Confessions of a Polluted Mindset: A Packers Brain Drain

Random thoughts swimming around in the Packers' section of my brain.

Drew Brees: This has always been my football philosophy: Drew Brees when asked about his completion percentage, "I know this. Completions equal positive plays, positive plays move the chains, moving the chains scores points, scoring points wins games." cc: Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers.

Move the chains: Old-school moving the chains doesn't mean you can't also be smart and analytical. Andy Reid's Chiefs threw on 1st down 61% of the time this season - a full 10% more than any other team. NFL teams overall averaged 7 yds per pass on 1st down, 6.6 yds on 2nd down and 5.4 on 3rd down. Defenses are more focused on defending the pass on 3rd down plays, so why not throw more when they're less ready for it? This is just a smart job of maximizing returns which in turn, helps move the chains which, well, see Brees' quote above.  (Stats from an article in last Saturday's Wall St Journal).

A Mathematical Formula: Packers - (Graham + Perry) = 8.8M = Roger Saffold = (someone who would actually have a positive impact on this team). 

Referees: Man, those AFC and NFC Championship games were as much about the referees as the players, weren't they?

Rodgers vs. Brady: Brady was 5 for six on third downs in the second half and overtime. There was no waiting for the perfect pass, holding the ball, running around and then heaving the ball 20 yds downfield. He identified where the single coverage would be, let the receiver run the route and got the ball (quickly and accurately) and picked up the first down. Yes, it can be that simple. It's a mindset more than anything. 

No Darren Rizzi: Whatever the real reason is, this was a major opportunity lost. Special Teams woes would have been a thing of the past. Now, who knows?

Overtime Rules: I am in favor of giving each team at least one chance in overtime. I get the argument that the Chiefs had chances to win the game outright, but if you think about it, so did the Patriots. Neither team was able to win the game in regulation, so why should either team be given a free chance to end the game based solely on a coin flip? Each team gets one possession on offense - if still tied, then it's sudden death. 

Coaching staff: There's going to be a healthy dose of culture shock for veteran Packers players when they meet the quite youthful coaching staff LaFleur is putting together. There will be a boatload of un-McCarthy-like new ideas put forth, let's hope the players are receptive to it all.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Nick Perry's picture

January 23, 2019 at 05:36 am

"No Darren Rizzi: Whatever the real reason is, this was a major opportunity lost. Special Teams woes would have been a thing of the past. Now, who knows?"

I know Al, I know...BUT

There was another post on another Packers site which had the following to say about Rizzo...

"The Packers, who are paying the first year of LaFleur’s new deal and the final year of Mike McCarthy’s contract, reportedly balked at Rizzi’s demands.
It doesn’t sound as if the fit between LaFleur and Rizzi was a problem. Per Silverstein, the two had a “great visit” in Green Bay last week."

Sigh....I love Russ Ball and Mark Murphy.

But hey, the Packers are looking at an Assistant ST coach from the Jags (Mike Mallory) who was actually the Jags ST Coach before being DEMOTED by the current Jags ST Coach (Joe DeCamillis) in 2017. I guess the new ST Coach did his job since the Jags ranked 4th in DVOA for 2018.

Hopefully the Jags Assistant ST Coach (Mike Mallory) who USED to be the ST Coach learned something from the new ST coach (Joe DeCamillis) in 2018.

I'm holding my breath at the thought of another assistant coach who can be had on the CHEAP by the Packers. Boy o boy I hope you guys who are so optimistic are right...

I WILL GET optimistic at some point because I LOVE the Packers...It's just hard right now when I have to Google EVERY new hire because I've never heard of them. Not wanting to pay Rizzo if Silverstein is right IMO shouldn't be in the equation for the Packers.

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The TKstinator's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:03 am

I say give it a chance, and remember, young = cheap
OR to bring back a word from my upbringing: “affordable”

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:43 am

"I WILL GET optimistic at some point because I LOVE the Packers...It's just hard right now when I have to Google EVERY new hire because I've never heard of them. Not wanting to pay Rizzo if Silverstein is right IMO shouldn't be in the equation for the Packers."

I'm always optimistic.

I will admit I'm somewhat concerned over a few of the hires. Like the OL coach for example. They go from one that is considered to be one of the best in the league to a young new guy. How will he handle it? How will the players react to it? There are concerns for sure. That being said, if they weren't ready for this role they wouldn't have gotten the job. And while the players had a connection to their coach, maybe they will connect with the new coach too.

