CheeseheadTV Live: Packers Draft Recap

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Jeremy Van Der Linden and I break down the Packers draft choices and play a game of "Buy or Sell" with a few hot topics around the NFL.  

Leave a comment below about the show or your thoughts on the Packers 2018 draft.

 

 

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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wildpalms's picture

May 02, 2018 at 03:59 pm

Who are these guys? 50+ minutes of blah, blah....
Learned more about our draft picks at a local bar.

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jasonperone's picture

May 02, 2018 at 04:13 pm

WP, thank you for tuning in in the first place. Were you actually paying attention though or were those palms too wild? Either way, thanks for stopping by and stay clean! ;)

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JerseyAl's picture

May 02, 2018 at 07:42 pm

And who are you? Your last comment here was a year ago - 7 comments total, nine downvotes vs 2 upvotes. Oh well, carry on...

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John Kirk's picture

May 02, 2018 at 07:56 pm

I shudder when I read upvotes and downvotes used as a measure to discount someone's opinion. Not because my ratio is worse than that, but because it shows a bias for upvotes is a real thing. Trivializing a dissenting voice means flattery (whether valid or not) is desired.

If someone thought the show was terrible would you not want them to post that if that's what they honestly felt about it or would you rather they just post some vacuous flattery because they know it's the desired response? The truth loses there in lieu of a lie to keep the peace.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 02, 2018 at 08:05 pm

You think this sounds like an informed valuable critique? I don't. Your comment below was, this is just someone being a dick for the fun of it.

Another comment he/she has made: "...Only get 2nd hand news on this site !!"

Either has some axe to grind, just likes being a dick or maybe a competitor, who knows. No value in that comment.

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wildpalms's picture

May 03, 2018 at 02:38 pm

None of the above - just thought the whole thing was bush league and drawn out. No new insights. Mine was not "an informed valuable critique".
Just an opinion. Mr. Herman's article on day 3 picks was much more
informative, detailed, well thought out and presented. I agree there was
"no value in that comment", but felt there was little value in what those
other 2 had to say.

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Jeremy VanDerLinden's picture

May 03, 2018 at 03:32 pm

Unfortunately it looks like you came to the wrong place for new info. This show will always be a discussion about things you most likely already know. Much like a sports radio show. I rarely learn anything new from sports radio. It’s all opinions. Unless it’s a sports update.

This is not a sports update. This is not a news show. It’s also not film breakdown.

The goal here is to share opinions and discuss what’s going on with the team. The hope is that listeners will share their opinions too. I’m sorry, but it seems that this isn’t your cup of tea.

The good news is that Cheesehead TV has you covered for whatever kind of “tea” you’re looking for.

As you mentioned, Andy does a great job breaking down film and informing people of what they can expect to see when the rookies hit the field.

Btw, good job finding a local bar that has plenty of Packers talk where you can learn about the team. Maybe you could post the address so we can all go?

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jasonperone's picture

May 03, 2018 at 05:25 pm

It's tough to get too deep into details without visuals and film. As far as this show in particular, these guys also have never played a single NFL game so there's no concrete evidence of what they'll be. Perhaps some of our other shows will have more of what you're looking for but no hard feelings if you've moved on.

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GBPDAN1's picture

May 03, 2018 at 09:35 pm

WP...The draft is over and we are entering the NFL dead season. I like this site as the writers and bloggers are Packers Enthusiast's and provide this website free, out of their spare time. Most of the material is Informative and I enjoy reading it. A lot of articles are opinions of the writers and give us a format to convey our opinions. They provide material on a daily basis even in the off season. Some of the off season material is filler, what do you expect?

If the site wants to post a live conversation piece regarding the draft, so be it, Even if they are rehashing a lot of what we all already read and know, it's still Packers talk and its the NFL dead season, so let it be. Don't listen if you think its boring.

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Richard Smith's picture

May 02, 2018 at 04:14 pm

They had 12 total picks, not 14.

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Jeremy VanDerLinden's picture

May 02, 2018 at 04:28 pm

Yeah, when Jason asked, 14 popped in my head. I think it’s because they had the 14th pick. Thanks for listening!

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John Kirk's picture

May 02, 2018 at 08:02 pm

Honest feedback:

Shorten intro music and get into show quicker off the top. Not a huge thing but sounds more professional.

JP and JV should be in reverse roles. JP should be in the hosting role. JP has a very good command vocal presence. The show sounds like the NFL on CBS game telecast if Nantz and Romo switched roles.

