Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - June 10 2020

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Injuries: The Packers had a magical year in 2019 with regards to injuries. After years of us whining about how snakebit the Packers were or how the training staff needed to be fired, 2019 was a breath of fresh air. It would be easy to assume they were near the top of the NFL in fewest games lost to injuries and especially injuries to critical players. Well, Football Outsiders tracks this type of thing and it's pretty shocking that in their "adjusted games lost due to injury" metric, the Packers were ranked 17th. Meaning there were 16 other teams that had better injury "luck" than the Packers. It's hard to fathom the Packers could have a better injury luck year than 2019, and yet, it's basically a 50-50 chance of happening.

Defense: In 2019, the Packers were in dime personnel 50% of the time. 50%!  They played nickel 28 percent of the time and were in their base defense on only 19 percent of their snaps. CheeseheadTV's own Aaron Nagler asked Pettine if it was mainly due to personal preference or dictated by personnel. (you can listen to Pettine's answer here - starts at the 32:25 mark). He naturally cited "lots of factors" in his answer, but it seems to be primarily personal preference for having an extra safety on the field, although not having the strongest inside 'backer room just helped to accentuate that preference. Will Kirksey and Martin be enough of a rework of the linebackers corps to change Pettine's mind about his super-heavy sub package use? With Raven Greene returning as well, my guess is not to any significant level.

Offensive Line: So, as heard in an interview with Packers.com, David Bakhtiari believes the Packers offensive line will reach a new level next year, despite losing stalwart Bryan Bulaga to free agency, DBak believes a better understanding of LaFleur's offense will make the Packers' OL even better. That will be a tall order for a line ranked in the top-10 of the NFL by various analysts. Most impressive was their #1 ranking (according to Pro Football Focus) in "average time to allow a pressure." It turns out that no other team gave their quarterback more time to throw the ball than the Packers. Of course, that often still wasn't enough for Rodgers and his propensity for holding onto the ball.

Aaron Jones: While it's going to be tough for the Packers to keep Aaron Jones, one factor that may help is the plethora of running back talent that will be on the market at the same time as Jones. There would be little reason for any team to over pay Jones with the depth of the 2020 RB free agent class:

 

Funniest thing I saw this week. This all started when Rich Ryman said the Packers basically have five years if they want to host the NFL Draft before Mark Murphy retires and someone asked if it's a known fact he plans to retire in 2025.

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

June 10, 2020 at 06:33 am

I wonder if it was just a good year around the league for injures then because I can't remember the Packers having a better year for injures in 35 years of watching them.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 10, 2020 at 07:04 am

Since Football Outsiders weights their analysis, I think Lane Taylor's injury was given more weight than fans gave it, given the performance of Elgton Jenkins.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

June 10, 2020 at 01:05 pm

But enough to make this year "average"?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 10, 2020 at 07:08 am

I almost included that list of RBs in my cap article. If the cap doesn't increase, or it actually decreases for 2021, there are some teams sitting on a ton of cap space who could probably pick up one of those RBs cheap. The same goes if any of quite a few teams have to cut premium players to get under the cap or just can't re-sign players that the team normally would.

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Guam's picture

June 10, 2020 at 07:10 am

Defense: It wasn't just the weakness at ILB that caused a heavy use of the dime defense, it was weakness at IDL too. Pettine's best defensive players were on the perimeter of this defense. That left the interior open to a good rushing attack and SF was good enough to take advantage of that. Unless Kirksey is a miracle worker, not much has changed for the 2020 season.

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PeteK's picture

June 10, 2020 at 07:32 am

Gary's development at DE could fix a good portion of that.

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Guam's picture

June 10, 2020 at 08:55 am

I think Gary and Kirksey could both be part of the answer, but we also need Keke or Hester to be better run stuffers than Lancaster and/or Lowery.

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June 10, 2020 at 09:11 am

I believe Lancaster was highly rated as a run defender. Could it have been more on the Smiths not setting the edge while still learning Pettine’s defenseive schemes?

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Guam's picture

June 10, 2020 at 10:41 am

I haven't seen his rating for last year, but it seemed he got washed out far too often. He did not anchor well against strong rushing attacks last year IMO.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 10, 2020 at 11:55 am

Murf and Guam......I would rate Lancaster as our second best run defender behind Clark.

