned that right.

Aaron Rodgers personal life, not interested. Just play good football and do your squats man.

Packers Offensive line; they had problems in both games against the Buc's as did the Chiefs, you gotta give them their props man, they earned it and made Mahomes look mortal.

It is going to be a very interesting and challenging off-season for MLF-Russ Ball-Gutey and Murphy. Lets hope they get creatively aggressive and get this team over the hump and back in the Super Bowl in the next year or two.

That is all...

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:53 am

Yep, the only thing I have to say about ARs engagement is, " Congratulations, and best wishes".

Now moving on...

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:08 am

It must be a great match based on the season he had.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 05:58 pm

Falling in love with her definitely seemed to brighten his outlook on everything, no doubt about it.

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4thand10's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:44 am

But they had to have known.... could they have ran more double/ triple tight end sets, or use an extra OL like in the Tennessee game?

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Cheesehead_in_Boston's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:28 am

Nothing to add ... but I always look forward to this column. So many columns cover the same obvious points, but the "confessions" are different. Often addresses what I'm thinking about.

Helps me get over the losses ...

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JerseyAl's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:09 am

I try to come up with not-so-obvious things - not always easy, but I try. Thanks for the kind words.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:40 pm

Hey Al,
Your column is one of my favorites and I view at in the vain of an old Howard Cosell phrase he used to describe himself..."telling it like it is".

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Guam's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:32 am

I would narrow the Bucs defense down even further to their front six. Their secondary is grabby and not that special, but the D-line and the two backers behind them are exceptional. The exact opposite of the Packers who have a good secondary and are less than special upfront. It will be tough for the Packers to improve our front 6/7 given where the Packers are drafting, but IMO that is the weakest part of the defense and of the whole team. Hopefully we get a gift to fall to us.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:42 am

History says we will not draft an ILB higher then the 4th round... we could have had Patrick Queen last year...

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:14 am

He is rated as one of the worst ILB by PFF, so the jury is still out on Queen. Although, PFF also has White rated as below average, which I cannot understand after watching him in the playoffs. I’d guess play to play he might not be in position, but he continues to make game changing plays game after game.

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:47 am

Adapt that to say that he rated very poorly on a very good defense overall. He was the guy opponents were targeting and picking on.

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packerbackerjim's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:54 am

Mahomes apparently didn’t get that memo.

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:22 pm

Do you mean when they beat the Ravens by 14 points in September?

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packerbackerjim's picture

February 10, 2021 at 04:37 pm

I thought you were referring to White not Queen. Antecedents sometimes aren’t clear.

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:06 pm

Gotcha! :)

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:58 pm

Barnes any day over the one-year wonder.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:10 am

Guam, I don’t think they are that far off in the front 6 or 7, especially if snacks comes back and has something left in the tank, which is questionable. That said, to get there I think we need to use 2 out of the top 3 picks on our front 6 defense. The other pick I’d like to see is OT. Not sexy, but we need to build the trenches.

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Coldworld's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:21 am

I am doubtful Snacks will play again. He looked like a shadow when he did. I think he is done. The problem with our D line was usage, but we need to strength it now due to contract expiry and by hopefully having moved in from the coach who insisted on going light

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Guam's picture

February 10, 2021 at 12:03 pm

I agree the Packers aren't too far off, but can they get what they need drafting so late in the rounds? Given the likely need at CB, I doubt we can afford two of the top three picks in the D-line and linebacker as well as one at OT. The Pack is going to be one pick short of their needs and that is assuming they hit on all of them.

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JerseyAl's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:12 am

I used to be of the same mind about their secondary, but the last few games has changed my mind. They are physical and intimidating (did you see those hits on Aaron Jones that caused two fumbles?) There's nothing wrong with being grabby if the refs aren't calling it tight.

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:54 am

"They are physical and intimidating"

Tampa's defense is a defense that plays a step past the whistle. There are teams that do it, get up and run back to the huddle without much jawing and celebration, and you say, "man, they're physical". Then there are teams like Tampa that get that extra lick in, maybe a bit of a jab in the pile, take a little shot, then get up and yap and yap...and you say, "that's chippy," or "dirty F*in bastards". I'd far rather have the former than the latter and it's all a perception of confidence and professionalism.

"There's nothing wrong with being grabby if the refs aren't calling it tight."

I can't agree more...you've got to play within the rules, and the refs are the ultimate arbiters of the rules on game day. The problem I have is that when refs swallow their whistles as much as they seemed to do this postseason, it fundamentally changes the nature of the game--it's not the same game teams needed to excel at in order to get to the playoffs. NCAA tourney basketball is the prime example of this...and now this year, the NFL playoffs were worse than I've seen in recent memory (or maybe it seems that way because the Packers were not the team being the beneficiary).