Great pacing...no dead spots...excellent back and forth. Equal...no one guy dominating and nobody stepping on the other guy except just lightly in the ESB segment because you both were a little too excited about him. :)

Insights middle of the road. Find something about each guy that nobody knows about that's interesting. IE: J'Mon Moore was the player who got the Mizzou football team involved in the campus protest that made national headlines for quite some time. Oren Burks is defined by his activism... those are two big things about both players and it's a great lead in to questioning the wisdom of bringing in guys like that in the climate we're in with Kap not getting a sniff and Eric Reid. It's not hot take-ish...it's just interesting. Good but needs a little seasoning. A little salt on top would've made it taste better to the listener.

Should've cut it at 44 minutes and end after Packers discussion...if going to extend...review the rest of the division. Nobody cares about the Seahawks draft or the Raiders. Odd to go back to talking Packers after a Seahawks Raiders segue and no mention of the division.

One of my least favorite things about the NFL draft is when somebody wants the Packers to pick someone in the 1st round and then, of course, the team drafts someone else and the opinion changes. Nobody who didn't want Jaire Alexander in Round 1 should be fired up about him now. That guy was a mid 2nd rounder taken at 18. If someone told you before the draft the Packers were taking Jaire over Derwin, you wouldn't be happy, and, today, you still shouldn't.

Alexander better play outside. A pick in the teens on a nickel back? That'd be a waste of draft capital.

Josh Jackson reminds me of the Jerel Worthy pick minus the trade up. How far does Jackson if we don't take him? 15 picks between Hughes at 30 until Jackson at 45. 8 more picks until the next CB after Jackson at 53...then a huge run of CB's 53,54,55,56 and 58. Guessing Jackson was going in the mid 50's if we don't take him. No position in the draft had more players taken than DB with 46 selected. Feel like we got two CB's that should've gone in the 50's but we used an 18 and a 45...that's losing, imo.

Jackson covered NOBODY in the BIg 10. Lazard who went undrafted was probably his toughest test. Further, what QB that was anything did he face? Nobody. Bad QB play and even worse WR play make Jackson a huge risk with one year of just that to go off of. A 4.6 and then 4.56 when you've trained hard knowing your 40 is going to cost you if it's poor? He'll be slower than 4.6 at Lambeau and especially now that he's not focused on getting faster.

Difference in Round 3 was Ted would've taken Josey Jewell. Glad we went with athleticism and happier to hear he's like Kamara was for the Saints...just really really smart. Love Oren's twitter: @BangTimeBurks...not sure what the ladies think of that?

JK Scott...Hate that pick. I'm guessing they were going to take Mike White from WKU, but when he went they were blindsided and went with a punter because Oakland was going to get him if they didn't. I wondered why they drafted MVS after JK Scott and not the other way but they had to know Raiders were in on Scott after King went to Denver. Would've preferred a 4th WR to JK Scott.

On MVS speak to the dearth of speed this team has had on the outside under Ted. This guy is different as is Brian. We haven't had a WR who ran 4.3 since Charles Johnson and he never got a chance due to our screwed up med staff. Speed and athleticism was a draft theme and detailing the past vs. present would've been good.

An NFC scout reported ESB told a team in an interview that he wouldn't play ST's. That's a big thing. Maybe, that and his dad help cause him to fall?

On Donnerson and Looney... glossed over those two. Donnerson has all world measurables. The Janis of OLB? Mention his insane measurables and read them off. Build some hype and link past round Packers 7th round successes (Driver, Tauscher, Timmerman, Keith McKenzie, etc) and ask if Brian may have found a little 7th round magic like Ted and Ron before him and that he better considering what we didn't get in the draft and have on the roster.

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stockholder's picture

May 02, 2018 at 08:21 pm

I must admit i liked the Worthy pick when it was made. He did play hurt. He blew his knee and that was that. But Worthy, along with Harrell, should go down as no Such thing is guaranteed. Big men along the line are a premium. Get a good one! Regardless.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 02, 2018 at 08:25 pm

Good suggestions for the hosts - appreciate that. However, I have to put a stop to your mis-information on Alexander and Jackson. You claim they are both late second round players. Here is just a sample of professionals who disagree.

