Another Loss for the Green Bay Packers, Another Step Closer to Marvin Harrison Jr.

The Packers have to surround Jordan Love with as much talent as possible, which includes a WR1, in order for him to reach his full potential. Marvin Harrison Jr. fits that bill. 

Through their first seven games of the 2023 NFL season, there is no hope for the Green Bay Packers. The offense is disjointed and without a clear identity. They are also allergic to scoring touchdowns in the first half as they have yet to do so since Week 2 against the Atlanta Falcons. The defense hasn’t played as badly as the offense in certain spots, but they still continue to employ soft zone coverage, a mechanism that is best used in tandem with a pass rush that can get home. The problem is that outside of Rashan Gary, the Packers’ pass rush is practically non-existent, and at best, it is inconsistent. Point blank, watching Green Bay play football, particularly on the offensive side of the ball, is the equivalent of getting a root canal while the sounds of nails on a chalkboard blast your ear drums. The Packers dropped to 2-5 after the 24-10 loss to the Minnesota Vikings, which leaves them one game back at this point in the season from securing the first overall selection in the 2024 NFL Draft. 

The franchise has only made one selection in the top five of the NFL Draft this century when they drafted linebacker AJ Hawk with the fifth overall selection in the 2006 NFL Draft, and they have not had a draft pick in the first three picks since 1989. They selected tackle Tony Mandarich with the second overall pick that year (whoops!). And if you are wondering the last time that Green Bay owned the first overall selection, you are in luck – 1959 (Iowa QB Randy Duncan). 

I did not think I would be discussing the 2024 NFL Draft after Week 8 nor did I think I would be discussing the Packers’ chances at landing one of the top-tier players in that draft, but life is full of surprises. 

If the Packers have a top-three pick, they would have their choice between USC quarterback Caleb Williams, North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye, and Ohio State wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. Florida State edge rusher Jared Verse could also be in the mix, but Williams, Maye, and Harrison, Jr. are the top-three consensus players. My choice? Harrison Jr., or Maserati Marvin as FOX college football play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson relentlessly called him two weeks ago when the Buckeyes faced off against Penn State. It was for good reason, though. 

Harrison Jr. racked up 11 receptions for 162 yards and one touchdown that Saturday afternoon against a top-ten defense and potential first-round cornerback Kalen King. He followed up that performance with another beauty against Wisconsin, finishing with six receptions for 123 yards and two touchdowns. His second touchdown catch was about as contested as it could have been, but Harrison Jr. showed his hands at just the last second and was able to get one foot in. The Philadelphia native has 48 catches for 889 yards and eight scores so far this season and has eclipsed at least 100 receiving yards in every single game this season except for two. (Harrison Jr. was sidelined for portions of those two games.) He finished his sophomore campaign with 77 receptions, 1,263 yards, and 14 touchdowns. 

In his 2024 NFL Draft Big Board that debuted at the start of the college football season, Dane Brugler of The Athletic tabbed Harrison Jr. as his No. 2 overall prospect, writing that he “is a prospect without any holes. In full control of his 6-foot-3 frame at all times, he has an awesome ability to make just about every route on the tree look easy. He can win at the line of scrimmage, at the top of a route, at the catch point and everywhere in between.” 

Based on an ESPN feature by Pete Thamel, the younger Harrison appears to have the work ethic, discipline, and humility needed to excel in the NFL. Remember, it is not just the physical makeup and attributes that lead to success at the next level — don’t get me wrong, Harrison Jr. certainly has both of those — but it is the mental makeup that is the differentiating factor and separates average players from above-average players, separates above-average players from good players, separates good players from great players, so on and so forth. 

My lean toward Harrison Jr. for the Packers is not necessarily meant as a knock on Williams or Maye. They may turn out to be very good starting quarterbacks in the NFL. This has more to do with the facts that (a) I am not willing to give up on Jordan Love after what will be only one full year as a starter; (b) general manager Brian Gutekunst is also likely not willing to give up on Love; and (c) in order to give Love the best chance to succeed, it is imperative to surround him with top-end talent at the wide receiver position (read: a WR1). The Packers currently lack that talent on the roster. 