Here’s my theory, still percolating: I think our weakness against the run is at least partially by design. We spent money and draft picks on edge rushers and DBs. We didn’t resign a real good tackler and replaced him with a cheaper guy.

Clark is on the last year of his rookie deal, so he’s still cheap. Lowry is on a modest second contract. Lancaster is cheap UDFA. Adams is on rookie deal. So is Keke.

We’d rather give up rushing yards than TD passes. We were 5th in fewest TD passes allowed and that’s a big part of why we’re 9th in scoring. High draft picks and expensive FAs are part of that, but you can’t have an entire team of high picks and expensive FAs.. Some place, you have to economize and I would say that the GM has made his choice.

If I am correct, then I wouldn’t expect us to be improved against the run this year. It also wouldn’t make any sense that we’ll pay what it’s gonna take to keep Clark.

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Oppy's picture

June 10, 2020 at 07:37 pm

Packers need to pay to keep Clark.

If you don't have a a guy who demands a double team on every snap in the middle of the line, your ends and edge rushers aren't going to get the clean looks you need them to get.

It's all part of the same system.

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June 11, 2020 at 08:24 am

Clark plays end for us. He’s not in the middle of the line.

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Oppy's picture

June 17, 2020 at 10:47 pm

I just saw this. You may want to review your game tape, Leatherhead.

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CoachDino's picture

June 10, 2020 at 09:18 pm

According to PFF Lancaster was in the bottom 20% and Lowery in the bottom 30% in the league in Run Defense

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splitpea1's picture

June 10, 2020 at 12:35 pm

That might me asking a lot; maybe someone else will be available that the Packers will be interested in signing.

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Razer's picture

June 10, 2020 at 08:57 am

Sooo true. If the likes of Lancaster and Lowry are being run through, we are all talking about A.J. Hawk tackling someone 6 or 7 yards downfield. Fix the DLine and both the linebackers and secondary get better.

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Coldworld's picture

June 10, 2020 at 12:46 pm

Lancaster and Lowry were disappointing last year, regardless of scheme speculation. We need more from them and or from others. It’s as simple as that. Improvements, even limited, from the line and the ILB position would make a big difference taken together.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 10, 2020 at 01:00 pm

If 2/3 of our starting DL was disappointing, then how were we the 9th best scoring defense in the league?

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Coldworld's picture

June 11, 2020 at 08:25 am

Partly because 1/3 is good, partly because a lot of scoring isn’t by running, partly because the worst came later, particularly Lancaster, partly because we consistently won the turnover battle.

There is always a possibility of injuries unknown being a factor. But it is also realistic to expect teams to attack with the run to prove otherwise. I happen to feel that this should be as much about the ILB position in this scheme. Hopefully they mesh better this year and we have more depth at both.

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ShawnO's picture

June 10, 2020 at 11:06 am

I think you need to go back and watch the NFC Championship game again. When SF ran up the middle of the Packers D, they stopped the RB at or near the LOS about 50% of the time. When SF ran straight at the OLB or outside the Packers almost never stopped the RB without gaining at least 4 yards.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 10, 2020 at 01:13 pm

That’s kind of how I saw it. The real gashing runs were off tackle over the left side. But a lot of times the OLB had coverage responsibilities..... or they were being combo-blocked by a tackle and TE.

After that game, and the review of the film, we converted a DL to TE, resigned Lewis, and drafted Deguara and Dillon.

But that’s probably just a coincidence, right?

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Coldworld's picture

June 10, 2020 at 12:48 pm

The TE conversion was mid regular season. So I don’t think you can tie that to the Championship game.

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June 10, 2020 at 01:21 pm

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June 10, 2020 at 01:20 pm

Dec. 9 per Packerwire. After the first SF game but before the Championship game. But I still think that Looney, and the other moves, were a direct result of what SF was able to do to us.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

June 10, 2020 at 02:16 pm

The Packers had clearly better outcomes in pass defense when using the nickel compared to the dime.

Source: the atheletic A football nerd’s guide to the 2020 Green Bay Packers’ season

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marpag1's picture

June 11, 2020 at 02:27 am

"It wasn't just the weakness at ILB that caused a heavy use of the dime defense, it was weakness at IDL too. Pettine's best defensive players were on the perimeter of this defense."

