Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - An A-Mason Win

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

The Packers offense was a bit sporadic and "un-rhythmic" if that's a real word. While they always do more than enough shooting themselves in the foot, I have to give a bunch of credit to the Cincy defense. They looked to be well coached, and seemed to know what was coming most of the time. The first series, I think the Packers caught them with some unexpected plays, but after that, it was a pretty vanilla offense.

Mason - what can you say? LaFleur was going to show his loyalty to Mason until the end of time. Mason deserves it, but I don't think I would have so easily given up trying to score a TD on the last drive.

Bohorquez had a bad punt and evidently is human - we've been robbed!

Fast feet - Does Davante have the fastest feet you've ever seen on a wide receiver? Does anyone come close?

Space man - Please get Aaron Jones into space as much as you can. Once he has room to operate, electric things happen.

Swing and a miss - How in the world did Savage whiff at the deep ball that Chase caught before the half for a walk-in touchdown? He seemed to time his jump perfectly and then just missed the ball despite being right on it. A seven point mistake that turned the game around for the Bengals. And why are the Packers rushing two and giving Burrow over 8 seconds to let his speedsters run around and get open?

Kickoffs - While the punting, punt coverage and punt return game has improved, kickoffs are entirely another matter. In this game, the Bengals had kickoff returns of 44, 28 and 22 yards. If the Packers at any time are telling Crosby to positional kick instead of kick it out of the end zone, that needs to stop. Maybe it's just that Crosby can't always get it that deep anymore, in which case it's a moot point, but if it's intentional - please end it. 

Tackling - I don't know how many total missed tackles the Packers had, but I'm confident Samaje Perine had to be responsible for over 90% of them. That dude runs hard and it takes a village to bring him down.

Run Game Scheme - The Cincy front four did a great job in controlling the line of scrimmage, and yet the Packers continued to try to pound the middle of the line without much success. I felt like more plays designed to get Jones outside were in order. Something like the first play of the game which I don't think they ever came back to.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Houndog's picture

October 13, 2021 at 06:38 am

Agreed, the offense seemed, uh, somewhat bland.
As for pounding the middle, again I agree, why continue doing what doesn't seem to be working?
On Crosby, who would YOU rather have, can you name 5, or even 3? Ultimately, I think LaFleur has bigger everyday concerns.
I initially thought Savage had intercepted that ball, then Chase took off running and I was going WTF just happened? He needs to make that pick!
But hey, it's win, and I'll take it. Just hoping them injury bug finds a new home.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 13, 2021 at 06:53 am

Right on spot for all you wrote.

I'll say Lucas Patrick had underachieving game. He was better in the past.

If Bohorquez need from time to time to have bad punt, this game was the one he can be excuse, because Packers D played well. It will be the problem only if those bad punts will happen more frequently...

There was some posts how Mason's problem with FGs might be caused by leaking right side protection. Because all his 3 missed kick and missed 1 point conversion was wide left, as he was worrying of possible kick blocking from the right side. That might have some influence...

Davante is Davante and we all knows for what he is capable. I would like to see him less targeted for more % in catches. For that our beloved QB has to use other receivers more often.

Both RB (Aaron & AJ) did nicely their tasks. Bengals D was finally caught on their knees for that long run by Aaron and one AJ run for 15+ yards in the 2nd half. I take all of those 1-5 yards run as preparing for longer runs later in the game...

I notice that you do not mention ESB, not even honorably. He should be mentioned. Do you have any idea why he is elevated 3 times from PS when he show next to nothing in every aspects of his game? Unfortunately, most of us, fans, expected development of ESB in the right direction, but, by my opinion he regressed heavily. He is taking place from some promising young player.

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dobber's picture

October 13, 2021 at 07:29 am

"There was some posts how Mason's problem with FGs might be caused by leaking right side protection."

It's possible that he was rushing his kicks a little to get them out and that was forcing him to pull those kicks, but he knows that the exit trajectory on a kick that's going to travel 40+ yards isn't changed meaningfully in the first couple feet off his foot--where a block from an outside rusher is most likely to happen. I doubt he was actively trying to kick around a potential blocker.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:01 am

Thanks for your opinion!

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:13 am

I think he was aiming left because he felt the pressure from the right. The one he missed there were 3 guys coming from the right side. While his vision is down on the ball, his head is facing that direction. I really think he knew there was a chance that it could be blocked on the right side so he had to pull it more.

