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At Least the Packers Don't Face Questions at Quarterback

The Green Bay Packers have a lot of needs to fill this offseason. But on the plus side, they already have their quarterback.

Their chief rival in the NFC North, the Minnesota Vikings, can’t say the same thing. Yes, Case Keenum had a spectacular season. However, he’s not under contract, neither is Teddy Bridgewater or Sam Bradford.

All three Vikings quarterbacks are set to hit the free agent market and it seems that Minnesota still isn’t sure what to do. There have been reports of Keenum getting the franchise tag. While other rumors have the Vikings thinking about keeping Bridgewater as their quarterback of the future.

Maybe Keenum and Bridgewater are both kept and compete. Maybe the same thing happens with Bradford and Bridgewater. It could all depend on money and the market.

How does that old saying go? If you have two or in this case three quarterbacks, you don’t have one.

From my perspective, it would be hard for the Vikings to pass on keeping Keenum. He played extremely well this season, there is no question about that. 22 touchdown passes, more than 3,500 yards passing. He was a key reason for the Vikings run to the NFC title game, even though he came crashing down to earth against the Eagles.

If the Vikings had advanced to the Super Bowl or even won it, Keenum probably would have been kept. But did the NFC Championship game change the organization’s mind? It’s possible. The 2007 NFC Championship game definitely played a part in the Packers wanting to move on from Brett Favre.

Because of Bradford’s injury history, you would think Minnesota would try to franchise or even transition tag Keenum, while also signing Bridgewater to deal that gives him top backup/low-end starter money. Unfortunately, for the Vikes, to do both is going to cost around $30 million, although they might be able to do some cap tricks to reduce that number a little.

I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable giving Keenum a long-term, big-money deal. I’d want to see him do it again. That’s why a tag makes sense. The problem is then you can’t prorate any of the money. And the franchise tag for quarterbacks is going to be around $20 million and I can’t see Teddy re-signing for less than $10.

The Packers do have some work to do too. They need to get Aaron Rodgers new deal done and get him locked into what could be the final 5-6 year run of his incredible career.

It’s also true that the Packers need to catch up to the Vikings in a lot of areas, especially on defense. But finding corners and pass rushers is still easier than finding an elite quarterback and even after one of their best seasons in years, the Vikings still don’t have one.

They also don’t know who their starting quarterback is next season, which makes them the only team in the NFC North with that dilemma. Just something to think about.

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zoellner25's picture

I think our backup QB could be a question

fthisJack's picture

why would anyone dislike this comment??

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Some people don't even like themselves...

I wonder if there is a correlation?

fthisJack's picture

do you want Hundley coming in if Rodgers gets hurt again? we need a backup QB that can come in and win some games. Hundley is not the answer. we need a guy with experience that has won games before.

Chuck Farley's picture

Really? there like ok with Hundley? Yes were set with Rogers as long as he can keep from getting his shoulders broken in pieces.
They are not set at back up and personally I would hope one change would be to ax Hundley (that experiment) should be over and get a decent back up but not necessarily Rogers successor.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Oh , they're going to keep Hundley because they wouldn't have taken him out of the game with 2 minutes left to play in the Detroit game. They didn't want him to get hurt for the next season. Personally, I would have let him finish his last two minutes and he's done in Green Bay.

So to me, yes there are major questions at back up quarterback and quite frankly even at starting quarterback, Aaron Rodgers does not have that many years left. It's just reality and the realization of life without Aaron Rodgers is going to happen within the next 5-6 years whether you like it or not.

dobber's picture

Hundley will be back because he's young, he's cheap, he's under contract for 2018, and he's likely better than Callahan. Nobody says he won't get beat out in camp, but he'll at least be there when they put on the pads in July.

"It's just reality and the realization of life without Aaron Rodgers is going to happen within the next 5-6 years whether you like it or not."

5-6 years is an eternity in roster management. It's like saying: 100 years from now, the US is going to be half under water. Well, I'll be 150 then, so I'm not going out of my way to buy property in Colorado...

Worztik's picture

Dob... I do have some property here in WI that’s on a lake and not under water yet if yer interested... the lake is full of Snakehead Terrors and Bull Sharks but, the swimming is interesting!!! Call me... or I can have my people contact your people!!!

dobber's picture

I could do some fishin'... got some contraband explosives...