Yet SF had no qualms whatsoever about attacking the edges of the Packer D, and had no trouble executing that plan. In fact, they had tremendous success. The "Smith Brothers" have been an obvious improvement to this team, but SF destroyed them in run defense.

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June 10, 2020 at 07:13 am

1) Strength & Conditioning staff still has improvement to be made. Please build on last years result.

2) In his press conference, Nagler got Pettine to admit that ILB skill is lacking in GB. With no major change other than the addition of than Kirksey, we should expect to see similar D packages next year. Expect opposing teams to emphasize the run. If no improvement to stop the run, Pettine is gone.

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Coldworld's picture

June 10, 2020 at 08:23 am

I think the Packers think Kirksey will be a major upgrade in this system and like both Martin and the returning depth. That is my impression at least. We will see if they stay on the field and perform at a level that supports that.

Personally, I read Pettine’s response as an initial desire not to concede that personnel was the driver. Looking at who was available by mid season, it’s hard to see that it was not. Amos playing Hybrid and a run down specialist and not much else. Bad use of Amos and nothing but Martinez in other words.

They brought in players that look like backup candidates for green in some numbers: a late draft pick and UDFAs. If at least one of them proves a find that would be great, but asking a lot of rookies. In theory, we have depth at cover ILB, but can at least one make it to the season and none have experience. At best I’m hoping for improvement in depth and availability. That alone will help.

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June 11, 2020 at 02:39 am

"Strength & Conditioning staff still has improvement to be made. Please build on last years result."

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do they need to do better? Not trying to be a dick, I just never understood what people are looking at when they complain about the medical staff.

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June 11, 2020 at 09:20 am

They assume all injuries are due to poor flexibility and conditioning. You know...like concussions, broken collarbones and ACL tears.

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June 10, 2020 at 07:28 am

Great news on injury front. Let's hope Raven can stay healthy because his one game against a competitive opponent was very good( 6tkls, 1pd). Run blocking should improve with Sternberger and Deguara, movable blockers are an advantage. I have all fingers and toes crossed that MVS, Begelton ,or Ervin could provide that needed down field threat, opportunities should be there with our improved running game.

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nostradanus's picture

June 10, 2020 at 08:55 am

Thanks Al

Injuries: The Packers have been snakebit for so long regarding injuries and it was nice to see the Bears dinged a bit on defense last season and how it affected them. Let’s hope the Packers beat the odds again this year with excellent health! My fingers are crossed.

Defense: Pettine is what he is and I am not expecting him to change his defensive philosophy. Improvement we hope will happen with more familiarity by the players in his scheme, a healthy Raven Green, year three improvement from Burks and Jackson, a second year jump from Gary, Keke and Savage, a motivated Christian Kirksey and King in a contract year. This combined with the Smith Bros., J. Alexander and the steady play of Amos will vault the Packers to a top 10 ranking I’m sure of this!

Offensive Line: There is reason for optimism regarding the offensive line. Four out of five starters are returning, Linsley is in a contract year, Turner and Jenkins are now very familiar with MLF’s offense, Bakhtiari is one of the best LT in the NFL and Wagner (a Wisconsin boy) will want to prove his worth in front of home-State fans. There is also veteran depth with Taylor and Patrick returning and some hungry draft choices wanting to prove they belong. An excellent mix of veterans and youth.

Aaron Jones: It would be great if Jones took the “hometown discount” just a little bit, he is such a great weapon and an upstanding human being. The Packers wisely gained some leverage with the drafting of Dillon and I’m sure Jones upcoming contract was part of that decision. I’m sure they can work something out, looking forward to thunder and lightning in the backfield this season and proving all the national media and draft analysts wrong. In your face smart asses!

Murphy: Murphy will be remembered fondly by Packers fans when he is retired. I’m sure it is not easy meeting the challenges of such a storied NFL franchise as the Packers. Being a “small market “ team in today’s NFL in a town the size of Green Bay requires forward thought and Murphy has been more than up to the task.
The title town district is a masterpiece and when I venture back to my home state of Wisconsin from My current home in Virginia, Lambeau and title town are always part of my “pilgrimage “!

That is all...