Nobody wants the refs to decide a game with a call...but they can just as easily turn the outcome based on no-calls.

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x24's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:47 am

Agreed on Tampa's D. They remind me of Gruden's winning Tampa defense- no real blue chip players, just a bunch of JAGs hustling hard and playing with an edge- to the whistle

Our defense improved in the stretch, but I still saw a lot of guys standing around while their teammates struggled with a tackle.

I have not seen an edge to our defense since Mike Daniels, and I certainly did not feel it this season.

BTW- the occasional display of arrogance when a wide receiver drops a ball, does not count

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showmefan's picture

February 12, 2021 at 01:51 pm

That '02 Tampa D had 3 future Hall of Famers on it.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:44 am

I have never understood why there are basically 3 sets of rules with refs. Regular season, Post season and the Super Bowl.

Just look at the difference in calls from the Super Bowl to the NFC championship game. If the Packers had these refs, there likely would have been a few calls going GB's way and who knows what happens in that game. And while I like that they let them play like they did in the NFC championship game, there were plenty of plays that happened that there should have been penalties. The Lazard interception. Clearly the DB grabs his shoulder and pulls himself into the ball. That was a game changing play that should have been DPI not a turnover. There were other plays like that. When its a penalty the call needs to be made. Just like on the King penalty play. If Gary isn't held he gets to Brady and the play downfield is nullified. Those are game changing plays that if called correctly. And in other ways if they are not called correctly impacts the game.

Lets face it. Refs have a major impact in this game. And something needs to be done about it. Like the Mike Evans play before half time in the Super Bowl. The ball was not catchable. The ball was easily 5-10 yards away from him. Or the play in the end zone when Brady is clearly throwing the ball away, the WR isn't even expecting the ball and then tries to go towards the ball after he sees where it is heading. How is there not a sky judge or someone overlooking those plays to say, no its not a penalty. Not catchable. Similar to Kevin King. The ball wasn't catchable. Regardless of what happens the ball was way over thrown, yet the offense is going to get a first down for it?

I think its time to add some sort of REF in the booth to view replays of the games. Or to look over key plays. Like turnovers and deep pass interference penalties. Those are game changing plays. its time to start getting those right.

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Swisch's picture

February 10, 2021 at 12:10 pm

Really interesting comments, Dobber.
If what you're saying is true, the Packers should be vocal about changing the rules in the NFL to discourage both cheap shots and grabby defensive backs -- which really do ruin the game by rewarding trickery and thuggery over talent and good hard play.
I want the Packers defense to be a lot tougher but not dirty.
Even though it seemed the Bucs were the better team in our playoff loss, I would revise my opinion if their defense benefitted from cheap shots and grabbing our receivers.
One could say that they just were smart enough not to get caught, but some of us still believe in fair play and sportsmanship and honor.
I don't analyze the games as closely as some fans, and look to them for help in understanding what happened in any given game.
So I would miss some of the dirty tricks that -- if part of a team's modus operandi, method of operation -- would to me would taint any championship.
I hope the Packers don't take the low path, but instead fight for an NFL of integrity.

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splitpea1's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:47 pm

You set an impossible bar--every official, no matter the sport (which definitely includes home plate umpires) has their own interpretation of what constitutes a foul (or whatever) within the general rules.

If the Bucs are smart and skilled enough to get away with minor holding without drawing the flag, then our players should be taught to do the same. There's nothing dirty about it.

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Coldworld's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:29 am

Al, the Bucs benefitted mightily from the change in the officials approach to what is acceptable from a defender in the post season. I’m not sure whether that’s just their leadership being smart or simply benefitting from a tactic to cover weaknesses. I can’t see that being allowed in the regular season. If it is, a lot of secondaries will be better.

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Guam's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:59 am

I agree they hit hard and are very physical, but the last few games the refs also swallowed their whistles on PI which wasn't happening during the regular season. The interception against the Packers would have been PI during the regular season. Josh Jackson would likely have flourished in the post season as I don't believe he is any grabbier than the Tampa DBs. Who knew the refs were going to change the rules?

Play what the refs will allow, but the refs changed their game from regular season to post season and it allowed the TB secondary to excel.

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flackcatcher's picture

February 10, 2021 at 02:54 pm

Rule changes came out of New York. League directive on PI and defensive holding. All word of mouth. It remains to be seen if the owners will punish team Goodell for this. This is the second time New York has changed the rules prior to the playoffs in four years. Game crews have been in open rebellion now for at least two years over the constant morphing PI and holding calls. Can't see this ending well.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 02:01 pm

Whitehead out of Pitt. Hits remind me of Willie Wood.

