Buccaneers: 38 Packers: 28

Ahman Green, Ryan Grant, James Jones

The Bad

The Bad

Jarrett Bush, Aaron Rodgers, Shawn Slocum

The Bad

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Mike McCarthy

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 08, 2009 at 09:09 pm

Yep, at least we got a promising young RB in Ahman Green!

GBP 4 LIFE

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Ron La Canne's picture

November 08, 2009 at 09:10 pm

Aaron, Slocum has got to be on the ugly side of the tracks. His teams are pathetic. Of course, MM is responsible for him being there.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 08, 2009 at 09:14 pm

Unbelievable. MM and TT are responsible for this mess. I will repeat what I said last week, for which I was ridiculed. I am ashamed of the Green Bay Packer Organization. The entire team is in disarray, and somewhere, in some dark hole in Southern Mississippi, Brett Favre the douchebag is laughing his head off.

Fire the entire staff. Now. Hire Cowher, and someone who isn't afraid of (gasp) signing a free agent once in a while.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 08, 2009 at 09:15 pm

Ware might end AROD's season next week. Very possible. Maybe that would get somebody fired.

GBP 4 LIFE

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Pack66's picture

November 08, 2009 at 09:17 pm

FAVRE WAS RIGHT!!!

He saw the righting on the wall, but y'all wouldn't listen...

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Pack66's picture

November 08, 2009 at 09:23 pm

Bearmeat..

Don't you mean, Tee Tee, the scumbag..??

That would be more accurate.

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greenbaypackerbob's picture

November 08, 2009 at 10:09 pm

MN Vikes need to send Ted Thompson a big fruit basket and thank you letter (actually maybe Brett should ... at least he is somewhere where he is wanted and being coached by folks that will help him do what he always wanted... win for the team). Brett knew where to go because he knew what a winning TEAM should look like... just no one would listen in GB. Are you listening now????

Packer fans - time to get rid of the real washed up personnel at Green Bay.!!!

Favre left behind a 13-3 Packers. What has this same team done since then? I can't imagine the comments if Favre had thrown 3 picks and led his team to lose against a 0-7 team.

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Pack Fan In Enemy Territory's picture

November 08, 2009 at 10:24 pm

" righting "

Pack66,

You are living proof that our educational system is failing us.

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PackersThad's picture

November 08, 2009 at 10:34 pm

Can Ahman Green and Ryan Grant be put in the "Good" category? They keep dropping dump-off passes! No wonder Aaron Rodgers wants to throw deep all the time!

Also, Kapinos has to be put in the "bad" category. Whenever he could actually get a punt off, it was terrible...

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Dave's picture

November 08, 2009 at 10:42 pm

The Packers will not (and should not) fire either MM or TT any earlier than the end of the season. This one hurt me as much as all of you, but getting rid of them now accomplishes nothing. If you think a Cowher or Gruden is going to come in mid-season and save us you're sorely mistaken. The best you'd get is an interim coach that's currently with the team (Moss?, Capers?). Everyone take a deep breath, pin your ears back and hope for the best. If things don't improve you can all have your blood in January.
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PS - You all sound like a bunch of Viking fans.

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Sparkyo's picture

November 08, 2009 at 10:43 pm

It's official, the Shawn Slocum era is a disaster. Let's not hire any more Slocums or Slowiks okay?

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Sparkyo's picture

November 08, 2009 at 10:54 pm

Sweet revenge for Jim Bates. :-(

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jrarick's picture

November 08, 2009 at 11:08 pm

Dear Aaron and Packer fans. I am done. I am giving up the Packers and sports in general. It is a huge waste of time and emotion in something that just gives nothing back. The Packers are hopeless and need a long time to get back. Thank you for all the fun and wonderful insights. It was a privilege to learn from you all. God bless.

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Dave's picture

November 08, 2009 at 11:12 pm

Seriously?! Yikes.

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nerdmann's picture

November 09, 2009 at 12:20 am

I wonder what Jim Bates is doing these days. LOL.

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MDPackFan's picture

November 09, 2009 at 06:34 am

Dave:
What dimension are you living in?
"PS – You all sound like a bunch of Viking fans".
You're kidding right?
The posts from Packer fans far and wide tell a much different story - one that their (and mine) team stinks. And as real fans, we want to see a fix as opposed to 'oh gosh, got smoked today by an 0-7 team and made a first-time-starting rookie look like a Pro Bowler ... oh well hope that doesn't happen again ... la-la-la, everything will be fine. Ted told me so.'
If we're a bunch of Viqueen fans, I think the Gloat Meter would be pegged, no?