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June 10, 2020 at 08:26 am

Murphy will be remembered fondly if the current coaching staff deliver. If not, he will be seen as the man who presided over the decline of the late teens and the person who allowed Rodgers career to be frittered away. It’s hero or zero for Murphy.

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June 10, 2020 at 02:18 pm

"It’s hero or zero for Murphy."

Same for most of Packers Lore.

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June 10, 2020 at 09:08 am

Totally agree with your take on Murphy. Made the tough call on Thompson and probably McCarthy (maybe a year late but he still made the call). Made his calls on Gutekunst and LaFleur and this will ultimately color his legacy. Has let his GM and HC make the calls on the composition of this team going forward. Is letting team performance handle the future of Aaron Rodgers. Tough job and he is doing a good job.

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Slim11's picture

June 10, 2020 at 11:20 am

Off topic...where in Virginia? I was born and raised in Williamsburg.

Back on topic...we’re all looking for improvement on defense especially from Gary. Let’s not count Curtiss Bolton out. He was a pleasant surprise last pre-season and may have a legitimate chance of contributing this season.

On offense, I am concerned about the right side of the o-line. If Wagner recovers previous form, he’ll be serviceable. Moving Turner to RT wouldn’t help and might make matters worse. He’s useful at RG...less useful at RT.

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June 10, 2020 at 12:15 pm

Living close to Roanoke Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains. It is absolutely beautiful here and the winters are short and mild. I almost feel guilty sometimes when I see the weather in Wisconsin and it’s 10 below zero but it’s 50° here. But not that guilty ha ha, the only bad thing here is there is not a Packer bar here so if I’m watching a game not at home it Has to be someplace like Buffalo wild wings. But surprisingly there are plenty of Packer fans here and that’s a great thing!

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michael562's picture

June 10, 2020 at 01:01 pm

Lived in Vinton from '84-'94.

All of the Packer fans should start a Packer club and find a bar or bowling alley to host you.

It works great.

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June 10, 2020 at 04:09 pm

Great idea! I live close to Vinton, they have a Pizza place there called New York Pizza, it’s the bomb!

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June 10, 2020 at 08:40 am

Injuries:
I'm hoping last year was a start of a new trend. Perhaps the new coaching staff, structure of practices and whatnot is a change for good with injuries.
I have to think that part of the reason why the Packers were ranked lower is because opening week they had Lane Taylor and Raven Greene as starters. Both missed the majority of the season due to injuries.

Defense:
It will be interesting to see what personnel Pettine decides to use this year. I do wonder if he tries to get more LB's on the field, especially after the 49ers game. But i do wonder how much a healthy Greene can make a difference. Also if Savage takes a big step in year 2 that should help. I am curious to see what the defense looks like this year.

Offensive Line:
The biggest question is obviously RT. The strength of this OL is the left side. Bakhtiari, Jenkins and Linsley form probably the best left 3 in the league. Turner was ok, Not great, not terrible. Maybe another year in GB would help him a lot. The biggest question is Wagner and whoever the backup is for OT. There is not a clear option for backup.

Aaron Jones:
I hope we can keep Jones. I love the thought of Jones and Dillon together. But for this year I absolutely love our RB group. Jones, Williams, Ervin, Dillon form a unique group. And there is a chance Dexter Williams or Patrick Taylor could flash as well.
I really think this year we will see more of LaFleurs offense. I expect to see a lot of 2 RB sets. With Jones and Dillon or Ervin or Williams. Also I think we will see a lot more of the RB's being included in the passing game. All of them have great hands and can be a legit weapon out of the backfield.

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June 10, 2020 at 08:47 am

When you have QBs like the Chiefs, Browns, Seahawks, Saints, etc. Pettine is right in stopping the pass is a priority. When you play teams like the Titans, 49ers, Ravens, Cowboys, etc. that idea probably won't work. It's not the nickel or dime scheme, but rather the players that can can do both. It wasn't just lack of availability of Green, or the play of Martinez, but the players on the field not being able to get off their blocks.
I think Green Bay needs a three player improvement:
-Another Dline guy that it takes a double team to move him out. (Healthy Adam, Hester or Keke with a big jump and/or slot in Gary)
-An inside backer with better speed and stopping power. (Kirksey should be better, but question backup)
-A healthy Green or like player that can stop runners before they reach that 5 yard gain marker.
If those three pieces fall into place, it will not only stop the 49ers type of embarrassment, but make it difficult for teams like the Saints or Cowboys that have both running and passing attacks to drive down the field and score TDs.
If not, it may be awhile before we see improvement in the ranking of the defense.

