Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Oh My Yosh

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

Yosh - As I was watching, I was surprised to see how much they were letting Yosh go without help in the first half. And he was handling it. The second half was more of what I expected to see, with some TE and RB help. 

 

Bosa - If you had seen Nick Bosa play for the first time yesterday, you wouldn't have been overly impressed. Didn't get to the QB and got pancaked at least twice by Tight Ends that I saw.

Preston - Hey, Preston Smith is a pretty good football player when he's not asked to cover wide receivers. How about that?

King - Kevin who? It's going to suck when the Packers throw him back out there - and you know they will.

Rodgers - He went from some horrible throws week one to a mix of really good/poor throws week two to very few poor throws in week three. I don't care what Rodgers says, his inactivity over the summer and lack of any preseason live snaps affected his accuracy. Only now is he rounding into form.

A-Mas-ing: This tweet says it all:

 

Dumb and Dumber - If I were the angry type, I'd be busy spackling three holes in my walls. To have the lead in the fourth quarter, and take three deep shots to go three and out and hand the ball back to your opponent - I can't think of a stupider thing to do in that situation. LaFleur? Rodgers? Who is responsible?

Barnes/Summers/Burks - I don't think it's any coincidence the 49ers offense got untracked when Barnes went out with a concussion. Barnes is no All-Pro, but even still, there's a big drop-off when the latter two have to play every snap - what you see is lots of running around with little accomplished.

De'Vondre Campbell - Astute observations are not always Chris Collinsworth's thing, but he was dead on when he said it's hard to imagine where the Packers' defense  would be if they hadn't picked up Campbell. I'm still wondering why a guy who has been as productive as he has was still unsigned so late in the free agent game. He had four straight years of 90+ tackles and is now averaging just over 10 a game with the Packers. 

Referees - The Packers got the calls and non-calls in the first half, the Niners in the second half. Not sure which were more egregious but I just hate when it becomes a focal point.

Which of the Officials' Calls or Non-Calls Was the Worst of the Worst?

Jaire roughing the passer
8% (7 votes)
No intentional grounding called
38% (33 votes)
Hit on Davante
34% (30 votes)
Tripping while being held
3% (3 votes)
Stokes PI (either one)
13% (11 votes)
Something else (comment below)
5% (4 votes)
Total votes: 88

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Mario Willis's picture

September 29, 2021 at 06:08 am

I can honestly see how the refs missed the HELMET to HELMET on Adams if that sort of contact hadn't been such a point of interest for years now. The worst thing about SUNDAY was Boger's team blowing calls and granting chances. This has to end.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:52 am

2 teams play not 3. Officials should never shape a game and a league that takes itself seriously should take every step to minimize errors and weed out the most frequent offenders. For me that would be much easier with full time personnel. Hardly a new observation. It’s not like it was only our game that swung on bad calls even this week. Ask the Lions, for example.

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HarryHodag's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:39 am

The replay showed the defender's shoulder pad hitting Adams, not the helmet. That is why Adams returned to action so quickly. He had the wind knocked out of him not a concussion.

In old school football, that was a routine hit.

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:23 am

Yes in old school football that was a routine hit and it's why so many of the players from those years currently suffer from dementia and numerous other mental afflictions. The SF player lead with his helmet against a defenseless receiver. In this era that is a penalty. The league is always proclaiming that they are doing everything they can to improve player safety. They failed miserably on that play with Adams.

In this era with replays and camera angles from everywhere that call needed to made. Unless of course the NFL would prefer to dilute their product by allowing their premier players to be lost for part or all of the season because they fail to enforce the rules they allegedly put inlace to protect their players. I have seen that penalty called on much less egregious hits on other players. The league needs to reach some level of consistency in their officiating or the rules and the games become meaningless. Thanks, Since '61

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HawkPacker's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:17 pm

Very good '61. Also, I think that the officials should be able to go back and review the play to determine if there was a targeting call of some sort to be called. It's apparent that this is not allowed at this time but some type of review needs to be available in the future. Maybe the coach can throw the red flag???

Also, how can there possibly be a down vote?

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:48 pm

HawkPacker, I can’t answer on the down vote. But I appreciate your supporting comment and I agree with your points about reviewing the play.

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Minniman's picture

September 29, 2021 at 03:33 pm

“The SF player lead with his helmet against a defenseless receiver. In this era that is a penalty”

Advancing this point - there’s only 1 way where the defender gets the timing right and this is considered a ‘good’ shot…… and a multitude of ways to get it wrong and someone gets hurt (including the defender).

Frankly, if the second player into a tackle (important point here) even remotely looks like leading with a helmet or come near the helmet of the receiver, this should be penalised - get it out of the game.

Coaches should also be allowed to challenge more professional fouls - sure initially it will be a penalty-fest and a bit ugly, but eventually teams will stop coaching dangerous and illegal play.

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PhantomII's picture

September 30, 2021 at 06:04 am

The ref was out of position to make the call 10-15 yds in front instead of behind the action. That being said, would not mind a team flag thrown if we had even 1 time out available at this juncture. I must have seen a couple hundred commercials in the game. That is what is beyond ridiculous these days. The NFL can sell another commercial per flag. That's what will get movement on their end.

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HawkPacker's picture

October 01, 2021 at 12:46 pm

Phantom that would be fine by me.

If I am watching the Packers on my TV at home, I generally start watching it about an hour into the game so I can skip all the commercials. I hate commercials and feel that spending time watching that garbage is time I will never get back~;-((

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Bure9620's picture

September 29, 2021 at 06:59 am

After re-watch, I was impressed with Yosh's feet. He is still a little raw, he can improve his technique but this is coachable. His athleticism and feet make up for it as he can recover quickly. I am wondering if they believe Yosh can be the main swing tackle or potentially the future starter at RT if Tuner is a cap casualty. As good as Jenkins is at Tackle, I really prefer him at guard as he plays guard at an all pro level.