But I also have to question the snap and hold. It starts with the snap. Goode was so good that he could get the snap to the holder with the laces up, so the holder could just put the ball down. Watch our holders, they are constantly turning the ball. Which means they have to turn the ball before the kick. I think that operation has been poor to be honest.

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Coldworld's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:47 am

On at least one, he said he simply picked the wrong line. There are likely a number of factors. It is probably not pure coincidence that the opposing kicker also had issues: he had been clutch for them previously.

Al, you see improvement in the coverage and return units. I really do not. I think we have been very lucky in terms of coverage at this point and have given up way too much too often not withstanding. As to returns, an I the only one who is concerned about decisions as to whether to catch? I see STs as an accident waiting to happen.

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Since'61's picture

October 13, 2021 at 01:52 pm

Dobber - I think the wind was a factor on some of the FGs attempted in that game. Even the Cincy kicker missed his attempts to the left.

As for getting the FG blocking settled it would great if the Packers had a holder who at presented the possibility of a fake. Normally an FG defensive unit has at least one player off the line in case of a fake attempt. The packers holder does not provide that threat so we have 9 versus 11 rather than 9 versus 10 or 9 v. 9.

I always thought utilizing the backup QB as the holder was a good move because he presents the possibility to pass on every FG attempt. Thanks, Since '61

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October 13, 2021 at 02:11 pm

Having the backup QB as the holder used to be a pretty common practice years ago if I remember correctly. Not really sure why you don't see that anymore. I agree that it "presents the possibility to pass on every FG attempt". Why not use every trick you can?

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Since'61's picture

October 13, 2021 at 04:14 pm

13TimeChamps yes it was a common practice back in the day. During the Lombardi era, our starting QB, Bart Starr was the holder for PATs and FGs. Even MM put a few fake FGs out there over the years.

I have no idea if Bojorquez can either throw or run with the football for a fake attempt. I'm guessing he can't which is why our opponents are lining up all 11 defenders to attempt to block the kick. Thanks, Since '61

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October 13, 2021 at 05:04 pm

Speaking as a former kicker (old fashioned, square-toe type like Jerry Kramer.), I always wanted my holder to be a WR/TE/P because they were used to receiving the snap at a high rate of speed whereas a QB isn't. Even receiving a shotgun snap isn't the same. In college, our holder my freshman year was a DB. He was good. The next season (before I pulled and tore both hamstrings.), our backup QB was the holder. He did a good job.

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October 13, 2021 at 07:49 am

"While the punting, punt coverage and punt return game has improved, kickoffs are entirely another matter."

I would argue that the quality of the punter is improving the quality of the coverage. There's less room for a returner to do anything due to better hang time and directionality. More likely: the Packers haven't punted very much (they have the 5th lowest number of punts), of which only 6 have been returned (two fair catches and 6 inside the 20)...that's a little over one per game. Still, the Packers are surrendering 10.3 yards per return which is in the bottom third of the league.

I think opposing teams are telling their KO returners to take a shot on KOs when they can. They know the Packers are weak there and the risk-reward factor is in their favor.

"but I don't think I would have so easily given up trying to score a TD on the last drive."

As we talked about it waiting for that play to line up (after the review) we felt they had to kick it. They had to take the chance to win--Crosby is a pro, after all--and the 4th and short was something they could make, but they weren't great on short yardage and there are no guarantees (on the kick or the 4th down) and making the first only gives them a new set of downs: a penalty or two and they're playing for a tie. Take your shot at winning the game. As for the TD--I didn't expect that they would play for the TD because Cinci already had a possession. The FG wins it...playing for a TD cuts your chances of winning dramatically. It's one of the rare times where kicking the FG is the aggressive call.

It all ended up working out--roller coaster finish and all--but if it hadn't and they lost, it would be a very different vibe around here.

"The Cincy front four did a great job in controlling the line of scrimmage, and yet the Packers continued to try to pound the middle of the line without much success."

I listened to the game on Sirius--mostly with Cinci broadcasters--and they were absolutely confused by the Packers play-calling (both teams really) as the Packers seemed to be choosing to throw when Cinci was giving two deep safeties (favoring the run) and running against single-high safety looks in the first half. Later in the game, both teams switched those tendencies and the run game picked up for both. I haven't gone back to watch that part of the game, but would be interested to hear from those who have digested it whether this is right. If so, the question for #12 is: what are you thinking?

"Does Davante have the fastest feet you've ever seen on a wide receiver? Does anyone come close?"

For a receiver that you would think most teams are game-planning around, he's running free and wide open across the deep middle more than just about any WR I can think of.