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Coldworld's picture

June 11, 2020 at 08:31 am

Well put.

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June 11, 2020 at 09:23 am

Since it seems that BG has no interest in a Howard Green or Ryan Pickett type interior DL, they really need to find a 3-down 5-tech who is stout against the run and can be disruptive rushing the passer. That's not too much to ask for, is it?

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Razer's picture

June 10, 2020 at 08:48 am

Thanks Al for something other than my navel to gaze at. Some good food for thought this week...

Running backs and Aaron Jones: The 2021 FA list is an eye opener. Explains why Dalvin Cook is making a powerplay going into this season. Would love to pay Aaron Jones BUT how much can we afford to pay. The position is very prone to injury and Jones is a 'light' back. Personally, I would rather see us invest in the O-line and use a stable of backs.

OLine: Left side of the line is solid and Jenkins is a stud. Don't trust the right side as far as I can throw them. Not sure what to think about signing Linsley to a big contract. Hopeful that our center from Oregon, Jake Hanson shows enough potential to step up.

Defense: If we had real DLine talent, beyond Kenny Clark, we wouldn't keep chewing through this debate on the amount of time we played nickle defense. Pettine is playing the cards dealt and they are the same cards that Capers had. We haven't had enough trench horsepower since Cullen Jenkins and Ryan Pickett. Our average secondary is better than our below average LBs and DL so we play to that strength. Our west coast games and the NFC championship game tells you everything you need to know about our defense

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June 10, 2020 at 12:52 pm

Nice comment. As to Dalvin Cook, if he can get an extension, more power to him, especially if it is true that he is looking for CMC money.

However, even if Cook is willing to settle for some amount far more reasonable, I think he is delusional.

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June 11, 2020 at 08:34 am

Suggests all is not well behind the scenes. Of course, given the roster tear down, he may see himself as pivotal among a gaggle if rookies. What the team does will perhaps give an insight to their confidence.

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June 11, 2020 at 09:25 am

Given what we're hearing about cap volatility for 2021, I think most teams--at least, most teams within a stone's throw of the cap limit--are going to tread very lightly with regard to signings and extensions from here on.

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June 10, 2020 at 09:25 am

Regarding Jones, I’d love to have him back, but if it’s Bak, Clarke or even King vs keeping Jones I’ll take the former. 2nd contracts on RB’s are risky, especially one with injury history. In addition, smart teams put their SC money into the key positions that stop the passing game.

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June 10, 2020 at 09:43 am

My concern is Not about injuries. My Concern is the virus. My hope is the NFL can finish what they start. The safety for the players and their families must be priority one. I don't see anything changing with the Lbs. When will a packers GM realize the Lbs are the heart of a defense? Murphy? We can get better. Anybody can be replaced! I believe Jones is the packers next MVP. They need to sign before they can't.

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June 10, 2020 at 04:38 pm

That's a nice, concise analysis of the the defensive personnel usage; does any other team play that much dime? In listening to Pettine's answers, they seem pretty logical to me, and since we still don't have any great depth on the DL or at ILB, you're probably right that we'll be seeing a lot more of the same.

I'm not overly fond of Murphy his management by committee style that he presides over: it seems like there's too much room for everyone not being on the same page. I don't like that he dabbles in the coaching decisions. The Packers have been a playoff team during most of his tenure, but I'll just bluntly say that this is largely due to Aaron Rodgers and some of the excellent offensive players drafted by Ted. Let's see if Murphy can deliver another Super Bowl winner before we can say we're satisfied with the job he's done; the next Trophy always seems like it might be just around the corner, but it's always frustratingly out of reach.

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June 10, 2020 at 11:51 am

It's nice to see that we weren't just SO lucky with injuries last year. Middle of the pack is a good thing. Hopefully, we lose even less! Also high comedy to see the Vikings as the least injured team. I'm going to enjoy watching them suck this year, then Rick and Zim get fired, with the next regime getting stuck with Captain Dork Pants at QB.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 10, 2020 at 12:09 pm

I think the Purple Pestilence is on shaky ground.