Just because they are new hires doesn't mean they aren't the right person for the job. All the names you know now, started out as a new guy at one point.
The league is getting younger everywhere. GM's, coaches, everything. This is the new era in football.

Whether it will work or not, we will have to wait and see. But we also have to give these guys a chance to prove themselves.

I am optimistic that this will all work out.
The key now is to get the right players.

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dobber's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:17 am

"Just because they are new hires doesn't mean they aren't the right person for the job. "

In athletics, the whole always needs to be more than the sum of the parts to win championships. It starts with the right people. This has fueled the Patriots for years.

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Barnacle's picture

January 24, 2019 at 07:31 am

IMHO Belichek has “fueled the Patriots”.

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cuervo's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:25 am

"But hey, the Packers are looking at an Assistant ST coach from the Jags (Mike Mallory) who was actually the Jags ST Coach before being DEMOTED by the current Jags ST Coach (Joe DeCamillis) in 2017. I guess the new ST Coach did his job since the Jags ranked 4th in DVOA for 2018."

Assuming they are actually going to interview Mallory, I agree that's a puzzling one. He was the Jags Special teams coach in 15,16,17, and they ranked 20, 23, and 24 when he then got demoted and they suddenly improved to 4th.
His current body of work isn't one that shouts competency...... however, since the bulk of "reports" about coaches has been wrong to date, I'll hold off before assuming the worst.

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dobber's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:27 am

20, 23, and 24 is a world better than 29, 30, 32, 32...

And he got to work with one of the best in DeCamillis. Maybe it rubbed off on him.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:35 am

Nick,
Enjoy your posts but in past several threads you come across as a guy where you are 'a glass half empty' kind of guy.

You read articles on net by writers who do not have much information and often not even knowledgeable football guys. They were not in the interviews and they have no idea who has more knowledge or presence. Big deal about Rizzi! It is always players more than it is about coaches and scheme. Mallory may be every bit as good of a coach as Rizzi but didnt have the players and demoted. Mallory or someone else that is eventually hired may be a much better fit for LF and the Packers. Over and over we hear about whether a player is a good fit in the locker room. Believe me the same thing holds true and even more so in the coaches room.

I am believing in the changes taking place that Murphy is going full bore and turning everything upside down for the Pack to be successful. I understand the concerns people have about Murphy but the longer I think about it Murphy only got involved because he witnessed how bad things became and he knew a complete culture change was needed. Hence the termination of so many MM coaches. I have been wanting these type of changes for 3 or 4 years now and while there will be some growing pains I am optimistic about where this team is headed.

RELAX...

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JerseyAl's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:45 am

Nick: Key word is "reportedly." In other words, they don't know why and are just making assumptions based on reported speculation made elsewhere. We are al;l jumping to the "money" conclusion, which could be accurate or it could be completely false.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 23, 2019 at 10:28 am

Bottom line is Rizzi is a proven commodity. His ST unit has ranked in the top half of the NFL in seven of his 8 seasons as a NFL ST Coordinator. He was ST coordinator for 6 seasons at Rutgers prior to that. Now we're interviewing someone who ST units, um, haven't haven't been in the top half, ever. Mallory has a lot of experience at age 56. Now here's an unfair tainting by association: Mallory was hired by Ron Zook in 2004 (as DC, not Special Teams).

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albert999's picture

January 24, 2019 at 08:04 pm

Interviewing Tom Quinn.....SERIOUSLY

Under Quinn, the Giants’ special teams units were all over the map. According to Rick Gosselin’s annual rankings the Giants finished as high as second (in 2015) and as low as 32nd (2017). Quinn oversaw two top-five units and three top-ten squads, while seeing his groups finish in the bottom five of the NFL three times as well. Here are the Giants’ places in those rankings over Quinn’s tenure:

2007: 17th
2008: 4th
2009: 20th
2010: 30th
2011: 22nd
2012: 7th
2013: 28th
2014: 25th
2015: 2nd
2016: 18th
2017: 32nd

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Lphill's picture

January 23, 2019 at 05:44 am

Packers did ok with that high school tennis coach Back in the 90 ‘s .

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The TKstinator's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:04 am

Hey Al, I like your thoughts re: OT almost as much as my own suggestion on another thread.

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dobber's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:20 am

My opinion on OT is that you know what the OT rules are. You know what to expect if a game goes to OT. You know if you have a team built to win in OT if it doesn't win the flip. If you don't want to go to OT or like your chances of winning in OT given the rules, play to win in regulation.