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Razer's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:22 am

I think the Bucs secondary is good but you are right - the D-line and linebackers make this defense special. It is a little of the chicken or egg when it comes to defenses. If you have great D-line play and can cover with your linebackers, your secondary can be aggressive because that ball has to come out.

The Packers have taken the opposite approach and invested in secondary and pass rush. After numerous wasted picks we had maybe our best secondary and most dangerous pass rushers. Unfortunately, our pass rushers are one trick ponies and we still have weakness in the secondary. A second Kenny Clark and stud linebacker would repair this defense.

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:19 am

You never know, Barret- undrafted, David # 58. I have confidence that Martin and Barnes will improve and a rookie will be in the fold.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:02 pm

I was expecting Rodgers to roast their secondary when given a second chance, after seeing analysis and rankings of their blown coverages, but they seemed to turn it up another gear in the playoffs. My conclusion was they were young guys who improved, in much the same way Gary and Savage got better down the stretch.

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February 10, 2021 at 07:40 am

We chose King over TJ Watt, and Dalvin Cook are two that comes to the top of my mind.....
I was crushed when Leonhard turned down the job. I hope Barry does better then his two other stints at DC....
I watched the last two mins of 2nd QTR in the super bowl and wanted to vomit and turned it off....
I think the Love pick is going to really bite us this year as any other choice would most likely help us more this year with the down year of the cap.....
How many times is Green Bay going to get killed by stud ILB before we decide we need to invest in one?

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:55 am

Hop in your time machine, train up as a scout, get yourself in the Packers inner circle, and change history.

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:35 am

Queen could have been the choice, but Barnes compares equally even with his injuries. No use rehashing the past. We have 10 picks two in 4th, 5th, and 6th.

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Since'61's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:02 am

The King play was a total cluster FuxKing. Redmond should have made the pick on the previous play however. Then it never happens.
Like you Al, I’ve been saying the Packers defense needs speed, physicality and a nasty attitude, or as you put it, intimidation for a long time.

As for the Bucs defense they slowed down the Saints and Packers and dominated the Chiefs. Kudos to Todd Bowles. Wish he was our DC.

Our OL had their worst games of the season against the Bucs. They allowed 5 sacks in each game and multiple QB hits. Not sure why we didn’t utilize TE chips and running straight at them in the NFCCG.

As for Barry his defense in LA is #2 in sacks over the last 4 seasons. His defenses even the poor ones in Detroit were among the league leaders in turnovers as well. Better tackling, more sacks and turnovers would go a long way towards improving our defense. We have no choice but to wait and see.

RIC makes sense. He has been his own corporation for quite a while now. Football, commercials and part NBA owner are 3 solid revenue streams. His 3rd MVP just means more exposure and more revenue for him. Maybe be the he is 43 the Packers will have finally built a defense that can actually play defense.

Nice job Al, stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:56 am

Everytime I see the impact of exceptional ILB play I remember Elliot Wolfe's dumb quotes about the importance of Linebackers.

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Lphill's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:03 am

Packers are a soft team run by soft people who let themselves get spanked in their own house. Nothing will change .

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Razer's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:28 am

I am not sure that I agree with the 'rounding-up' of this statement. The front office has followed a philosophy of undervaluing D-lineman and linebackers in favor of secondary. I don't like it because it makes us light in the pants and less talented in the front seven. I am not sure that you can be "hard" with players like Lowry or Lancaster or Barnes leading the charge.

You are right that nothing will change - unless - we get more talent in these positions.

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Coldworld's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:35 am

I don’t see Barnes as soft. Pettine’s scheme calls for a certain type of ILB, but is really more DB focused. Pair that with a light DL and the appearance of softness is likely. I thought Barnes overcame that remarkably well for a smaller ILB and a rookie as well.

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:42 am

Half filled glass of water crashing to the floor.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 11, 2021 at 01:11 pm

This soft team run by soft people had first and goal at the 8 . Despite everything.

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February 10, 2021 at 08:04 am

My 'polluted mindset' has morphed to a 'muddled mindset'. This Packer team, including Aaron Rodgers exceeded my expectations - so to get as far as they did (with #1 seed) was a super bonus. Losing as they did is hard to swallow mainly because it was self-inflicted. A little better play by the O-line and better game decisions would have been enough to get past the Bucs. Ultimately, I believe we got out-coached and I think Andy Reid suffered the same.