There are several examples of young quarterbacks struggling early on in their careers, only to turn it around once they receive talent around them. 

Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, who started nine games in his 2020 rookie season, had DeVante Parker as his WR1 during that first year, prompting the organization to draft wide receiver Jaylen Waddle with sixth overall selection in the 2021 NFL Draft. Waddle rewarded that effort with a 1,015-yard season to go along with six touchdowns in his rookie campaign. They traded for wide receiver Tyreek Hill the following offseason. They have formed one of the best receiving duos in the league. 

Ahead of quarterback Jalen Hurts’ first full season as QB1, the Philadelphia Eagles drafted wide receiver Devonta Smith with their first-round selection in the 2021 NFL Draft to give Hurts a legitimate outside threat and traded for wide receiver AJ Brown, a true WR1 and one of the best receivers in the game, in 2022. As is the case in Miami, they have formed one of the best receiving duos in the league. The Cincinnati Bengals drafted wide receiver Tee Higgins in the same draft as quarterback Joe Burrow and drafted wide receiver Jamar Chase with the No. 5 pick in the subsequent draft. Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen appeared to be a bust through his first two seasons, so the front office went out and traded for Stefon Diggs, who accumulated 1,500-plus receiving yards and eight touchdowns in his first season in Buffalo. He has yet to register less than 1,200 receiving yards in a season since teaming up with Allen and is on pace to continue that trend. 

It should not be a surprise that all of the aforementioned quarterbacks are now four of the best at the position. 

Adding Harrison Jr. may not yield the same result for Love as it did for Tua, Hurts, Burrow, and Allen, but you have to take a swing to ensure that Love has as much talent around him on the offensive side of the ball to reach his full potential. Harrison Jr. has the potential to be a true WR1 and would pair nicely with wide receivers Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs, two players who have not proven at this point in their careers they are WR1 caliber but are still quality receivers nevertheless. 

Further, Gutekunst went all in on Love as the quarterback of the future, and I don’t think he will admit a mistake, if it was one, and instead will double down on the proposition that Love is the quarterback of the future. At the very least, I believe he will want to see one more full season of Love in action. Keep in mind, too, that the Packers picked up Love’s fifth-year option, in a modified way, so it is likely they wanted this to be a two-year experiment to begin with to determine whether Love is the guy or not. Drafting the son of a Pro Football Hall of Fame wide receiver, if given the choice, rather than a quarterback, falls in line with the aforementioned points. 

Of course, Green Bay may not even have such a choice and could be left with, say, the seventh overall selection, but a man can dream. 

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Rex is a lifelong Packers fan but was sick of the cold, so he moved to the heart of Cowboys country. Follow him on Twitter (@Sheild92) and Instagram (@rex.sheild). 

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Via.Lombardi's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:02 pm

Agreed. The Packers must surround Love with as much talent as possible. But, it won't be Marvin Harrison, Jr. Packers need to surround Love with O-Line talent not another WR. Plus, the Packers will not spend a R1 pick on a WR when the glaring problems are on the O-Line.

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dblbogey's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:09 pm

I agree that we need at least 3 OL, but no way I'd pass on Harrison Jr. if we had the chance.

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Minniman's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:00 pm

Take a look at the recent crop of OSU WR's to hit the NFL - they come out of that place "pro-ready" and "as advertised", so if he is available, and doesn't get injured between now and then, then he's certainly on the list.

I remember a twitter quote [that great source of wisdom!!!!] from a couple years ago when Myles Garrett was drafted #1 - " don't overthink this Browns, select Garrett and concentrate harder on evaluating your second pick".

Regarding OL - technically Bakh is still on the team in 2024 (at his $40M cap hit [$19M dead) - restructuring him on a 2-3 year deal (providing he's still healthy) buys some time.

