Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - 2019 Game 6, Packers - Lions

The weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Comeback: Well that was fun wasn't it? Uh, not really. From Kevin King getting toasted, to the turnovers and the dropped passes, it was hard to see the Packers making their way to victory. Yet, I was 100% sure the Packers would win this game coming in, and I never totally wavered from that belief. It just took longer than expected and required a little drama, but in the end, Green Bay got the win. Why was I so sure? Because when you have Aaron Rodgers and a competent NFL defense, in most cases, that will be enough to pull out close games. What was always missing the last few seasons was the defense part. It's been a great transformation and we can't thank Gutey enough for that (and neither can Rodgers).

Most overlooked play: That absolutely has to be Jaire Alexander coming out of nowhere to fly past Kevin King and catch Kenny Golladay on the opening flea-flicker. He saves the touchdown and the defense holds the Lions to a field goal, saving four points. Those four points would have meant the Packers would have needed to score a touchdown on their final drive. That also would have meant they wouldn't have had the luxury of running the clock down like they did to prevent the Lions from getting the ball back. It was a heroic effort by Jaire and just one more reason why you have to love this kid.

Lions TD? Nothing like seeing one referee signal touchdown at the exact same time that a referee on the other side of the play is signaling to stop the clock and calling it Packers' ball. I've watched the replays multiple times. I still haven't seen the football cross the plane of the goal line and of course, his forward motion was likely stopped, anyway. So for everyone whining about the Packers being helped by late penalty calls, feel free to bring up the gift seven points the Lions were awarded.

Dropped Passes: LaFleur said that they counted six dropped passes during the game. I think he's being kind - there were more.

Dean Lowry: I've been down a bit on Lowry in this space, so it's only fair I commend him for a hell of a game last night. He led the defensive line by being credited with four tackles - no one else on the DL had more than one. But beyond the stats, he was disruptive and a big reason the Lions ended up with only 56 yards rushing on the night.

Announcers: I made it home just in time for the opening kickoff and it only took two plays for me to run for my computer so I could listen to Wayne and Larry.

Lambeau Leap: Packers fans had me worried they were going to hurt poor Mason Crosby as they pounded on him during his Lambeau Leap. Ease up, people!

 

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Daren726's picture

October 16, 2019 at 05:26 am

I think Kevin King is hurt still. Groin or hamstring?. I don’t think he was 100%, which may be why he got burned a couple times. Still, he made some good plays as the game went on. I’m glad he’s playing through injury. We really need him. Mason will be ok..;). I think everyone agrees on the touchdown also. I still can’t believe booth review didn’t overturn it.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

October 16, 2019 at 08:49 am

I believe it because we couldn't see the ball on replay. If the call on the field was Packers ball, that wouldn't have been overturned either. IOW, no clear & convincing evidence so the call stands.

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Slammin'CharlesMartin's picture

October 16, 2019 at 05:31 am

Has anyone heard whether Jamaal Williams sat down so the Packers could run out the clock on his own or if somebody brought it up before the play? He may have saved us a Stafford Special there.

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ALLGASNOBRAKES's picture

October 16, 2019 at 05:50 am

I listened to Rodgers press conference after the game and he did mention that they discussed that very thing in the huddle.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 16, 2019 at 06:49 am

And LaFleur said that he told Rodgers to make sure they don't score, but then also said that he knew he didn't have to say it with Rodgers.

I really like how LaFleur and Rodgers are working together so far.

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fthisJack's picture

October 16, 2019 at 10:10 am

the Packers called a TO before the play so i'm sure it was discussed and he was told not to score.

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ALLGASNOBRAKES's picture

October 16, 2019 at 05:49 am

Al you and I think alike. My friends, people I work with, and everyone else who felt the need to tell me the Lions got screwed I quickly reminded them the 1st TD of the game WASN'T a TD.

After that 1st quarter, the defense held the Lions to about 130 yards or so the rest of the way. The Packers are going to win a lot of games if their defense can hold opponents to 130 yards over 3 quarters of a game.