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JerseyAl's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:47 am

Both teams played to win in regulation. Neither did. So why should one team get another chance based on a coin flip. Both teams that tried to win in regulation should have a chance in OT.

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dobber's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:58 am

I would argue that the Saints didn't play to win. Sean Payton, on that last drive after the 2 minute warning, wasn't calling plays to score a TD. He didn't call plays to eat up the Rams' TOs. He played for the FG, but lousy clock management and poor play calls landed them in OT...and he got screwed.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:53 am

Well, we should respect argument that team with D on the field at first OT possession have opportunity to stop opponent. If they succeed, they need to score only FG, and that is immediate advantage for them. If team with offense scores FG, they are not winning the game. Offense have to score TD for win!

Personally, I'm for change but I believe it is not that simple. Because Team with first offensive possession can consume the clock in that manner that other team would not have time for playing on offense. I witnessed first Q possessions that lasts around 9 minutes (few a little bit longer!), so what in that situation? You'll got another fat book of rules only for OT.

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albert999's picture

January 24, 2019 at 08:08 pm

I agree.....makes no sense if it’s going to be a level playing field....no pun intended

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Donster's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:06 am

I would hope the reason Rizzi wasn't hired was the fact that his asking price was so far out of the scope of what an assistant coach is paid in the league, or more than what the new OC and Pettine is getting paid, that they just had to tell him no. If it is just the old ways of the Packers penny pinching style, then the team is going to have the same issues going forward as we have in the past.

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kevgk's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:43 am

At the same time I don't want a front office that assistant coaches can expect to walk over and make big demands from. We don't know the details, but there are positives and negatives for every decision.

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Demon's picture

January 23, 2019 at 12:01 pm

My thoughts on the ST coach that the Packers balked at his salary demands.....the team was willing to pay N Perry how much to sit on the bench?

MM made 9mil, for at best being an average coach. Whats a cpl million bucks to clean up the mess which is the Packers special teams? ST played a major hand in a minimum of 4 losses this year.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

January 23, 2019 at 03:30 pm

Agree WhiteT.

Dash

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Lare's picture

January 23, 2019 at 12:50 pm

As far as I know, Rizzi is still under contract with the Dolphins and carries the title "Special Teams Coordinator and Assistant Head Coach". I'm guessing the "Assistant Head Coach" part of it carries additional salary, and if LaFleur didn't feel comfortable hiring him with that title, being just a Special Teams Coordinator could be looked at as taking a step back. At any rate, I haven't seen where he's interviewed or signed with anyone else yet.

I would still like to see them interview Horton with the Ravens or Wilson with the Chiefs.

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GBPDAN1's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:29 am

"Rodgers vs. Brady: Brady was 5 for six on third downs in the second half and overtime. There was no waiting for the perfect pass, holding the ball, running around and then heaving the ball 20 yds downfield. He identified where the single coverage would be, let the receiver run the route and got the ball (quickly and accurately) and picked up the first down. Yes, it can be that simple. It's a mindset more than anything. "

Amen!

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The TKstinator's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:21 am

+1!

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PeteK's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:17 am

Pat O line vs Pack O line another lopsided comparison. The Pat blocking, including TE, was a thing of beauty.

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splitpea1's picture

January 23, 2019 at 11:08 am

I'm with you, but it's a lot more simple if you have the receivers, TE's, and schemes to get the job done. Third down conversions has to be one of the biggest priorities of our new coaching staff. Let Rodgers take his shots downfield, but only when the opportunity presents itself.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 24, 2019 at 03:15 am

Brady was also bailed out by some amazing catches like all QBs are. Rodgers had a lot of dropped passes and receivers that allegedly didn't run the route they were supposed to. The big difference for me was the way Brady utilized rhe run game instead of trying to do it all himself.

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PeteK's picture

January 24, 2019 at 07:16 am

The running game was a big factor. That's why we need to address the O line early in the draft and a free agent.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:34 am

Drew Brees:
I just have to add that how can you not feel bad for Brees after the last 2 years. Last year they lose a heartbreaking game after a rookie misses a tackle. And this game they would have won had the ref not swallowed his whistle. Now they did have a chance to win after that, but no doubt the game would have ended with that play.
Sidenote, has anyone checked on the ref? I mean did he get the whistle he swallowed removed?

Move the chains:
I think the key is to be balanced. If you run and pass equally on early downs it will keep defenses honest which means they should be able to exploit some mismatches.
LaFleur has talked a lot about being balanced. I'm looking forward to seeing that in GB.