I am all in on Stokes being corner 2 now. He was solid, allowed a few receptions but he needs to jump King now and get those reps this season. King needs a change of scenery, maybe a new team, trade him to a team hit with injures at corner before the deadline if possible. Considering a chunk of his contract is voided and monopoly money, this shouldn't be impossible.

I also agree on Rodgers...his misses are more frequent now. Maybe inactivity but he is not the QB he was. Still a very good QB before other posters lose it on me for criticism, but the deep shots are too often now I agree. They don't hit, 3 and out, defense back on the field getting gassed. They NEED to sustain drives with a lead.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:16 am

I'm not a King apologist, but I think this team is going to need Kevin King, yet. Yes, I agree that his place isn't in the starting lineup anymore, but I'll be shocked if there isn't a point later in this season when injuries--especially in-game--force him to play a lot of snaps. We as a fan base are pretty sensitive to his play and his gaffes, but he's still going to be better than any street FA CB you're going to find out there (or Yiadom). He's looking like the 4th CB at the moment, and if you compare him to most other 4th CBs out there, he's not too shabby. There's a reason why teams roster 10-11 DBs...

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Bure9620's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:43 am

Possibly dobber, but I am not sure. I am not a King apologist either, actually was not displeased with the signing but he has been very bad. In week one, his completion rate was 100% with no MichaelThomas on the field....He beat badly bu Quintez Cephus to..who is not a burner.....That just isn't going to get it done. Not sure if it is mental or not a fit with Barry's scheme but King liley just needs a change of scenery. A young player could give similar production.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:50 am

If you ask Kevin King to play off coverage, today or 3 years ago, you know what to expect and you will get exactly that. He has never had that ability. Hopefully this is a lesson Barry has learned rather than the result of illness. King isn’t terrible if you play him to his strengths, he’s depth (or should be) fortunately now because Stokes has shown himself to be both a better fit in the scheme and, while raw, more likely to make a play.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 29, 2021 at 04:56 pm

King vs Kittle is the matchup the Packers wanted. Sullivan was completely run over by Kittle for most of the game. (Alexander is already playing at an all-pro level. His understanding of the Kittle route saved a touchdown when Sullivan whiffed on his tackle. A problem that got worse as the game went into the 4th quarter)

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:26 pm

Savage should have manned vs Kittle.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 30, 2021 at 04:38 pm

Not in the nickel. Sullivan gets natural bracket if he stays in his cover area. Either Savage or Amos would be high depending on who is playing one high or if they are in cover two. Kittle is special, and does demand high-low when he is out in route. His ability to hide his route off the line is outstanding. Packers knew Sullivan was outmatched from the start.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 30, 2021 at 07:52 pm

Exactly, with Savage one high you are wasting his talent.

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vagem55's picture

September 29, 2021 at 06:34 am

I didn't see it live, but you called it in your 3 plays article. How can you not include the missed block in the back on Summers on the kick return? That turned the game around.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:52 am

I thought there were several pivotal non-calls, including that one. The non-call on the grounding gave them 7 points and momentum. The non-call on the Adams hit cost us possession when we were trying to nail the coffin shut gave SF one last chance.

On the road, dealing with injuries, on a night when the refs are boning you. That’s a real win.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:53 am

I thought there were several pivotal non-calls, including that one. The non-call on the grounding gave them 7 points and momentum. The non-call on the Adams hit cost us possession when we were trying to nail the coffin shut gave SF one last chance.

On the road, dealing with injuries, on a night when the refs are boning you. That’s a real win.

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NickPerry's picture

September 29, 2021 at 06:36 am

I voted something else because i thought they were ALL just horrible, HORRIBLE calls/non calls by the Refs though the two that had me up and screaming at my TV as though they could actually hear me in Northern California was the hit on Adams and the intentional grounding.

Either one was SO blatant, so obvious, I find it impossible to believe they could miss it. That crew should never be allowed to work another Sunday Night Football Game...EVER. Put them on games in Chicago where the team just sucks anyways... Except when GB comes to visit that is.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:06 am

I think the Alexander "roughing the QB", Non call on the Adams hit and the 2nd Stokes DPI were the worst 3.

The Stokes 2nd DPI was a joke. The WR falling down when Stokes never touched him. That was on a 3rd and 14. They gained 25 yards. Packers just went up 24-14 and would have gotten the ball back after just scoring. Instead they drove down and got a TD.
Another penalty that hasn't gotten much talk was the Holding call on Sullivan. He never held. Not that it would have changed anything, but it would have been 3rd and goal at the 3. That was on the same drive that Stokes got called.

Alexander wasn't late, hit him in the back with 2 hands. This drive ended in JImmy G fumbling.

The reason why I said that Adams is the worst is because in the league that they are supposed to be about safety, they have a play like that happen, and there isn't a flag? There used to be a thing called defenseless WR.
Then we hear from the booth ref that the reason why it was missed was because the moved the ref up. Convenient.

I have to add, the non intentional grounding call was Horrible. That really changed the game. Instead of going into half 17-0, It became 17-7, which then by the time Rodgers touched the ball next it was 17-14. Whole new game.

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murf7777's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:34 am

On Stokes PI, I think he had his hand on his shoulder, but with no extension or movement while the WR was diving/falling to try and catch the ball. During replay, The hand sure didn’t seem like it caused any movement by the WR and was a very tricky tack call.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:30 pm

Vegas approved.

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egbertsouse's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:13 am

I refuse to get into bitching about officiating. It is what it is. The officials stink, across the board. My God, they missed a delay of game by about 5 seconds in the Detroit game. That’s the easiest call there is. Roger doesn’t give a crap, bad officiating equals media hits. Deal with it, people.

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Razer's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:29 am

Thank you egbertsouse. Play hard, outwork your opponent and the refs won't get in the way. Packers let the 49ers back into this game and brought the refs with them. If you are complaining about the officials, your team isn't doing enough to win the game.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:00 am

I think this is part of what was encouraging: by and large, this team worked on Sunday.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2021 at 01:50 pm

I see nothing bad in berating the league for not doing anything about incompetence of that magnitude. The last time that happened they at least brought the strike to an end, but I for one don’t want to have to pay a similar price as that took again.

