Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - July 8 2020

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Packers Legacy - The 1960s Continued:  

Perhaps my favorite thing about this documentary so far has been the black and white footage of Lombardi's practices. Linemen hitting the sled while Lombardi barks at them... just brings back a lot of HS memories for me.

Run to Win: I'm not sure how I didn't know this, but Lombardi's famous "run to win" mantra came from a bible verse. While there are various translations and variations, the basic verse From Corinthians 9:24 is, "Don't you know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run like that, that you may win."  When Green Bay won Super Bowl II, Lombardi had the words, “Run to Win,” engraved on the championship rings.

Thunder and Lightning: Funny quote from Lee Roy Caffey about Hornung and Taylor being replaced by Donnie Anderson and Jim Grabowski: "We used to have Thunder and Lightning, now we have Cloudy and Drizzle."

Super Bowl I: The first Super Bowl halftime show included things like two guys with jetpacks flying around the field. Imagine seeing that in 1967! There was one problem with the halftime, though. NBC was still in commercial at the second half kickoff, so the Packers were made to kick off again, which naturally infuriated Lombardi.

The 1967 Packers: The Packers were looked at as being "tired and aging," so much so that despite winning the Cental Division title, they went into a home playoff game against the Rams as underdogs!

 

All About the Money: Throughout all these reported preparations for playing football this year, I've been quietly waiting for the $$$ shoe to drop. And football does not disappoint:

Random Thing I Didn't Know: The Packers bought some more land across from Titletown, but I did not realize that they do not own Lambeau Field or their practice facilities. Lambeau Field is owned by the city of Green Bay and Green Bay-Brown County Professional Football Stadium District. The county owns the practice facility land, which includes the Don Hutson Center, Clarke Hinkle Field and Ray Nitschke Field.

Restructuring Contracts: The Packers have some major free-agent-to-bes after this season (assuming there's a season). They made a great move restructuring Lane Taylor's contract to gain some much-needed cap space but I feel like more needs to be done in that area. Who would you say are some candidates for such re-working of their deals?  Dean Lowrey is the first name that comes to my mind.

Save The Kettle: Perhaps the most iconic Packers bar outside of Wisconsin is struggling to survive. Kettle of Fish, located on Christopher Street in the heart of Greenwich Village in NYC, this bar was famous as a hangout for cool cats like Jack Kerouac and Bob Dylan since 1950. I've often said that any Packers fan visiting NYC MUST stop by Kettle of Fish and soak it all in. My hope is that fans will have such an opportunity in the future and that's why we're helping to promote a GoFundMe page to help "The Kettle" survive being shut down since March. If every Packer fan just gave a dollar, this would be a piece of cake. As it is, if you can help at all, whatever ther amount, you'll be doing a great thing for Packer Nation. And yes, Aaron Rodgers supports this effort.

 

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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RCPackerFan's picture

July 08, 2020 at 06:51 am

(Thunder and Lightning: Funny quote from Lee Roy Caffey about Hornung and Taylor being replaced by Donnie Anderson and Jim Grabowski: "We used to have Thunder and Lightning, now we have Cloudy and Drizzle.")
Speaking of Thunder and Lightning, what would be the perfect description for the combination of Jones, Williams, Dillon and Ervin?

All About the Money:
I also have been waiting for this moment. Considering camps are supposed to be opening in a few weeks, I dread that this won't be happening.

Random Thing I Didn't Know:
I honestly didn't know that part either. Perhaps that is why they are purchasing as much land around there as possible?

Restructuring Contracts:
While I agree it would be great if they could rework some contracts to gain cap space, but honestly there aren't that many players that are in their 2nd contract with the Packers. The majority of the roster is made up of guys on their first contracts. Out of the guys who are on a 2nd contract, Billy Turner is one that I could see them trying to rework a deal especially next year.

Save The Kettle:
During this time of struggles there are so many businesses on the verge of going out of business. It would be great if we could find ways to help save them. I have never been to NY, but if I make it I would love to visit this bar.

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PeteK's picture

July 08, 2020 at 08:15 am

Shake, Shuffle, and Roll

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dobber's picture

July 08, 2020 at 09:02 am

Periodically you'll see a piece in SI or other places where they rank the values of sports franchises. In many cases the Packers rank very high, but that's because they assume that the Packers own all their digs. In reality, the Packers carry a fairly low value because of it and are very cash-flow dependent.

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Stroh's picture

July 08, 2020 at 04:23 pm

The Packers value is very high because they are profitable year in and year out. The fact the dont own the land means little since most franchise stadiums are paid for largely be taxes and aren't owned by teams. Its not like the county or cities are taking the land and not allowing it to be used. Who owns the land is immaterial.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 08, 2020 at 01:01 pm

Drop a few bucks for the Kettle....not many iconic spots left in the Village...

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Guam's picture

July 08, 2020 at 07:37 am

As much as I have been a critic of Lowery (and Lancaster), I doubt his contract gets reworked a la Taylor. Taylor was under pressure coming back from an injury and facing three sixth round draft choices. Lowery is a starter with little pressure from the reserves since M. Adams is likely gone, Lancaster is likely the first starter replaced, and there were no high dollar free agents signed or high draft choices added. Just don't see why he would agree to a restructure.