Ourlads Scouting Services: JA #2 CB, projected to GB at #14. JJ, #3 CB, projected at pick # 24
CBSSports Rob Rang: JA #2 CB, #11 overall: JJ #1 CB, #8 overall
Mel Kiper: JA #2 CB, JJ, #3 CB, Both projected as RD1 picks.
Todd McShay: JA #2 CB, #17 overall. JJ, #3 CB, #27 overall
Pro Football Focus: JA #3 CB, #22 overall. JJ #1 CB, #8 overall.
DraftTek : JA #4 CB, #34 overall. JJ #2 CB, #21 overall

There are plenty more examples I could show you. It's pretty much a consensus they were both RD1 picks. .... Now, you can certainly have your own opinion/evaluation of these players, but you are definitely on an island.

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GB Jacker's picture

May 03, 2018 at 03:23 am

Misinformation is his middle name. Opinion as irrefutable fact.

Enjoyed the podcast, great work, keep them coming. I wouldn't overthink the play-by-play feedback - do your own thing.

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:05 pm

As to Jaire being a Day 2 guy... I watched a ton of coverage of the draft. I'd say bell to bell but I missed a block of 6 picks. Alexander was talked about as being a Day 2 guy during the draft. This from Walter Football speaks to some of the thinking on that issue:

Sometimes NFL teams and analysts can come full circle on a prospect. That is the case with Alexander, who has been a roller coaster journey since the start of his final college football season. Two days after the 2017 NFL Draft, I had Alexander going in the top half of the first round for the 2018 NFL Draft. He then had an injury-riddled junior year, which led teams around the league to project him to the second day of the 2018 NFL Draft. But after a great spring of workouts, Alexander is back to being projected as a first-round pick in the NFL draft.

---Jaire is the anti-Jackson...he's a guy who was a Day 2 pick but became a 1 because of his combine. Jackson was thought of as a Day 1 because of his play but then was cooled on due to his combine...and of course being a one year wonder, facing nobody at WR or at QB in the Big10, slow, tight, grabby, but ball skills off the charts got him drafted at 45. Alexander was a 2nd round guy who ran his way into the 1st with his 4.38...for every person who says the 40 doesn't matter, relating it to Jackson, you should realize the 40 is why Jaire was picked at 18. Minus that 4.38 he's a day 2 guy just like Jackson.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2018 at 07:22 pm

There was definitely discussion about Jaire Alexander being legit 1 round talent before he turned in him combine performance. Notice the date of the interview, 3 weeks before the combine. (wont allow me to post another link)

There's an interview conducted by draftwire with him dated 2/7, they specifically mention him being projected as one of the top CBs in the draft, the top man cover guy, and as a possible first round selection

The thing that sticks out here more than anything to me is his mention of who the best WR he faced during his career was. 6'3", 220 lbs., #7 overall pick in last year's draft, Mike Williams. Held him to zero catches.

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 08:21 pm

"Possible 1st round selection" isn't 18. I'm not all that hung up on Jaire...I think he was a later than he was guy but whatever. He's here. Jackson is the pick I'm really upset about. Losing 76 and 1st pick on Day 3 is a close second.

What's interesting about all this Jaire was a 1st rounder talk...there wasn't a soul on this site who had him as our pick. Nobody talking him up. For as much as supposedly he was being so strongly touted we surely should've heard one CHTVer posting about him at 18? That's what most do...read what the draftniks are saying and then say it too. Blows my mind that Jaire was such a sure fire 1st rounder nobody mentioned him.

Mike Williams didn't look very good as a pro but hard to judge with that long long injury. Not a single game of note for him, though.

The thing about the draft...you're going to hear things about players that are on opposite ends of the spectrum. I wasn't hearing Jaire until the very very end. I can't get over nobody wanted him with our pick prior to the draft but now it's like he was the consensus no brainer we'd have been stupid not to take him pick. That is worthy of discussion. Also, all the Jackson fanatics have to really eat it watching him go at 45...many are celebrating...but I don't think they'll be doing that in September or any month after.

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 05:43 pm

The guy just got picked 45th overall after being thought of higher until he ran in Indy. Kiper is not a scout. Rang? McShay? PFF is a joke. Draftek?

Here's something from PFW on Josh Jackson which is far more reputable and belies his draft position...