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Guam's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:15 am

There is no excusing the blown intentional grounding call or perhaps the hit on Davante, but I am coming to the conclusion that the pass interference rules are all but impossible to fairly adjudicate. Not even the booth announcers watching in slow motion can always figure out whether it was or wasn't PI. That rule needs to be changed to something that can be understood by all concerned.

This wasn't a good game by the refs, but not all of the on-field mess is their fault. The league needs to fix some of its rules.

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Razer's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:41 am

...This wasn't a good game by the refs, but not all of the on-field mess is their fault. The league needs to fix some of its rules...

Totally agreed. Too many rules and too subjective. Tough to be objective in a hostile environment when almost anything can be a flag.

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Turophile's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:48 am

+1
The current rules are sub-optimal in terms of allowing refs to make natural calls. they have to go by the rules as written, and while they can use interpretation to go a little bit towards natural calls, they must still obey the rules as written.

Often, when you try to tighten up the rules, all you do is make them so complex and rigid they just don't work properly. Sometimes the best thing you can do is outline a rule in general terms, which leaves the refs enough room to make the best call on the field. I get that this opens the possibility to different interpretations, but that can be minimised if the zebras meet up sometimes and work through each rule to get a rough consensus in interpretation.

As for refs missing things, it happens, it always will happen, you just have to shrug and move on.

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Guam's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:41 am

Agreed Turophile. I think the current PI rule is too structured right now. I would prefer to leave more to the ref's judgement as to whether the defender interfered with the receiver's ability to catch the pass and leave it at that. Yes, there will be variations from ref to ref, but it has always been that way. You need to adjust your game to how the ref is calling it. You just want consistency more than anything else.

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murf7777's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:44 am

Turophile….about the refs I couldn’t said it better. They are human and are prone to making mistakes. Just as each and every one of us. I’ve seen Packers games officiated like this many times. It’s unfortunate, but is part of the game. Good teams tend to get thru the calls that go against them by playing better than their opponent. Sometimes, it still can cost a game, but that goes for every team. It will never change so I try not to bitch about it, except when I throw a foam brick at the TV…:)

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jurp's picture

September 30, 2021 at 08:41 am

Another impossible rule is apparently Roughing the Passer. How is it a penalty when a player touches a QB who then doesn't even fall down?

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CoachDino's picture

September 30, 2021 at 03:40 am

I can certainly understand that attitude on calls, but imo it should certainly be a topic of discussion. Watching the game I form an opinion but I am still interested in what the masses have to say and if there is some technical point that I missed.

Plus, Coaches, players, teams, Working the refs is part of most sports that I am familiar with, which includes sending tape to the NFL Office. Now Im clueless as too how much impact working the refas has at these levels but being human beings its bound to have some. I reffed many sports at the rec level, mostly through college, and I found myself at times looking to "make up" on a call I'd miss, not good on my part, but there.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:18 am

Yosh -
I was first suprised when they started Yosh. I thought for sure they would move Turner over and have Kelly play RT. Then I was surprised on the first drive when they really didn't give Yosh a ton of help. Yosh did struggle a little, but he did settle in nicely. It did help with TE's and RB's chipping and whatnot. But making his first start, in a tough environment against one of the best pass rushers in the league, he more then held his own.

Bosa -
This wasn't the same Bosa that ruined our game plan 2 times a few years ago. But that being said our game plan this time was perfect. Getting the ball out fast, chipping on Bosa. Making sure he didn't ruin the game for us.

Preston -
Preston may not have a ton of sacks to his name at this point through 3 games (1 sack), but he has been causing a lot of problems for offenses. And not only in the pass game, but in the run game. He has been much better about setting a strong edge.

King -
My guess is he will be thown in the slot now, or if they move Alexander to the slot, they will put him outside there. Stokes is CB2.

Rodgers -
I think the offseason was a bigger issue then the preseason games honestly. Some preseason game work probably would help too, but I think its the offseason. Offseason is where you work on timing and other things. Rodgers didn't have any of that.

A-Mas-ing:
Just thinking back, how many coaches/GMs would would have gotten rid of Crosby when he was struggling. Since then he has been nearly automatic. I don't want any other kicker then Crosby.

Dumb and Dumber -
The part I didn't like was in the 4th quarter, the drive that they kicked a FG to go up by 6. It was 3rd and 4, and Rodgers throws up a bad pass to Adams about 20 yards down field. Whatever happened to when you need 4 yards you aim to get 5? Rodgers has the freedom to do it because has so many times before. I just would have liked to have seen them get the first time and bleed more time off the clock.

Barnes/Summers/Burks -
If Barnes can't go, I am in the McDuffie fan club. I get Summers has more experience, he just simply isn't good enough. I want to see McDuffie in there. No clue if he is going to be any better, I just am tired of Summers.

De'Vondre Campbell -
Campbell has honestly been a pleasant surprise. And I completely agree with Collinsworth. Without Campbell our LB's would look horrible right now. Campbell is a really good fit for this style of defense too.

Referees -
The calls the Packers got were at least legit. Not sure what non calls they got in the first half. The calls that the 49ers got were game changing types. Stokes 1st pass interference was a bad call but can at least see why it got called. His 2nd? That changed the game. They stopped them on 3rd down instead of getting the ball back the 49ers got 35 yards and a first down. The roughing the QB call on Alexander, when he hit the QB in the back with 2 hands. Another first down. And then no hitting a defenseless WR?
It was just a joke which almost cost the Packers a game.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:33 am

"Rodgers throws up a bad pass to Adams about 20 yards down field. Whatever happened to when you need 4 yards you aim to get 5? "

Those are risk/reward plays. When you make them you're "gutsy" and have "swagger" and "a killer instinct". When you miss, you curse and then hold your breath that it doesn't cost you. That's what the NFL has become...it's not just GB.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:14 am

I agree Dobber. And lets be honest, if he puts it where he should have it likely would have been a TD. SO we would all be praising him. I just would like to get the yards we need when the game is on the line. If they get that first down, they have at least 3 more shots to get a TD. Just get the first down.