I see the big changes coming in the offensive line after this season. The Packers have a lot of money tied up in their O-line and it is aging. I expect 2-3 new starters on the O-line in 2021.

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PeteK's picture

July 08, 2020 at 08:10 am

I agree, Linsly has a very lg contract and Turner is on an improve or go year. Hopefully, one of the rookies will step into the guard or center position next year.

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dobber's picture

July 08, 2020 at 09:08 am

Agreed on Lowry. The only way his deal gets reworked at this point is if the Packers offer him something he wants (more years, guaranteed $$). I'm not sure there's enough to get back to make the additional commitment worthwhile.

The Packers for the better part of the last 4-6 years have been in the top 2-3 in the league in cap dedicated to OL. It's good in the sense that OL is that important...but the changes you indicate are likely necessary in order to redistribute cash and keep the roster moving forward. Certainly a minimum of one new starter in 2021.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 08, 2020 at 07:56 pm

Your view is very similar to mine. Lots of contracts ending the next two seasons, and that’s by design.

Rodgers, Adams, Bakhtiari, Linsley, Jones, Williams, Taylor, Lowry, Clark, King....I think that’s about the last of the Thompson roster, and every one of these guys will be a FA or have a team-option out within the next two years. It’s entirely possible none of them will be here in two years and a virtual certainty most of them will not.

I think new NFL economics are at play with the Packers.

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Guam's picture

July 09, 2020 at 07:36 am

I think Clarke and King will be back because they are young (second contract coming up) and can play. Jones also falls into that category, but RB's are short lived and replaceable. The others are all getting long in the tooth and I suspect you are right - not long on the Packer roster.

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Minniman's picture

July 11, 2020 at 03:06 pm

" Jones also falls into that category, but RB's are short lived and replaceable"

Jones' case is an interesting one, isn't it.

I see Jones being used even more as a sneaky hybrid RB\slot receiver this year.

To that, I think that his performance in that role will determine his future at the Packers.

I personally think that he will succeed and strong efforts made to retain him (not quite every effort though).

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stockholder's picture

July 08, 2020 at 08:01 am

Dean lowery, Try Devante Adams. RUN TO Win is back. Paying 15 mil. a year for a Wr doesn't fit. So what are the Tax breaks if the city owns lambeau turf. Not to mention the legal part. 35%? What were they thinking?

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July 08, 2020 at 08:33 am

How did you come up with 15M? Adams had a 4 year extension contract that APY of just over 11M per year. He is a steal at that price and below market to his production compared to other top WR’s. That said he will be 29 in 2021 when his contract is up, so he is a prime candidate to restructure, add extension to his last year to free up cap space.

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dobber's picture

July 08, 2020 at 10:41 am

His cap hit in 2019 was about $11M, but his cash number increases his cap hit to ~$16.5M in 2020 and 2021.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/davante-adams-14463/

There's actually a pretty substantial savings in cutting him now (saves about $9M) or before 2021 (saves about $13M)--either of which would be a huge mistake IMO--but does create some leverage in an extension or renegotiation. I'm not a huge fan of pushing that hit down the line on a player who has a track record of concussions and getting dinged up, but I don't know that the Packers have a lot of options.

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stockholder's picture

July 08, 2020 at 10:58 am

His cap hit in 2019 was about $11M, but his cash number increases his cap hit to ~$16.5M in 2020 and 2021. Yep- Cobb made less.

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July 08, 2020 at 08:08 pm

Even if you RUN TO WIN, a premium pitch-and-catch is worth a lot. Think, for a moment, about what the defense has to do to stop Rodgers to Adams. It takes more than one guy to cover him. And you have to get pressure on Rodgers. That’s several people on defense who have to win on every play or pay the price.

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July 08, 2020 at 08:33 pm

Cory wants David Njoku and thinks he's a bargain. I've also seen others/ articles, wanting to trade for him. Lets trade D. Adams for him. Adams was hurt and does have a history of concussions. The team responded, as did Rodgers, to his loss during the season. Gutey didn't draft any Wrs, as he feels it's not a problem. What better way get cap room, and sign some of your own to extensions. Not to mention getting another Te, and moving on from Lewis. I believe they can get a extra pick too. ( Look at what Minn. did. trading Diggs). The Lions kept mega- tron to long. If we keep D. Adams, It will be a big mistake.

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PeteK's picture

July 08, 2020 at 08:33 am

I'm an embarrassed Packer fan. I lived across the Hudson a majority of my life and never went to this pub. I give partial blame to a mutual fan. When this pandemic is over , I'll take an Uber home from there.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 09, 2020 at 06:47 am

Restructuring: I see no candidates. GB paid roster bonuses to Lowry, Turner and Amos of $2M, $3M, and $4M back in March. Too late now. Ditto for Preston and Z.