I couldn't believe some of the negative comments on live blog sites about the Packers offense in the first quarter on Monday considering they've been like a freight train running through opposing defenses in the first quarter in EVERY other game except week one this year. R-E-L-A-X people!

After hearing about Crosby's wife on Monday night it was that much more AWESOME to watch Crosby do the leap (well sort of a leap LOL). I'm GLAD Crosby's our kicker!

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BrettFavor's picture

October 16, 2019 at 06:35 am

That definitely wasn't a TD. What's worse is one side judge is ruling it short, the other side judge who eventually called it a TD was running in short of the goal line. The head official motions that it's Packers ball then 5 seconds later rules it a touchdown without the officials even getting together to talk about it.

I'm sure the head official thought, if it's short they'll just review it, but given the NFL position of we're not going to overturn a call unless it's 1000% clear and obvious the ruling on the field is huge. I absolutely think they should use replay, but the are currently using it as a crutch. They should do everything they can to get the call right on the field including having more discussions amongst themselves... I have no problem waiting a couple minutes while the refs huddle up and talk it out, when they do that they almost always get it right.

The officiating the past 2-3 years since they've been "emphasizing" rules already on the books each year has been atrocious throughout the NFL (it's also hurt a lot of veteran officials have been retiring in the past 4-5 seasons).

I really like the idea of having an extra official in the sky box that's a part of the crew and in constant contact with them... It worked really well for the AAF.

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:04 am

"They should do everything they can to get the call right on the field including having more discussions amongst themselves."

100% yes!

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BradHTX's picture

October 16, 2019 at 02:01 pm

I hadn’t heard about Molly Crosby’s cancer battle before the game. Really happy for them, and prayers for her continued health.

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BrettFavor's picture

October 16, 2019 at 06:44 am

A few thoughts...

King settled down and played really well in the second half... He's definitely not 100% though, on the second long pass he was in good position until the ball was in the air then he inexplicably slowed down (maybe he misjudged the ball?). He's been really good this year except against double moves, but he's still young and really only has one season worth of games under his belt. I still think he can improve, he's already shutting up a lot of people who wanted him cut (which was completely ridiculous), and be a very good CB in this league.

Alexander bounced back in a big way, I don't think he gave up a catch the entire game. Besides the two big plays in the Dallas game, he's been a shut down corner. Him and Lattimore are currently the two best corners in the league.

Lowry and the D-Line played great against a team that ran all over the Chiefs two weeks ago. Kerryon Johnson and the Lions O-Line are both pretty good so it was great to see the run defense play well for the first time since Raven Greene went down. Oren Burks looked pretty good and BJ Goodson had a couple stuffs. Lowry has been disruptive all season, but he was missing tackles that he made last year. Hopefully, this is a turning point for the run defense because if they play that well going forward it's only going to make the pass rush and secondary better.

I love seeing different guys step up, last week it was Aaron Jones. This week it was Jamaal Williams, Mercedes Lewis and Allen Lazard.

We're dropping too many passes... I really thought G-Mo was going to have a pretty good year especially after the start he had last year. He's not more than a possession WR, but those guys are valuable if they get open (which he has) and catch the ball (which he hasn't). I can give MVS a bit of a pass because he's young and I think he'll develop into a very good #2 WR (hopefully by the end of the year because we could really use that even when Davante gets back)... He shows flashes, but he just has to be consistent. That was a great catch with good body control to box out the defender on the run on that deep ball.

I've been trying to give Jimmy Graham the benefit of the doubt, but he just looks so slow (his athleticism is just gone) and he's dropping too many passes. I want to see Tonyan and Lewis get the majority of snaps going forward. I'm not sure they can cut Jimmy Graham unless they feel really good about Sternberger coming back, but TEs very rarely play well as rookies even top prospects, Hockenson has just been okay (although I do think he'll be very good in the next few years) and Noah Fant hasn't looked good at all.