The NFL has changed. How many times have we seen teams give up points to go for a 1st down or TD. How many times do they go for it on 4th down rather then punt. The league has definitely changed.

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PeteK's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:28 am

Yes it has, more exciting now.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:02 am

You say that 4th down/punt thing, but I'm a firm believer that teams SHOULD be going for more 4th downs: especially 4th and short in positive field position. They are doing this more, and it's leading to more scoring.

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BAMABADGER's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:46 pm

At that 3rd down and game situation, AR should line up the troops and ask himself... "WWTBD?"

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:40 pm

King needs to be moved. The energy with him out of the lineup was palpable and almost karmic for the D. The guy is not an NFL level CB.

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Philarod's picture

September 30, 2021 at 07:13 am

Good points across the board, RC.

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stockholder's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:28 am

That OL was pretty impressive. Such low draft picks, playing so well together. Exceeded my expectations. I enjoyed this game. It was a good test for a bad Defense. We had to see if this defense is capable. Campbell has filled a big void. But some of these guys just disappeared during the game. I guess you want to give them a pass because they reappeared in the end. But I can't believe you left out Lowrey. Slamming King won't help anything. ThInk positive. AND "How" did Alexander make that Int. Just Wow! No matter how bad the REfs were. I liked the fact; that the leaders on this team stepped up.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:06 am

Alexander has instinct and the ability to read the field and realize that he was a spare wheel in his original coverage. Add those to a player with elite physical skills and you have something incredibly rare. The last player we had with all 3 was Woodson.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:43 pm

Woodson would have leveled Garrapolo on that blitz.

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jurp's picture

September 30, 2021 at 08:45 am

If merely touching a QB is a penalty, then why NOT level him to get the same penalty?

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Turophile's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:04 am

I so often disagree with your takes, that I get surprised when I completely agree with what you say. That is the case here, I agree with all (well, most) of what you say.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:36 am

DeVondre Campbell was my preseason choice for the underappreciated/undervalued guy on this team. That ILB spot makes all the tackles, whether it was Martinez or even Kirksey, in the 3-4 and is on the field for virtually all the snaps. He's not an all-pro, but he's a better rounded player than they've had in that role (read: coverage) and he's durable (knock on wood). It's possible that if he continues to play well, he might get his contract reworked.

As for Barnes. He just can't stay on the field. Always dinged...shoulders, broken bones, concussions...but even when he went out, the Packers stuck primarily with two ILBs to keep Jimmy G throwing.

Mason Crosby has become so automatic that I don't even worry anymore when he goes out there. At this point, why would he even consider retirement? Consummate pro and all-around good guy.

I was all but certain that with all the OL picks recently and his inability to get on the field in 2020, Nijman's goose was cooked this year and he'd be a cut. I was as surprised as anyone to see him open at LT on Sunday night and expected they'd be shuffling the OL to get him off the field in short order, but he held up well and was a big reason why they won. I don't want to romanticize his play and won't anoint him the future at LT, but I'm eating crow on him.

Packers are looking prescient on Preston Smith at this point, reworking his deal and keeping a valuable depth player rather than chucking him for modest cap relief. He's a good player when used right and if Z's back is a continued problem, who knows what his future holds. I don't think he survives the impending purge in GB, but he might play his way into being a trade piece and getting the Packers a little compensation.

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Guam's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:58 am

I don't know Dobber, Preston could well be the keeper and Z gets traded or cut. Don't get me wrong, Z is the better player and maybe the best defender on the team, but bad backs often never completely heal. Preston has played very well so far this year and has been 100% available. I think Z's availability during the remainder of the season is going to go a long way toward determining whether he or Preston get cut for cap relief.

The other issues with Z are: (1) how much is he going to want for his contract extension and (2) why did Z's teammates NOT vote for him as a defensive captain? Issue #2 surprised me and maybe speaks to a locker room issue....?

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:03 am

Very much agree.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:46 pm

that's very plausible. Backs worry me. OTOH, Preston came into camp in year two of deal overweight and had to take a straight pay cut to stay for year 3. To keep Preston, GB has to extend him prior to his 4th year on his original FA contract. That means in GB a big signing bonus given to him at 29 and he turns 30 in November of next season. The extension is probably for 2023 (31) through 2026 (age 34). Usually those are 2 or 3 years until there is a decent out.

So, back vs. work ethic?

To be fair, I don't know for sure that there is a work ethic issue with Preston, just looking at what fans can see, which ain't everything.

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Guam's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:40 am

Great win by the Packers and lots of positives from many different sources (except the officiating). A concern continues to be MLF's in-game decision making. If he takes the field goal on the fourth and one at the goal line in the first half, there is no drama in this game. The Packers win without any heroics in the last 37 seconds. MLF violated one of the oldest coaching maxims in the game: Take the points, ALWAYS take the points.

The fans can laugh about this mistake now since the Packers won the game. But what if Crosby misses that 51 yarder? The Packers would have given away a game they should have won without any drama. Coaching maxims hold a great deal of truth. You never know how a game is going to turn out when you are making a decision in the second quarter. ALWAYS take the damn points Matt!!!!

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:47 am

I go back to the point that with this game script, the only reason why we view this as a good win is because we have respect for SF. If the Packers went to Jacksonville or Detroit, went up 17-0 early, and had to win in heroic fashion like this, I think the mood around here would be far different.

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Guam's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:05 am

Fair point Dobber. Perspective is always interesting. SF may be a good team and not make the playoffs simply because they play in a brutal division. I would not want to play six games against the Rams, Cardinals and Seahawks this year.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 06:36 pm

,,,the three the Packers have to play will be plenty.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:19 am

That coach and his teams, when not decimated, have given us fits. That we played them well and intelligently apart from one sequence of 3 plays is worthy of celebration.

There are some reasons for why this was close that do not involve offense, defense or the calling thereof. One is the non call of intentional grounding to end the half. The other, and much much more important one, that I think is being overlooked is the ST screw up that got us to that play. Yes, there was a hold (there often is), but our ST coverage units are still worse than any other team I’ve seen this year (I’ve not seen all). We have looked shaky at other times too. Crosby’s kick was nearly blocked as well.

