Confessions of a Polluted Mindset 2020 - Packers Beat Down the Bears

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Bear Down: Chicago didn't Bear Down, they got beat Beat Down, making this one of the more enjoyable Packers games to watch of the La-Flew-Er era. 

La-Flew-Er: (I'm doing this so I get used to saying it correctly). I think our coach is one of the best listens in terms of his press conferences. Sure, he knows the coach-speak routine, but he intersperses that with little moments of humility and humanness . Speaking about Rodgers this week, he said, "Even when I make a bad call, he definitley makes us look good." This is something I've said for a long time - Rodgers has been covering up coaching mistakes for years (see McCarthy, Mike).

The Run Game: All week I was expounding the need for this team to keep the run game as a consistent part of this offense. Our coach fell off that wagon the previous two games, each time saying they have to do better the next game but then didn't. The job LaFleur/Rodgers did with that vs. the Bears was my top takeaway from this game.

Power/Gap: Speaking of the run game, the Packers game plan actually mixed up the blocking schemes and attacked the middle of the Beasrs defense, which did two things. One, it went right at the hole left by the absence of Akiem Hicks. Two, it kept the Bears' linebackers honest, delaying their ability to attack off the edges. Roquan Smith had a very quiet game, not a single solo tackle and just five assists. Here Ben Fennell diagrams one such run for you.

 

3-man rush: The second big thing I took from this game was the lack of even a single 3-man rush. I wanted to be sure I didn't miss one, so I checked with Ben Fennell:

 

Lucas Patrick: I want to give some love to the forgotten man of the Packers' offensive line. Everyone else is getting the accolades, but Patrick is quietly doing a fine job at right guard and may have played his best game Sunday Night. And this while battling a toe injury, which I had no idea about, and explains why he was taken out towards the end of the game.

OL of 2022: Going left to right, DBAK, Runyon, Jenkins, Stepaniak, and ??? This could even be the case in 2021, assuming Linsley gone. Only change might be Patrick if Stepaniak isn't ready.

Boyle Time: There was a lot of consternation and jumping up and down from fans during the fourth quarter about why Aaron Rodgers wasn't taken out with the game in hand. Well, The Packers were ready to do so and had Boyle warming up, but the Packers' defense didn't cooperate. Once they let it become a two posession game with almost four minutes still left on the clock, it was completely the right thing to do to stick with Rodgers. Too many two-posession leads have been lost in the final few minutes of games. Mistakes that lead to scores happen, and bringing in your backup quarterback increases the odds. I found myself swimming against the tide of opinion, but I immediately thought he was doing the right thing as others were complaining.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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mnbadger's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:49 am

great summary Al. And thank you for showing us an example of what Man vs boy looks like in the NFL trenches. Hopefully Jace's big brothers will give him serious hell in the film room this week so he doesn't get exposed like that again. If you look closely, you can see urine running down his left leg. Otherwise, great win. GPG

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Minniman's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:40 pm

Totally agree. What a contrast between this and the play that Al spoke about in his ‘3 plays that make...’ article.

Intent is a powerful thing. I’m looking forward to Sternberger growing from this. If it’s good enough for the WR’s to be compelled to block with intent, same too for the TE’s.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:29 pm

Mis-step and lost some leverage when Mack blasted his punch. Just needs a bit more time in the weight room and work out in the boxing ring for his footwork. Sternberger put the hurt on Clowney a couple of times during that playoff game. Maybe you wet yourself over it , but I doubt he does.

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December 03, 2020 at 02:23 am

I'm certain that Sternberger has more toughness and courage than you ever thought about having mnbadger. After all, he is a professional football player while you are nothing more than an internet tough guy.

It is unfortunate that you cannot craft a comment without a crass reference to bodily fluids.