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October 13, 2021 at 11:07 am

Adams is smart. He’s elusive as well, combine the two and one has the kind of player who can read opponents and take himself into space. However, we have relied on this too much. We need to involve others because it can be foiled by the right defenses. Hopefully, we are just running with the hot hand and keeping the playbook hidden for a time when it’s needed.

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October 13, 2021 at 12:02 pm

great point about hoping that we're hiding the playbook. there are plays available that are missed due to what's been called davontevision. Personally, that looks like the mccarthy offense and it isn't nearly as much fun to watch as we saw the last two years. GPG

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October 13, 2021 at 08:03 am

The Packers offense -
"un-rhythmic" is a good word to describe the offense. When Rodgers plays within the scheme the offense is so much better. When he takes his drop and fires the ball to who ever, he is much better. When he focuses on Adams so much it does become un-rhythmic. I get it Adams is the best in the league. But to run the offense, he needs to try and keep it balanced and find other WR's/TE's as well.

Mason -
I said it the other day and then it was repeated all over. But to me it felt like he was feeling the pressure from the right side. Especially after the last couple of games, so he was aiming left. The one looked to me like it was tipped by the defender on the right side. Another question is, has the LS been good enough?

what can you say? LaFleur was going to show his loyalty to Mason until the end of time. Mason deserves it, but I don't think I would have so easily given up trying to score a TD on the last drive.

Bohorquez -
I believe his bad punt was a really low snap if I remember right? I'm sensing a theme here with the snaps.

Fast feet -
I don't have anyone I can compare his feet to. I can't remember any WR that way. The closest I can really compare him to is Barry Sanders. I'm not comparing them as players or anything. But his ability to make people miss is Barry like.

Space man -
I love when they bring in another RB and have Jones out wide. I actually really liked the Kylin Hill in the backfield with him. They both are a bit more explosive. That is a combination to watch moving forward.

Swing and a miss -
"How in the world did Savage whiff at the deep ball that Chase caught before the half for a walk-in touchdown?"
I have no clue how he missed that ball. Still don't know how it got through.
I have to add Chase is the real deal. Damn is he good.

Kickoffs -
I really wonder if he just can't do it consistently. I have also wondered this myself. But I really question if his leg can handle doing it that much during the games and the season.

Tackling -
Since Campbell took over, it seems like the missed tackles have went down. Perine definitely is a hard guy to bring down. He was the only player they really struggled to bring down though.

Run Game Scheme -
This is where we really missed Myers. Patrick did ok filling in. But there is a reason why he is a backup this year. The 3 Interior players are simply better. I was hoping to see a bit more jet sweeps type of plays. Just to get the eyes moving sideways. I feel like that will be coming. Don't be surprised if its this week.

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dobber's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:15 am

"The Packers offense -"

Someone else said it: the Packers always seem to play ugly games with Cinci. Maybe it's just the broader "game you expect to win" thing featuring a very unfamiliar opponent: we expect them to roll, but are playing a team they need to feel out, too. Same has to be true for Cinci...although this might be the first time in a long time they've played the Packers and maybe had some real expectation to win.

"I have no clue how he missed that ball. "

He came in hot playing the ball...unlucky chance. Chase inexplicably got behind the defense. It happens. Luckily it didn't cost them the game.

"Run Game Scheme -"

Packers have to be able to at least threaten the Bears with the run game to keep their front seven honest. If they can't run and become one-dimensional, I think the Bears front will push the Packers OL all over the place. The Bears are weak in their secondary--Jackson is a good S, but the CBs can be had. That's only going to happen if the Packers can generate time for QB1 to throw.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:58 am

anyone can eventually get behind the defense when the QB has all day to pick and choose because of a 2 man rush...a 2 man rush..when has that ever worked out...some of the most horrid plays in Packers history were caused by the prevent defense.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 13, 2021 at 09:04 am

The Bengals aren't the Bengals of old. That being said, we were playing without our top 3 OL. Playing without our top CB, and then another CB played most of the game hurt. Also our deep threat on offense has been out the last few games. We definitely are a hurting team right now.

That was definitely the game changing play. I just don't know how he missed the ball. He was right there. He covered a lot of ground to get in that spot though.

I agree about the run game with the Bears. I think getting Myers back would be huge. Also if they could get Jenkins back, that would be a huge help. I bet we see more motion this week. I think Rodgers has a bit of an impact in the game. Also Kylin Hill I think will be used again in multi back sets. Quick passes also will be key in this game.