Drayton is not the reason why Crosby is good or that we have a better punter. His job is primarily on coverage and blocking on kicks and punts and so far I see very little to support confidence. That’s the issue that I think is being overlooked.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:54 pm

Amen! Having a kicker who already was automatic is not to Drayton's credit. Crosby's difficulty with kicking for touchbacks means Drayton has to coach the coverage teams.

Getting a pretty darn good punter isn't to Drayton's credit.

GB averages 8.3 yards/punt return (just 3 returns) but allows 11.3. Not good.
GB is averaging 22.0/Kick return and allows 31.6. Not good.

STs will rank better than in the past. I don't see that any credit is due to Drayton.

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Razer's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:22 am

...A concern continues to be MLF's in-game decision making. If he takes the field goal on the fourth and one at the goal line in the first half, there is no drama in this game...

I'll go one further Guam and ask why this team ignores Dillon or even running the ball. Aaron Jones waltzed into the end zone earlier. O-line was playing strong and we have the TEs and backs to make it happen. Instead we scrambled to get a play off on a 4th and short. We have lots of tools in the toolbox but rarely chose to use much beyond Aaron finding the open man. Until the offense embraces bigger concepts, I would trot the field goal unit onto the field on every 4th down.

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Guam's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:45 am

Excellent point about Dillon. Why did they draft a 250 pound running back if they aren't going to use him in short yardage situations? Although in this case I would still prefer to take the points.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:07 am

I would argue that they don't have an offensive line built to his running style at the moment. Dillon's not the edge runner that Jones can be. He's more between the tackles/one-cut, and he's seeing contact early in his carries. Most big backs are most effective if they can build up some steam.

Now, I would be lying if on those downs in-game I said I wasn't throwing up my hands saying "where's Dillon!"

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:09 am

Dillon is proving to be a little slow for the NFL, especially against the better defensive teams. They get to him before he can build up a head of steam that would allow to break tackles and bowl over people. He was a great college runner in a less than top tier conference.

He may need to drop a few pounds to pick up a little extra speed. Yes, he had a good day last season against the Titans D but they were a long way from a top tier NFL defense in 2020.

Maybe Dillon just needs more snaps but as long as Jones is healthy he is going to be our backup RB and receive a limited number of snaps because Jones is a threat to score from anywhere on the field. Thanks, Since '61

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Razer's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:05 pm

...Dillon is proving to be a little slow for the NFL, especially against the better defensive teams. They get to him before he can build up a head of steam that would allow to break tackles and bowl over people...

Dillon is more between the tackles kind of guy but he has speed and he can catch out of the backfield. When leaned on, Dillon carries the load - he just isn't called on for much. If nothing else, Dillon in the backfield in a goal-line situation would do wonders for the receivers. Make the defense play the whole team - not just Rodgers to Adams.

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:36 pm

Razer I agree on the goal line and short yardage situations. If nothing else we should be using Dillon as a lead blocked for Jones or running a fake to Jones and a give to Dillon and vice- versa. Maybe we’ll see more of Dillon as the season grinds on. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2021 at 02:00 pm

LaFleur used Dillon to keep SF’s front 7 honest. It worked fairly effectively. He consistently moves the pile. That is a big plus. Dillon is the type of player that often does better later in a season, but he’s managing to give us a different dimension because we can pound out a tough yard or two despite fairly poor run blocking in the middle thus far.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:08 pm

Dillon has speed, but there are different kinds of speed.

10 yard dash: 1.51 seconds for Aaron Jones.
10 yard dash: 1.64 seconds for A J dillon.

Dillon looks a little slow to the hole to me. It might be there isn't a hole.

Dillon is big and strong. PFF had him averaging 2.5 yards after contact against SF in which he averaged 3.0 yards per carry. Not sure if it is the OL (perhaps the explanation for Newman's poor grades) or Dillon.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:52 pm

No Fullback on the field for the lead-draw. Dafney inactive and Deguara being held back to protect his noggin. Gutedkunst would be wise to scour the used car lots for a serviceable FB, especially before negative weather shows up. No need for a finesse team in the red zone. We all know that story.

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:04 am

Razor - If MLF takes the FG on 4th and goal and we kick the following KO out of the end zone and SF drives 40+ yards form their own 25 they get into Packers territory and probably successfully kick an FG.

Instead we went for it, failed and SF started inside their own 10 yard line, drove a little over 40 yards to midfield and punted the ball back to us. We took over on our own 13 and drove 87 yards for a TD. The ultimate result was at least a 4 point swing in the Packers favor not to mention a 17-0 lead versus a 13-0 lead.

MLF made the decision based on the field position, the time in the game, the current score, his own offense's on field talent and the fact that his defense was playing very well at that point in the game. It would have been better if the defense managed a 3 and out but even forcing a punt from mid-field worked out for the Packers based on the ensuing 87 yards TD drive.

MLF's decision to go for it was not the problem. The problem was our KO coverage allowing a big return and the officials missing an obvious block in the back in the ensuing KO after we went up 17-0. That was the play that allowed the game to become close.

You would have a cmpletely different comment if the Packers scored on the 4th and goal decision. Your comment is based on the result of the play rather than the strategy behind it which was very sound at the time.
Stay well. Thanks, Since '61

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Razer's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:14 am

I do not have a problem with us going for it on 4th and goal. Your thinking is right on this front. I do have a problem with trying a bunch of passes then scrambling to get a 4th down off with zero seconds on the play clock. If we want to keep defenses honest and guessing on these goal-line attempts then let's use more tools and be more organized.