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jvole's picture

October 31, 2023 at 05:35 am

I've thought that Gute fancies himself as a 'outside-the-box' thinker and will do his own thing at crunch time. So look for him drafting someone that no one thought as a top 5 pick if it comes to that.

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Minniman's picture

October 31, 2023 at 01:52 pm

He does, and I would argue, still is...... that kid is lighting it up though...... Best Available Player all the way if he's there for GB.

People seem to have forgotten that the Love selection was a response to being thwarted the pick before by the 49ers (who traded with Minnesota to go ahead of GB and select WR Brandon Aiyuk...... whom Gute reportedly had in his sights [until the 49ers got wind of this]).

They've also forgotten the play to sign Allan Robinson (when he was a FA a couple of years ago - he went to the bears) and the extra money that was [reportedly] offered to Davante Adams to stay in GB............... I still would really like to know the reason why DA17 didn't stay......... did he privately think that Love wouldn't pan out (so didn't want to waste the rest of his career with a bad QB?????????)

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Racingdad's picture

October 31, 2023 at 08:40 am

I agree gb should never pass on mhj if availbe All we have to do is lose the next 10 games and we pick 1st and 33rd than around 50( depends on what jets do) than again around 65 Saying all that we should be able to get olineman that can make a difference with those picks or heck trade some of them for another first if needed. But my biggest fear is if gb does not change coaching they will just ruin any picks with this hapless staff !!!

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splitpea1's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:12 pm

It didn't take long to find the right response. This offense isn't going to amount to much until the line is rebuilt. If we end up with a top three pick and we're not taking a QB, then we need to trade down to make sure we land reasonably polished prospects with the best combination of technique and power so we can not only protect the QB, but run the ball when we need to. Wouldn't it be nice to convert third-and-short or goal-to-go the old-fashioned way at least some of the time? Or give our receivers a little more room to work with?

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Guam's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:09 pm

Concur Splitpea1. Harrison improves the passing game. A good O-line improves both the passing game and the rushing game. I vote for at OT at #1 and an IOL with a #2. The Packers need both.

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Cheezehead72's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:25 pm

Oh no, we suck again! In a Cajon accent.

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stockholder's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:33 pm

1. Drafting Harrison would make TOO much sense,
2. If I'm Harrison I don't want to play with Love.
3. And paying for a washed up WR is Dumb!.
Because thats the only veteran that would come here.
4. The cost of getting back into the first rd. would be a 1 and 3.
But the franchise Tackle would be gone.
So do you want a Mandrich, Spriggs or Bargain.

Regardless- nice try, but we may have to draft a Qb.

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:40 pm

Here's the question for me: when given the blocking he needs, what is Love's downfield accuracy? Does PFF track that? If he has no long game, why waste a R1 pick on a WR: we should upgrade the QB room with a high pick. Give the new QB a year to season, and if Love still falters, move on.

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Coldworld's picture

October 30, 2023 at 07:16 pm

Adjusted (for drops) his completion rate per PFF for Sunday was 70.0%.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 30, 2023 at 10:48 pm

If they flop far enough in the Win columns, then he may come into play. He is taller and stronger now and a guy who can change the direction of the Big Mo when it's crunch time. You saw A.J. Brown make the Big Play to Win it.
The caveat remains the same: you cannot let Gutey be anywhere near the Packer Draft Room. Maybe he wouldn't be enthusiastic about playing with the inconsistent Love who needs a fast-paced offense. In any case, I would want to move up into the First Rd and control two high picks. One of the two will be an OT which I wanted in 2021-23. All of the picks should go to the Offense. Ford is playing well, keep him onboard. Owens at least lays the accelerated Pad Level on the WRs. I would also keep P.Smith. Where's your LT? Van Ness.

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Racingdad's picture

October 31, 2023 at 08:43 am

Why draft a qb ? Without oline help he’ll be ruined also

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Tingham's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:34 pm

Actually watching the Packers offense is like getting a root canal and colonoscopy simultaneously while the 1-800 Kars for Kids song is played on a loop on your headphones.