Chris Peterson's picture

I disagree. Rodgers has shown absolutely no signs of slowing down. Tom Brady and Drew Brees are both playing well and are close to 40. Favre play well into high 30's. Rodgers was probably the MVP of the league after six games. One freak injury doesn't mean anything. Yes they need to upgrade backup. But I disagree, I think he could play 5-6 good years and play a few years beyond that. He is committed to taking care of himself, much like Tom Brady.

John Kirk's picture

The issue is decline with a QB often isn't gradual, it's sudden, as in the case with Favre. He was incredible his first year in Minnesota...looked like a league MVP and had arguably his best season as a pro. The very next he was finished. There were no signs of decline. Came as a thief in the night.

There is physical as well as mental decline. Nobody knows how much anyone is going to "want it" as they get up in their 30's. Brady is unique in that regard. He is a fiery competitor and clearly wants it.

Saying Aaron has more than 3 or 4 great years left is wishing and speculation. There is no guarantee on even the 3 or 4 more great years as he could move into Tony Romo territory and have to go early due to injuries. None of us know.

I'd say it's likely he has 3-4 good to great years left...after that it's like a 60 yard FG attempt.

Coldworld's picture

Hundley may be young and cheap in terms of salary but he is not good enough since costly should he be needed. This is where Gutekunst and Murphy who control the roster must step in to ensure coach loyalty is not blind. This is a big test for the new structure and it’s occupants

Worztik's picture

After reading the above 3, I shouldn’t say anything, so I won’t!!!

John Kirk's picture

Will Aaron sign his extension? How's he going to look in the opener as he didn't like good at Carolina? Will he play not to get hurt? Will he hold up for an entire season? Will he be worse under Frank Cignetti who got Eli Manning benched and stopped his lengthy starting streak? Will Danica be a distraction? Are we going to get 2015 Rodgers and will his bad body language return if he's not happy with something? Would he get over losing Jordy and or RC18? Will Philbin put him back in MVP conversations?

Not even going to get into the circus of Hundley and the backup positions.

JDK52's picture

Wow. I don't even know where to start with all of...that.

Why are you worried about all this? Nothing you've said is more than wild speculation.

John Kirk's picture

I'm sorry...I shouldn't try having a little fun.

Worztik's picture

Mr. John Kirk... don’t you know that this is a WORK site and we all know that work can’t be fun!!! With that said, I’m more interested in the fact that ARod lives in Boys Town Hollywood per an obnoxious article I read the other day!!! If I were 30 years younger, I’d take Danica for a “spin” around the track and walk away a better, but bitter, man. HAHA I appreciated your facetiousness and there needs to be more of it!!!!!

JDK52's picture

That's a pretty interesting way of defining "fun."

John Kirk's picture

The title of the piece connoted we had no QB worries. There is always something to worry about not that you should so I listed several things that could be issues.

I enjoy debate and felt the headline was a softball that invited rebuttal.

billybobton's picture

another article that has nothing to do with the title and nothing remotely accurate to what happened this year to packer QB play

rdent's picture

This time of the off season is slow and now that GB has it's new GM and coaches in place it will get even slower. Won't be much to roll with until FA in March.

Chris Peterson's picture

How does it have nothing to do with the title? The point is that while the Packers have holes to feel, they have their guy at quarterback. The fact is, no matter who the backup is, he's not going to replace Aaron Rodgers. The point was that the Vikings have uncertainty, the Packers don't.

fthisJack's picture

the point of all of this is....the Packers have MAJOR uncertainty if Rodgers gets hurt again? we're not talking about just starting QB's here. its every QB on your roster. Packers need an experienced guy that can come in and win games if Rodgers gets hurt and i ,for one, don't think that guy is [email protected]

Worztik's picture

Belly Button... take a sleeping pill and reappear in 40 years when football is outlawed by the FAR LEFT and only girls tennis and soccer will be the National pastime!!! Have some fun... ignore the thumbs ( seems like old Roman bull swagger) and just pretend that we all know as much as the professionals!!! I know more than they do... but, I’m the only one!!!

4thand1's picture

Back ups, we talkin back ups?