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:43 pm

Agree, this is an issue where MLFs decision making and play calling is not as crisp as it needs to be. During the weekly game planning MLF and Rodgers should identify which plays they will use in that situation. Once MLF decides to go for it Rodgers should be allowed to call the play and get the offense set with plenty of time on the play clock. Hackett and/or MLF tinkering with the play call should be unnecessary. Let Rodgers call the play with the appropriate audibles and just execute. There is no excuse for these communication and decision issues at the professional level. It shows a lack of pregame preparation. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jurp's picture

September 30, 2021 at 08:53 am

To your point, if the plays were in a sense scripted as you suggest, and AR calls the play at the line, then we can run hurry-up and get mismatches that way. Of course, if AR calls the play it will always be a pass, and if it's a pass it'll go to Adams.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:54 pm

Your yin , his yang. On the road, take the points....

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Razer's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:44 am

The Packers made that game way closer than it should have been. Needing 37 second heroics and a 50+ yard field goal was not how that game needed to end. We should have put that game in the books by the end of the 3rd quarter. We were running the ball very well, quick passing well and being creative on offense early in the game. By the fourth quarter we were going 3 and out on long balls.

In truth I didn't expect the Packers to go out to San Fran and dominate that team and the 1st half. They showed me something that I suspected was there but not seen enough evidence to hang on to. We cheer the Rodgers to Adams show and Rodgers threading needles at the expense of a well balanced attack that, early in the game, really beat up on a good defense. I'll take the win but ask the why until the team shows that it can play smarter ball.

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Todd's picture

September 29, 2021 at 07:53 am

Excellent piece, Al. Particularly liked the "Dumber and Dumber" section. Just like when they went all pass on the two drives in the NFC Championship Game last January, those 3 passes and the corresponding 3 and out were a massive head scratcher.

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michaelturi's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:02 am

How did Matt LaFleur get Rodgers to throw in 2 seconds. MM tried for years and couldn't get 2.5 seconds. This is really a game changer.

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Turophile's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:16 am

Not an easy thing to do, but I think Rodgers is more on-board with La Fleur's gameplanning than he ever was with McCarthy's.................. and that means he isn't tuning him out.

A 2.05 sec average 'snap to throw' time makes it very hard for even a very good D line to get home.

PS Regarding Barnes, he is a real find (especially for an undrafted player). He'll never be considered a top guy at ILB but he IS good enough - and all teams absolutely rely on many positions in their team having relatively cheap players who are reliable enough and smart enough to have a good career.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:00 pm

Rodgers ran a fast release offense at Cal. He can do anything he is ASKed to do.

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Philarod's picture

September 30, 2021 at 07:25 am

I get your point, but When did McCarthy's offense ever scheme guys open?
At times, does Rodgers seem to pass up a sure 5-yard gain to go for something bigger? Yes.

But think about it - during the MM years and at times during the MLF years so far: If Rodgers did not improvise and buy time for targets to get open, the Packers would have been about a 7-9 team. At best. It's hard to shut off instincts that not only made AR what he was/is, but also made a mediocre team a viable contender all those years.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:13 am

Excellent observations Al. Thanks.

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PackerWacky's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:17 am

Appreciate that someone else noticed the dumb and dumber. Seems like a pattern where we do that a lot in the third quarters. I’d also like to know if this is planned.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:02 pm

They seek the killing blow in the third as there is recovery for risk in the fourth quarter and as we have seen, with protection, he can deliver in 37 seconds.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:35 am

Al, good point about the referees. The referees who work the Super Bowl are chosen by their performance during the regular season games. Expect the referees who worked the Packers/49ers game to be sitting on the bench during this years game.

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jurp's picture

September 30, 2021 at 08:56 am

I'd like to see them sitting on the bench permanently. Haven't seen such crappy officiating since Triplett (ref #42, if you remember) haunted the field.

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nostradanus's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:35 am

Yosh b’ Gosh - that’s why they develop these guys for years. Every once in awhile someone pans out and helps win a huge game. Good job by coaching staff & scouting dept.

Preston Smith - why they ever had him in coverage is baffling. Smith is good moving forward and setting the edge. Note to Defensive Coordinator, over complicate things!

King - as a backup he will be fine and there will come a time this season when he is needed.

Rodgers - He created his own drama and surely deserves the criticism. But damn, Rodgers can back it up too! Glad he’s here for one more run!

Crosby - The Silver Fox is aging like fine wine 🍷 but Tonyan almost cost them the game with that pathetic whiff that almost got the kick blocked! Definitely a Special Teams teaching moment.

ILB - Campbell has been everything Kirksey was not.
Barnes is steady but has shown a tendency to get dinged a lot! Burks and Summers gotta go! The Packers need to go rummage around at the ILB flea market and find a veteran backup that can actually play football. How the Packers can go year after year without addressing this position is maddening, maddening!!
🤨
ND

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CheesyTex's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:36 am

ILB -- Think Jamie Collins with his savvy and experience, assuming he is healthy, would absolutely fill the void you mention. Paired with Campbell, that combo looks capable of "covering the waterfront".

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:10 pm

He's washed up.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:00 am

Dumb and Dumber

I was disappointed we didn’t do a better job of killing the clock with a six point lead and possession. I mean, burn some time and kick a FG to make it a 9 point game.

I’m a fan of our defense, but it’s unacceptable to lose the lead late in the fourth quarter.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2021 at 10:09 am

Even if you just want to talk stoppages: incompletions stop the clock. Lean on those guys, run the ball, maybe throw a high-percentage short ball, but make SF start to worry and manage its TOs, at least.

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 08:53 pm

Yosh - I was surprised that he got the start but he did a very solid job against Bosa. He could prove to be our swing OT once Bak returns.

Preston Smith is looking good. I hope Barry continues to use him appropriately.

King - this is a case where our defense is better by subtraction. The less King plays the better our defense will be.

Rodgers - if you are correct AL and Rodgers is going to get better every week the rest of the league is in big trouble.

A-Mas-ing - The Packers have a good chance of losing Crosby, Rodgers and Adams after this season. Yikes!!!