From PFW: “He was not good [Monday]. Scouts got him at 4.57 to 4.62 [his electronic 40-yard time was 4.56]. He looked stiff. If you’re taking him with a first-round pick, that's risky to me.” ---Yes, so risky NOBODY did it because real scouts saw that he couldn't run, is stiff, and throw very grabby in there, too. Ahmad Carroll's boxing gloves might need to be unretired. :)

Here's the link to the PFW piece for those who doubt: (scroll toward the bottom)

http://amp.profootballweekly.com/2018/03/06/nfl-draft-one-college-db-coa...

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JerseyAl's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:04 pm

You lose all credibility if you go to the lengths of cherry-picking one comment from one source to justify your opinion on Jackson. And then you conveniently ignore the same "more reputable" source on Alexander who compared him to Denzel Ward, saying, “Also big time. I think he’s [a first-rounder].” Not to mention PFW had Alexander and Jackson as their #2 and #3 corners in their rankings and both as RD1 picks. So your "more reputable" source disagrees COMPLETELY with your claim that these players are both worth only mid-late round second round picks.

We're not stupid here.

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:12 pm

I don't think you're stupid at all. On the contrary, when it comes to that.

My premise isn't wrong. Your bias and need to feel a certain way is the issue. I don't have any issue with that. I read the Jaire commentary and figured that would be thrown out but I also know what I heard during the draft and read about Alexander. He was thought of as a Day 2 guy...4.38 sent him into Round 1. Jackson thought of as Day 1 had the opposite experience running himself out of Round 1. Are you disputing this? Why was Jaire a Round 1 and Josh a Round 2? The overriding factor was their 40 times. Ironic the guy thought of Day 2 goes 1 and runs 4.38...the other thought of as higher goes Day 2 because he runs 4.56 and then 4.60. I'm not stupid either nor have any need to believe something that is flattering to the Packers and what they did or didn't do. I respond to this as I would as if some team I don't care about like Miami had drafted both guys.

Don't you think that if Jackson went to the Bears or Vikings all of a sudden the things I've mentioned are being mentioned by you? Doesn't matter to me where he went. I wrote what I wrote about Jackson months before the draft... Ain't a thing changed on my opinion because he's a Packer.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:17 pm

"Ain't a thing changed on my opinion because he's a Packer." Same here. So that premise is definitely wrong.

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:23 pm

:) I know you liked Josh like most of Packers nation. What about the rest of the post? Do you dispute the 40 times changed the fortunes of both guys?

The Jackson thing is understandable from a Packers fan perspective. Most Packers fans are Badgers fans who saw what Jackson did in that game vs. Bucky. Hornibrook and the Badgers WR's???? That part never factored.

The combine is done for a reason. Jackson's wasn't good. Thankfully, for him, he was in the Big 10 where there was some confusion over his tape vs. his eyeballed traits in Indy. Minus looking great against inferior competition he's going way down the board into the middle rounds.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:27 pm

And now you're deflecting. The ONLY thing I am disputing is your claim that Alexander and Jackson are mid to late second round picks. Pretty much the ENTIRE Draft Community of Analysts, Scouting Services, etc. disagree with you. if you can't just concede that, then at least I know not to waste any more time on this. I have to go anyway...

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:36 pm

I'm the one who has to go... Nothing to concede. Yes...I agree Jaire's 4.38 vaulted him up the board. He was a Day 2 pick minus his 40. Is he a Day 1 player minus his 40? No. Jackson is a Day 2 guy because of his 40 and because of many other things.

Jackson WAS a Day 2 pick. Picked at 45 and will always be there down through history as a 2nd rounder. There's nothing to concede there. He was a Day 2 guy. Thankfully, for Jaire, he ran 4.38 so he didn't join Josh there.

Odd you accuse me of not conceding when you don't answer two attempts at asking if the 40 times had anything to do with their draft position? The answer is yes on both.

Thank you for letting me play here.

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May 05, 2018 at 03:30 am

Let us follow Kirk's illogic here. He says Jackson will go down in history as a second rounder because (duh) Jackson was selected in the second round. Kirk then, in the same breath and in total contradiction, claims that Alexander was not a first rounder, even though history will show that Alexander was drafted in the first round.

Apparently Kirk is waiting for a history rewrite that will move Jaire Alexander out of the first round.

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May 07, 2018 at 08:46 am

I watched the Combine this year as I always do. That's how I learned that AJ Hawk was not a top athlete long before TT in his infinite wisdom selected him at #4.

So I watched the CBs and my opinion then was as follows:

Denzel Ward - top CB

Several others were closely grouped as possible R1 picks.