Worztik's picture

No practice!!!

fthisJack's picture

we are talking uncertainty at QB...thats the headline. Packers have it IMO!

Dzehren's picture

When AROD signs his extension for about 30M annually, we need to draft a late round QB and bring in 2 UDFA’s unless we can find a VET QB under 2M like a Hoyer or Sanchez type (900K)

Finwiz's picture

I'd do some serious knocking on wood while writing a headline like that. One more injury to your 34 yo QB, and you're in deep sheet again. They'd better find a decent backup this year, is all I can say. If they think they're going into the season with Hundley again, somebody has some serious problems with talent evaluation.

Maybe they can go sign Taysom Hill.....oh wait.

dobber's picture

I wouldn't be all that surprised if Taysom Hill isn't available some time between now and the end of August...

New Orleans is in a position where Brees probably has 2 years left and they need their QB of the future. I expect them to make that move in a QB rich class like this one.

John Kirk's picture

I'd be stunned if Taysom Hill is available. Aikman and Buck said during one of their broadcast of the Saints that Payton couldn't stop talking Taysom in the production meeting. Aikman said Hill was the QB of the future. He is Payton's next franchise QB.

We need to look elsewhere. I doubt the Saints use any high draft capital, if any, on a QB.

Here's the clip if you missed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_kDHcqbaRg

dobber's picture

Oh, no, I saw the clip live. I'm just not buying what's being sold.

John Kirk's picture

Why? What makes you believe the Saints are going to release Hill? How could you listen to the clip and conclude...nah, I don't buy it...they're going to release him and we'll get him back?

Is it based on wishing we hadn't let him go in the first place? I was very upset we moved on from him. He was the clear winner in the backup QB race, although, I understand he was facing poor competition. You can't teach the speed or instincts he has.

Another case where our org valued a draft pick and time invested over actual ability to our peril

I guarantee you Hill isn't coming back this offseason.

dobber's picture

Nope. I don't care if he comes back, I just said that I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut loose at the end of camp in 2018. I was never a Taysom-aniac. I've been begging people to stop romanticizing him. I wish him the best, but I don't think he's any more than maybe a backup QB in the league, and I certainly don't think Sean Payton is waiting to hand QB responsibilities over to him after Brees retires in, what, two years (when he'd start the season as an unproven 30 year old QB)? THAT'S what I don't buy. That's what puts him in a precarious roster position. Sure, every team has dedicated special teamers who are on the depth chart at other positions only in name. In that event, he's even less a QB than Jeff Janis has been a WR.

...and I don't think that if the Packers kept him it would have made much difference in the outcome of 2017.

Dzehren's picture

Hill is not getting released. GUTE needs to uncover another Tayson Hill!

Since '61's picture

Why? He has never taken a snap as an NFL QB? I would prefer for Gute to uncover another Aaron Rodgers. Thanks, Since '61

dobber's picture

Amen...

If we're going to choose, how about a Tom Brady...leaves more draft capital to cover other needs... ;)

HankScorpio's picture

Is that why the Saints played Hill on STs?

Do you still believe MM told the truth about Hundley's fitness to play?

John Kirk's picture

Two completely different scenarios. Nuance completely glossed over if not outright missed. Your reasoning is, and I want to make sure I have this straight... He played STs? And... MM lied about Hundley?

MM had to speak about Hundley because he was the QB. He offered coachspeak. No, I don't believe he was telling the truth. Not one bit.

Payton, unprompted, went on and on and on about Taysom Hill to Buck and Aikman in more than one production meeting. Why? You understand his speed, right? Payton used it on punt block. Novel. Innovative. Brilliant.

You come celebrate to me when Payton cuts Taysom Hill. Why would he? He has a role on their ST's, where he performs, and he loves him. Just like he said he loved Kamara at the beginning of the season. I bought into that and he was right as rain.

There is no chance Hill is cut this off season unless he's injured or has some horrific off the field incident.

Again, tell me why he's going to be cut? What has been presented would be dismissed and laughed out of court if this was a trial.

The Packers blew it on Hill. It's unfortunate. Mistakes happen.

There are many reasons for us to cut Hundley but we won't. There are NO reasons to cut Hill in New Orleans and they won't. Different approaches. You can decide for yourself which one is right and which one is wrong.

dobber's picture

"You understand his speed, right? Payton used it on punt block. Novel. Innovative. Brilliant."