Dumb and dumber - this was the time to try to pound the 49ers with Dillon and maybe even a change of pace with Hill. Even a 3 and out with running plays would up more clock than a 3 and out with incomplete pass plays. In fairness to the play caller Rodgers had Adams on first down and the helmet to helmet call should have been made on that play. On second down MVS pulled up lame and just couldn't complete the play. He may have a hamstring injury. If we hit either of those passes or the penalty is called we're not discussing a 3 and out series. In any case I was expecting the Packers to run the ball in that situation. but with a 6 point lead MLF/rodgers were probably going for the dagger. We'll never know.

Barnes - concussed. Sommers and Burks can't make a complete LB if we combined them into one player. They need to be confined to STs or chucked.

Campbell - is all over the field and is a significant factor in our improving defense.

Referees - terrible officiating. It is ruining my enthusiasm for watching NFL games and is the primary reason why I am down to just watching Packers games while cringing each time a flag is thrown which is far too ofter.

Great job again AL. Thanks, Since '61

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Philarod's picture

September 30, 2021 at 07:36 am

I was going to respond with something similar re: "Dumb and Dumber", and I think you did so better than I would have...I didn't notice that on the shot to MVS, and hope he's okay.

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Wrongbayfeldlman's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:02 am

The helmet to helmet, maybe maybe not because the defender tried to lead with a shoulder. BUT, Adams couldn’t have been more defenseless. Going down stretched out with a defender on his back.
I think that was the call that was missed.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:03 am

"To have the lead in the fourth quarter, and take three deep shots to go three and out and hand the ball back to your opponent - I can't think of a stupider thing to do in that situation. LaFleur? Rodgers? Who is responsible?"

I don't have any spackling to do, but I did wake up my wife with my loud reaction...

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crayzpackfan's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:05 am

Something many aren’t talking about is Amos getting called for tripping. Did he do it? Yes. But they never call that. On the same play involving Amos, he was groped so badly it was like watching the Cuomo brothers in a hotel room full of interns. Yet the offsetting holding call would’ve been helpful.

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Packers0808's picture

September 29, 2021 at 01:01 pm

Why politics here, Always has to be one I guess.

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crayzpackfan's picture

September 29, 2021 at 01:00 pm

That works too. I just plugged in the most current event to fit my analogy

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splitpea1's picture

September 29, 2021 at 11:19 am

Dumb and dumber, Part 1: Probably Rodgers, because he's been known to get antsy in these situations. Burned a timeout, too; luckily it didn't matter in the end.

Part 2: Not kicking the FG in the first half on 4th and 2 with a 10-0 lead. You're already ahead and you're not going to clinch the victory early in the second quarter anyway, so just take the chip shot FG and accumulate points. Luckily this also didn't matter in the end, or it would be getting a lot more attention.

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:26 pm

The timeout was called because the play came in with only 12 seconds left on the play clock. That was partially caused because MVS pulled up on the previous play with what looked like a pulled hamstring. He was slow getting off the field. We’ll see if he is on the injury report tomorrow.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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croatpackfan's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:07 pm

Mostly agree on all you wrote (as always), but for me is mind bogling how they called the pass over middle in the 4Q at 11:42 completed pass as it was obvious that WR had help from turf. And it was confirmed after challange.

Can anyone explain me that. It was pass that move the chains for 15 yards (to 31 in Packers territory).

All other listed mistakes was somewhat explainable (for me all of them was intentional calls to keep game alive), as they are more or less on referee's discretions. but the one I called is pure sh........

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Since'61's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:31 pm

Croat that play is another example of the inconsistency in the league’s officiating. I have seen many other similar plays ruled as an incomplete pass. It is very frustrating to watch week after week. The receiver obviously used the ground to gain control of the ball. Totally ridiculous officiating.
Be well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:16 pm

Ask Calvin Johnson....a vegas call.

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jurp's picture

September 30, 2021 at 09:01 am

Not just Vegas anymore, now that the mafi- oops, I mean now that betting houses are part of the NFL landscape.

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Packers0808's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:55 pm

Love your play on Al, with Oh my Yosh. Good one. Whether a person like Rodgers or not one thing is always almost true, he is Clutch. And Crosby is auto Crosby! Been watching Packers since 1958 and only game ever more exciting at least to me was Ice Bowl compared to Sunday evening!

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Packers0808's picture

September 29, 2021 at 12:55 pm

Love your play on Al, with Oh my Yosh. Good one. Whether a person like Rodgers or not one thing is always almost true, he is Clutch. And Crosby is auto Crosby! Been watching Packers since 1958 and only game ever more exciting at least to me was Ice Bowl compared to Sunday evening!

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marpag1's picture

September 29, 2021 at 02:40 pm

Personally, I'm not all that worked up about the Adams missed call. Yes, according to the NFL emphasis it should have been a penalty. But at some point you need to acknowledge that there will never be a solution to the problem of having to make instant decisions on bang-bang plays that are pretty impossible to judge even in super slo-mo. And I watched it on the all 22 repeatedly from different angles.

There is something a little silly about this "leading with the helmet" schtick. As most people know, the head sits directly on top of the shoulders, and it's pretty darn tough to throw your shoulder out there without bringing your head along for the ride. And given the obvious fact that your head will never be more than just a few inches away from your shoulder, there is virtually no way to keep the helmet from impacting the other player. Did Ward's helmet ever touch Adams' helmet? I think it did. Do I think that Ward was trying to "spear" Adams with the crown of the helmet? No, not at all.

And on top of that, Adams is going down to the ground, and the two players impact at about belt level. It's not like Ward was going up and trying to hit high.

It looked bad because Adams didn't move. But Adams himself admitted that a blow to the head had nothing to do with it. "It wasn't a concussion," Adams told reporters. "I went on the sideline. They evaluated, and saw right away, I was straight. More than anything, on the ground, was my chest. I was having trouble catching a breath. But, definitely good now."

95 times out of 100 that play will be called. And it should be. This time it wasn't. OK, it happens.

To me, the failure to call intentional grounding is much, MUCH harder to explain.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 29, 2021 at 09:20 pm

I thought it was a clean hit and wrote so in the game thread. People didn't agree, to say the least. With multiple replays, I moved to not sure. The language of the rule leaves a lot of judgment. You can hit a defenseless player, the only issue is where.