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Milwaukeemurphy's picture

November 09, 2009 at 07:10 am

I guess this is the type of team you build when you don't believe in free agents. Thanks Ted.

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Jim in DC's picture

November 09, 2009 at 07:16 am

MinneapolisBob and Viking66, aren't you to Favre-homers lost? This is a Packers fan blog site.

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Ruppert's picture

November 09, 2009 at 07:58 am

Given the O line's performance this year, I'm ready to call for Thompson's head. I have generally stuck up for the guy (and I still do on the Favre deal), but aside from Favre, his job is to build the roster. This O line is the worst I have ever seen put on the green and gold. Even the 80's lines could pass block a little. This crew cannot block for the run or the pass. We're talking about 5 years into it for TT...I'm too lazy too look it up, but I'd be hard pressed to see a similar situation in the league where a GM took an O line from where it was at in 2005 to where it is at now. Time to turn the page, Theo.
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And McCarthy? He should go back to cleaning the bathroom in the tavern. I won't waste ink on this one. Suffice to say he has gotten worse instead of better during his tenure. Ask yourself this: Would MM get hired into another NFL coaching job if we fired him? I think not. When that situation becomes true, I always think it's time to fire the guy.
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Chill out on Mark Murphy, people. Harlan stuck him with TT and MM, thanks to the extensions he doled out before he retired. We have no idea if he knows how to hire a competent GM. Let's hope we'll see in January.

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Aaron Rogders's picture

November 09, 2009 at 08:27 am

MM on the Ugly two weeks in a row..

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Dave's picture

November 09, 2009 at 08:37 am

Out of curiosity, who here thinks the Packers should fire MM and TT today, right now, on the spot? If so, I'd like to hear your plan for the rest of the season.
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In my opinion, there is nothing to be gained by making either of those moves now. As terrible as yesterday's game was, we're not out of anything. If we end up 4-12, changes must be made. If we end up 12-4, being patient will have paid off. Somewhere in between will depend on how it happens. I understand everyone's mad, I am too. I just don't think the Packers are a knee-jerk reaction kind of organization, and I happen to like that. Just my opinion.

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Mr. Optimistic's picture

November 09, 2009 at 09:16 am

What difference does it make if there is no plan for the rest of the season? There isn't a viable plan now! Firing TT & MM would throw the team into chaos? Chaos is what we have with them.

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seekr's picture

November 09, 2009 at 09:25 am

Are things ugly right now? YES! Any breathing Packer fan can see that. But please do not turn around immediately saying things like "Favre was right." Remember, even if we still had Favre, he would still be a less-mobile quarterback attempting to make plays in an immediately collapsing pocket. Yes something's gotta give but please don't fall into the belief that Favre would have made everything okay.

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Dave's picture

November 09, 2009 at 09:37 am

Well that's an excellent plan. I was wrong.

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dustybricks6's picture

November 09, 2009 at 09:37 am

God dammit. There's no way either MM and TT get fired because of the multi-year deal that they've signed. Ergo, even if we fire these bozos, the cap hit would prevent a cowher or a holmgren from even wanting to come here. God dammit!

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Cuphound's picture

November 09, 2009 at 09:38 am

Jrarick, come on. I know it hurts right now. But you don't give up on your team because times get hard. There are bad times in the history of every franchise.
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Ask yourself why you became a Packers fan. Maybe it was for Favre. I gotta admit that's hard, now that he's gone. But Favre, no matter how brilliant a player he was, was never a morally heroic man. He was damned fun to watch though. When I can see through the anger, I know I'll miss him. But he's not the reason I love the Packers, even though I wore his shirt for over a decade. The paint's almost all worn off (of both of them actually) but I wore it anyway. He was a bastard. But he was OUR bastard, and God, he was fun to watch.
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You'll stay a Packers fan because the Green Bay Packers are the most storied and legendary franchise in the history of the sport. There is no city in this country where you can't find a Packers bar. PERIOD. We've played the Bears like five billion times (<B>and they still suck!</B>). That's one of the oldest rivalries in sports. The only comparable one is Yankees vs. Red Sox. How can you walk away from that? You've heard Aaron. Once more unto the breach. So yesterday <I>wasn't</I> St. Crispin's Day. We all know what day was.
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Stick in your tape of the Ice Bowl (mine is <I>still</I> on VHS--I need to buy the DVD) and watch those men battle across the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field to defeat the Dallas Cowboys because that's how God meant for it to be--Lombardi over Landry, good over evil, passion over the machine!
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You're not going to tell your son about yesterday's disaster (at least not with a gleam in your eye). You'll tell him about the Ice Bowl. I was -3 years old at the time, but I still hold my manhood cheap that I was not freezing in the stands at that game.
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Think of Bart Starr (THERE'S A HERO), his bruised body leaping into that end zone to score the winning touchdown of that game. There was a man! He was a quarterback, the greatest in the history of the sport! Think of Vince Lombardi--the patron saint of football. The man who taught us how to pay the price to win, and not to win at any price, like Dick Nixon. Yeah, I just ripped off David Maraniss--fuck it, poetry belongs to those who need it. Take out your copy of <I>Instant Replay</I> and read about the gods who fought on that field. Hear Jerry Kramer's voice in your head. Think of Forrest Gregg! Think of Ray Nitschke! You can't stop being a Packers fan.
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You can't stop being a Packers fan. It's about what's good and holy in the world. It's about a town that owns its own football team that will never move and in good times and bad, will always move us. You don't choose to be a Packers fan. It chooses you. It's a blessing. You'll regret it if you punt. There'll be other games and other seasons. If you weren't there through the bad, you'll be a lesser sports fan. You don't want that.