The refs have been awful the past 2-3 seasons with the NFL "emphasizing" different rules already on the books each season (I understand the helmet to helmet hits, but the rest just seems to cause more problems). They're using replay as a crutch instead of a tool, I want to see them huddle up more often on the field to get a call right instead of just saying, "If we're wrong they'll review it". Because the NFL won't overturn a call unless it's 1000% "clear and obvious", the ruling on the field is huge. I think they should add another member to each crew that's in the skybox that can talk to the officials on the field. It's worked well for the AAF.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 16, 2019 at 07:31 am

King - I'm pretty sure the first deep catch against him was more on the Safety then King. King played with outside leverage knowing that he had help inside. The safety bit on the fake and got out of position.

"I love seeing different guys step up, last week it was Aaron Jones. This week it was Jamaal Williams, Mercedes Lewis and Allen Lazard."
The great part about this is they are finding different ways to win games. They aren't relying on one way to win games. This makes for a great team!

Refs-
I am for the 'sky judge'. A few things though. The 'sky judge' should not be apart of any of the officials crews. They need to be independent. What we have seen this year with the PI challenges is the officials will go with whatever their officials called on the field.

And they can't sit there an knit pick every penalty or everything that happens. They have to do it within reason. They should be reviewing certain things, not everything. All TD's, Turnovers, Challenges it goes to them. Any head hits or unnecessary roughness penalties should be reviewed by them as well. I'd like to see the targeting thing implemented. Let the sky judge be in charge of that.
As far as judgement calls. They should be left to the refs on the field.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 16, 2019 at 07:41 am

Lol a "few" thoughts. That was more than Al's article.

I said the same thing about Jaire Alexander for that first play. He didn't get the credit he deserved that night. Now, last week, I hammered him for his work on Amari Cooper. But plays like this matter huge. Don't overlook these types of effort plays.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 16, 2019 at 06:45 am

Comeback:
What comeback isn't fun?
They were down 13-0 and overcame that. They were down 22-13 with 12:17 left in the game. Yet they managed to come back from that. We haven't seen how this team would handle a situation like this. We have seen it now.
You are talking about having Rodgers and competent defense that they can pull out close wins. Imagine what Rodgers would do with better skilled players. At one point each one of his WR's were UDFA's. Not one was drafted. Get Rodgers more talent at WR to go with this defense. Look out!!!

Most overlooked play:
Not only was that a huge play, Jaire was phenomenal in the game. Jaire was the most overlooked player in how great he was. He allowed 1 reception for 3 yards. And honestly I don't know if that was his guy that he allowed the reception for.

Lions TD?
This is exactly what I kept bringing up all over twitter yesterday when all Lions fans and Packer haters were in full force. Lions got 7 points given to them. It should have been Packers ball. Of course though since Booger didn't throw a big hissy fit on TV about it, it just got swept under the rug. Where when he went off about the penalties he just added gallons of fuel to the fire.

Dropped Passes:
Was LaFleur just counting Allisons dropped passes? I'm pretty sure he had 6 alone.
I have been wanting to see Lazard more before this game. Now I hope he has earned more time. He provides a different type of WR. He did 'drop' the one, but that one he was going over top of a DB for the ball. That was not an easy catch, unlike others that hit guys in the hands or facemask...

Dean Lowry:
He had IMO his best game as a Packer. He has been up and down a bit, but man was he a force!

Announcers:
I was 'ok' with them, but I think they need to do better. I would much rather listen to Louis Riddick then Booger. I think ESPN is really missing it by not having Louis in the Booth.

Lambeau Leap:
Has anyone deserved a Lambeau Leap more then Crosby?

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:05 am

"Lambeau Leap:
Has anyone deserved a Lambeau Leap more then Crosby?"

Was I the only one watching when Bradley hefted Crosby up over the wall thinking "please don't hurt yourself..."?