What's so innovative about taking a guy with some size who runs fast and putting him on special teams? He averaged something like 13 ST snaps per game after being activated in December. It's not as if they put him out there for one snap in the playoffs and he ALMOST got to the punter.

I won't celebrate to anyone when a player gets cut. These are people with families and hopes and dreams. All I'm saying is that, as a QB, he's in a precarious spot. Maybe not as much as a ST player, but as a QB, yes.

John Kirk's picture

Name for me all the quarterbacks you've seen on punt block in the NFL?

dobber's picture

I think you've just made my point.

John Kirk's picture

Are you for real? You just said it wasn't innovative they used Hill on punt block. It is. It doesn't happen. The definition of innovative is using a fast QB on punt block.

He's good at it, too. So, why would they cut him? You think Payton is lying about loving Hill and wanting him as his QB, but there's not a shred of anything that would lead to that conclusion.

dobber's picture

<<pokes self>>
I feel real...kinda soft, too.

Listen, I said it's not innovative to use a guy who has some size and speed on special teams. That's what I said. I don't think we're going to see anyone else rushing to use their reserve QBs on special teams because Taysom Hill was in the frame when someone else blocked a punt. I also find it highly unlikely that the prized find of the UDFA crop who plays the most important position is someone that they would jeopardize by putting him in the middle of the mayhem of ST.

In my opinion, he's not going to be a starting QB in this league. Therefore they really aren't risking anything by playing him on ST. Why would they cut him? Because ST specialists are easily replaced and they get hurt. QB prospects are valuable, yes, but I would argue that's really not what Hill is if they're playing him on ST.

Why do you seem to be taking this so personally?

John Kirk's picture

Do you watch NFL football outside of the Packers or are you Packers centric? I watch all the games I can.

Your opinion here seems to be one that puts the Packers in a good light as if that's your intention. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

The Saints put Alvin Kamara on KO return. He was doing this before the playoffs and after he got concussed at Atlanta where it showed just how important he was to their offense.

Payton using Taysom Hill on ST's where he has 4.4 speed and is an athlete makes you believe he's going to be cut and he must be a dime a dozen QB prospect even after claiming you saw that clip live. I did see it live. I was one who was very disappointed we cut Taysom Hill. He earned a roster spot.

You have hall of famer Troy Aikman, who isn't prone to hyperbole, saying on a FOX broadcast that Taysom Hill is the next QB of the New Orleans saints after spending 2 minutes on a critical Saints Panthers matchup talking about a backup QB who plays ST's whom Payton has gone on about time and time again. I did see Payton tried downplaying that after it was brought to his attention but they loved his speed, arm, and his ability to move in the pocket.

How your opinion is they're just going to cut him this offseason really confuses me. There is no basis for saying that whatsoever, so i wanted to hear why you think that as to see if you're just trying to defend the Packers honor by trying to paint the decision to move on from him in Packers positive way. After reading your responses, I believe that is what you're doing. It's an agenda based thing for you and I have issue with posts that are filled with koolaid over reason.

Did Aikman share your concern that Hill was on punt block meaning that he wasn't really a QB prospect because he was out there trying to block punts? No. Payton used his asset in an innovative way. No QB's block punts. Then, again, very few QB's run 4.4. He's not the starter. Why not let him make plays like Kamara on ST's who was their offense?

Brees is almost done. Hill even if he is 30 when he gets the gig has many years as a starter if he truly is the guy. Everyone here seems to be on the Aaron can play until he's in his 40's bandwagon. If 40 is so easily gotten to, that would give Taysom 10 years. You said earlier that 5 years was a roster eternity so Hill would be two eternities. There is not one piece of logic or consistency in what you've typed on Taysom that would indicate he'll be released. The Saints even lined him up at WR to try and get his speed on the field. He's a football player. Why would you cut a 4.4 football player who gets it and you can utilize in all sorts of ways? I don't care if he never takes a snap at QB, there is no reason for them to cut him and that's my issue.