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Fubared's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:42 pm

I apologize if I contradict you but being in Disneyland circa 1960'2 with two small children, your mother on the "its a small world after all ride" and hearing that song over and over and over and over........ I was the one who wanted to throw up at the end.
To this day none of us can stand ever hearing that song again. Makes me want to have a bat in my hand and a dwarf near by.....

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SweetPotatoGB's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:45 pm

Hey, I don’t have any problems with this proposal. Even if they move on from Jordan Love it would be nice to have a really good WR1 for whoever takes his place. I think this year has shown us all across the league what happens when a team doesn’t have the right skill players to reliably play consistent NFL caliber football. At any rate, this scenario shouldn’t hurt the Packers offensively in any way. I’ll be carrying the G no matter what.

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Fubared's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:48 pm

I think you missed to boat on Love. Going out and getting a good receiver you cant get the ball to because your arm sucks and you cant read a defense fast enough wont make him a better QB.
Fisrt. He played three seasons on college ball so like no receivers there were any good for him to improve and hone his skills. You havent looked at his stats or you would know thats not the issue.

Love was a so so 4th round pick as a back up at best or more then likely not drafted at all. He showed nothing and did nothing in college but toss picks and throw 8 yard passes because he couldnt read a d.

We have receivers. We dont need any more, they however need someone who can delvier the ball

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Packerpasty's picture

October 30, 2023 at 05:04 pm

everything you stated is truth, especially about his college years..I dont get why people cant go and check it out...he led ncaa's in int's one year...he never was accurate and now 3 years of learning behind an HOF QB and NFL coaching still hasn't changed anything about him...he will have a nice easy career holding a clipboard for a few years and make lots of money...nice kid but Gute really reached with this pick..."buyer beware" scouts said about picking Love in the upper rounds of the draft...

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T7Steve's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:56 pm

This makes me feel a cold draft down my neck.

Taking a swing in week 8.

Might have to have a cold draft.

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stormin's picture

October 30, 2023 at 12:57 pm

One step closer to drafting one of the best QB's coming out, it will be a race between us and the Vqueens on who gets the better of it !

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packer132's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:03 pm

I usually don't think about the next year's draft until the season is over. Since Rex brought it up, I am looking and there are 4 OT's that could go in the top 10 picks. That's where GB should look for their 1st round pick. Forget about a WR, as the line is more important. I thought they did a good job of stockpiling offensive linemen with 9 drafted in 20, 21, and 22 but only Tom and Runyan look to be quality starters. Jenkins came in 2019 as a center and is their best lineman. It seems like the later line picks are just for depth, as they rarely turn into great players. Guyton (Oklahoma), Fashanu (Penn State), or Mims (Georgia) would be a much-needed strength for Green Bay.

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ko40489's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:27 pm

It doesn't matter who they draft if the coaching staff remains intact. The team seems unprepared and mentally unengaged. There's too many penalties, too many missed assignments and too little football smarts. In a word, this team is soft. That's a reflection of/on the coaching staff. The offense is disjointed and stale. The defense has always played soft under Barry. They all seem clueless what to do about it. The post game mantra from both the coaches and the players is starting to sound like a broken record--"we need to be better." How brilliant and insightful. High draft picks aren't going to change any of that.

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GaryC's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:36 pm

Totally agree. This coaching staff would be detrimental to any young players career - particularly on the offense.

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HawkPacker's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:36 pm

Totally agree ko.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 30, 2023 at 10:48 pm

Exactly

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NJ-RICK's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:30 pm

When the time comes to draft next year I don't want present Packer MGT making the selection. This group of mgt people have been making draft selections for the past 5 years and here is your result. A AAA Football team. Time to clean house in the front office... AR12 and D Adams saw this coming years ago. Fire MGT... It all starts at the top.

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HawkPacker's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:35 pm

Here are my thoughts.