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PeteK's picture

December 03, 2020 at 07:28 am

Stirring up the dirt again. Hahaha

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Nate-1980's picture

December 04, 2020 at 05:26 pm

Yet why is it highplains that almost every comment you make is shit talking and negative against posters here ?? Look in the mirror bud, you might recognize someone..:)

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December 02, 2020 at 08:27 am

Runyan is a find......many coaches would not have a rookie 6th rounder run power and did it well....this is out of the Badgers playbook....The whole offensive line played very well, I thought Billy Turner was just okay....he was beat like a drum by Mack a few times but many Tackles are too.

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Coldworld's picture

December 02, 2020 at 08:12 am

With no hits let alone sacks, if I remember correctly, I think Turner did just fine at both guard and tackle.

In addition to the commitment to the run game, whether because of that or what permitted it, it was good to see lanes being created. That has not always been the case and will be significant if it can continue.

I agree with you on Boyle. I want to blame Pettine, but can’t really argue that the soft D didn’t achieve the objective of letting the Bears grind their way out of time and the game. Still, am I the only one who thinks we are very poor at prevent type D? It’s always ugly but we just seem to make it even uglier than it should be.

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Razer's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:43 am

...am I the only one who thinks we are very poor at prevent type D? It’s always ugly but we just seem to make it even uglier than it should be...

The truth of this observation is sad. You add coverage guys and drop back to "prevent shit from happening" and have little success with the approach. This defense is so close to 4th and 26 - it scares me.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 03, 2020 at 12:38 pm

We are poor at prevent.....unless....

The goal is to win the game. How many times have we lost a game where we went to it? I think the answer is 0. Yes, it’s unpleasant to watch your opponent move down the field and score when you’re in prevent, but don’t be deceived by the final score. We beat Chicago 41-10. That’s how close the game was.

Personally, I hope the last play of the season has us in prevent.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:31 pm

He was under-drafted. He held his own against Chase Young and sparred with Gary during practices for Big Blue.
Well tutored by his old man.

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December 03, 2020 at 07:39 am

Yeah he may have been beat a few times. But starting this year, I am pretty high on Turner as he is able to also play tackle in addition to guard. Maybe tackle even better. Last year not so much!

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pacman's picture

December 02, 2020 at 07:15 am

I hate the 3 man rush. I never understood rushing 3 vs a hail mary pass attempt either. Why give the qb time to make the throw?

But re: rushing - what are you supposed to do when the rushes are not working? They were working against the Bears, so no problem staying with it.

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jlc1's picture

December 02, 2020 at 08:13 am

Yeah look at the 3 man rush the Bears tried near the goal line. Rodgers walked around until Adams got open for a TD.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:36 am

I’m a guy who likes to rush four and cover seven. But this is the rationale behind it:

You can only put 5 out in patterns, so if these guys are covered what is the QB supposed to do? Wait, of course, but eventually he has to throw it or he’ll get sacked. Bellichick used a two man rush against Peyton Manning because he didn’t think he could pressure Manning into mistakes.

I agree that top QBs like Manning and Rodgers and Brees are rarely pressured into mistakes, but I think pedestrian QBs like Trubisky can be, Rush four.

Re: rushing. To me, it’s like a marriage vow. You have to stick with it, even when it isn’t working as well as you wish it was. I have seen countless hundreds of games where you stick with the run and eventually start breaking runs against tired, beaten up defenders.

You will lose sometimes anyway, but you hate to look at a loss and say “we gave up on the run”. When you have a real good passing team, it’s easy to forget the run. I think we should run more and pass less..

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 03, 2020 at 08:59 pm

It used to be effective, but the DBs are no longer allowed to play tight and the safeties are not allowed to control the middle of the field . It is an anachronism and pointless exercise that let's more teams come from behind in less than 1 minute scenarios that would make Tom Landry puke. Pass Rush was their mantra after the 2018 debacle and they brought in three guys for that purpose--use them. 4-5 man pressure and the only guys that may burn you are Rodgers, Brady, Brees etc.

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December 03, 2020 at 08:58 pm

Six in his face minimum.