Watching the Saints use Hill in innovative ways makes me really question our philosophy with guys like Jeff Janis who can run like the wind and are strong as a bull. Janis lacks a lot of things you wish he had but he has speed and we have none. Why we can't get the ball in his hands a few times a game has been a mystery to me. We continue to trot out a speedless WR corps including speedless TE's and create little separation. Embarrassing to read we have the slowest WR's in the NFL. You don't give a QB like Rodgers the slowest WR corps in the league. I refuse to believe Sean Payton or any other franchise would saddle their QB with a bunch of slow movers. New England won the SB and went out and traded for the speedy Brandin Cooks while we just continued trotting out our turtles. Lots confuses me about the Green Bay Packers. Losing Hill was one and to see Payton using his skillset just reminds of how little we do those kinds of things in Green Bay.

dobber's picture

Cheers to you, friend.

Go get some sleep.

Since &#039;61's picture

There is also not a shred of evidence that Taysom Hill can be a starting QB in the NFL. He's never taken a snap as a QB in an NFL game.
If the saints are serious about utilizing Hill as a QB why would they risk a hand and or arm injury to block a punt?
The fact that he has speed what does that mean for playing QB.
I agree I've never seen a QB used to block a punt? Maybe that's because he won't be used as a QB but rather as a Special Teamer.
The Packers used Jeff Janis on special teams because of his speed, does that mean Janis will be our QB someday? I don't think so.
Hill may remain with the Saints on STs, I don't know if that means he is their future QB. How or why would you come to that conclusion? Thanks, Since '61

Coldworld's picture

Hill is older, inexperienced and raw. He has exciting physical gifts and maybe has some potential. We like him because he looked good in preseason compared to Hundley. We now know how low that benchmark was.

Taysom Hill is not the next GB QB. He may eventually play as many games as Hundley. If He was still with us I would be pushing for us to sign a F.A. To cover Rodgers next year. The big failing is not Hill but failing to dispassionately assess Hundley’s relative merits and cut our losses.

John Kirk's picture

There are more than shreds of evidence the Saints are high on Hill as a QB. They claimed him immediately and were shocked we cut him. If you watched that clip you'd find more evidence. Aikman addressed the injury issue during the broadcast. Payton wasn't worried saying even if he got hurt he had all offseason to get healthy.

This debate began due to a claim the Saints would release him this offseason. I don't care whether he ever takes a snap or becomes their franchise QB...this was about them cutting Hill and that's a near impossibility.

No lament for not having Taysom to be the backup last season. We all saw, again, the stubborn losing ways of Mike McCarthy on full display. Would rather lose with his guy than actually try something else to win. This is why Mike is not a winner. He refuses to make decisions that need to be made to win. Loyalty above all else. No matter if Taysom looks good vs scrubs...there's no need to give him a shot vs top competition to see what we had. We'll just leave him buried and hope we can add him to the PS.

dobber's picture

Dude, I never said "he will get cut". It says I wouldn't be surprised if he does get cut by the end of camp next year. That can be said about any player that hovers around the bottom of any team's roster. It's an opinion, and I try to recognize everything I post here that way by using the phrases "I think..." or "I believe..." or "it seems..." as much as possible.

Only Sith deal in absolutes...

That said, I enjoy debate and never take any of this stuff personally (unless name-calling starts coming into play...).

Cheers.

fthisJack's picture

they blew a lot last year. Hyde, Heyward, and Hill. anyone who's last name starts with H has to be kept on the roster this year...:0.

stockholder's picture

Were in a Rebuild. Everyone says Nelson rapidly declining. And we need a speedster to stretch the field. We need a Te. We need a OL to pertect the QB better. We need to lock up A-Rod? Well people lets spend money on Free -Agents. Or has TT brain washed us. We don't need to lock up anyone. The franchise tag is there to be used. If A-rod stays as good as gold. Use the tag. Who says A-Rod isn't going to rapid decline too? I wouldn't blame this franchise 1 bit if they drafted , or moved up for a QB. Let's not bet the House on A-Rod or Hundley.

Chris Peterson's picture

Not bet the house on Aaron Rodgers, two-time MVP and the best player in the league? Ok..........

Finwiz's picture

I'm thinking Rodgers has some serious competition from Tom Brady, in the "best player in the league" contest.