It looks to me like we will be getting a very high pick for the first time in a long time.

I know we have needs on the DL, Safety, etc. However, when you get a pick as high as I believe we will get this next draft a couple of things come to mind.

The first decision we need to make is: Is Love the answer at QB for now and the future? If so, that makes it somewhat easier in deciding who we should draft with your first pick. If not, then we need to pick on of the top two QB's if it is felt that they are the undisputed answer to our QB questions for the future.

I know that there are many who think we need to get one of the top OT's available and they could be right. However, if we are going to be a championship calibar team in a few years then we need to select a 'can't miss' stud player as our first pick. Even if we are somewhat strong at that position on our current team, we need a difference maker. From what I have heard, Harrison is that player and if so, let's go get him. Look, we aren't going anywhere next year either so we need to position ourselves for 2025 and beyond.

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Packers0808's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:38 pm

Can anyone honestly saw from what they remember of preseason that Clifford actually looked worse than Love even back then. Time to see what Clifford can do on the NFL level. Why did they keep him if not good enough and not bring in a vet? Noe of any reasoning washes for that move, unless of course they think Clifford is more than able! If I remember right Clifford has a good arm, is more accurate and makes decisions much quicker than Love. Love looks both lost and frightened out there.

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coolhand's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:38 pm

I thought Clifford had some Favre in him but was that just to impress in TC? He set all kinds of records at Penn State so I would like to see him play but I think there is no way the flower puts him in unless Love gets hurt

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Packers0808's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Sad as it is you are most likely correct. Don't want to see anyone hurt ever, but this is the only way, that Gute or anyone else involved with the Love Fiasco will ALLOW to happen or LaFluer would probably be fired!

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Packerpasty's picture

October 30, 2023 at 05:06 pm

Clifford wasn't much in college, as much as I think Love is not the answer at QB, Clifford isn't either...wish he would get the chance to show what he has though...

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jboss's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:45 pm

Only in the NFL is losing winning.
I, for one, had no grandiose hopes for many packer victories this season. I am looking at a top 10 pick as a best case scenario. As a result, I am really enjoying the season.
PACK falls behind in the first half as the young and salary starved offense tries to get their legs under them. The score remains close enough to keep things interesting until the 4th quarter when the young kids come to life as the old overpaid guys on the other side get tired. In the end, the kids lose, but I find joy in looking at the league records and see that only 2 teams have fewer losses than my PACK!

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davekenya's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:51 pm

Undoubtedly, this topic will be mulled over ad nauseam once the season's (officially) over and we'll know GB's draft position.

We know receivers in GB's system take a few years to prove whether they've got it or not -- we're not there yet to know if Watson, Doubs, any others slot as legit WR1 or WR2s. So a case can be made for 'wait them out; draft elsewhere.'

In the last 20 years, it seems overall GB has done a very good job developing mid-round OL picks into very solid starters and more. That seems to have shifted in the last few years as Steno left as OL position coach. I'd like GB to spend a lot of time picking his brain as to what made his magic work on the O-line as his resume there is excellent. (https://www.packers.com/team/coaches-roster/adam-stenavich). In a way this would allow GB to not feel a need to use a #1 pick on an OL -- an area of obvious need. I get GB needed to promote Steno to not lose him, but we know where he's worked his magic. I would hate to see him booted in the off-season b/c the offense did not produce and he was O-Coordinator. Barry can go; not Steno.

If I had to choose one position or the other, I'd break with Vic's 'dime a dozen' philosophy and take Harrison as he could be very special. A guy who could possibly change the way defenses align -- elevating the running game, making the O-line and QB look better.

I didn't watch the Vikes games so don't know how Love did. But I read recently that he (has to) throw into the tightest windows in the league (as his receivers have least separation). Will that change as they know the system better?

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Minniman's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:31 pm

Great point - a real head-scratcher to me was why, when he only changed roles [from OL to OC] - albeit a bigger role, did the line play drop so much.