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December 02, 2020 at 07:37 am

So far this week has been awesome. I’m walking with a spring in my step. Cyber Monday was huge for my business. Weather has been good. Got a new curved big screen TV. My coon hound’s ears seem to be itching less. Thought it might be the Bears beat down you mentioned but now I realize it was...NO 3 MAN EFFING RUSH!

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Since'61's picture

December 02, 2020 at 07:43 am

Good job as usual Al. Yes, it was great to see a 4 man pass rush throughout the game. No reason not to use it on a consistent basis. Love the play with Runyon pulling to seal off the right side.
MLF and Rodgers are on the same page. Good to see that MLF realizes what he has in Rodgers. Can we trade Love for a draft pick who actually contributes to the team?

Agree with your 2022 OL. Maybe Nijman is ready to be the RT by then or we find an RT in the draft. In any case it looks like we will have a solid OL for a while. Thanks, Since ‘61

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December 02, 2020 at 07:52 am

Minus Love, this may be Gute's best overall draft. Martin and Runyon are proving to be excellent value at 5th and 6th round respectively. Stepaniak could be another valuable 6th rounder once he recovers from his college injury. Deguara was playing well prior to his injury. Dillion, Hanson and Garvin are still unknowns but certainly have potential. I am still not enamored of the Love pick, but if he develops as Gute hopes, this could be a grand slam home run of a draft.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:41 am

What if we said that the Love pick helped motivate Rodgers? Made Rodgers go from last years version to this years. Wouldn't that pick alone make it the best pick they could have made regardless of how Love plays? I don't know how good Love will be, but I do think that in some way it motivated Rodgers. A pissed off Rodgers is a dangerous Rodgers. He has proved that this year. And with that I don't think there was any player in the draft that could have made as big of an impact as Rodgers improving from last year to this years version. IF Love's pick did have any impact on Rodgers, then no other player would have helped that much Imo.

As far as best overall draft, it probably could be debatable. We won't know for a few years about this draft, but the early signs look good overall.
Deguara looked great in the first game until he got hurt. Dillon hasn't had a lot of playing time but did show some flashes. Martin looks like he could be a stud ILB if he can stay healthy. Runyan could be one of our starting OG's next year. Stepaniak and Hanson might be options in the future. Scott has been a good special teams player and has a look to him that could have a future. Garvin has played well when he has played.

His first draft he took Jaire Alexander and also got a 1st round pick in 2019 which was used on Savage. Do we count Savage as a part of the 2018 draft since he got the pick from that move? He also got Jackson who I think needs more playing time. Burks was a bit of a bust. I think injuries have derailed him. They also took MVS, EQ, Bradley, JK Scott.

2019 he took both Gary and Savage who are really starting to emerge. Jenkins should be a pro bowler. Sternberger has been a bit up and down but is contributing. Keke is a really good rusher. Hollman has been a really good special teams player and has performed well when he has been on offense.

In his first 2 drafts he has picked at least 2 absolute studs! Alexander and Jenkins. He has picked 7 true starters as of today in all 3 drafts. (Alexander, Scott, MVS, Bradley, Savage, Jenkins, Martin). Also key players in EQ, Dillon, Jackson, Gary, Sternberger, Keke, Deguara, Runyan.

Overall I like what Gutey has done thus far.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:55 pm

If Daguara and Dillon were on the field at this point in a normal season we would have a bad ass power attack.
I will propose a risk management scenario, given the Sars-2-Cov pandemic we have seen the Broncos w/out any QBs last Sunday and Jackson will not play for the Crows today. If covid ravaged the Packer depth chart with Rodgers going down or Boyle. Does the thought of Kiser or Callahan make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
At that point in rd one of the 2020 draft, after the poach by Lynch for Aiyuk, Love was the best Value on the board in more ways than one. We saw Brooks being schooled in the Monday night game.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:28 am

Drafting a QB with athletic ability before he's needed just might work ,again. It will greatly help whoever is under center to have a solid O line that Al mentioned.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:33 am

Since61,
I'm really no expert on Nijman. Have consistently heard how athletic he is and the upside. However, never see the coaches put him in games. While I would love to see him become a solid Tackle, so far I am not seeing it. If he had all the talent and upside mentioned on here by now you would think you would see him play more. Even Runyan as a rookie is getting significant playing time.