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Spock's picture

October 16, 2019 at 11:50 am

No, dobber, you weren't the only one. I replied to Old School on another thread that I was GLAD Crosby got an assist as I didn't want him to hurt a leg trying a leap.

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marpag1's picture

October 16, 2019 at 02:38 pm

Here are a few confessions of my own...

No, I'm not much impressed with the backup wide receivers. There is a big difference between A) being good, and B) being the best that we have available right now. ARod needs to throw to SOMEONE. A lot of those catches happened because ARod's pass practically grabbed the receiver's hands rather than the other way around. So yeah, Lazard made a hell of a catch on that TD. But let's be honest, the defender was practically in Lazard's jock, and no receiver is going to make it if he can't create better separation than that. I know a lot is being made of this story that ARod lobbied for Lazard to be in the game. That doesn't mean Lazard is good. It just means that he isn't as much of a woeful non-factor as Kumerow was.

Darrius Shepherd = Deer in the headlights, and possibly soon-to-be roadkill. The game was too big for him. He freaked and froze on the first punt, fumbled, and then resolved that he was never going to return another punt ever again, even if he had a 15 yard cushion.

No, I'm not as concerned about the struggles of the offense as other people are. The Packers will get Adams back, and they might even add a veteran WR (at least they should). But here are the defenses that the Packers have gone 5 and 1 against, together with their rankings in YARDS and POINTS allowed:

CHI - 6/3
MIN - 5/6
DEN - 4/7
PHI - 14/23
DAL - 9/8
DET - 29/18

Not many people realize it yet, but soon they will be referring to Gutekunst as "the guy who drafted Elgton Jenkins."

And as long as we're talking about Gutey and his draft day triumphs, I notice that things look a little different on defense when Darnell Savage isn't playing. Not so?

I was wrong, again. Yeah, it's a new season and we got a couple of studs in the two Smiths, but Kyler Fackrell still isn't a nobody. Sorry Kyler. My mistake... again.

With Kansas City losing its last two games to the likes of Indy and Houston, is it possible that San Fran will be the best team the Packers have to face from here on?? Nah, can't be...

Oh, and one more that will almost certainly get me flamed: I'm not ready to call this defense great. Yes, they are absolutely better than they were. Yes, it is awesome to FINALLY generate pressure without committing extra rushers. Yes, there is real athleticism and promise in the backfield. And yest this is a much more dynamic group than we have had in a looooong time... but even so, GB is currently 21st in total yards allowed per game, 18th in passing yards allowed, 25th rushing yards allowed, and 28th in yards per rush allowed. At the bottom line they still are 9th BEST in points allowed per game, but there is definite room for improvement.

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:21 am

<<stands and applauds>>

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optimisticfan's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:43 am

Marpag I agree with all your points except the level of concern with Darrius Shepherd. He had a bad game no doubt and I would be fine with there being competition for punt returner (?the other Tramon they picked up?). Also Shepherd didn’t run a smooth route on the interception play which caused him to slip when he tried to readjust and then the INT happened but that is still one play. He still could have a limited though important role to play in the WR depth.

Also yes the Chiefs are a better matchup for GB than the 49ers. Hopefully we run or RPO the Chiefs to death to drain the clock down and keep Mahomes on the sidelines. Plus our great pass defense (with Savage back) matches up well for a pass heavy Offense.

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marpag1's picture

October 16, 2019 at 02:09 pm

Maybe you're right about Shepherd. I hope the kid can take a deep breath and get himself together. But man, that was the kind of performance (on national television, no less) that can really put a dent in a young player's confidence.

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JerseyAl's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:50 am

notice I purposely used the words "competent defense." Way too early to use words like great.

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marpag1's picture

October 16, 2019 at 12:06 pm

Agreed.

In previous years, some fans have said things like, "If the Packers had only an average defense, then ... (we'd make the playoffs, we'd win the superbowl, *fill in the blank*) etc.

Well, this season might actually test those theories. Maybe the word "average" isn't quite right either, but in a 32 team league if your team is 10th from the top in points allowed and 10th from the bottom in yards allowed, average isn't too far off.