Coldworld's picture

I would argue that there is a difference between wins and QB play. I think we all accept that others in NE have contributed somewhat as well as, in recent years, the decline of credible competition making getting to the SB much easier for them (post Peyton in Indy particularly).

As a player i’d say Rodgers. Bart was not the best Player but he was a winner and leader. Brady is a a good modern comparison with him if you ask me.

fthisJack's picture

eff Brady and the Pats. cheaters.

stockholder's picture

Ok ,But = Comparing Favre to A-=Rod. Favre didn't have a neck broken twice! A-Rod was the back-up to Favre in 2005! A-rod is 34. About the same age Favre was when they drafted A-rod. (Hundley is NO A-Rod.) I know your argument has merit. I'm not putting down A-Rod. I'm saying the packers could draft a QB at #14. That A-Rod will only play, and NOT WIN ANY PLAYER OF THE YEAR Awards Etc. Like Favre! If you lock up a QB he must still be able to collect the awards. And maintain that He is the best player in the league. Not Just Stats. Your hoping A-Rod is more like Brady and joe Montana. I say A-ROD IS more like Starr,Favre, Namath, Morino etc. Medicine has worked wonders with A-Rod. Your expecting more. The mileage gets everyone tired.

HankScorpio's picture

Broken neck? Geez...

Since &#039;61's picture

When did A-Rod break his neck twice? Check out an anatomy book or look it up on Goodle. The collar bone and the neck are two different bones in two different places on the body. An injury to the shoulder has nothing to do with a broken neck.

A-rod has won the league MVP award twice, how is that not winning awards like Favre? Rodgers is a better player than Favre. He makes better decisions with the football, he rarely if ever hurts the team with bad throws like Favre did regularly. Rodgers is more mobile and throws better on the run than Favre ever did. I loved Favre and loved watching him play but he was not as good as Rodgers.

Also, from 1995 - 1998 Favre had a better supporting cast than A-Rod has ever had. First Mike Holmgren was a better coach than MM, second Farve's OL was better than Rodgers and the Packers had a better running game during those years. Third and maybe most important the Packers defense was much better than any defense A-Rod has played with so far. The Packers defense was #1 in the league in 1996.

Yes, Favre is an all-time great QB and a HOFer but Rodgers has taken the QB position to another level. His mobility and accuracy while throwing on the run separates Rodgers from the other all-time greats. No one, not even Montana or Brady has taken the QB position to another level like Rodgers since John Unitas single-handedly created the modern QB position. Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

collar bone - fine- it was. the reference to mvp, is a projection. Favre the old man couldn't win another(after 34) and neither will A-Rod. The only thing A-Rod wins at 34 is "Comeback player of the year". Good as Farve. A-Rod was better. No argument. The argument is a long term signing! Projection of stats even super-bowls. Every great QB has regressed. That was the point. Your point is accuracy. But what happened with Nelson Gone? Rodgers will have his place in Packer History. The coach doesn't play the game. Every fan feels their hero was better than Rodgers. The greats know how to win. It is what it is. Wins! And super-bowl trophies. Thats what Makes the legend!

Since &#039;61's picture

stockholder - I agree that SB wins make the legend, but none of the legends played or won their SB trophies by themselves. If you put Rodgers or Montana or Favre or Starr or Marino or Unitas or any of the greats on the Patriots they all win at least as many SBs as Brady. Dan Fouts and Philip Rivers would win a bunch of SBs with the Pats. But if you put Brady on the Packers with the same defense that A-Rod has played with do you think he wins 5 SBs. He should have lost the last 2 SBs even with the Pats but his opponents' coaches beat themselves and Brady's defense saved both games for him. One with a good play against a bad play call by Seattle and the other by holding Atlanta down so Brady could make a comeback.
John Elway won his 2 SBs in his late 30s, Unitas was 39 or 40 when he won with the Baltimore Colts. Peyton Manning won at 40. There is plenty of time for Rodgers to win awards and SBs. But he can't do it alone, even if he is the league MVP or how well he plays. Great QBs may regress but that doesn't mean they can't or don't know how to win. Let's hope that Rodgers decides to resign with the Packers and we get to watch him play for another 5-6 seasons or more. Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

61. I understand about Elway and peyton Manning. And I hope to see A-Rod play. But this was about HAVING THE BEST TEAM POSSIBLE. Not replacing A-Rod. We both know Hundley should not the back up when this team puts it all together. (You hope he gets cut.) It's about the best team possible.

dobber's picture

This team has been in a rebuild for a couple seasons now. Look at the two-deep from 2015 and compare it to the two-deep today...