It was obvious to me that Josh Jackson does not have the movement skills of a top CB. Just as it was obvious that Jaire Alexander does.

That each was drafted where they were seems about right to me with the possible exception that Jackson may have been drafted too high.

The bigger issue for me was passing on Edmunds and James.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:21 pm

The anonymous college DB coach- note, college DB coach, not NFL scout- in the article you posted, who said taking Jackson in the first looked stiff and might be a risk to take in the first, also said Jaire Alexander is "Big time" and is a first rounder- something that you claim is wasted draft capital because he's a nickle back.

Packers took Jaire in the first, and took Jackson in the second. So, that seems like the Packers did a fine job according to the article you posted. What's the problem?

At any rate, you are cherry picking one report that defies the general consensus on the player, because you are claiming PFW is more reputable. Yet, the piece you linked to has a three paragraph caveat about the source of the report to start- basically, a warning it's not a thorough scouting assessment, it's a one-day snap shot by a guy who, while a coach, isn't a scout, and hasn't been tracking the guys he's commenting on.

Ultimately, none of it really matters because there's no guarantees. There will be guys expect to succeed who will fail, there will be unknown players who flourish. Still, the great majority of people who graded Jackson put him in the 20-ish range for what it's worth. Here's a few examples. https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-select-josh-jackson-in-2018-nfl-dr...

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:30 pm

Cherry picked? What is more reliable a bunch of junk that says he's a 1st rounder or something that says he was a risky day 1? What's more credible? You just saw him go 45 and there's no telling how much further down he goes. I think mid 50's but I'm not sure. I know what the thinking was on Alexander. Who cares if he was thought of as a Day 2 guy? I don't...IF he plays outside and can negate the best WR on the opposing team. I think that's what you would hope for your 18th overall.

I do not like Josh Jackson...I think he's going to be a big time bust ala Jerel Worthy. That is my opinion. I had it before the draft and I ain't changing it because I hope for him to be a HOF'er as Packer. Want to be wrong.

Alexander...I don't hate. I love the speed. I question his injury history and stature and the idea he might be nickel for an 18th overall. I may end up liking him a lot as a nickel but he'll have been overdrafted forever if that's what happens.

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May 03, 2018 at 06:58 pm

What's more reliable? The evaluations of many, many people who have been watching film, following work outs, and putting a name on it- all coming to a relatively simlilar conclusion.. or one anonymous guy who may or may not have ever really syudied the player before, may or may not have biases (as he's a college coach in who-knows-what program) who showed up on the final day of the combine and said He looks stiff and didn't time well, I think he's a risk in the first?

That't not a very sound argument you're making.

I know you don't like Josh Jackson, I get it. That's also exactly why you're cherry picking this particular snippet calling him a first round risk- because it reinforces your belief he will be a bust. And, yes, it's cherry picking, when in a sea of data, there is an outlier, you are cherry picking.

As to the nickle thing.. There's nothing I can do to change your mind on that. I'm fairly confident you'll have a hard time finding a defensive coordinator in the modern NFL who feels any of the 3 CB's that are on the field roughly 75-80% of all snaps in most Defenses today are less valuable than the others. If you can't defend the slot WR, it doesn't matter if you stop the boundary WRs. Chain is only as strong as the weakest link.

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May 03, 2018 at 07:33 pm

It's an outlier? It was one of the only right things said.

You act like he wasn't taken at 45. Why is that magically not considered here?

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May 03, 2018 at 10:26 pm

I see, so now you're pretending you don't know what an outlier is.

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May 04, 2018 at 04:29 pm

I suppose big board rankings and mocks have players end up in different areas of the draft. Teams do factor in need in their actual selections, and sometimes they're in the same tier of players. I was always uncomfortable with Josh Jackson at #14 to the point of promising a rant if he were our selection at #14. He always looked like a nice second round zone CB who might well be able to play press. I am satisfied with him at #45. I kept seeing Alexander in the 25 to 40 range, but I've come around on him at #18 as a possible Shields type cover CB.

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John Kirk's picture

May 04, 2018 at 05:36 pm

An outlier? Jerel Worthy?

TGR is right...Alexander bandied about as a Day 2 guy. 25-40 is a much better range than 18.

I went back and looked at the thread on Jaire from the draft guide posted here. 6 comments. One spam...and not positive. Now, he's just an unbelievably great pick. That always gets me.

