A Quick Glance at Some Potential Offseason Moves

Today, I take an early glance at potential transactions that could happen in the new league year.  

With the Packers guaranteed to play three games or less in the 2019-2020 season, I wanted to take a quick. look at some potential moves that could be made going into the 2020-2021 regular season.  Gutekunst made it clear at the end of the regular season that the Packers were going to be open for business this March when they guaranteed $14.26 of Aaron Rodgers $19.5 million roster bonus for next year and moved that guaranteed money around from the end of 2019-2023.  (Thanks Russ Ball, Happy House Buying Aaron!). The move has freed up an extra $11.4 million in cap space this offseason and it is projected that another sizable portion of money will be freed up once the Packers move on from Lane Taylor and Jimmy Graham.  

The $11.4 million freed up by guaranteeing a portion of Rodgers roster bonus gives the Packers a projected $37.8 million in cap space according to Over the Cap.  The draft will cost about $10 million or so in cap space so at this point, figure the Packers have just under $28 million to spend in free agency in March.  

Here is a six pack of moves the Packers could make to maximize their offseason:

1. Key Cuts: Cuttting Lane Taylor and Jimmy Graham would free up over $12.6 million in cap space giving the Packers almost $41 million to work with in free agency.

2. Resigning Players: This is where it gets tricky because there are a lot of Packers who will be on the market this offseason.  This is my first list of Packers I would resign.

  • Kenny Clark- His cap number of $7.69 million in 2020 is reasonable so I would look to extend him by whichever way is most team friendly (possibly tacking on 5 years starting in 2021).
  • Brian Bulaga- Bulaga has earned an extension after his play over the last two years.  I would give him a 2-3 year deal for around $10-15 million.
  • Mason Crosby- With NFL kicking in the state that it is, I think it is fair to say that Mason has earned himself another 3-4 years with the Packers.  Extending him for 4 years probably would give the team the lightest 2020 cap hit.  I would be in on Mason for a 4 year deal in the area of $14-16 million with a low cap hit for 2020.  
  • Tramon Williams- I think bringing Tramon Williams back to a young secondary is always a move that will positively impact the Packers defense.  Tramon has proven that he is still a valuable member of the defense and can provide leadership in the defensive backfield.  I would bring Tramon back on another 2 year deal in the neighborhood of $6-7 million (total).  (At this point, the Packers would probably have around $30 million in cap space left)
  • Others I would bring back: (Lewis, Campbell, Goodson, Ervin, Vitale, Kumerow, Sullivan, Lancaster, Redmond, Lazard) These signings would probably give the Packers around $20 million to work with going forward.  

3. Tough Decisions:

I would probably let Blake Martinez walk unless he took a team friendly deal (5 years $30 million with a low 2020 cap hit).  Since the terms of that kind of deal probably will not work for him, I would send him on his way and look to upgrade the ILB position in both the draft as well as free agency.

4. The draft:

In addition to drafting as much depth as is humanly possible at key positions on the roster, the Packers have to draft a wide receiver and an inside linebacker with their premium picks (rounds 1-3).  

5. Under the radar signings:

I think the key to seeing improvements in the offense in year 2 of LaFleur's system is to get Rodgers a couple veteran skill players that he trusts.  These types of players can be more of role players inside the offense but they have to have solid chemistry with 12.  

Players to look for: Randall Cobb and Jared Cook.  Cobb is an unrestricted free agent who is coming off of a bounce back season having 55 catches for 828 yards and 3 touchdowns and Cook has a $2 million roster bonus due early in the league year and a 2020 cap hit of $9 million (he could be a candidate to be released).  If the deal was right, I would look to spend $8-10 million in cap space on these two heading into 2020.  

6. Making a Splash:

This initial blue print has left the Packers with about $10-12 million to spend on a big time free agent.  The wizardry of Russ Ball's cap magic should allow the Packers to sign a premium free agent with a cap hit of $9-11 million in 2020 by the way he allocates signing bonuses and roster bonuses throughout the life of the contract.  (This would also give the team an emergency $1-3 million in reserve). 