The harder part for me is the dimming horizon for this team. Getting enough talent to make this a championship defense (D-line, CB, linebacker) will take time - two years if you are optimistic. Of course, Aaron Rodgers is the engine and his shelf life is close to done. Can Lafleur get two more championship years out of this offense?

All of these questions are asked in the backdrop of a very poor cap situation for the Packers. We are like the 5th poorest cap. Without signing any of our FA, we will need to shed around $20 million just to sign next year's draft class. Not a lot of wiggle room. The big question is how much of these contracts do we want to push out to extend guys like Rodgers, Adams and the like.

As I said... lot of muddle.

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splitpea1's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:23 am

Draft-wise, now is the time to load up on defense with a two or three-year (hopefully two) window in mind. I know we also need to look for a tackle and RB right now, but I hope we will mainly focus on the future, with or without A-Rod. I want to win now as much as anyone, but we've had a couple of chances to get over the hump, and we haven't. Besides, our offense still should be pretty good with our current personnel. And should A-Rod get injured for an extended period, we still don't know what we have in Boyle or Love; we may be able to beat lesser teams, but good teams?....at this point, I doubt it.

Gute has to get these higher defensive draft picks right; we've done a really good job patching things together with UDFAs, but you can only go so far with them (unless they're like Shaq Barrett).

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:21 pm

"The harder part for me is the dimming horizon for this team. "

This where find out if Gute has any vision. He's not been picking to win now...he's been playing a longer game with roster development. If he's right, for many of these defections, it's next man up and the wheels keep turning. There will be holes, but opportunities to fix some with the draft and lesser FA acquisitions. If he's wrong, then the wheels come off and it starts to look ugly.

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February 10, 2021 at 03:09 pm

Right out Wolf-Thomspon playbook. So far he won more than loss on his drafts. This is the big one. Gutekunst has to 'win' this upcoming draft with the number of contracts of core personnel coming due. With how this team operates in three-year cycles, we could be looking at massive rebuild worse case. This upcoming season could be a bridge year. I hope not, but nothing surprises me about Gutekunst anymore.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 10, 2021 at 05:16 pm

Razer, I don’t see a “dimming horizon”. When Favre was our guy, and Rodgers was on the bench, people trafficked in gloom and doom too.

There are a lot of very good players under contract that will be back. And the defense held Tampa to 24 points , minus the seven that were gifted by the Jones turnover OR the halftime bomb.. For all the bitching about the defense, it played well enough to give us a shot in every game.

I fully expect us to be good again next year, and that when it’s Love’s turn he’ll have a good team around him..

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 05:56 pm

Absolutely , the main ingredients are there, and with a solid draft the team could be better.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:11 pm

A solid draft, a wisely chosen veteran free agent or two, and a surprisingly aggressive trade would be the kind of blockbuster offseason I'm hoping Gutekunst has in him.
2018 was good. 2019 was great. Held steady in 2020. Hoping for a little more Wolf than Thompson in these next few months, though even Thompson had his smooth signings of Woodson and Peppers.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 11, 2021 at 04:04 am

Quite possible.

Not one word about winning a super bowl. Well, maybe that only happens when a team catches lightening out of a bottle which is the only way it is going to happen with the half brake/half all gas approach so far.

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February 11, 2021 at 01:09 pm

Nah. That’s your pain talking.

Win the division and make the playoffs. After that, a lot of it is injuries and luck. Tampa Bay got lucky this year with injuries and the bounce of the ball. Next year could be our turn.

We were first and goal at the 8, despite everything.

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baldski's picture

February 11, 2021 at 12:59 am

I agree Razer. We will have a lot of cap trouble. Meanwhile, the Bucs are $29 million under the cap. With what their GM has shown in putting their team together, he has plenty of cash to work with in making TB even better. How long can Brady last?

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NickPerry's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:08 am

"This was easily the least interested I've ever been in watching a Super Bowl game"

You and I both Al. I think a lot of Packers fans were in the same place...Who gives a F**K! I sorta watched it, mostly listened to the first half. That first INT or TD by the Bucs near the start of the 2nd half was where I shut it off.

The Bucs defense was pretty damn good, down the stretch especially. BUT with that O-Line and what HAD to be swirling around in Andy Rieds mind, I think just about EVERY playoff team could have beat the Chiefs Sunday Night... Every team except the Bears that is.

A nickname for King?? Man o man, just want the man GONE from Green Bay. It's bad enough everytime I hear TJ Watts name I want to vomit instead of celabrate a Wisconsin boy doing great things. THANK GOD it wasn't the Bears, Vikings, or Lions drafting in that spot instead of the Steelers...Oh wait, that would have meant the Bears wouldn't have further destroyed their franschise with the Mack trade, right after doing years of damage with the Trubisky trade!!