They lost their OC from last year, they traded away their best WR, and now their best RB is in a contract spat. Good. They also lost their CBs to free agency and will be starting rookies against us in the opener.

And, as I’ve mentioned before, the defense is going to be a lot smaller than the offense we can put on the field. I think we’re going to crush them, on their home field, to start the season.

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dobber's picture

June 11, 2020 at 09:33 am

They're taking a tremendous gamble by going the route they're taking (lots of rookies, cross your fingers). Even with 15-some odd picks, the likelihood that they're going to find enough quality guys to play in their current window who can contribute early is pretty low. To make this work, you've got to point on in your draft pick after pick after pick. Yes, they had several high picks, and those guys are going to have to play...but it's as likely to bomb as it is to pay big dividends. If you look at Spielman's draft record, he's been good in the secondary and in finding edge players, but his construction of that team has been primarily through FA (which is why they're in cap trouble). More likely, they will struggle to stay relevant for a year or two with a bunch of average schmoes supporting their "stars" before another mass exodus of old, overpaid guys and massive rebuild.

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Point-Packer's picture

June 10, 2020 at 11:58 am

Good thing GB got solid O-line play last year cause with that dud of a WR corps (minus Adams), Rodgers was forced to hold the ball until the coverage broke down.

"they just need to play" - Aaron Nagler

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Bearmeat's picture

June 10, 2020 at 12:14 pm

yeah that didn't reflect well on Nags in general last year, did it.

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June 10, 2020 at 04:26 pm

If I had a dollar for every time I was wrong about the Packers...I'd have at least one more dollar than Nagler.

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Coldworld's picture

June 11, 2020 at 08:36 am

Oh I don’t know. We should put you head to head for a while.

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dobber's picture

June 11, 2020 at 09:35 am

No matter how low you set the bar, I'll find a way under it!

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2020 at 08:46 pm

Naglers never right...

and you say you are worse than him?

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fish's picture

June 10, 2020 at 12:00 pm

"The injury ranking feels "off" because nearly all the injuries were early and to "fringe" guys. Greene, EQ, Madison, Spriggs, Bolton, Taylor all missed all or nearly all of the season. Jenkins play made us not miss Taylor. Spriggs was never that great to begin with. Madison is still an unknown. EQ and Bolton should be decent, but still haven't proven it. Greene was missed, but Redmond and then Campbell filled in "OK."

In season injury to Adams the Pack won all 4 games.

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nostradanus's picture

June 10, 2020 at 04:10 pm

Good point

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Coldworld's picture

June 11, 2020 at 08:39 am

Greene was not supposed to be a “fringe” guy. Non starters carry little to no weight, so Taylor and Greene would represent a large portion.

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CoachDino's picture

June 10, 2020 at 09:34 pm

I buy into the Pack being in the middle on injuries. The perception of being the "luckiest" was driven through a couple of factors in my opinion.

1) The Packers also had some good fortune playing against teams with injuries and were often thrown together
2) Certain writers constantly referenced this in explaining wins instead of finding positives that would of gone against their previous narratives
3) The Packers did a fantastic job of mitigating injuries through:
Depth - Losing your Starting Guard for the year is a significant injury - Elkins made it seem like it was destined
anyway
Mid season P/ups (Vahldeer sp)
4)AR - His value really came through during Adams injury - Obvious he targets Adams but he made
adjustments when he had too - - Also key in min impact of some RB injuries
5) Certain writers loved to skew stats by only including starter injuries and then excluding starter injuries when it came to Greene and Elkins. Injuries should be done by snaps
6) It wasn't Arron Rodgers getting hurt

ps - No writer from this site was included in my observations. I think we all know the main Hater - I mean writer.

of course Gute isn't given credit for his excellent in season performance. Haters - Hate

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marpag1's picture

June 11, 2020 at 02:46 am

I'm excited about this "Elkins" fellow. He sounds like a keeper, whoever he is...

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dobber's picture

June 11, 2020 at 11:05 am

He was playing next to Vahldeer. ;)

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saredust's picture

June 11, 2020 at 05:21 pm

Easy extra income for all. All is easy and free.

https://www.ysense.com/?rb=59429643

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