A Mathematical Formula:
I know I will be in the minority in this. I would be ok with Graham coming back. I get why they would let him go, but I think another year with Rodgers he might improve. Sometimes it takes guys a while to work together.
Perry, the only way I bring back is if he takes a massive pay cut.

Referees:
Whenever the games become about the refs and not the players, that means there is a problem.
My philosophy is have a guy in the booth and have him buzz down to the head official when something that is clear happens. He should be able to do this in 15 seconds or so. Meaning it won't add much time to games.
I'd rather get the call right. Refs are humans and miss things. Also the angles they are in, they are limited in what they can see. So why not help aid them and have a guy above that can see everything.

Rodgers vs. Brady:
Rodgers can do what Brady does. He has done it. Hopefully the new coaching staff will get Rodgers to do this more often. Hopefully the new scheme will let Rodgers get the ball out faster.

No Darren Rizzi:
I have no idea why they weren't able to land who is quite possibly the best special teams coach in the league. Maybe there is a difference in what they wanted? Maybe Rizzi wanted more then being the special teams coordinator?

Overtime Rules:
I think both teams should possess the ball especially in the playoffs. I have heard the argument that the Chiefs defense had a chance to stop the Patriots offense and they didn't so they didn't deserve to win. Well what about the Patriots defense? They didn't have to stop the Chiefs offense. So did the better team really win?
I think both teams should touch the ball.
I said yesterday that the only caveat that I'd add is to force both teams to go for 2 points.
And if they are tied, go back to sudden death.

Coaching staff:
I'm not going to lie, I really wonder how all the veterans will handle this. The good thing is there aren't a lot of old vets on the team. But the seasoned vets that have been grown in the McCarthy led team will definitely be in for a bit of a culture shock. Hopefully all the players buy into it.

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Savage57's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:46 am

Re: Rodgers vs. Brady

As I watched both CCG's, I noticed that all four QB's were adept at throwing soft, touch passes with some air under them on screens and wheel routes. Those passes allowed receivers to catch them out front and in stride and turn pedestrian opportunities into large gains.

Now compare that to AR's passes when the Packers run the rare screen play. They're usually in the dirt or at the receiver's feet.

I hope this offseason sees The Man reflect upon what's happened to him as a thrower of the football, forget the years of press he's been reading and get back to working on his mechanic's, delivery and command of the entire passing game. No one can make the WOW throws you do; it's the misses on the bunny throws that are troubling.

Oh, and if it's not too much to ask, please lose the obsessive paranoia about possibly throwing a pick and the addiction to hero-plays. Move the chains, as was pointed out above.

This is your team. You're being paid like no other, and it's past time to get back to playing at the level that got you there.

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Ezra's Hotdog's picture

January 23, 2019 at 10:03 am

I agree with you assessment. We went from a quarterback [Favre] who would chuck it all over and take chances to one who is tentative at times and too concerned about throwing an interception. The 58 throwaways average to almost 4 per game. Of the sacks allowed, how many were because he held on to the ball too long. All wins for the defense. The blaming rookie receivers, the O-lines fault, but ignoring the check down is all on him.

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dblbogey's picture

January 23, 2019 at 01:44 pm

But after Holmgren left, Favre lost more games than he otherwise would have won because he would chuck it all over and take ridiculous chances. Something in between Favre's chucking it and Aaron being too cautious would probably be ideal.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 23, 2019 at 02:38 pm

Ezra's Hot Dog...love the name and wonder how many younger fans have no idea what it means? :)

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Skip greenBayless's picture

January 23, 2019 at 03:37 pm

I never understood the controversy. Poor Ezra was hungry. A man's got to eat. It never affected his play on the field as far as I remember. So big deal if they were down 61-0 at the time. lol

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 23, 2019 at 04:44 pm

So true! From memory Ezra was one of two first round draft choices that year....mmm... 1978...with Mike Butler. Pack needs to do the same this year with edge rushers

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:45 pm

The return of Thunder and Lightening, Knock! Johnson and Butler, a dynamic duo the likes not seen since Alden Roche and Big Cat Williams. Only difference was Ezra and Mike actually got off blocks and left the line of scrimmage. Remember Ezra running a reverse on a kickoff?

And, i agree, Ezra's Hotdog is a great screen name! Well done, buddy.

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nostradanus's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:07 am

One thing is for sure, with this new and youthful coaching staff plus a young GM, this is going to be an energetic bunch that can grow together and at the very least get the Packers out of the McCarthy Doldrums.