FINALLY, a light at the end of the tunnel...The Bears STILL SUCK!

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gkarl's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:28 am

First SB I never watched a play. Still not over the loss, but my SB snacks and beverages didn't go to waste!!

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:12 pm

I did that in 2007. Couldn't do it!

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PeteK's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:50 am

However, after Sue's cheap hit , I did harken back to the enjoyable memory of Patrick pancaking and getting the best of that rear hole.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:14 pm

The guy has played 174 games in the NFL. You'd think Packers fans would've learned his name is "SUH" by this time. He's not the guy mentioned in the Johnny Cash song.

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PeteK's picture

February 11, 2021 at 10:13 am

He's Sue or Susan to me .

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 02:27 pm

The "Fortune Cookie " was on Turner Classic Movies. Minimal time perusing the SB low-lights.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:17 pm

Fantastic taste in classic hollywood. Love getting a look into a different kind of league, that 60's NFL, when baseball was still king, and professional football didn't take itself so seriously.

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Fabio's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:14 am

Small reflection .....
Assuming what I have already said in other posts that if the referees do correctly Tampa does not even pass the round against New Orleans, I have made a small comparison (Q excluded) player by player between GB and TB.
In my humble opinion (and very debatable ...) I have elaborated the following:
Gb is superior in 3 players (Devante Adams, Jaire A. and Bakt.)
We are tied in 2 players (Clark and Jenkins), but otherwise there is not a single time that I would take one of our players over theirs (I refer to talent).
So how come I still get the feeling that more GB has lost than Tampa has won ?? Maybe because we have Aaron Rodgers. I recognize that he is getting older, that he makes mistakes (he is human too) and that decision-making capacity on the whole perimeter is decreasing. But I firmly believe that without him this team (like many in recent years) would have a negative record.
For this I believe that Gb must restructure his contract, free up space in the roof and go fast on the free agency (in the hope of hitting the draft well)
Greetings from Italy
Go Pack Go

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x24's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:21 am

"This was easily the least interested I've ever been in watching a Super Bowl game"

You are not alone, they couldn't even manage to sell all the tickets. Looked like the stadium was half empty...

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Razer's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:26 am

Too funny

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 11, 2021 at 04:05 am

It had the worst ratings since 2007 or 2008.

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Swisch's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:34 am

I'm glad the fans here have their sights set on a Super Bowl victory, but I would caution against too much negativity.
After the Packers had slipped into a couple years of dismal doldrums, our new head coach has revitalized the team to consecutive appearances in the NFL Final Four -- with an abundance of victories, including one in the playoffs each year.
It's understandable that we're not quite there yet as far as winning the Super Bowl because we haven't yet attained the level of the top teams -- but we can be hopeful that we're getting there.
We can praise the Packers for their accomplishments of late, and yet honestly assess their shortcomings so as to prod them to new heights.
Even as we're pursuing excellence, life is too short to not appreciate the amazing progress along the way.
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Lest I be thought of as too positive, I was calling for a change in defensive coordinators at mid-season.
Then perhaps we would have seen if Jerry Gray was the man for the job in giving our defense an added edge.
In any case, now is the time to build that tougher defense of tenacity to put us over the top.
By the way, even in our win in the 2010 Super Bowl, the Steelers were bulldozing our defense in the second half -- and we were fortunate to hold on.
At least in those days our defense had some dash and daring, with Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews leading a corps of playmakers getting the ball back to our offense.
We could use some of that verve again, along with some of the ferocity of the Bucs defense that was the real difference in them beating us in the NFC Championship Game. They were fast and furious enough to frustrate us into mistakes. No shame at all in losing to them.
Their recipe seems to be brawny bruisers up front to eat up the blockers, and then quick crunchers to make devastating tackles. Let's focus on that in this draft, the kind of defense spoken of above by Jersey Al.
Thanks to him for a season of standout columns here at CHTV.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 06:22 pm

I like the way you talk.

We definitely need more dash and daring. I wonder how much a defensive unit takes on the character of their coordinator? hopefully Barry has a little more toughness and spleen about him. The scheme is of secondary importance to the attitude. Get those guys running around with confidence and ill will.

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February 11, 2021 at 04:09 am

Well, I wouldn't blow the team up. Otherwise, negativity is in order.