Here are some players to consider: (* top priorities)

1. *Cory Littleton ILB Rams

2. *Emmanuel Sanders WR San Francisco

3. Robbie Anderson WR Jets

4. AJ Green WR Bengals (incentive driven)

5. *Arik Armstead DE San Francisco

6. Austin Hooper TE Atlanta

Sound Off:

As always, I want to hear your top moves for the 2020 offseason.  Which players should stay, which players should go, and who, if anyone should the Packers target in free agency?  

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David Michalski is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @kilbas27dave 

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Pack88's picture

January 04, 2020 at 12:41 pm

I have fantasized about Littlejohn form the Rams and a speed WR all season. Cook and Cobb would be great but I would much prefer Cook and Robby Anderson. This team desperately needs some deep speed and Robby Anderson would help greatly. J Cook could work but it is sometimes hard to come back!

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 04, 2020 at 02:06 pm

Cannot see the Rams letting Littlejohn move away from them. Cook doesn't block. Sanders will be lucky to get through the playoffs w/out injury. I would sign up KC, Crosby, Fackerell on a fair deal and offer to Bulaga on a three-year deal. If he wants more cash he can be replaced with an OT from a very deep draft class. The priority is a WR with speed and returner's skills, two ILBs, another road grader guard, OT and CB.

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:22 pm

I’d rather retain our current returner than seek a wide receiver who can return. If we seek to strengthen our WR corps, as I agree we must, let’s focus solely on offensive ability.

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PatrickGB's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:48 pm

I don’t want to lose Martinez. Is he great? No. Is he good? Yes. Is there anyone that can duplicate his performance? Maybe. The point is there is too much uncertainty in trying to replace a savvy young player. I think the packers can afford him and cannot afford the uncertainty of trying to replace him.

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SereneCaptain's picture

January 04, 2020 at 12:47 pm

Sorry to be that guy, but small editing note: It should be "Re-signing" not "Resigning"

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Philarod's picture

January 04, 2020 at 06:12 pm

Although per Jimmy Graham, I hope he resigns (no hyphen)!

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murf7777's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:34 am

For comparisons sake, I thought I'd share Joe Shobert, Blake Martinez and Luke Kuechly. The following are their last three year stats. All three started most every game.
Joe S. Luke K. Blake M.
40Yd 4.76 4.58 4.71
Tackles 380 399 441
Sack 8 3.5 9
TFL 14 31 25
QHits 16 15 11
AV 25 40 27
FF 7 3 2
FR 3 4 2
PD 19 24 13
INT 6 6 2

I found the comparison interesting. Since I believe Luke is tied up in contract we probably aren't going after Luke, but a lot of us on this board are comparing Joe and Blake because both are FA's with very good track records. Joe seems to make more splash plays, sans TFL's (probably due to Blake playing more towards the LOS). What really shows out is that Joe makes a lot more plays in the passing game. 19-13 PD and 6-2 INT respectively. I haven't watched a lot of Joe's play so don't have an eye test to form an opinion. But, based on stats, and the importance of stopping the pass in the NFL, I think going after Joe over Blake is the way to go. Even paying a couple more million per year would make sense IMO.

Of course you have to weigh whether you can get Joe, but I would take the risk of losing Blake if need be.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2020 at 04:04 am

I was thinking Schobert too but those look at THIS year when looking at Schobert. Most of those "Splash Play" stats came in a 2 game span IIRC... 4 INT over a 2 game span this year against Miami and another team that isn't very good.

Might mean nothing but it is something. I didn't really take a hard look but I suppose I should. Nice breakdown.

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stockholder's picture

January 04, 2020 at 01:04 pm

I don't believe you can get a starter. ( at any defensive position this draft. ) He'll have to trade up. The ILBs are to slow, or to small to hold up. The value would be later. And they will need time. Bulaga and Martinez are average. If either get more then 2 yrs @10 mil.a yr. It will kill any future signings. Gute still should target the best in FA. Keep adding players under 30.