Been my sentiment since the draft the Packers need to select big bodies at Tackle on both sides of the lines in 2021. As being an OT and DT! Whatever position has the higher rated player than he should be #1. We need a couple smash mouth type players and road grader types on this team.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:45 am

I would be happy if he turns out to be a solid backup.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:36 pm

The Packers obviously see something promising in him to make the commitment of keeping him on the 53-man roster for two years now when he doesn't play except for a handful of special teams snaps. Impossible for me to evaluate without seeing some game action.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 02, 2020 at 07:00 pm

Turner's not going anywhere in 2021.

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Slim11's picture

December 03, 2020 at 12:50 pm

It seems the Packers may have started looking. Nijman was in on the Boyle kneel-downs at the end of the game. Not much to look at but he was in there. Is game time, even in garbage time, a reward for strong practices? We'll see...

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Minniman's picture

December 02, 2020 at 03:48 pm

Re Trading Love.

Post draft word was that Indy had a crush on him.

Probably the most anticipated thing for me during next year's pre-season games will be how Love plays (having had a full year in the system).

Funny though, I read a post somewhere earlier this week where Tyreek Hill said that his initial impressions of Mahomes during his first pre-season was that he thought he was - quote, unquote - "trash"......... so I guess we are going to need to buckle in and see how this one pans out.

Either way, I don't see Rodgers going anywhere soon.......... but his circa $40M 2022 cap hit looks like a real doozy to work around. If he continues to play at "Rodgers Standard" next year then it becomes simple. If he starts to show decline next year then it becomes cloudier - but personally I'd still err on the side of the QB that I know vs the potential Mitch Trubisky

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 05:05 pm

I remember watching Mahomes a few times in college and was not overly impressed. He had some tools , but never anticipated this level of greatness. Sitting that first year and of course having talent around him certainly helps.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 02, 2020 at 07:11 pm

Watched a lot of T-tech and could see Mahomes brilliance right off the bat. He made throws in a magical manner, much like Rodgers and Brady in college. Brees ran his system to wins over Ohio State. Some NFL scouts need to stay awake in the film room or at least work the jug after the Saturday afternoon games are completed.

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Razer's picture

December 02, 2020 at 08:00 am

Let the good times roll - eh. The Packers played a good game against a formerly good opponent. Rodgers played at a very high level and totally controlled the game. The Bears were playing without an NFL QB and gave up on their coach - not a good look. The Packers showed us what is possible when they put together 4 quarters on offense and keep the defense off the field.

I like how Rodgers spread the ball around and how he used the tight ends. This may be the most balanced attack we've seen all season. If we can keep this up, the offense will be tough to stop. RT is a problem that threatens to undermine time in the pocket. Sorry Billy Turner just isn't quick enough a tackle.

Great work Al - Thanks.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:15 am

"The Bears were playing without an NFL QB and gave up on their coach - not a good look."

I was utterly shocked by how flat the Bears were, coming off a bye, knowing they needed a win to stay relevant in the playoff chase. With the exception of Fuller, there was no fight in that dog. I was also shocked by what seemed to be an inability--given the bye--to scheme Trubisky into a game plan that would de-emphasize his weaknesses...instead, he looked like Brett Hundley on Sunday night.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:27 am

I think putting together two 7min plus drives in the first 25 min. sapped their energy.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:36 am

It was very cold out and no fans (a handful) in stadium with the game being played late at night while on the road against a superior team.

Motivation dissolved about the time they ran out of the stadium tunnel for warmups.