You'd think that as Butkus was his assistant beforehand, that the transition would be seamless (and Stenavich would still be available to help maintain course).

Regarding Love's performance - having watched the game - I'm left wondering the following :
1) If the catches were made (there were too many critical drops - 6), and
2) there were no offensive penalties (7 offensive and 6 defensive penalties were committed)

then the outcome could have been different - I say could, as the 4th quarter red zone debacle where Dillon got stuffed twice and the same leak out left play [from last week] failed meant a turnover on downs.

This actually gives me an idea for a regular article this year - "Your homework this week is <insert player or topic here>".

Week 1: Get through a game without committing infringements (or at least, start with less than your opponent commits).

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bleedgreen's picture

October 30, 2023 at 01:57 pm

Must be drinking the same Kool Aid as FO and coaching staff. Packers need to draft the best QB they possibly can. They must not pass up Caleb Williams if available. Best WR in world wont help if QB is inaccurate or cant get him the ball consistently. Franchise QBs don't grow on trees.

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CoachJV's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:13 pm

Oline needs to be the 1st rd pick.... period.

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Starrbrite's picture

October 30, 2023 at 02:55 pm

“All seem ordinary”—-that’s sums it up very well.
Go Packers!!!

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Packer_Fan's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:00 pm

Yeah, Harrison would be a good pick.

But hey, these last three loses, the Packers had a chance to win all three games. Even against the Vikings, they had two chances inside the Viking 10 yard lines to score. We need these things to happen:

Lafleur needs to encourage Love to hit the checkdowns and dink and dunk down the field. Love is throwing down the field too much when the players are not open.

How the defense played is about the best we can expect with Barry. But the still gave the offense enough chances in the 4th quarter. Time to fire Barry and try something different. Barry will not help the team win.

Then, Lafleur needs to get his players playing better and help Love out. All these penalties, roughing, dropped passes and whiffing on blocks (time to play Nijman) and all sorts of miscues have to fixed. Lafleur is in charge of players attitudes.

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EricTorkelson's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Sorry , The Packers really never had a chance to win the last three games... in reality they could have gotten blow out even worse the last three games......

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Packerpasty's picture

October 31, 2023 at 12:51 pm

how can they dink and dunk more than they already are??

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Starrbrite's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:04 pm

Listening to Cowerd today and he apparently has been paying attention to my analysis of Love.
When you aren’t 10 for 10 on check down throws, you have a problem; Exactly what I see.
I’ve said previously, I see some Tebow in Love, i.e., can’t make an easy play of wheel route to a rb.
With the exception of Walker, I don’t see anyone playing with urgency or physicality.
But frankly, as much as I deplore Barry, most/all of these losses fall at the feet of the offense.
Go Packers!!!

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WD's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:12 pm

It is just way way too early to think about next years draft. At the end of the season we will be able to know who exactly is even in the draft. Moreover at the end of the season we will need to do a full assessment of all the players and the needs of the team. Also, we do not know where we will be drafting. If we draft in the top 5 there may be an opportunity to trade down to a team who would offer us a huge bounty for a top 5 pick including at least one first round and maybe even two and an additional player! Look at what Denver gave up for it's QB. Was it two ones and a two? So.... let's just wait and see. Additionally, Marvin Harrison is not the only receiver in the draft. It seems to me a greater priority is O-line and a dynamic playmaker at RB.This is what is needed to help Love. People forget that Aaron Rodger after sitting on the bench for years was nothing to write home about his first year starting, So, ease up on the Love bashing. That said, If at the end of the season Love has not shown enough progress we ought not rule out taking a QB with the top 5 pick. It is just way to premature at this time to speculate.

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edp1959's picture

October 30, 2023 at 07:58 pm

I suggest you go look at Rodgers stats his first season and rethink your post. He was the second QB ever to throw for over 4k yards during his first season.

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Formeryooper95's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:30 pm

Let’s get real here. Love is not the future. 1st round pick needs to be QB.