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jurp's picture

October 13, 2021 at 10:14 am

Savage missed the pass the same way that Polamolu missed an AR TD in the Super Bowl - football is a game of inches, and in both cases they missed by maybe a half-inch.

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October 13, 2021 at 08:07 am

I do wonder if Crosby could kick it out of the end zone all game long (wind being neutral) if he tried. I suspect that he could not. But when the default spot for the ball on kick-offs is the 25, returns of 28 and 22 are basically a draw. It's the bigger returns that have to be eliminated.

We talk about how awesome the Oline has been playing with all of those young guys in there, but complain about the vanilla offense. Those two things are probably directly related. Someone else commented earlier this week - Tonyan has disappeared in the red zone this year. There are only so many variations of "chip-block turns into passing route" and defenses are probably looking for them at this point. The Packers are getting by with this Oline, they are not thriving with it. They are not in the top 10 for points per game. They are not in the top 15 in yards per game. This offense is handcuffed by a make-shift line and a QB who is dependent on one player.

Dillon and Jones are probably the best RB 1-2 punch in the league. Different body types, but they both can do almost anything. Thunder and lightning. It's like the Buccaneers with Alstott and Dunn, except Jones is way better than Dunn. And then you got Rodgers at QB instead of Trent Dilfer. This offense should be unstoppable. But its not. See above.

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October 13, 2021 at 09:09 am

DITTO on everything Mark just said. Excellent comment as usual.

I mentioned it in one of my comments as have others.... Marks word usage of "Handcuffed" is perfect because they really are somewhat handcuffed by the O-Line.

Once healthy I'd like to see an O-Line from let to right as follows: David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Josh Meyers, Jon Runyon Jr, and Billy Turner. Neuman has been okay but I think JRJ is the better Guard. Just my opinion.

Big Bob has disappeared but does Rodgers even look for him? Again, and I've mentioned this multiple times as have others, Rodgers at times MAKES this team dependent on one player. There's only one player who has the ball in his hands every play, and he's the ONLY one who can throw it to anyone NOT wearing 17.... One last thing... PLEASE put Malik Taylor in and give him a shot. He's BETTER than EQ, is just as fast, and IMO has better hands and runs better routes.

Dillon & Jones....MLF and Rodgers have to stick to the running game, especially in the 4th quarter. Again this past week we watched Jones and Dillon run with some success only to suddenly stop. Just getting Meyers and Jenkins back will help immensely. Keep it going, let Dillon meet those Safeties head on early, and I promise you they'll start making business decisions later and want nothing to do with those thighs!

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October 13, 2021 at 09:58 am

"Rodgers at times MAKES this team dependent on one player. "

Absolutely, and we know this because the offense has been so diverse and productive the last two years when #17 has had to sit due to injury. When teams can't cover Adams, and the pickings are easy, I have no problems pass-funneling to your best player. But they're going to run into physical secondaries who can cover, and at that point, #12 needs to pivot to those guys who are playing with a single defender and NOT drawing double coverage/safety help.

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October 13, 2021 at 05:36 pm

Mark, you are spot on with everything!

Many talk on here how most of the WR'S are not signed for next year. With the favoritism AR consistently shows Adam's and now Cobb if I was a WR I guarantee I would not resign if Rodgers was coming back. Not a good team player IMO. Screw the favoritism and spread the ball around. Guys like Lazard and Tonyan I bet will not resign if Rodgers is returning. Why would they return when Rodgers virtually ignores them even when open? Yes, I know LAST YEAR Big Bob caught a lot of TDs, however he is seriously underutilized. A shame!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 13, 2021 at 09:10 pm

Excellent comment. I agree.

On Crosby, a lot of people have indicated it was windy. Maybe the place is a wind tunnel (official weather was 5-8 MPH winds with gusts to 12 MPH).

It was also 80 degrees. Unless it was in a gale, kickers should be getting touchbacks. OTOH, the opposing kicker had 3 touchbacks on 4 kickoffs, so he didn't get one into the endzone. OTOH Part II, I think opposing teams should make the Packers return kickoffs.

The only caveat I have with your comment is that opposing teams get those 22 and 25 (it was 28) yard returns when they don't get longer returns. There is no downside to returning the kickoff against GB. When there is no downside but only upside to a specific course of action, that makes competitors very comfortable.

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x24's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:11 am

Rodger's "Davante-vision" is the root cause of Packer's offensive arrhythmia

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Packerfansupreme's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:43 am

Does it feel like Rodgers is resisting the game plan. Run, throw....take what the defense gives you.

Ir is lafleur just choosing to get away from the plan?