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Ron La Canne's picture

November 09, 2009 at 09:49 am

It isn't any better after a nights' sleep. I have one suggestion that could take effect immediately. Fire Slocum today. A message would be sent to the team, coaches, and TT. And, best of all, no one would know he was gone.
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I know MM is emotionally attached to him so it will never happen. But, it's fun to dream.

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Dave's picture

November 09, 2009 at 10:00 am

I WOULD be on board with getting rid of Slocum and/or Campen today. Those are moves that can send a message without burning the whole house down. The only problem with that is that I'm not sure who would be available as replacements half way through the season.

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CSS's picture

November 09, 2009 at 10:22 am

How in the hell does James Jones get a 'good' when he dropped the first fricken pass during the last drive? I suppose that was Rodgers fault as well? Rodgers definately had an off game but how many critical passes get dropped AGAIN in addition to penalties that create a down and distance likely to get him killed everytime it's 3rd down. I would like to petition to take Jones off the 'good' list immediately.

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Mr. Optimistic's picture

November 09, 2009 at 10:33 am

Tom Braatz was fired in November. And we all know what a disastrous move that turned out to be. Wouldn't want anything like that to happen again, no sirree.

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Dave's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:16 am

Touche. You got me there. It doesn't change my opinion that any moves to either GM or head coach should be made at the end of the year. As terrible as we looked yesterday it is possible to turn it around and make the playoffs. There's still 8 games to play.

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PackersRS's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:27 am

Dave: put Rodgers to be the OC, Charles Woodson to be the DC, and Barnett to be the HC. We would do a FAR better job.

Maybe this team wouldn't look at the film and clean it up after games, nor the Pad Levels or the Fundamentals would be as good, but they would win ;)

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tsi431's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:27 am

Now that Larry Johnson has been released, let's hope we can sign him and give Grant some real competition.

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Dave's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:34 am

You forgot Crosby as special teams coordinator.

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greenbaypackerbob's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:34 am

It's sad when folks defend a disaster in the name of being a 'true fan'... you will be looking at ice bowl tapes for a long time if you don't get a new GM and Coach.

You don't stop being a Packer fan because you criticize a coach or GM (or player). 2007 we had a 13-3 team... what happen? who died or left? where is the leadership? Where are the free agent pickups, good drafts, etc.,? 6-10 season ok? looking at next week very possible 4-5?

Yeah, let's put in an ice bowl tape, and put a bag over our head and pretend the last season and a half didn't happen ...that's the ticket.

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Pack66's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:45 am

PackfaninEnemyTerritory..

You're probably one of those dooshes still defending TT and MM...you moron.

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AdamInEngland's picture

November 09, 2009 at 11:49 am

Not related to the post, but some of you may be interested (if you didn't already know that is) that Tyrell Sutton had his professional debut with the Panthers on sunday, carrying 3 times for 15 yards.

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PackersRS's picture

November 09, 2009 at 12:49 pm

greenbaypackerbob: Let's also pretend that Favre isn't playing for the most hated rival aside of the Chicago Bears...

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Cullen Juh-henkins's picture

November 09, 2009 at 12:57 pm

You've got to put Special Teams under "Ugly."

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Todd From Minnesota's picture

November 09, 2009 at 01:18 pm

na na na hey hey goodbye.....pack it's over....until next year....