2 of the 3 Coordinators need to go. Check, though too late.
Murphy needs to go.
Gute can stay. For now....
Show me what you've got, Russ Ball.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:55 am

Super Bowl Blahs:

Watching the game, I couldn't help but think of the what ifs. What if we had the refs that were calling that game, and on the Lazard Interception they call DPI instead. Or what if they don't throw the DPI flag on King at the end of the game and Rodgers gets the ball back 1 last time. What if Adams catches the 1 TD. What if Redmond catches the ball before halftime. What if Bakhtiari doesn't get hurt.

The One:
How about the "Are you F***ing Kidding me play".

Joe Barry Hiring:
The one thing I know about his past DC jobs is that he did not have a lot of talented players to work with. He will have that in GB. I learned that the system he is going to employ is the Vic Fangio system. I like that. I learned from Bill Huber on the Mike Heller show the other day that the one good thing is that the defenses before and after Barry was the DC, were no better then when he was there. I believe Washington's defense improved under Barry and regressed after him. As we learned with LaFleur that we have to trust the process. Not a lot of people were happy with LaFleur. And he has finished 26-6 with 2 NFC championship games in his first 2 years.

Offensive Line:

Packers OL had been one of the strengths of the team all year. Wagner simply couldn't hold up against Barrett. Turner struggled against JPP. I do wonder what would have happened if Bakhtiari doesn't get hurt and Turner is able to play RT. I think they would have handled the pass rush much better.
When we get talking about the draft we need to make sure we talk about the OL. Watching what happened with Tampa and what they did to the Chiefs puts more emphasis that we need to make sure our OL is strong. With Linsley most likely to not return. Bakhtiari might be slow to return, OL becomes a bigger need. Turners versatility will help. Jenkins can move to OC if needed. Runyan looked good when he played. Stepanski might be a guy to watch. We definitely need to invest into our OT.

Bucs Defense in three words:
The speed really stands out. In all honesty the biggest difference was the ILB's. The speed at which they play is not comparable to the Packers. I really like Barnes and Martin looked good, but the speed difference is noticeable.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:11 am

"The speed really stands out. In all honesty the biggest difference was the ILB's. The speed at which they play"

RC....David runs around a 4.6 so the comment I like best above, is "the speed at which they play". Fast 40 time doesn't necessarily translate to play speed...ala Burns.

I would argue those ILB's also have the advantage of playing with a very talented front 5. Suh, Vea, Gholston, JPP and Barrett. Collectively, I would say the best front 7 in NFL.

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February 10, 2021 at 06:27 pm

Good point. a player, especially at ILB, can have a fast 40 time but be too slow to diagnose and trigger. For all his imperfections, Barnes really showed that explosiveness on a few plays last year. Martin has even more natural ability, and I'm hoping with Barry's good track record coaching LBs, he might be able to use that athleticism within the scheme more this upcoming season.

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February 10, 2021 at 08:58 am

"Offensive Line:

I thought the Packers offensive line played poorly against the Bucs defense, but after seeing how the Bucs destroyed the Chief's offensive line, I'd have to revise that and say they probably did as well as could be expected without David Bakhtiari."

Man. So true. I will regret the CG forever. If even ONE thing goes the other way - including Bakh being there - we win. UGHHH.

I. HATE. TOM. BRADY.

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MarkinMadison's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:03 am

OK. If you posted that AR was doing so much better this season because he wasn't dating, out yourself. Moving on.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:21 am

Dating or finding true love, maybe that's the difference?

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JQ's picture

February 12, 2021 at 10:21 am

I think you mean, "Twue Wove."

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mrtundra's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:05 am

So, looking to the draft and FA, GB needs an ILB, DT, O Line, RB and a CB. Sound familiar?

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:20 am

I agree with your thoughts except RB. Yes, they have a need after Dillon, but that won't be all that hard to fill either late in the draft or the many cheap RB's with some tread on the tires late in FA.

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February 12, 2021 at 03:46 pm

So...lking 2 drft & FA GB n’ds ILB DT OL RB & CB. Wabout Q & WR K P?

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TXCHEESE's picture

February 10, 2021 at 09:40 am

The thing that bothered me the most about the TD play before half, was TB pulled their TE and sent in their fastest receiver, after calling the timeout. If that didn't telegraph their intentions, then not only is Pettine an idiot, he is also blind.

Yes, GB blew the NFCCG, but TB's defense caught breaks with injuries to the OL for both GB and KC.

As for nick naming that play, I submit: "WTF2020"

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 02:40 pm

Good eyes, Thanks.

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flackcatcher's picture

February 10, 2021 at 03:18 pm

"As for nick naming that play, I submit: "WTF2020" There are not enough upvotes for this....