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December 02, 2020 at 08:09 am

Al, just to underline your comment on Lafleur's humility. Note how when "i" make a bad call Rodgers makes "us" look good. Takes the heat on himself and then gives the credit to the team as a whole.

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December 02, 2020 at 11:56 am

That is the classic technique used by effective managers. It's surprising how much can be accomplished when who gets the credit is not a concern.

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December 02, 2020 at 01:36 pm

good point. I didn't pick that up.

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December 02, 2020 at 08:38 am

Bear Down: Bears still suck!

La-Flew-Er: (I'm doing this so I get used to saying it correctly). I do really think LaFleur and Rodgers are really starting to hit their stride. They seem to be in tune with each other and really have the offense really clicking. Especially now that the weapons are getting healthy.

The Run Game:
It felt like they thought they needed to throw to get the run going until they actually ran it. Then they quickly realized that without Hicks they could run all over the Bears. Right up the middle.

Power/Gap:
It is great to see them running different blocking schemes. Our OL isn't an overpowering line. They are best at running the zone stretch, but being able to mix in some traps could really benefit the running game down the stretch.

3-man rush:
I didn't remember seeing any but great to confirm it. It felt like to me that the pass rush was trying to keep Trubisky from escaping outside and running the ball. They might have kept the 4 rushers to help contain him, but also having King back might be a big reason why they didn't add extra coverage?

Lucas Patrick:
Hopefully Patrick can continue playing. He has been really good.

OL of 2022:
Unless Linsley signs a cheaper deal I just have a hard time seeing the Packers resigning him. I would love to see them resign him, i just think another team is going to offer him more. I think the OL will be Bakhtiari, Runyon, Jenkins, Patrick/Taylor/Stepaniak, Turner. I think RG could be any one of the 3 OG's. Another option would be whomever they draft.

Boyle Time:
I agree they made the right choice. If Boyle throws a pick-6 or anything all of a sudden its a 1 possession game and Rodgers is back in there against a fired up defense. They made the right choice.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:42 am

Something to keep in mind is that Runyon was all Big Ten at left T, which could transition well to RT. I would rather have him at G ,but it's good to have options.

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December 02, 2020 at 11:06 am

Honestly I don't know why Runyan lasted until the 6th round. But regardless he has been really good when he has played.

I have wondered if he could be an OT, but i think they mostly want to keep him at OG.

Like we have seen this year though, versatility is a great thing to have. if he can play 2-3 positions that only helps

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December 02, 2020 at 11:15 am

My understanding is that his projection to G got him lost in the shuffle. College OT --> G conversion projects are a dime a dozen, and he's not the imposing physical specimen that some of those guys are.

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December 02, 2020 at 11:48 am

Which i get to a point. With someone of his bloodlines and what he did at Michigan to me thought he would have been a 4th-5th round at the latest.
I could have been way off on him, but I thought back during the draft that the Packers got a steal with him in the 6th. To be fair I felt the same thing when they drafted EQ too.

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December 03, 2020 at 09:04 pm

He can play RT, no worries...

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December 02, 2020 at 09:21 am

We’re 8-3 and in the hunt for the top seed. We’ve got pretty good health, especially regarding our QB.

I agree with Al that we have to run more. It keeps our QB healthy and our defense off the field. We should run more and pass less.

When we line up MVS and Lazard, and play Adams in the slot, it really forces defenses to make some hard choices. Obviously, you have to pay attention to Adams or we’ll just move it down the field. You have to respect MVS going deep. And Lazard usually has a physical mismatch against a much smaller corner. Then, of course, you still have Tonyan and Jones to contend with. IMO, if Rodgers has time this offense should be able to hang 30+ on anyone.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:58 am

Add to the mix St brown. Yes, we are very formidable as long as we can run the ball to at least a 4 yard avg.

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gkarl's picture

December 02, 2020 at 09:23 am

Al,

Your 3 plays and mind set articles always have some fascinating observations. I Look forward to reading them. Keep up the good work. GPG.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:38 pm

thanks!