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EricTorkelson's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:32 pm

Not giving up on Jordan love ?
Someone needs to figure out , after 4 years of practice and NFL games
How or why is Jordan Loves footwork so terrible,
Why is his second and third option recognition the same ( terrible )
Why is he panic throwing into windows that are already closed
Why is he underthrowing almost all his long passes
and finally why is he not showing any trait of leadership needed at that position.

The packers must find answers to these questions before bi-passing a chance at a potential
franchise quarterback.... if that opportunity should present itself in 2024 draft

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Packerpasty's picture

October 31, 2023 at 12:53 pm

EXACTLY....what has he and the coaching staff been doing the past three years?? I think he's maxed out in potential at this point..servicable maybe..

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Matt's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:33 pm

What is the point of drafting great WR when you have crappy O-line. No matter who will be at the helm, this concept is leading nowhere. Firstly provide competent O-line, secondly weapons.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 30, 2023 at 04:06 pm

True. But also what's the point if the coaching remains. Predicated on that then Love, Harrison, and lots of OL and go from there. I would not have any reluctance with picking Harrison, with his old man, my gut is he's as sure of a #1 as possible.

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jhtobias's picture

October 30, 2023 at 03:38 pm

Why are the green bay media soft when adking lafluer questions. I understand he doesnt control talent evaluation but he does control his coaching staff. Why not ask why the defense keeps regressing under barry every yr or why the offense has regressed under stwnovich every yr?

Follow up by saying are you poor evaluator of coordinators or is the hiring out of your control ?

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Coldworld's picture

October 30, 2023 at 07:24 pm

Accreditation: the key to status and access. Integrity costs and the Packers make that known.

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Rarescope's picture

October 30, 2023 at 07:34 pm

“ Why are the green bay media soft when adking lafluer questions.”

Lol because it’s sports, it’s not like these are investigative journalists trying to pin birth defects on the local mega corp polluting the drinking water. They should have a giant asterisk on every coaches presser saying it is for entertainment purposes only. Expecting any real answers or meaningful information is simply a perception problem on the viewers part.

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TXCHEESE's picture

October 30, 2023 at 04:20 pm

I don't believe MLF has the rolodex of coaches that the head needs to have in order to assemble a quality staff. RB would probably be the better option having been in the league several more years than the younger MLF.

MLF needs to take the OC job as his own for the remainder of the year and send Steno back to coaching the OL. This offense has had no real plan when is steps on to the field in the last year and a half. Always fits and starts within the game and within both seasons. Too bad they didn't jump at the opportunity to get Hackett when he was canned last year.

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Dragon5's picture

October 30, 2023 at 05:18 pm

Trade deadline seller...AJones, PSmith etc, acquire draft capital, clean house in coaching staff...perhaps we could get a 2for1 Prime membership, father & son. Mark Murphy wants to leave a legacy, this is the solution he should be seeking. If Reggie made it to GB, so too can coach Prime. When weighing what we have in MLF & company, the thought is quite polarizing.

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stockholder's picture

October 30, 2023 at 06:06 pm

If you really want to surround Love with Talent.
You Fix the OL first. - Therefore this is my early draft.
See if you can top it Bird dog- I don't need the Combine.
Olumuyiwa FASHANU. - Penn State
Taliese Fuaga. Ot Oregon. Rd 2
Cullen Bullock S. USC Rd. 2 Jets.
Graham Barton C. Duke. Rd. 3

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 30, 2023 at 11:31 pm

Where did Jenkins getting LT money and future after Bhak end up?

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stockholder's picture

October 31, 2023 at 07:25 am

I'd trade Jenkins-
He's regressed .
It's time to draft linemen.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 31, 2023 at 12:29 pm

You'd trade a player of his calibre without figuring out what is going on? Clearly he's not fully healed.