Pay Cuts: This might be possible if GB played hardball. No one wants to be a FA right now since teams don't know what the cap is going to look like in 2021. Oliver Vernon just took a $4.5M pay cut, though in his case he has missed 4 or 5 games in each of the last three years. This seems like a bad idea for the long-term credibility of the franchise. I don't see many candidates again. AR is ineligible since he already restructured and he already has been paid, with just $1.55M left in cash to earn this year. Linsley? He might be able to get $7.65M (his current base salary) on a one year deal plus a GA bonus.

Extensions: GB could extend Bakh, Adams, and Linsley. A modest signing bonus to compensate them for 2020 and an option bonus to mostly compensate them for 2021, thereby pushing the bulk of the cap hits to 2022. Risky. GB could also extend Clark but it would be hard to generate any cap release given his big pay increase.

35%: That's high, but one generally during negotiations starts at the higher end of the range. Assuming the games are played and the NFL gets its TV money, there is still the loss of local income. If GB can get to 30% of seating capacity (22,000 fans in the seats per game) then the loss in local revenue might be $147,000,000. True, the cap would go down in 2021 by about $55M, so eventually owners would recoup that amount by presumably lower future salaries, though the present value would be less than $55M, so a loss of $92M, plus about $15M in benefits. Total might be $107M loss over 2019, when the Packers made $724K. 30% of capacity sounds optimitic to me since there would have to be 6 feet between each fan sideways and the two rows in front and behind that occupied row would have to be largely denuded of fans.

35% of $200M in salary might be $70M but I don't see how the NFL could get back money from the players that's already been paid.

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Oppy's picture

July 09, 2020 at 08:12 am

Was Kettle Of Fish always a Packer-Backer bar, or is the affiliation to the Packers only through the most recent ownership?

Will's Northwoods in the heart of Chicago has to be in the running for high profile out-of-state Packers bars, too.

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JerseyAl's picture

July 10, 2020 at 10:01 pm

Packers bar since 1998, when current owners bought it. Have never been to Willl's, but I've heard great things about it and we've done some co-promotion with them.

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Oppy's picture

July 10, 2020 at 11:07 pm

Will's probably carries some extra charm due to it being deep behind enemy lines. I have a good friend that is a Wisconsin-to-Chicago transplant that frequents it for Packers games each season. It seems there's nothing he loves more than getting geared up and marching through Chicago land to Will's.

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Spock's picture

July 09, 2020 at 09:32 am

I always cringe at the description when some people say, "...Adams has a history of concussion issues." At least two of those concussions came from blind-side cheap shots - and- Adams recovered more quickly than expected even after those cheap shot head hits. So, I think describing him as "concussion prone" is a bunch of baloney as anyone who was hit like that would likely have gotten a concussion. The fact that he recovers quickly seems to me to indicate he's no more likely than most WR's to get another concussion. Heck, Rodgers has had two or three himself but no one calls him "concussion prone". And, yeah, I know just getting a concussion will increase the odds of getting another, but Adams works at his craft and seems to know just when to juke out the defensive guys to protect himself. His footwork is the major part of his game which makes him so hard to cover. Just my two cents.

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dobber's picture

July 09, 2020 at 10:05 am

Spock, it doesn't matter how he got the concussions...cheap hits...leagal hits...car accidents...disc golf...yahtzee: the fact is that he's had them. While Adams has cleared the concussion protocol quickly in each of his cases, that doesn't mean he's less susceptible in the future. I can't tell you if there's medical evidence that correlates recovery time with reinjury, but--as you state--there's plenty of evidence that head injuries lower the bar to future head injuries. Ask Sam Shields how that went and ask the Packers about the investment they made there and how it turned out long-term. That being said, I think it's safe to assume that just about any NFL player can be assumed to have had multiple concussions in their playing history from Pop Warner onward, reported or not.

The Packers have painted themselves into a corner at WR. Adams is the big dog, and there's not much aside from puppies on the roster after him. They might be forced to extend him (which probably means at least 3 additional years, given his age) to get cap room and to maintain some strength at the position until they find the next guy.

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stockholder's picture

July 09, 2020 at 11:43 am

PFFs rating does not justify 15mil, or an extension. I get he's great off the line. And he's are best now. But were running the ball. If he sits, it's money lost. If he doesn't get his Targets, it's money lost. And the talk is; 3 wrs are now rated ahead of him in the league. (Yet he's still @ 10 on a list in the NFL.) This should be his last year, unless he takes a pay cut. Just because of LeFluer's offense. He cannot earn his salary! The Turf Toe was the beginning. If Rodgers leaves. He will regress like Cobb. Thats the mistake- paying a WR who's lost his worth.

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Spock's picture

July 10, 2020 at 12:53 am

dobber,
Yeah, I know it doesn't matter how, hence my caveat, but it just bothers me that some fans seem to imply he is a fragile glass and I don't agree with that viewpoint. I remember reading (somewhere) that how fast you come back from a concussion DOES matter for your odds going forward, but I honestly can't remember where I read that. Actually, these days I don't remember much, lol.

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Minniman's picture

July 11, 2020 at 03:16 pm

Dobber, in boxing circles it's known that once a fighter gets fully knocked out (not TKO) they never have the same resilience to it.

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