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December 02, 2020 at 09:43 am

I know many are ecstatic about win over Chicago. The GB offense took it to an obviously over ranked, hyped defense or a defense that knew a win was impossible because of their offense. I know Hicks is a good player, but I can't believe he is the sole reason for their under performance play. A true Top 5 defense has depth, Hicks not playing and resulting in such failure, says they don't and aren't.

My question is still about the GB defense. Why do they play as though they have a sunroof and pop their heads out against weak offenses once in a while and often fail to open the sunroof with others?. Will the defense bang their head against the roof at the worst moment?

Do teams have unwritten rules that mandate a prevent defense instead of playing the same defense that has stopped an offense for 3+ quarters? Did GB forget this rule and then correct itself to make the game appear closer or create angst?

I think the defense is carrying a low ceiling atop arms stretched high, but the arms don't stretch high enough to keep from banging their heads.

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December 02, 2020 at 09:58 am

The Bears lost two starting defensive tackles - Goodman opted out before the season and Hicks was injured for this game. Great defenses do have depth, but losing two starting tackles on a 3-4 defense is tough for even the best defenses. Get those two guys back and it really frees up Chicago's linebackers to fly around.

Our own defense - all good questions and I have no answers for sure.

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December 02, 2020 at 03:14 pm

I thought it was pretty cold blooded by Pettine to go to a cover 2 and quarters zone. Bears run the ball and eat clock. Bears throw deep and it's Savage time. Downside is the offense deflated a bit in the fourth. Needed to keep the ball longer. With the Bears current offense scheme and personnel groups going zone with constant pressure was the right call.

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Minniman's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:15 pm

Taryn. I wonder what impact the Packers playing more 4 rushers sets (as opposed to the usual 3) had on things?

Also a healthier, complete group across the board may have influenced this performance.

Eagles won’t be a pushover this week and Titans are in a couple of weeks, so I guess we will see

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Packers0808's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:36 am

It seems to be that the center position going forward if Linsley leaves is in

good hands!

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December 02, 2020 at 10:46 am

Do not see the Packers attempting to resign Cory Linsley, plus I do not believe they really need him. He is a good player who is starting to get up there in age a bit and you are starting to see his body (back) is starting to break down. We are seeing him injured significantly more often of late. The Pack has many options on the OL next year including Bakhtiari, Runyon, Jenkins, Patrick/Taylor/Stepaniak, Turner. Plus, I see them picking another OL high in 2021 draft as they are thin at Tackle. There are other players at positions the Pack should first sign.

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December 02, 2020 at 11:04 am

If you could sign only one of the following: Jones, King, Linsley who would it be .I vote Jones because we have another great option at center and King is only a part time player.

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December 02, 2020 at 12:01 pm

I agree with Jones.

Linsley is really, really good. He should be a pro bowl OC. That being said he is another year older and has had a lot of injuries. He has had back issues seems like every year. I'm just not sure giving him big money would be the wisest thing. Now if they can get him on a decent short term deal i would do it.

But if the choice was between those 3 I would sign Jones. The difference between him and Williams is big time. He is a perfect fit for the offense. I would be all for them resigning Jones.

King, is to injured and plays to soft. I am sure he will get a lot more money elsewhere.
In all honesty, was there any difference between Jackson playing and King? Based on Jackson's last game playing and Kings, I think Jackson was better.

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December 02, 2020 at 05:23 pm

In my opinion, Linsley gets much of his high rank from his pass blocking ability. I would prefer a well rounded Flanagan or Wells because it seems to me we never had a problem gaining a yard when they were manning the position.

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December 03, 2020 at 04:39 pm

Yes Jones without a doubt.