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cheesehead1's picture

October 30, 2023 at 06:39 pm

All I heard this summer was how our OL was one of the best. Bakhtiari being out is obviously huge, but we also heard about all our depth with the draft capital we’ve invested in, so what happened? I definitely didn’t expect much this season as most people will agree. Will Love be the answer remains to be seen, but thru 7 games, to me he has been disappointing. Clearly not all his fault, but his accuracy is a big concern as it was in college from what I’ve read. Not even half way thru so time will tell. I remember Mark Murphy saying this summer that half way thru this season he’ll know if Love will be our QB going forward. I’m hoping a reporter or two will remind him of his comments and to see if it’s changed. Win or lose GPG.

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PackfanNY's picture

October 30, 2023 at 07:00 pm

Harrison Jr!? Someone hasn’t been following the Packers modus operandi. Think LT. God forbid we get a 1st round weapon on offense.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 30, 2023 at 11:35 pm

Get both. Move up into rd one for two picks.

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BAMABADGER's picture

October 31, 2023 at 09:03 am

So many holes to fill, so few picks, it will take years to correct and won’t happen until Alfred E. Newman is gone in 2 years.

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Rudedawg67's picture

October 31, 2023 at 09:19 am

Marvin Harrison Jr could slap Gute in the face over and over again and say look at me, look at me, but won't get drafted by the Packers if it is the first round. I am sure that is some stellar defensive player we already have our eyes on. Harrison Jr should at least have the courtesy to fall to the 2nd round so we would consider him.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 31, 2023 at 11:36 am

I get the thinking here, but when has a top WR actually turned a team around? DET with Megatron and a great QB in Stafford just continued to lose despite their ability to connect and have amazing production. I just don't see WR as a premier enough position to be used that high in the draft. As Vic Ketchman used to say, "WRs are a dime a dozen." Now, I know guys like Harrison are not a dime a dozen, but the rarer players are the great linemen and pass rushers. That's who you use high picks on.

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Fubared's picture

October 31, 2023 at 12:23 pm

If you watched the Lions game last night then you saw the answer to Marvin Harrison jr idiocy before your eyes.
Great receiver wide open and the QB over throws him. Same receiver going for a first down and the QB, under throws him. That receiver is now pissed off and then some of going from being great and a record setter to being on a team going nowhere with a QB going nowhere.
No receiver can fix Love. Period. He sucked in college and some of those receivers, at least one had to be decent.
Why do pack fans think this avg QB in and avg league become something in the NFL. Love didnt cut it for Div 1 FBS for a reason. No coaches wanted him.
Give it up. Accept this was a bad pick and move the hell on to someone else.

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golfpacker1's picture

October 31, 2023 at 06:03 pm

Unless GB is picking 3rd, both of the best QB's and Harrison will be gone. Harrison will be a star in this league and if you haven't watched him give yourself a treat. The difference between him and our guy Watkins is how they catch the ball. Harrison is so fluid and catches everything while Watkins never goes and get the ball, he waits for it to get to him and thus plays like he is 6 feet tall.
If we stay at #6 we should get 1 of the top 3, can't miss OT's. That is exactly what we need this year. GB can't afford to trade up and waste picks this year, too many needs. As it stands now, we have 5 picks in the first 100. OT, Safety, RB, MLB, Edge would be a great start to rebuilding. Maybe the Wisconsin or Michigan RB's since we won't have Jones or Dillon next year. Also, middle LB is a sneaky need since Campbell will be too expensive to keep.

Harrison is very interesting though as he is a gamechanger. Just like Bijan Robinson was last year. I was in the "I would not be pissed if we took him with our 1st round pick" way of thinking last year. People on here really shot that down, but how has that worked out for the Falcons. And look what he did to us this year. I think we all thought the strongest part of the offense this year would be the running game. And it's a big reason Love has struggled so far. Who would have guessed?
Hindsight is great. If we had drafted Bijan and traded Bahk last year that would be 2 big problems solved. And got a new D Coordinator, and got Devante back, etc. etc. etc. I would be fine with Harrison this year in the first. And the best OT next. Safety with our 3rd pick.

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