HankScorpio's picture

Rodgers had the team that needs so much rebuilding at 4-1 before he got hurt.

John Kirk's picture

What does 4-1 count for? NOTHING. Was Rodgers going to carry the abysmal defense to a SB? No. The D has needed a fresh approach, the team has needed a new GM for years, also.

Can you see the forest for the trees? Regular season records mean nothing. How'd Minnesota's 13-3 turn out? They had a defense. We don't.

A 4-1 record doesn't mean things aren't broken. We beat a Cincy team in OT that hadn't scored a TD in it's first two games. We were at home and eeked by. Dallas was impressive but D was awful, as usual. We squeaked by Seattle who isn't a good road team in the opener and got gifted a non TD call on a pick 6 that was nullified for some odd reason. We beat the Bears with Mike Glennon. We got drilled at Atlanta, again. We beat no playoff teams to get to 4-1. How you've turned that into everything is fine makes me want to ask how you arrived there?

This team was in disrepair during the years CK7 and the Niners were ripping us every year. It's sad that it took so many years for the CEO and fanbase to awaken to issues that were present when the record was good enough to get to the playoffs and lose. What is your expectation as a fan? Win the division and lose every year? The goal is the SB. Not getting there is failing to meet the goal.

Aaron Rodgers has covered a multitude of sins for a long long time. Nuance is missed. Any team with Aaron Rodgers is going to win a lot of games. He's that good. The supporting cast has been laughable for YEARS, not just last year but you couldn't see because 4-1 means something to you. It shouldn't. You should be able to see through 4-1 to the issues present, but you couldn't, or didn't want to.

dobber's picture

Withdrawn

Since &#039;61's picture

Dobber - I know what you mean. Another cookie for you. Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

Way to much sugar. I prefer Diet Coke.

Since &#039;61's picture

I switched from Diet Coke to Seltzer years ago. Diet sodas are at least as bad for us in a different way as regular soda. As for the cookies, Dobber and I and a few other posters go back to his Cookie Monster days with that one. Thanks, Since '61

dobber's picture

Cookie monster is my idol. That dude never added a pound.

Can't drink diet Coke...allergic to aspartame.

fthisJack's picture

i'm not here to read novels, Kirk. beam me up Scotty!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I didn't get a chance to read Dobber's initial comment, yet I still upvoted "withdrawn." Not sure what that means - I had a suspicion that I would have liked his initial reply, and found "withdrawn" to have quite a bit of meaning.

dobber's picture

You're too kind, TGR...

Spock's picture

fthisjack,
Hey, that's MY line!
Spock out.

billybobton's picture

The only explanation is that you get down votes from thompson and capers. Hard to find a more accurate summation and yet looks like reality is still not a favorite.

Everyone who down voted you should have to go review three things:

The difference in the OTackles while Rodgers played
What happened after BAHK, our best OL came back

and the difference in BAHK from one year to the next when he goes from pass blocking for AROD the best ever at foot work and repositioning blockers and defenders to provide more time; and BH who sucked at that the way he sucked at so much

AROD is so good that the entire OL gets far more credit than it deserves when he plays (as do WR and RB) and is about as it seems with BH

Coldworld's picture

Yes, but did any of us think we could really win the Super Bowl? Never mind the D, we were all hoping Rodgers could find an open receiver. That was not the case 5 years ago.

This sounds like the TT mindset. Good enough to make the playoffs. Thought we were all sick of that.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

This year has a lot of uncertainty's.
Expect the worst and hope for the best.

dobber's picture

...always expect the best. To expect the worst means you're more likely to be appeased by mediocrity.

Since &#039;61's picture

I always tell my clients to expect the best but plan for the worst case scenario. A good exit strategy is just as important as an effective entry strategy. Thanks, Since '61

Spock's picture

I've always heard that the definition of a pessimist is "an optimist who has more facts". Fortunately, I'm usually clueless, so it makes me a happy optimist!

dobber's picture

I'll have to remember that!