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dobber's picture

December 02, 2020 at 11:10 am

I think that by inking Bakhtiari to a long-term deal--and with Wagner and Turner both playing well and under contract for 2021 if the Packers choose to keep them--it takes a lot of pressure off the team to draft a plug-and-play OT in the 2021 draft...something they might have been forced to do if they'd let Bakhtiari walk. It creates flexibility early in the draft to look for players they like and for opportunistic picks (or, more likely, draft a high-end player to replace a different exiting FA), where quality OTs most often are day 1 or 2 picks. I think they use a mid-round pick on a developmental OT, though.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:08 pm

We could save over 4mill if we released Wagner. He might be a very high priced often injured backup player.

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December 03, 2020 at 10:22 pm

I tend to agree. It seems pretty telling that he's still on the bench after 2 injuries to starters (Taylor and Linsley), particularly when MLF keeps talking about getting their best men on the field. I just think he makes too much dough for our 8th best lineman. Especially for a team pushing up againat the cap in 2021.

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wildbill's picture

December 02, 2020 at 11:45 am

I thought the minute they signed Bak that Linsley would be gone as our cap space would not allow it. That coupled with how well other linemen stepped up makes him a goner. Hate to see it but at his age, and the money he will command, it will always be a business.

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stockholder's picture

December 02, 2020 at 10:42 am

Power Gap.- Jace Sternberger needs to block better- Too soft. Ronyan- Nice back-up. Seems his short arms and IQ will fit nicely in Green Bay. Patrick is doing great! Stepping up is what it is all about. OL 2022- Stepanick will be released.( Lost Time) 3 man rush.- I hate it. Regardless who is the QB. Seems King may have more to do with that then you think. Boyle Time. - This was the Bears. The cheap shots are a given with the Bears. Too much Respect for them. I vote pull.

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December 02, 2020 at 10:53 am

"This is something I've said for a long time - Rodgers has been covering up coaching mistakes for years (see McCarthy, Mike)."

And if you are looking for additional evidence, just watch a Dallas Cowboy game this year. Funny how all the same stupid shit the McCarthy Packers used to do (dreadful special teams, questionable play calling, downright stupid calls, poor game management, putrid Defense) are now hallmarks of the 2020 Dallas Cowboys. Coincidence? I think not.

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splitpea1's picture

December 02, 2020 at 11:09 am

"...downright stupid calls, poor game management..."

Like the fake punt against WFT on fourth-and-ten from well inside your own territory--when the game is still in the balance and very winnable? I don't know what he could have possibly been thinking there.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 05:24 pm

Where do I sign for an identical 12 years out of Lafleur.

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PatrickGB's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:26 pm

I think that I read somewhere that MM is not calling plays this year.

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Slim11's picture

December 04, 2020 at 06:27 am

He started the season letting the OC call plays. He did that several years ago with Tom Clements but took the play-calling duties back midway through that season (2015?). He may have done that this season. Would anyone be surprised?

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December 02, 2020 at 02:18 pm

"This is something I've said for a long time - Rodgers has been covering up coaching mistakes for years (see McCarthy, Mike)."

According to rumors toward the end of MM's tenure as HC for the Packers, he was skipping meetings and spending most of his time in his office with his personal massage therapist. He would then attend games and call a lot of plays that had been removed from the offensive game plan without him being in meetings to develop the gameplan. That apparently led to the falling out with Rodgers.

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December 02, 2020 at 03:23 pm

That story was debunked pretty early on. McCarthy-Rodgers became a mess for a lot of reasons. Most of them not McCarthy's fault. But it was clear that by the end of that season he was burned out and was done in Green Bay.

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splitpea1's picture

December 02, 2020 at 11:02 am

Not only did Roquan Smith have a quiet game, but you hardly heard a peep from K. Mack, either. Even without the Bears' defense being at full strength, it's still noteworthy that the OL held them sack-less for the entire game.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 11:17 am

Yes, they were still a D filled with talent. Put Urban and Nicholls on our D line and we are much improved.

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December 02, 2020 at 09:16 pm

I doubt that. Bilal might help but he really is not better than Lancaster. Just don't think those two are better than Keke and Montravius. If Pettine is going to play Lowry even though Keke and Adams are better, what difference does it make?