Make no mistake, there will be growing pains as the Packers field a very young team in 2019 (with the exception of Rodgers and a handful of other vets).

A winning record and a playoff berth would be a reasonable goal for this squad in 2019!

GO PACK!!

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dobber's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:22 am

This is (or at least seems to be) a culture change throughout the locker room. This is what we wanted. Let's hope it's enough to overcome the Murph-factor.

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PeteK's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:30 am

Yes , energy is always good and we have good blend of veteran/youth.

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January 23, 2019 at 09:58 am

Totally on board and agree!

I think a goal of winning division and making playoffs is a reasonable goal for 2019. Anything less and I would be dissapointed. Just making playoffs as Wild Card would be positive

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carlos's picture

January 23, 2019 at 07:46 am

So far my biggest concern is the special teams and certain players who are always injured. We almost need to draft another shutdown corner because they are so critical to a defense. The other areas of need we all know. Many positions to be filled.

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January 23, 2019 at 08:05 am

Thanks for the update Jersey Al. I watched the entire game between the Rams and Saints, because I was playing with my grandson, and feel very bad for the Saint's fans. The Chiefs/Patriots not so much. I don't see a need to change the OT rules. What I saw from the Chiefs was score quickly and give the ball back to Brady and New England..why? Yes take some time off the clock so Brady doesn't have 2+ minutes left to get a TD. You already showed the world that you couldn't stop them. Not a lot of strategic thinking by the Chiefs.

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Razer's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:18 am

All this talk of Brees, Brady and Championship games has me wondering how we fell so far off the pace. The Packers are a mid tier team, drafting in the middle of the order these days. Is there a New Orleans style of turnaround coming or will we be pushing the big reset button in another year or two. Lot of work to be done next year.

Al - please stop leading with pictures of a bewildered Mike McCarthy lost on the sidelines. Winter is long enough as it is.

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dobber's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:43 am

Is there a different kind of MM pic that is less than about 6 years old?

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January 23, 2019 at 09:59 am

LOL!

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PeteK's picture

January 23, 2019 at 09:07 am

HaHaHa, I agree. We were in the sub zero zone here in the metro area. It certainly seems that Rogers got what he wanted ,change. Now the pressure is on him and I wouldn't bet against his talent. Especially if we can get the O line ( TE included) fixed. Also, greatly enjoyed watching Pats FB Develin crushing people. Pats proved that executing an antiquated offense can still be very successful.

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JerseyAl's picture

January 24, 2019 at 11:12 am

Sounds like the picture I chose had the desired effect...

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albert999's picture

January 23, 2019 at 10:26 am

Mallory interviews for ST coach
BUT.....READ BELOW

Mallory has been coordinating special teams in the NFL since 2008. He served five years (2008-12) as the assistant special teams coordinator for the New Orleans Saints before leaving to be the coordinator for the Jaguars in 2013. He held that role for three seasons before being demoted to assistant special teams coordinator in 2017 under Joe DeCamillis.
In 2005, Mallory was retained as the defensive coordinator at Illinois by Ron Zook, the former Packers special teams coordinator. He was fired by Zook in 2006. LaFleur let Zook go after he was hired earlier this month.
WTF?

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stockholder's picture

January 23, 2019 at 11:21 am

With losing comes disrespect. MM couldn't change this around. He became the target and still is. The season was on him. He got fired. But I still see how much the players played into this. Missed points are on your Qb and kicker. Teams don't advance with blown opportunities. LeFleur's coaching and staff is nothing more then a new SPIN. Their trying to wake the zombies. This team needed medics last year. They would have been better hiring an exorcist. The devil is always in the details with a new coach. The packers tried to make changes last year. And it blew up in MMs Face. I'll be looking for the boobie traps again. The pats on the back. And if the packers go below .500, do we fire the coach? Get a new QB. Get a new Kicker. Get a Rg. Get a pass Rusher. Get a Safety. Etc. Etc. People targeted MM. The excuses already look like a dump. Are we going to judge Lafleur on his play calling? No, MM was the goat. GreenBays new goats are Rodgers and Crosby. Murphy and Gute will see to that.

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packergal's picture

January 23, 2019 at 02:58 pm

Stockholder,

I marvel at your defense and loyalty to MM (despite disagreeing) and have one question for you.

You write "The Packers tried to make changes last year"...And it blew up in MMs Face"...

Can you elaborate on what changes the Packers made and especially what changes did MM make specifically?