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May 02, 2018 at 11:13 pm

Wow. Just wow.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2018 at 05:46 pm

If Jaire Alexander ends up playing majority snaps in the slot, I still have yet to see the logic or sense in how a first round pick is wasted capital if used on a nickle back.

Up until a 15 years ago, I could see the logic, because it was far more rare to see a third WR or athletic TE split wide. The "Nickle Back" was essentially a part time player, a back up corner who'd only see the field on occasion.

That's not the modern NFL. There's 3 legitimate receiving threats on the field more often than not in today's NFL, and that means there's 3 CB's on the field more often than not in today's NFL. A Nickle back in today's NFL is a starter, and frankly, they are often required to be much more skilled than the outside CB's who have the boundary to play with and limit the route of the WR. The nickle back as to be ready and able to cover the entire tree in any direction.

Last time I checked, a 20 yard completion still counts as 20 yards regardless if the receiver lined up on the boundaries or in the slot. There's no waste in spending a 1st round pick on a CB- even if he's relegated to only covering the slot- if he's got top tier skills and goes out and performs.

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John Kirk's picture

May 03, 2018 at 06:18 pm

Here's something to ponder and take my name out of it so you can assess it calmly...

Do NFL teams draft 3rd WR's in Round 1? How about 2nd WR's in Round 1? No and no. Why in the world would you draft a non outside playing guy who is not going to line up on a WR1 in Round 1? It's a waste of draft capital.

If Jaire plays nickel it is a waste. I hope he plays outside and can lockdown the opposing team's best WR because that's the draft position we used to get him.

Jaire drafted higher than Jackson or King...he should be the BETTER player not the nickel.

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May 03, 2018 at 06:45 pm

I personally think Jaire will play where ever they need him for match up purposes. Clearly, if a team has towering WRs on the boundaries, they will probably prefer to put King and either Jackson or House on the large-bodied WRs. But that's a matchup consideration, not a talent situation necessarily. Keep in mind also, if they man up, any one of the DBs could end up playing the boundary or the slot on any given play, regardless of who they match up to, given motion and formation.

The fact that you are still thinking in terms of #1, #2, #3 as depth chart evaluations tells me you're way behind the curve. The NFL is changing. All 3 are on the field more often than they aren't. It is about match ups, roles, route combinations and ultimately attaining production. Instead of me taking your name out of it, maybe you should try taking the #1, #2, #3 out of it. Try X,Y,Z. Or SE,SL,FL. LCB, RCB, NKL... Whatever floats your boat. Yardage is yardage, no OC or DC in the league is concerned with from what alignment on the field it's coming from. They scheme to get production or to limit it.

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May 03, 2018 at 06:58 pm

That's a good response. A slot WR is still not a 1st round pick. I understand a slot guy isn't always going to play slot... and the interchangeableness of it all.

I can see taking someone like Jaire if you're totally loaded on defense and offense and you have a terrible nickel. What else are you going to do with your pick? The Packers are dreadful in the secondary with King being a Day 2 guy last year. Alexander better be better and play outside. I would never back off of that part. He will be a waste of 18 even if he's a great nickel.

Jackson and King are two guys that sincerely concern me. I trust Tramon way more than either of those two and I don't like Tramon very much. I'm hoping Jaire is much better than King at covering. King was great at tackling but I don't think that guy can cover at all when someone is running vertically.

If we miss on Jaire, I truly believe we'll have 3 busts at CB for us after all the years of failure before. A franchise wrecking waste of CB's if he can't play. I hope I'm wrong and Jackson and King are players. Jaire is the one I believe in because he can run and has attitude that is needed for defense and especially Pettine's defense.

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John Kirk's picture

May 04, 2018 at 06:14 pm

Randall and Rollins do belong in this conversation... Of the 7 high picks used on DB's in the last few years it's a sobering thought that Ha Ha Clinton-Dix might actually be the best one. Wow. Let's hope Jaire can reach several levels above what we've gotten from Ha Ha.

As for King, I've said it numerous times..I think he's a heckuva tackler and his willingness is up there, too. A CB needs to cover, though, and he's wanton in that area. Very, very few glimpses of anything good there. I don't think he's going to be much better all of a sudden in coverage. BTW, you couldn't hold your judgment on King, JS. :) Aggressive, willing tackler... That is a judgment. I believe it to be correct, just like my agreement on it and my thoughts on his coverage ability. It's only right not to judge when somebody is being criticized? It goes the other direction, too.