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PackersRS's picture

November 09, 2009 at 01:20 pm

Lol at Turd from Minnesota. As far as I'm concerned it does you no good to win the division and fail in the playoffs. Last time I checked, they only give rings to SB winners, not Division winners...

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Todd From Minnesota's picture

November 09, 2009 at 01:26 pm

I posted this before to win a division is not an easy task in the NFL but to have a .500 ball club that’s easy. What's the Packers' record again oh yes (4-4)
(For you cheese heads that's .500).

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Cuphound's picture

November 09, 2009 at 01:33 pm

Hey GBPBob--I'm not defending this disaster. I want McCarthy canned. I was just trying to help a guy who'd lost faith remember why he should stick with his team. I'm ready to trot McCarthy to the guillotine. I was ready LAST WEEK.

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PackersRS's picture

November 09, 2009 at 02:05 pm

"I posted this before to win a division is not an easy task in the NFL but to have a .500 ball club that’s easy. What’s the Packers’ record again oh yes (4-4)
(For you cheese heads that’s .500)."

So you're happy just with winning the division? Good for you. Setting low goals is allways good! Unfortunately, I've been spoiled with SBs and Championships, so just winning the division or a playoff game won't cut it for me.

Damn the Packers, that won so many times! I should've been a viking! That way I would be happy with division titles!

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Todd From Minnesota's picture

November 09, 2009 at 03:10 pm

PackersRS - Your statement is ridiculous. Enough said.

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Pack Fan In Enemy Territory's picture

November 09, 2009 at 03:38 pm

Pack66,

Again you prove why our educational system is failing us. You might want to stop while you're ahead.

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AdamInEngland's picture

November 09, 2009 at 03:58 pm

Pack Fan - I think all here would agree that never once has Pack66 been ahead.

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PACKERS's picture

November 09, 2009 at 04:01 pm

For the record, Cuphound's novel was the best comment I've ever read here. No team is perfect. Everyone has good years and bad years, and the Pack had two bad DECADES. So just keep cheering. They WILL get better. Go Pack Go!

That said, it should be over for McCarthy and Thompson. What else can they do? Next year, we need to start over. We need a whole new front office, and we need to be like every other team in te league and sign free agents. Do you know any other team hat refuses to sign free agents? There are so many things to say, but they've already been said. I'm done. Go pack.

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WoodyG's picture

November 09, 2009 at 05:12 pm

As long as we're firing everyone........ There's a receptionist who looked at me cross-eyed last time I visited Lambeau....... I want her gone, also.....LOL .......
If you're partial to hiring Cowher as HC, you'd better be patient.... He managed 1 SB in 15 years as the Steeler's HC...... Ah, hell, bring back Holmgren.... He's managed 1 SB victory in 17 years as a HC ....

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Jim in DC's picture

November 09, 2009 at 06:02 pm

PackersRS said: "greenbaypackerbob: Let’s also pretend that Favre isn’t playing for the most hated rival aside of the Chicago Bears…"
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Hey, that's Bob's new team you're talkin' about! LOL!

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Packsmack's picture

November 09, 2009 at 06:22 pm

The NFL has the book on stopping the Packers offense. You cover Jennings and Driver on the deep routes, don't let them get open, and eventually Rodgers will take a sack. You might get burned by Jones or Nelson occasionally, but they aren't good enough to consistently beat guys 1-on-1, so you only have to worry about those 2 guys, since Rodgers will be looking for the deep routes to break open instead of checking down, if he even has checkdowns available because of the help the o-line needs. Grant isn't going to get the ball enough and isn't dynamic enough to gash you, so really, you don't even have to gameplan for him. And yet, McCarthy will stick to his guns and call the same plays. It's disgusting.

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Pack66's picture

November 09, 2009 at 07:58 pm

Anyone who still supports TT and MM is a jackass....

That goes double for PackfaninEnemyTerritory and AdaminEngland.

You define the word, "moron".