OK, they're better than average, but how much?

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PeteK's picture

October 16, 2019 at 01:09 pm

However, now we don't have that great offense. At least not yet.

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2019 at 01:10 pm

Remember that game flow can do a lot to inflate yardage numbers.

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Guam's picture

October 16, 2019 at 08:00 am

Props to Marcedes Lewis for a big contribution against the Lions. I would prefer to see Lewis get more snaps at the expense of Graham who looks decidedly slower and less sure handed than Lewis.

I am also coming to the conclusion that Kumerow does not have the speed or quicks to separate from man coverage. He is fine against zones, but man coverage seems to defeat him.

Does anyone know if ESB is eligible to return this year? His injury did not seem severe, but he was shelved in preseason and I think the rules prevent him from returning at all. Don't know for sure though.

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:08 am

My understanding was that ESB was IR'd prior to the cutdown to 53, which means he's done 'til 2020.

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October 16, 2019 at 01:32 pm

Thanks Dobber. I thought that was the case, but wasn't sure.

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October 16, 2019 at 08:06 am

I really, really need to find a way to DVR video and the radio broadcast. Listening to Booger for almost 3 hours was absolute torture.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:02 am

I listen to the radio broadcast on my laptop & then pause the DVR to sync it. (I pause it at the first snap of the game & when Wayne says the ball is snapped, hit play.) Best of both worlds.

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JerseyAl's picture

October 16, 2019 at 09:26 am

It's easy. Just do what ThxJackVainisi said. Having said that, it worked for a National broadcast like MNF. I wonder if it works for people watching locally in Wisconsin?

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October 16, 2019 at 08:09 pm

It does, I turn on Wayne on the stereo, but he is 10- 20 seconds ahead of the TV :-)

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October 16, 2019 at 08:30 am

No lions fan is admitting they didn't score. Every lions fan thought the lions were the better team. Had the better qb. Better wrs. Better defense. Every lions fan said the refs screwed them again .ETC. So now I see Vincent will meet with marge (Owner) and apologize for the officials face to face. So what's next? Favoritism. More interference from the officials. More Back Room Deals? Do we see visits for Concussions, Player concerns, and protests. No, we see Fines! Sometimes it's just better to be Silent, because Nobody can understand why it keeps happening. The visit says the refs were a problem. Either change the rules or Fire the ref.

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October 16, 2019 at 09:29 am

The Lions were the better team for about the first 17 minutes on Monday night. After that, it was pretty much all Packers...maybe not with consistent big plays, but they ground out that game and Detroit had no answer for some long (13, 14, 14 plays!) drives that resulted in scores. If the Packers hadn't kept handing the Lions the ball in position for FGs, it wouldn't have even been this close.

The question the Lions fans need to be asking themselves isn't "how does the league make this up to us?" but rather, for a team that was supposedly playing well and coming off a bye healthy and rested, why couldn't they put away an injured Packers team coming off a week's rest?

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October 16, 2019 at 09:32 am

Maybe, when Vincent meets with 'Marge', he should explain that had the Packer NOT turned the ball over three times her team would have never been in this game.

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PeteK's picture

October 16, 2019 at 01:16 pm

Only for the second call. Whenever, you go near the throat area you're looking for a flag.

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October 16, 2019 at 08:42 am

Haven't listened to network announcers for over 2 years. I would much rather listen to Wayne and Larry (especially Larry) on a 10 second delay than the talking heads. The Packers got absolutely jobbed on the Lions touchdown call but that is very conveniently left out of the Lions got screwed discussion. I think the Packers own a lifetime worth of getting screwed by the fail Mary alone. Don't care about the Lions. We got a W.

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October 16, 2019 at 09:20 am

Tired of listening to the ref's stuff on air. The only ref's call that changed the scoreboard was the TD in the first quarter. Otherwise, the first illegal hands penalty came several plays before the Lazard TD (make a play, Lions D!), and the other changed the dynamics from a clock standpoint, but likely didn't change the made/missed FG issue.