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PeteK's picture

December 03, 2020 at 07:52 am

This season Nichols has almost the same TFL( 5) than the 4 aforementioned players (6).

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Blood-McNally's picture

December 02, 2020 at 11:21 am

Spot on, Al
I am so impressed with the depth along the offensive line. The second time I watch the games, on tape, I like to concentrate on line blocking and I fail to see a weak link which is so prevalent on many teams. We certainly shouldn't forget to give ample credit to Adam Stenavich, the offensive line, coach for the development and cohesiveness of this unit as well as the individual players.

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Turophile's picture

December 02, 2020 at 12:04 pm

Flew-er ?
I'd say Flur is much closer, but then I'm English and we have colour and bonnet and rubbish, while you have color, hood and trash, while pants are underclothes in my country and trousers in yours. There is a google link if you type in 'how to say fleur' that seems to be more flur than Flew-er, but Americans have strange pronounciation (heh heh).

As for the O line, it seems at least possible (to me) that Elgton Jenkins (listed at 6'5", 311 pounds) could play RT (let's face it, he could do a decent or better job at any spot on the line). The real question (for me) is where he is best suited - I'd rather have a stellar left guard (or possibly centre, sorry center) than a solid RT. I'm still thinking the Packers have a decent chance of acquiring a RT in the 2021 draft on day one or two (at this too-early time, there seems to be several OT prospects bunched at the end of round one).

However, there are two problems with this. The first problem is that positions other than RT could use an early pick (DL, WR, and very likely CB, for example), and the second is that it is not easy to guess what Gutekunst will do on draft day (just look at the 2020 draft).

One thing that should get more 'airtime' is the job OL coach Adam Stenavich is doing (maybe his assistant Luke Butkus as well). The O line has had many changes this year, but has weathered all the adjustments and replacements exceptionally well. Finally, although Stenavich seems to be coaching really well, the players still have to execute, and they have.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:42 pm

La-Flew-Er is how he pronounces it. That info came out this week

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PatrickGB's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:31 pm

One underrated addition to our offensive line has been Lewis. You showed the knockdown of Jace by Mack. But Lewis put Mack on the ground at least once during the game. Good blocking TE’s are rare and he has made some key catches as well.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 02, 2020 at 01:43 pm

I showed this in my "3 plays..." post yesterday.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-vs-bears-3-plays-that-make-you-go-...

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December 02, 2020 at 09:21 pm

In Al's article, I believe the video was in the Ben Fennell tweet, Lewis has to reach block the LB on the play highlighting Runyan pulling. Got enough to prevent that LB from making the play.

Lewis might be a bit one-dimensional (I'd like to see him leak out into routes a little - not too much - more), but he is a valuable player.

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December 02, 2020 at 03:59 pm

Thanks, Al. Interesting as always. Packer O line did something similar at this time last year in their outside zone run game. One thing I noticed is this front office- scouting staff likes smart players in their O line. How they look does not bother them in the least. (That said Turner and Jenkins are prototype athletes, not a once of body fat) The complaints about Pettine in the fourth have merit. Still, he forced the Bears to burn clock on both drives. But the offense went a bit flat in the same quarter, and did not hold on to the ball till the three-minute mark. Understandable that MLF was unsure of his O line play with the changes. We'll see if he keeps to running the ball next week.

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PeteK's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:17 pm

It puzzles me that we are running the ball less efficiently this season yet our passing attack is much better. Usually the opposite occurs as teams adjust. Hopefully the Bears game will be a prelude to an improved running attack because the game against the Jags and especially the Vikes was disheartening.

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December 04, 2020 at 06:19 pm

I think a main reason for less efficiency is Williams gets just as many touches as Jones who we all know is twice the back.. I could be wrong but last year either Jones was involved more or just made more of his opportunities.. But my uneducated eye test still shows Jones running hard and picking up chunks of yardage almost every time he touches the ball..

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