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:00 am

The reason one or many is sick of Tom Brady is simple jealousy. Deny it all you want, but when you want Rodgers winning like Brady does, you'd be ecstatic that people are sick of Rodgers.

The talk about the OL while maintaining a top five or number one ranking throughout the season was constantly boasted about, especially its incredible ability to maintain such with their interchangeable depth, until they got stomped when that ranked play needed to show up.

So it's now being said that we should wait and see about Joe Barry. Why? Is it possible that MLF may go the route of MM and surround himself with friends regardless of their poor success scaring some. When the failures are what stands out on a resume, nobody should be expected to wait and see, while those who should be all over it, endorse a softball approach about covering the backstory and the principle person(s), Barry and LaFleur.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:07 am

The part I'm sick about Brady is hearing how he is the Goat after he plays poorly and his team wins. Against the Packers he throws 3 interceptions, (should have been 4) and he is called the goat seconds after the game. If the Refs don't throw the flag on King, and the Packers get the ball back and marches down the field for a game winning drive is Brady still the goat?

Just like a few years ago when they were playing Seattle in the Super Bowl. And at the 1 yard line instead of running it with Lynch they throw it and its intercepted. Seconds after that game he was labeled the Goat. If the Seahawks run the ball and score and win the game, is Brady considered the goat then?

Its the narrative that every time the team wins regardless of what he does, he is called the goat. That just gets old.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:47 am

It isn't just about Brady's play, it's about his leadership, and how he and the team play to win.

It isn't whether the defense made the play or whether Brady made the play, the point is they do make the plays that turn a possible loss into a win or make a win an impossibility to lose.

The Packers, whether by the hand of Rodgers, the defense, coaching calls, always seem to collapse and that separates winners and losers and why one is THE Goat and one simply isn't and will never be based on success, which is Super Bowls.

Nothing defines the greatest more than championships. Not how he threw the ball, his escape ability, his pocket presence, number of TDs, games played in a row, toughness etc. They all take a backseat when the one with the Rings holds up his hands. It's about winning, not how or what got you there, but that you did when the others with any or all those tangibles didn't.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:16 am

"It isn't just about Brady's play, it's about his leadership, and how he and the team play to win."

Taryn, I don't agree with much of what you say, but I couldn't agree more with this statement...two thumbs up! The championships prove your statement.

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BAMABADGER's picture

February 11, 2021 at 06:57 am

Brilliant!

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 02:42 pm

Linebackers do not toss the critical TDs.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:14 am

I believe he went after Barry because he is interested in running the Vic Fangio's style defense, which has been highly effective in recent years.

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flackcatcher's picture

February 10, 2021 at 03:51 pm

If that were true, he never would have made the hard push for Leonhard who runs the same scheme Pettine ran at Green Bay.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:12 am

Apparently, lots of people didn’t care about the game. It had the worst viewership since 1969, and it was down millions from last year, which was down millions from the year before. I’ve watched every Super Bowl, but I had this one on in the background while I did other stuff.

For the second year , Jersey Al has pointed to a lack of team speed on defense for the Packers, but I don’t believe the plays that ended our season would have been changed by more defensive speed. The bomb to end the half, the fumble by Jones and subsequent TD, the missed opportunity to Lazard, the inability of Rodgers to Adams at the goal line.....none of these were about lack of defensive speed.

It was a great season, we had a really good team but we shot ourselves in the foot. That’s my season recap.

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February 10, 2021 at 11:11 am

yes, and Packers have been drafting for speed for a few years now, examples are burks, savage, alexander, Hollman and Gary. many other fringe players had very good 40 times for their size in addition to excellent RAS scores. There is something else missing, but it isn't team defensive speed!

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February 10, 2021 at 11:51 am

It was the defensive strategy and personnel use. Pettine is gone. He made the calls that hamstrung the D. I firmly believe that scheme and that roster would have been better without him had we cut ties mid season. Never have I seen a coach so determined to fight what seems obvious in terms of personnel and also repeatedly call defensively on a D that performs better playing aggressively. A coach that gets less out of players when his hand isn’t being forced is a lead weight.

Ultimately, despite play calling issues and fumbles on O, Pettine’s calling in the first half was completely contrary to the long known strategy for beating Brady. In the second half we had three interceptions against him when he was leading. Once the game forced Pettine to be aggressive (and maybe LaFleur at half time).

Pettine looks like a coach who has lost his nerve. He killed us. I hope LaFleur has learned from that. Don’t tolerate repeated unacceptable leadership.

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Guam's picture

February 10, 2021 at 12:15 pm

Ten thumbs up if I could CW!