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October 16, 2019 at 09:38 am

I'm ecstatic for our 5-1 start, but I don't have that full confidence yet before and during the game. We haven't put together a crisp well balanced win yet. Also, I'm very surprised that Allison is not the possession receiver I thought he would be. He showed flashes of success in the past but so far very disappointing. Maybe Lazard will be that lg possession receiver like Plexico Burress who the Giants rode into the SB. Clark is having a solid year, but I thought he would be dominating this year because of all the attention the our OLBs are getting. I think I'll invent a Pepto Bismol type of beer.

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October 16, 2019 at 09:48 am

Al - I think that ing was expecting Safety help on both plays. Redmond bit on the first play and was late getting over on the second play.
Also, the Lions knew that King was probably playing hurt since he was on the injury report all week. The other point here is that Redmond was replaced by Twill at Safety along with other adjustments made by Pettine.

As for Alexander he not only saved the TD on the first play he shut down his side of the field for the entire game. King will see plenty of passes come his way as long as Alexander is on the other side of the field.

Lowry did play great. I was also down on him for allowing RBs to run through him for TDs the prior 2 games, but he made a few big stops during the Lions game. That was not a Lions TD on the 4th and goal. Another terrible job by the officials on the field and the booth review.

Dropped passes need to stop. Play Adams (when healthy) MVS and Lazard at WRs and Lewis and Tonyan over Graham at TE. Acquiring another WR would not hurt either. Rodgers needs weapons.

Announcers, just turn down the sound. They are all bad but Booger is the worst of a bad bunch.

Happy for Crosby!!! We're 5-1, Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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October 16, 2019 at 11:41 am

I'm aware of the safety issue - opposing offenses scheme to take the safety away on plays like that. That doesn't make me feel any better about King's ability to turn and keep up with receivers downfield. Golladay isn't even the fastest guy out there (4.5 40 yd). King has been very good with the ball in front of him, but if he is going to keep getting beat deep - that is a MAJOR problem.

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October 16, 2019 at 03:31 pm

Al I agree that if King continues to get beat deep it will be a major problem. Let's see how he does once he gets passed his injuries. If he is 100% and getting beat deep then we will need someone else in his spot, maybe Tony Brown. Then we move King to the slot or out of the starting DB group. Hopefully we'll see King at 100% within the next game or two. Thanks, Since '61

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October 16, 2019 at 08:17 pm

I said at the start when talking amongst friends that Savage is missed. That young man is a hell of a player. The quicker he comes back the better.

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October 16, 2019 at 10:56 am

I believe Lafleur mentioned in his press conference that we had 6 drops. Would like to see Gute add a WR as it sounds like Davante will be out awhile.

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Spock's picture

October 16, 2019 at 12:11 pm

When G'Mo got injured I turned to my wife and said that the way he was playing it was probably better he stay off the field anyway. Allison has been dropping passes most of the year when they come his way, not sure what's up with him as he didn't have that issue before. The Packers D were fantastic in run stuffing this game. I would love for that to be an on-going trend going forward. That said the D has to be better prepared for long passes in the first quarter now that they've shown the league they've been vulnerable to it early. I expect Pettine will be addressing that with his players this week. CBS not showing the Packers this Sunday here in Tucson so I'll have to try and stream it. Glad that Oakland beat the Bears (although it sounds like the Bears got a bad call -surprise- by the officials). Looking forward to the Packers knocking off the Raiders at Lambeau. The home crowd has seemed to be fired up the last few games and I didn't see a lot of Lions apparel in the stands. I hope to not see any of those goofy Raiders' "Mad Max" attire for this upcoming game. 5-1 overall and 3-0 in the division (and at the top of the toughest division so far this year in the NFL). This team and coaches are exceeding my expectations this year -and I'm always an optimist about this team. Go, Pack, Go!

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October 16, 2019 at 01:29 pm

The best part is that we're winning despite some adversity.