I ask because many here have commented that they saw few changes and instead, saw "the same old, tired offense from years ago with lots of vertical routes and scramble plays and horrid ST plays"....

Not trying to be rude--just asking.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 24, 2019 at 03:17 am

Packergal I'm assuming stockholder is talking about how MM brought back Philbin and claimed that the 2 of them "took a scrub brush to the playbook". Got fans excited for a new look on offense and instead we got the same thing we've seen not working for years. The other big change was Gute attempting to utilize FA.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 24, 2019 at 03:31 am

IDK, JS. A bunch of the film guru guys suggested that the offense did have new ideas and new wrinkles. What remained static was AR's decision-making when he dropped back to pass and his pre-snap reads and audibles. Maybe, anyway.

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stockholder's picture

January 24, 2019 at 11:47 am

Correct.

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PeteK's picture

January 24, 2019 at 08:16 am

You mean that same old tired offense that Pats just used to beat the best two teams in their conference. Here's something old but not tired , winning offense starts upfront. Many to blame for thinking a superstar QB could win championships while neglecting the O line.

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stockholder's picture

January 24, 2019 at 11:53 am

Let's not forget the injuries. The OL is second to DBs getting hurt in the NFL. I think this should have been judged on Time playing and not games started. The disconnect between Rodgers and MM was obvious.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 23, 2019 at 11:57 am

"Each team gets one possession on offense - if still tied, then it's sudden death"

It is that simple, right?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 23, 2019 at 02:57 pm

I have felt MM has been losing the team for years. Big signs to me were when players were instructed to perform very specific duties and they became insubordinate and defied instructions. Nothing shouts out more problems to me than that especially when they occur at very critical points in games. A coach who has control is less likely to have behavioral issues like this. The fact MM had an extra 5 or 6 assistant coaches seems now to fit with him struggling to remain control of the team. The fact the WR coach according to Rodgers had no clue what he was doing and MM kept him screams problems internally. All season I kept saying these WR's have been balling their whole life and practicing every week with Rodgers, so how difficult is it for them to learn to come back towards Rodgers in a scramble play? Well now it appears the problem 'may' very well have been with the assistant coach instructing the receivers to keep going down field. I mean what else would be the explanation? You have monster megatron TV screens on each end of the stadiums that players watch when running down field. The WR's know when the play has broken down and Rodgers is scrambling. There were huge problems going on in GB and I think more serious than most of us even realize.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 24, 2019 at 03:35 am

What else could it be? AR didn't like Raih?

That phenom, Kliff Kingsbury, wasted no time in hiring Raih as his WR coach. AR should know more Raih as a coach than Kingsbury.

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ricky's picture

January 23, 2019 at 06:17 pm

Two comments. So, if teams start passing more on first down, then you'd need to have LBers who could cover, rather than those "third down specialists", correct? At least until teams started running more on first down to take advantage of LBers who are coverage aces, but not as good at run defense. The chess game continues.

Second, if you go with each team getting a possession in OT, even if the first team scores a TD, and then go to "sudden death", then its still the coin flip that gives one team the advantage. So, what has changed, other than the game getting longer?

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Community Guy's picture

January 23, 2019 at 08:14 pm

good points Al!

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buckybadgerbb's picture

January 24, 2019 at 10:11 am

"NFL teams overall averaged 7 yds per pass on 1st down, 6.6 yds on 2nd down and 5.4 on 3rd down."

While I agree that throwing more often on 1st down may be a good idea, I think this analysis conflates down with distance.

That is, it may well be that teams average more yards on first down because they are trying to get 10. On second down, they are trying to get (on average) maybe 6? And on third, maybe 3?

To really uncover the relationship between down and distance, I'd like to see a breakdown of yards gained on 1st and 10, vs. 2nd and 10, and 3rd and 10.

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albert999's picture

January 24, 2019 at 08:03 pm

Interviewing Tom Quinn....SERIOUSLY

Under Quinn, the Giants’ special teams units were all over the map. According to Rick Gosselin’s annual rankings the Giants finished as high as second (in 2015) and as low as 32nd (2017). Quinn oversaw two top-five units and three top-ten squads, while seeing his groups finish in the bottom five of the NFL three times as well. Here are the Giants’ places in those rankings over Quinn’s tenure:

2007: 17th
2008: 4th
2009: 20th
2010: 30th
2011: 22nd
2012: 7th
2013: 28th
2014: 25th
2015: 2nd
2016: 18th
2017: 32nd

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