Spock's picture

Chris, the article was fine but I'm with Bearmeat: PLEASE NO MORE VIKING PURPLE in the pictures for these articles. I often read CHTV in the morning over breakfast, please don't make me throw up in my mouth! :)

Chris Peterson's picture

I understand. Just think it's an important topic. And it's meant to give us hope too. Minnesota has a lot of things but don't you think it would kill to have Rodgers instead of what it has now. GB knows it has the answer at QB. MIN doesn't. That was the point and that is a huge advantage for GB going forward.

John Kirk's picture

Don't you feel the flip of this, Chris? You note the "huge advantage" at QB we have over the Vikings and over the rest of league, really. What have we parlayed that into? One SB appearance in 12 years?

What hope should we have just in having Aaron when 1 out of 12 seasons has ended with the team advancing tot the SB? Vikings got as far as we have minus one season with Case Keenum. I think they have more hope knowing they got to the NFCCG with Case Keenum a journeyman backup. They have Dalvin Cook, a special player, coming back for them. That team in totality is so much better than the Packers. A 3rd string QB was good enough to take them to the 'chip. Our prized traded up backup wasn't good enough to pilot our woeful roster anywhere and needed OT to beat the likes of Cleveland and Tampa Bay.

Big fan of Aaron's play and am thrilled we have him but the squandering needs to end yesterday. I can't wait to see what this org has in store for 2018. The Vikes have arrived with their defense. Even the underwhelming Mark Murphy knows we need to catch them, now.

Coldworld's picture

Yes they would. I also thought no they have less than they think they have there.

fthisJack's picture

GB did not have the answer to QB after AR went down!

4thand1's picture

The only question I want solved is how to arrange the trophy case to fit another Lombardi.

Since &#039;61's picture

Finally, a comment with the correct focus!!! Good job, 4th. Thanks, Since '61

Since &#039;61's picture

The Packers do face questions at QB. Yes, we have Aaron Rodgers and I am beyond grateful for that. However, we need to get a legitimate backup behind Aaron. Hundley is not that guy. I don't even want Hundley for 3rd string. Chuck him and Callahan.
Let's sign a proven backup who is willing and expecting to be a backup and we should also draft a QB for 3rd string and possible future development.
Josh McGown did a nice job for the Jets in 2017 and he is an FA. I don't know how much it would take to sign him but it would be worth it to have a reliable backup for Rodgers. Plus he would probably be willing to mentor a rookie QB as well. McGown has been around the league, he's familiar with several different systems and he would probably be happy to have a shot at an SB even as a backup.
I think that Foles may be available as well but if he wins the SB with the Eagles his price will likely be too high.
Tolzien, Hundley, Callahan have all proven to be pre-season wonders. Taysom Hill will probably prove to be the same in time.
The Packers need to get serious about Rodger's backup. Thanks, Since '61

Coldworld's picture

With a QB of Rogers age and ability, injuries should be expected. To not have a good back up is to risk losing more games than than necessary.

The only objective here I’d to win super bowls. Lost games mean that can’t happen or cede home field. Get a good backup from this point in Rodgers Career. That position is no longer close to the largely irrelevant one it was ten years ago.

Get rid of Hundley. He is not that player. This is the time where one has to be ruthless and right in roster assessments. Ask B.B. if he allows sentiments to interfere.

stockholder's picture

If we didn't hire a new DC. Mason Rudolph @14. Instead, DT /DB are tops. I STILL DOUBT DE.

Amy Berk's picture

First time post. . . Huntley is rated as the worst QB in the league. However, what do we get as a trade?
A water boy ? Seriously, I live in Denver and get to hear how terrible Lynch was daily. after watching both players play, even Lynch was better than Hundley.

They say this year is a QB draft. GB could take a QB in a lower round while picking up other players they need now.

Fun to read others post and learn more about the positions.

Coldworld's picture

Welcome and thanks for the perspective

billybobton's picture

Amy, BH earned his ranking

Going back to pre season when tv talking heads for other teams were actually laughing at him during broadcasts and laughing at packer reporters for the "GUNNA TRADE HIM" nonsense.

In particular the denver tv crew ripped BH up one side and down the other

and they were correct and only GB fans and reporters who kissed the ring for access did not see it

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