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Lare's picture

October 16, 2019 at 02:10 pm

How come nobody ever talks about bad officiating in college football?

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Mojo's picture

October 16, 2019 at 02:37 pm

Kind of an interesting aspect to Rodgers first TD pass.

J. Williams was in motion, cutting in front of ARod and received around a one foot toss. Even though all of the yardage on the play came from Williams, ARod gets credit for a passing TD.

So the question is, would it have been a forward pass if Rodgers had just handed it to him as he was running by assuming Williams was still between him and the opponents goal? According to the rule book, it sounds like it:

ARTICLE 1. DEFINITION
It is a forward pass if:

the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hand(s)

ARTICLE 1. PASS
A pass is the movement caused by a player intentionally handing, throwing, shoveling (shovel pass), or pushing (push pass) the ball (3-25-2). Such a movement is a pass even if the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand-to-hand pass).

So as long as Williams was in front of him it would be considered a pass even in the form of a handoff.

Learn something new everyday ...

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Barazinho's picture

October 16, 2019 at 04:12 pm

RE: TD?
The thing that bothered me so much about the phantom TD was that after the conflicting calls were made the the line judges, the initial signal by the head ref was GB ball, and then almost immediately he announced to the crowd that the call was a touchdown. The refs did not huddle up to discuss the discrepancy, the ref just made the call because one of them signaled a touchdown. The behavior definitely reminds me of what I saw in the replacement ref era - no cohesiveness between the officials, just random calls that were resolved randomly. The video review makes it even more complex - they might defer to a TD call, so that it gets reviewed, but if the cameras do not catch a definitive view (which is random), the scoring play is upheld. Refs should only defer to a review if they truly do not know, and that should only happen after they all work together to confirm what happened on the field, without video being the input.

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October 16, 2019 at 06:15 pm

The phantom TD. I've watched the replay over and over like a lot you in here. Not once can you see the ball breaking the plane. But the one official clearly did? Then the replay took basically no time to decide, did they have a better camera angle, I think not. Should have been Packer ball down 0-3. No one would have disputed it except for the whiney ass lolions fans.

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October 16, 2019 at 06:53 pm

Ryan Grant V2

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October 16, 2019 at 09:40 pm

I think Dean Lowry is the epitome of "just a guy", but he played like a maniac on a mission on Monday.

Good for him. I'm still not sure about that contract. I feel like he's a decent player who could definitely be upgraded. But who knows, maybe he's coming into his own and he'll prove me wrong.

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October 17, 2019 at 10:51 am

The model is to sign the team's "core players" to 2nd contracts. Does Lowry qualify as a member of the team's core? I'd say Lowry falls in a gray area. Looking at Montravious Adams (flashes but hadn't been and still isn't consistent) and Keke (loved the pick but as a 5th rounder, not a 1st or 2nd round stud type), I reluctantly approved of extending Lowry. I don't want to use a premium pick (Rd one to three) on a DL, unless there is a player who is just too good to pass up when GB is on the board.

So far Adams has a 37 PFF grade while playing mostly hurt this year. His grade was a perfectly decent 69.3 for the 2018 season. Keke doesn't have a grade listed.

Lancaster has a good 74.5 grade from PFF. Make no mistake: while he isn't providing a lot of juice, he has been pretty stout. No one mentions Lancaster and the job he did in his 26 snaps against Detroit, but the Packers DI thoroughly outplayed Detroit's OL which reputedly was a very good run-blocking group. Detroit fans trotted out Ragnow's #1 rank among Centers by PFF during their trash talking. Detroit ran the ball just 16 times even though they had a lead until the very end because those rushes gained a mere 38 yards (2.38 yds/carry). Yes, Lowry had a good game, while Clark was just okay. GB played 2.28 DL per snap, somewhat lower than the Philly game but also played Martinez all 59 snaps and Goodson 34 snaps (1.58 ILB per snap), much higher than the 1.1 against Philly.

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