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 10, 2021 at 02:46 pm

The blog archive defends your position. The indictment was after the first Tampa game.

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HawkPacker's picture

February 12, 2021 at 07:31 pm

I think LaFleur should have gotten rid of Pettine last year. I wonder what would have happened this year???

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stockholder's picture

February 10, 2021 at 10:59 am

Of Course King messed up. But he is No F**k-up. How many CBs does one franchise have to keep drafting? We've seen Tramon Williams even mess up during MMs rein. But to keep dumping on King, is just foolishness. This defense couldn't stop Brady. And thats the simple truth. It hasn't stopped anyone for 10 years. Capers and Pettine didn't have the answers. So if two guys who pushed the 3-4-4, can't figure it out. Shouldn't the scheme be changed? I praise the Barry pick. A coach that believes in LBs again. Hot Damn! I 'm excited. Physical play is coming back to GB. No need to call a Lawyer. Yet some on this site have persecuted King so much. He should call one. And if it's not Kings Fault, it's Rodgers. The conversation about Defense has been the same for the last 10 drafts. Something needs to change. And while the NFL will get to fest on are cast-offs. Gute' position on Love, shows he isn't listening to the fans. Ignoring the DL until they made the playoffs? Gute is the guy to blame! For he is responsible for this roster. All the money and blood won't help. The packers got buried.

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:14 am

"Gute' position on Love, shows he isn't listening to the fans" Why on gods earth would any GM listen to fans. As if we know something more then them. That is silly!

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dobber's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:26 pm

I'm not worthy!
I'm not worthy!

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murf7777's picture

February 10, 2021 at 08:17 pm

Now that made me crack up!

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February 10, 2021 at 11:56 am

I hope you are right about Barry. It’s very hard to tell what he is in terms of the scheme and how aggressive or physical it will be. He has been all over the shop over his career. I just hope he is competent and hasn’t lost the confidence to go after the opponent.

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February 10, 2021 at 02:49 pm

He knows Fangios attacking 3/4 and has run 4-2/4-3 schemes. Teach all of them. Get smarter players if they need to get everyone on the same page.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:38 pm

How many CBS do we need? Six healthy ones on our game day 21. So yeah, you have to keep drafting them.

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kbrinkmann's picture

February 10, 2021 at 07:05 pm

The team that just won the Super Bowl runs a the 3-4. At this point, the only real distinction between the two is a different language. There are a lot of different styles within the 3-4. The Rams played just as many guys in coverage as we did, but were more creative up front, helping Aaron Donald get more looks. The 3-4 language seems to also work fine for the Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, Patriots, Giants, and Cardinals, who ranked higher than our defense last year.

You may be right about King, but the biggest recurring problem with him has been his rotten luck with injuries. Perhaps that will improve on another team? His athletic testing scores were elite when drafted.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 10, 2021 at 11:07 am

I laugh at all those saying they didn't watch or mostly ignored it while watching it. Personally, when I lose, I want to say I lost to the Champion. Even at the very least, it sounds better than all the whining from so many here.

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Fabio's picture

February 10, 2021 at 01:33 pm

thumbs up

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flackcatcher's picture

February 10, 2021 at 03:44 pm

RIC. Give the man credit, he rivals Brady in expanding and keeping his brand relevant... King was the end of a total Team Failure at the Half. At any point Lafleur should have called for or called a Time Out himself. Tampa's offensive tempo was beating Green Bay's defensive sets. It was well known after the Colts game that Lafleur made sure that he would make the call on the sideline. And yes, Someone should have made that call, maybe Amos didn't feel he could make that call. Pettine was too easy as a scapegoat covering Lafleur's failures as HC. The Berry hiring. Ugh. Just a bad DC period. In a contract year for Lafleur no less. Gute just put Lafleur on the clock. Great as always Al...

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Packers0808's picture

February 10, 2021 at 05:41 pm

Nickname for the PLAY AT HALF TIME, THE DUCK KING!

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PatrickGB's picture

February 11, 2021 at 11:13 am

I have no answers. But I wish that I did. Maybe the new coaches would on last years team. This year’s team is going to be worse because of the talent drain due to the smaller salary cap. When we draft at the bottom of the order for decades and have an expensive QB then it’s hard to do more with less. I think that we outperformed expectations. I hated the ending but loved the journey.

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February 11, 2021 at 02:22 pm

I vote for the Mikey PP Whoopsie..

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jlc1's picture

February 12, 2021 at 10:00 am

Maybe "Should've held him". Certainly would have been better than when he did get called for holding.

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