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Johnblood27's picture

October 13, 2021 at 11:43 am

I really, really doubt that the HC who prepares the weekly game-plan just gives up on it...

just sayin...

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greengold's picture

October 13, 2021 at 09:14 am

Al, on those runs up the middle, I completely agree with you they need to be bounced outside. As a matter of fact, they have the perfect solution on the roster to pair with Aaron Jones in floating wide and cutting up to daylight: Kylin Hill.

I think they should be recognizing opponents' Run D strengths when they draw up their game plans, and use the personnel that best fits a sound plan of attack. The CIN DL was one of the best run stoppers in the NFL last year, and not much has changed this season. All the more reason to use RBs that are adept at swinging out wide for the opening, and turning it upfield.

Kylin Hill is that guy. Watch his film. That is his specialty. Remarkable talent and instincts to find the seam, and accelerate North-South.

Great work as always, Al. Thank you!
GPG

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Coldworld's picture

October 13, 2021 at 11:12 am

There is a point to running up the middle that plays into both outside runs and the pass offense. We need to just be better at it, but running up the middle sets up so much else by forcing defenders to stay close longer and DCs to make calls that account for the threat.

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October 13, 2021 at 09:20 pm

In addition, the packers have been good running up inside, both in prior years and this year. Patrick can't run block. That's been a weakness to his game for years. Newman has not been a good run blocker either. Turner had a bad day. Sooooo, no dice vs. Cincy.

Linsley really helped in that regard. Still, the return of Myers will help, whenever that happens. The return of Jenkins and eventually Bakh obviously should as well. Until then, yes, time to run inside only enough to make the defense honor it.

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October 13, 2021 at 10:05 am

Packers are very one dimensional in the passing game this season. Is that because QB12 wants to help Adams maximize his upcoming contract? Sure seems it. As good as Adams is, it is only a matter of time before good defenses manage to bottle him up. At that point, Mr. Rodgers will need to reacquaint himself with other WR/TE on the team.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 13, 2021 at 11:46 am

...and by that time it may very well be too late to gain the timing and chemistry needed in order to operate a balanced, productive offense.

This equals a loss that seems like a game we should win... and many times the team that successfully takes Adams out of the game is a playoff team that advances while we complain about AR not having any help...

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October 13, 2021 at 11:44 am

I love the way Jones finished his long run, by pushing a defender out of the way. I think Lazard and Tonyan will eventually be heard from loudly as defenses start to forget about them while concentrating on Adams, Cobb, Jones, and now Dillon. He's only going to get more comfortable catching the ball out of the backfield and those poor little CB and S will have major turf burns and cleat marks to nurse on Monday.

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October 13, 2021 at 11:55 am

On Mason. It was a windy day with both kickers missing a combined six tries. Matt's faith in his kicker was rewarded. Thankfully. I cannot imagine what the commentary would have read like had he missed.

On Davante. Had he chosen to play basketball instead of football, many broken ankles would have littered the courts of the NBA from his cross-over drives to the rim. His lateral quickness combined with his instant acceleration make him unguardable.

On Savage. It seems the Packers DB's have always had issues with timing and playing the ball. Coaching? The water? Coincidence? Who knows?

Always an enjoyable read, Al.

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October 13, 2021 at 01:08 pm

I’ve never seen a fan base whine about throwing to the best receiver in football too much, but this is the place. Here’s the reason why, more often then not no one else is open and he’s the best receiver in football. I know you’ll all cherry pick a play here and there, when Lazard is actually open or whatever but the reality is that we’ve haven’t invested in receivers in years and this is the result. And yes when Davante is tripled in the nfc championship game this year and whoever is bringing more pressure than we can handle, I hope Cobb still has enough left in the tank to get open quickly, Mvs and Lazard can’t do it very often. When Rodgers had 5 good receivers 2009-2016 he had no problem spreading the ball around. I’m sure he’s like all of you, wishes he could spread it around more often

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PeteK's picture

October 13, 2021 at 04:09 pm

In a nutshell. Adams leads the NFL in catches, yds, big plays, and first downs. As linemen come back other receivers will blossom.

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CheesyTex's picture

October 13, 2021 at 08:31 pm

It's very possible that Packers are holding back on the playbook, recognizing that it is a 17 game season. Depending on match-ups, it wouldn't be at all surprising to see the passing game look more like it did last year.

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wildbill's picture

October 13, 2021 at 01:40 pm

Seems to me that our jet sweep action does help show what defense the other team may be in but unless that player touches the ball every now and then it will not have the effect on the defense we desire.

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