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L Sproo's picture

November 09, 2009 at 08:00 pm

Please wake up its not Macarthy its THOMPSON! Dont get me wrong Macarthy needs to go too but Ted Thompson is the problem. This is his team and his coach. Fire them both and hope a guy like John Gruden will as coach and Mike Holmgren as GM can clean this up asap

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mopak65's picture

November 09, 2009 at 08:08 pm

Hey everyone - I alluded to this earlier back in week eight but will be more specific: 1) the Packers lack a dynamic head coach. 2) the Packers lack great talent, with the exception , of course, of a notable few. Now, you may laugh, ridicule, &amp; make comparisons saying: " Things have changed in today's NFL &amp; players &amp; coaching philosophy are different than 'back then' "... but the Game is the Game and LEADERSHIP is still a top proponent to actualize VICTORY! Lombardi inherited a team in 1959 that had talent but was going NO WHERE because they, i.e. the players, lacked determined, disciplined direction. A coaching change is in order, a coach who can recognize each player's ability, placing them in the correct position &amp; calling the correct plays accordingly to attain the maximum results. However, this will not happen in GB until there is a GM who is on the same page as the next prospective head coach who exemplifies the attitude, "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a LOSER". Ted Thompson was a second rate LB in the NFL - truly, WHAT DOES HE KNOW?! Murphy needs to get his s**t together, listen the to "PACKERS FAITHFUL" and make the NECESSARY changes in order to prevent a 70's/80's repeat of Packers' history!

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mopak65's picture

November 09, 2009 at 08:26 pm

The "GOOD" : Ahman Green - YES! Ryan Grant - NO! A chicken shit who will not command extra yardage when challenged by defenders (OVER RATED!). Aaron Rogers - YES! He is tough, smart, has an arm, can scramble, reads defensives - BUT HIS O-LINE DOES NOT RESPECT HIM! He needs Jordy Nelson back in the line up &amp; a dependable tight-end - this helps Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. Packers have one of the best, if not THE best, receiving corps in the NFL but without a dominate o-line
it means nothing!!

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AdamInEngland's picture

November 10, 2009 at 09:31 am

Pack66 - 1. You assume I support TT &amp; MM.
2. There is more chance of Monica Lewinsky being invited to dinner at the Clinton's house this weekend than anyone on this site agreeing with your confused and often illogical arguments (if arguments can be applied to what you post).

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greenbaypackerbob's picture

November 10, 2009 at 09:41 am

Jim &amp; PackersRS

Your comments and responses lack any point or argument toward the current dire situation. Name calling, and going na, na, na is not very impressive. Quit staring at your eyelids. It's like TT has hypnotized you.... "trust in me, trust in me"...

Live in the past if you are happy there but in the current setup you have no future - a path was chosen in the summer of 08 and in aftermath of the 08 and 09 season we better make some serious changes or folks around the league will be calling -us- 'airheads' instead of 'cheeseheads' (but then, maybe that doesn't concern you).

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Jim in DC's picture

November 10, 2009 at 10:21 am

Bob, I am not a TT or MM homer. Unlike you, I am also not a Brent homer, either. Bob, all you ever say here is Brent this and Brent that and how much you hate TT and MM for driving him away. Just lose the Favre-man-love (he's been gone from the Packers' roster for 1.5 years, OK?), and simply focus on the Packers players, coaching, and front office. If you can bring yourself to do that, you won't be criticized by me any more. Your call, Bob.

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greenbaypackerbob's picture

November 11, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Jim

Favre was an integral part of the Packers success for over 16 yrs. He had a lot more to give as proven in the past 2 seasons. My reference to him is simply to show how dogmatic TT and MM are in their goals for this team. No matter how bad the decision making has become it is not going to get any better. In fact, I believe a lot of their current mission surrounds their attempt to cover their butts after making a very 'premature move'. Here is what I wrote on another post (that PackerRS said he agreed with 100%)... I quote (myself!)

“Good discussion above…(Much more to come)

More effort should have been prepared getting the team setup so that it could support a new inexperienced QB. I don’t believe the team was ready for the change.

Everybody wanted the decision to replace AR with Favre to work so bad that the expectations for Rodgers were unrealistic. He is not Favre… maybe in the future but not now. Reasonable folks knew what lay ahead.., yada, yada – old story.

I believe Rodgers holds the ball to long but perhaps with experience that will get better. And he will not last in the NFL running the ball even though he has some talent at it or playing crouching tiger behind a weak OL. Throw it away or give a top receiver a chance to make a play (forget the stats- they only protect TT and MM). But he cannot make an excuse about the cards he was dealt. That’s just the way it is.

Overall, I still believe TT is the primary cause of the current situation and MM is on his coat tail.”

Jim- don't be sour grapes over Favre, there are many of us (probably the great majority) that will always include him in our GB discussions/blogs. Its hard not to after 16 years of my 40 years of Packer support. - I am 52 and have watched more football over the years than I care to admit. It was a long time between 1968 and 1992.... I don't want to go back looking at ice bowl, 1996-97 SB and divisional playoff -tapes- but fear we are heading back to that reality for a long time. Changes do not have to produce 'droughts' if managed properly.

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