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May 03, 2018 at 07:37 am

This is the first show I listened to.

I thought it was really good. I will listen to more shows in the future!

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Samson's picture

May 03, 2018 at 09:49 pm

Of course you will.
Unfortunately, not all of us have the liberty to "play" on the internet while on the job. --- Must be nice.

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May 04, 2018 at 07:04 am

Maybe you should find a better job?

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worztik's picture

May 04, 2018 at 01:19 pm

Playing on the Internet is NOT a part of any “real” job description!!! Inane comments here!!!

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dobber's picture

May 04, 2018 at 01:40 pm

My sister-in-law works for Harley Davidson, and her job is to look for those inappropriately using the Harley shield or other copyrighted property online. So, basically, all she does is play around on the internet.

...she loves her job.

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May 04, 2018 at 04:15 pm

I hope she doesn’t mind my avatar. Or sig pic. I really dunno the difference.

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worztik's picture

May 04, 2018 at 01:19 pm

And, how do YOU know that he was at work???

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May 04, 2018 at 01:20 pm

DUH TO BOTH...

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May 04, 2018 at 01:41 pm

There are quite a few people here who are retired, after all...

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Ferrari Driver's picture

May 03, 2018 at 09:34 am

I enjoyed reading the John Kirk comments. We don't have to agree with everything, but he had some interesting comments which took considerable time to put together in a decent flowing message.

I also enjoyed the work by the author who also put in a yeoman's effort to put out an informative product.

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WKUPackFan's picture

May 03, 2018 at 01:24 pm

That is not very high praise for Kirk coming from someone who erroneously thought that HHCD was a kneeler.

So which part of Kirk's speculation masquerading as fact did you like? The claim of absolute "fact" that Jaire Alexander was a mid-second round pick? The claim of absolute "fact" that TT would have selected Josey Jewell? The claim of absolute "fact" that Josh Jackson will be slower than 4.6 in Lambeau and that Jackson will no longer be focused on his training? How about the now thoroughly discredited notion that ESB refused to play special teams? Or maybe it was the (at least acknowledged) guess that the front office was "blindsided" by the Mike White selection so they "just went with" a punter because they "knew" Oakland was going to pick him?

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May 04, 2018 at 01:22 pm

UH OH... Western Knucklehead is back!!!!

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Minniman's picture

May 04, 2018 at 03:15 pm

Well one thing is for sure, there are some regular posters around here whose proverbial "colors are nailed to the mast" regarding fledgeling players who haven't played a snap in the NFL let alone in a defensive scheme that no-one outside of the organization has seen yet, or an offense that's been quoted as being revamped.

It will make for interesting reading once the season starts.

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John Kirk's picture

May 05, 2018 at 01:26 pm

I had an epiphany clicking the link in the story to the CHTV YouTube page and watching the Corey Behnke video about "perspective".

Perspective was a very curious and bizarre way to describe what was offered in that video. I have to say that his video summed up quite nicely the stream I've been swimming upward against all the years I've been posting. It's an impossible task to speak to people who are willfully irrational and proud of it.

Realism is a dirty dirty word as Corey makes very clear in that video. Realism should never be taboo. Who willfully and proudly states they live in make believe and love it and how dare anyone not leave them to it?

All the downvotes, vitriol, etc...is a response to realism colliding with fantasy. I have noticed many fans who are like that are prone to be Star Wars fans, Trekkies or things of that nature, too. I think they kinda go hand in hand in a lot of ways.

In some ways, I feel bad for bringing realism here. It's not wanted by the vast majority as the Behnke video makes clear. Realism is not evil, nor negative. It has been painted that way by many to avoid the real issue which Corey laid out as being desiring fantasy and eschewing reality. I see a lot of good in hope and faith but when what underpins it is an acknowledgment that it's based on escapism that's a place I can't and won't go. I couldn't as an adult male ever knowingly go against common sense to choose escapism and further to mock and make fun of someone who is peddling reality.

That video as much as I cringed watching it really was an epiphany for me. I'm different for having watched it.

I had to watch it again...in the video Corey is ranting like a lunatic about "EVERYBODY SAID" the Packers would lose to Pittsburgh in the SB? To prove how much fantasy he lives in here is the betting line for that particular SB:

XLV 2011 Arlington, TX Green Bay vs. Pittsburgh Green Bay -3 (45) Green Bay 31 Pittsburgh 25 Favorite-Over

The Packers were FAVORED by 3. Favored! That need to escape reality is present right there in that rant. The world was not against the Packers. You are not a better fan than the realist by pretending you believed in your team when they didn't. It's just sad, really. It's not normal behavior and really not normal to brag about it on top of it.