We've seen that on some QB sacks as well. If the hit is nasty looking, flags will fly on a reasonable percentage of the time no matter if the hit was completely legal. The NFL is moving to the notion that if it looks too nasty it's a penalty.

It looked to me like Ward's shoulder hit Adams' shoulder, and then since Ward's head has to follow, there was contact between the helmet and Adams' facemask. Probably technically a foul.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 30, 2021 at 03:37 am

OK. but than how in the world you can justify roughing the passer penalty on Jaire Alexander?

He just touch Jimmy. And Ward was targeting player already wrapped with 2 other defenders, and DA was not in situation to defend himself at all. That should be at least penalty on hitting defenseless player.

There is no way that collision would be judged as OK. To many things to consider to just pass with no call. Any of possible fouls was there for flag.

As I understood the rule, NFL wants to avoid uncontrolled collisions. That one was uncontrolled. Ward fired himself to defenseless player. That kind of act will always result in dangerous play as he was not in control of his body (including head). If his hit was controlled, he might avoid helmet to helmet.

I agree that first contact was by shoulders (breathless moments for DA are proof for that), but contact was violent and out of control what produced helmet to helmet collision. And that is penalty.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 30, 2021 at 03:38 am

double post

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marpag1's picture

September 30, 2021 at 05:44 am

Croat, the rule book (which you can access online at https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2021-nfl-rulebook/) doesn't say anything about "uncontrolled collisions." It just doesn't speak in that way. The article in question is Article 9 - Players in a defenseless posture. According to that article, I believe that the hit on Adams was illegal.

If I can quote a few passages, Adams was clearly a "defenseless player" according to the rulebook. The rule says "a player attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner" is considered defenseless. And Ward was probably guilty of "forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck."

So to me, it look like a penalty. But being "in control" doesn't really have anything to do with the rule.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 30, 2021 at 08:10 am

Thanks marpag1. I understand and know that in the rule there is no words like uncontrolled collision. I just say when you jump in the air, you are not at the control of the collision outcome and the product of that are, very often, ugly injuries.

That was the reason why I believe when you see someone who is firing himself through air, you can expect dangerous outcomes.

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marpag1's picture

September 30, 2021 at 05:14 am

"The NFL is moving to the notion that if it looks too nasty it's a penalty."

Totally agree on this, and the cynic in me will say that the NFL is probably much more concerned about its own image than it is about the health of the player. The hit on Adams definitely LOOKED bad at first, and that's why I was surprised that it did not draw the flag. But personally I really hate the notion that it's a penalty because it looked scary or because someone got hurt. That will ruin the game if the NFL takes it too far.

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CoachDino's picture

September 30, 2021 at 04:34 am

Good stuff as usual. I'm so happy for Yosh and Gute with sticking with him. I'm not anointing him but he proved now over the course of a few games that he belongs. Question? Can he develop into a starting RT?

Great call on Barnes, Summers and Burks. IMO, Ty and Oren are borderline serviceable, be it playing speed, recognition or angles they don't come close to the sideline to sideline and gap tackling that Barnes does. I do Like how they on occasion blitz Burks, its what he's best at IMO.

AR is driving me crazy and it's my own fault. I'm so ultra sensitive concerning him I can see myself making poor assessments of his play.
IMO
1)he is officially become slow and has even lost some quickness in his footwork when just moving around in the pocket. Hoping some is just indecision due to lack of reps and early season rust, to your point. As he ages he needs to take reps early to see where his athletisism is at and make adjustments. It's part of getting old in sports. I'll bet anything he's had one of those shitty moments when you failed at something you used to be able to do and you realise your body isn't what it once was.
2) Still one of the very best at making sure they are in the right formation/call at the line
3) Can still make some very special throws but he still misses some and seems to be more this year, hoping that goes again to your reps point and he improves.
4) 3 passes/3 and out in the 4th qtr = = I can't help but think IT's 85% AR fault that they insist on throwing and often deep at that, when the run seems to be the prudent choice. I put 15% on MLF for either not having the balls to stop him or knowing its probably best overall if he just lets it slide and even adjusts some of his calls to appease him.

I just see AR as a Stat chaser. when its a run situation, he knows he may have an defensive run call/formation, etc that could be exploited and he goes for it. I also don't get why they insist on passing to score from inches to a few yards. On First down! most of his TDs are less than 5 yrd passes. You have a 250LB back, a big Oline and because its AR the D still has to worry about pass, set the precedence of run, the safer option. At least then a pass might be more of a surprise.

Last thought to vent - Most of us either always were or have now come around to being satisfied with our WRs. I based a big part of my opinion on the new scheme and the assumption that the Packers would seldom if ever line up with 5 wide - empty set. Sure they may use Ajones and Tonyan but IMO it would be nice to have either a 1A/high #2 WR, I am A mvs fan but 5 wide? I'd rather him a #3 wr then, etc.... There is little time to get open, no play action and INline TE block or pass deception. WRs need to be able to get themselves open and fast. Not Lazard and MVS's strengths.

In the end, IMO, the only hope is that AR recognizes it, much like after his game 1 performance, and makes some adjustments. He just wants so badly for everyone to think he is the only reason for any success. Even if he is, which I don't believe, a good leader always deflects that type of talk/accolades to his teammates. See here I go, ultra sensitive. I hate that he refers to MLF as little matty, It's Coach Lefuer to you kid. Said it before, The Packers and AR didn't get better when MM was here at the end, what made them better was MLF and Gute. AT 37 or so AR didn't just improve so much the team started winning. He did get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, smarter or more skilled, AR is plateaued or recessing at this age, not a knock, when your peak is as high as his.

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Philarod's picture

September 30, 2021 at 07:56 am

When did he ever call MLF "Little Matty"? if I missed it, i stand corrected.

As far as accolades, he is always praising his O-line, receivers, RBs and TEs, etc. it's also not uncommon to hear him say things, like, "That was just a bad throw." Overall, he's honest, and unless he regressed suddenly, he was the best QB in the NFL last year.

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