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May 05, 2018 at 01:44 pm

I think I speak for everyone when I say that your ability to type while having your head lodged so far up your own ass is nothing short of heroic. I mean that.

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May 05, 2018 at 01:59 pm

LOL.

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Oppy's picture

May 05, 2018 at 03:42 pm

The burden is immense. John Kirk understands.

EDIT: Okay, I wrote the above after reading your post as a snarky comment because quite frankly, I simply can't get over how condescending of an egotistical blowhard you can be at times.

I just went and watched the Corey's video you're talking about. this_is_The_Link_to_copy_and_paste_//youtu.be/B108lu0CFeU

I simply can not fathom what type of person interprets the message of that video in the way that you did. I'm not sure if you just don't get it, or if you just have a deep need to make everything about you being right and realistic, and everyone else being poor, confused, and deluded. Maybe you've never seen a Packers fan who lets a sunday loss ruin his entire week. Maybe you don't know who Adam Czech was, and don't understand the basic premise of the video at all. But you either missed the point or you decided to focus on one thing and discard the rest to make a scroller post about how people who don't agree with you are willfully ignorant children with their heads in the clouds, and how you feel sorry for bringing "reality" to their sci-fi space adventure lives. That's the length you just went to in order to try to justify why some people here don't agree with you or challenge you from time to time- you took a video about framing the role that football plays in our lives, and putting it in perspective compared to real-world problems like work, family.. cancer... and made it about how silly and foolish people are because they felt the Steelers were being favored in the super bowl? That some people are caught in wild flights of green and gold colored fancy?

Seriously, get over yourself.

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May 05, 2018 at 04:49 pm

First, I am aware of who Adam was and what Al and the many who gave to his family was all about. Don't you dare shame me for any of pretending I don't understand that and am insensitive to it. Adam was briefly mentioned as were Browns and Jets fans. This video was not about Adam so it is you who missed the basic premise. Keep reading to learn what the premise was. You ultra twisted this in reaction to me telling you some truth you didn't like.

I completely got what was said. I don't think you did. I understand the role football plays in my life. It's too much of an idol and I know that. I certainly don't live for the Packers any more than I live for Star Wars or Star Trek, etc. but I do spend too much time thinking about it.

From the video:

--I think most people watch the NFL because it's escape, right?

---I don't need realism. I got realism in my regular job, okay?

---What I cling to hope with is the Green Bay Packers. okay?

(Then he relates being a Packers fan to being a Browns and Jets fan and says...so just have a little perspective in life, people...and then relates the experience of a Packers loss to when we lose we should be thinking about Adam and all the amazing things he experienced watching the Packers????????)

---Remember, this is escapist entertainment.

Then Corey rambled on about EVERYBODY SAID... completely butchering the reality, which he obviously doesn't care for or live in, that the Packers were favored over the Steelers. He went on to talk about the rest of that magical playoff run and spoke to the Bears not having our number like Atlanta, either. Glad he didn't say what he said about the Steelers about the Bears, because the Pack was favored by 3.5 at Chicago that Sunday.

What was this video about? It was a reaction to him hearing reasons that the Packers were going to lose at Washington on Sunday. The video was dated 1/7/2016 and the playoff game was 1/10/2016...it was about not wanting to hear any of those reasons rather focusing on the hope they might win...and they did actually win, handily.

Remember, he also said in the video... "It doesn't matter if they probably will lose...because...the best games I ever saw in my whole life the Packers were supposed to lose... and... they won the game."

Corey's hope was the Packers would win a game they were underdogs by 1-1.5 points on the road but acknowledged they probably would lose. I guess his issue was the voices in Packernation who were feeding his own fears that the Pack would lose at Washington and he wanted them to stop.

Not sure where I got anything wrong above or down here but I'm sure you'll give a wholly different interpretation.

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May 05, 2018 at 05:10 pm

You are not being shamed. You are shaming yourself.

You had no idea who Adam Czech was, and would not care if you did. You would use any disease, any human suffering to try and propagate a hot take.

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May 05, 2018 at 05:50 pm

Uh-oh! Looks like someone forgot to flush again!

KUHWOOOOOOOOSH!

Bye, Kirk! LOL.

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