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Packers2020's picture

January 04, 2020 at 02:59 pm

Stock,

I agree with you on Martinez but I think Bulaga has a few more years left in him. He is an above average RT. If we sign him to a team friendly deal, then I say go for it. Good tackles are hard to find. I think Bulaga may go for a friendly deal to stay in GB for his final years. Draft a RT this year in the draft. I agree on the draft and ILB's. Not sure it is a strong draft this year for that.

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ricky's picture

January 04, 2020 at 01:49 pm

Jared Cook will be 33 when next season rolls around. He'd be the next Graham. I'd much rather go with a younger player. Indy is disillusioned with Eric Ebron. Two seasons ago, he was a monster. Now he wants out, and they're ready to part ways with him. A risk/reward situation, but the guy is young and talented. Why return to older players that didn't work out, rather than trying with newer players? Worked well this year, and could again.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 04, 2020 at 02:08 pm

Agree. With Tonyan/Sternberger, GB can't afford to spend big on TE in free agency. If you can get ebron on the cheap then that's more than enough depth. Use that money at ILB or WR

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 04, 2020 at 02:09 pm

Go with the draft again for TE. Sternberger should step up next season. Joe Shobert is a free agent , I believe.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 01:01 pm

That could happen JB, but we’re gonna be at the end of the round.

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CAG123's picture

January 04, 2020 at 02:26 pm

You know if the Packers want to keep that vet presence but a get a tad bit younger Sam Shields is available and he's had three concussion free years with two being away from football altogether so less wear and tear.

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Qoojo's picture

January 04, 2020 at 02:37 pm

If Packers moved on from Shields due to concussion risk and the risk to his future health, I don't think time has reduced the risk. If anything, it just means he got lucky.

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CAG123's picture

January 04, 2020 at 03:31 pm

Isnt that part of staying healthy anyway? MLF just said that a couple days ago when asked about the health of his team.

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Qoojo's picture

January 04, 2020 at 06:18 pm

Not sure what's hard to understand that if the packers did not sign him due to long term health concerns, 3 years isn't going to change that.

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:02 am

If the getting younger means a swap of Williams for Shields, I will decline irrespective of injury issues. Williams brought versatility that Shields doesn’t have.

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Turophile's picture

January 04, 2020 at 03:00 pm

Quote by DM "In addition to drafting as much depth as is humanly possible at key positions on the roster, the Packers have to draft a wide receiver and an inside linebacker with their premium picks (rounds 1-3). "

The best value at ILB seems to be in round four. Before that point in the draft it is thin pickings (even thinner since Dylan Moses said he is going back to college). Round 4 might have as many as eight prospects worth a 4th pick. Instead I'd look at DL and WR in the first two rounds. Round three could be yet another CB (Josh Jackson hasn't worked out, Tony Brown has been waived and Tramon Williams will be 37), not my favourite position with so much having been invested on DBs in the last half-decade, but it does make some sense.

Not everyone sees DL as a priority, but Lowry is pretty average and Montravius Adams has not made the necessary jump. It wouldn't hurt to go forward with Clark, Keke, Lowry (for now) and a high draft pick. The problem with drafting DL this year is that it is not like 2019. In 2020 there might be just two options or less for them in round 1, maybe as many as three in round 2.

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Qoojo's picture

January 04, 2020 at 03:22 pm

As far as I am concerned, if you can draft a good DL, you take that over everything but possibly QB/OL. As the saying goes, game is won in the trenches.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:30 pm

Ron Wolf said never pass up a franchise QB, and we’ve done that two years in a row.

Our entire defensive line could be brought back....Clark, Lowry, Lancaster, Keke, Brown, etc. we won’t keep more than 6 on the 53, and only 5 gameday active.

If we’re going to continue to put all of our eggs in the Rodgers basket, protecting him is paramount and IMO, that probably means re signing Bulaga or drafting an OL or both. And our running game would benefit from the blocking, too. So if we could get a good swing tackle at the end of the first, I’m with that.

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stockholder's picture

January 04, 2020 at 03:58 pm

Who do you want at DL.? Wilson is returning to school. I'd rather have a FA.now. Agree with the ILBs. But how many ILBs start, when taken in the 4th. Your best bet is a thumper type. Like Desmond Bishop.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 03:21 pm

Lowry is so average that we signed him to a big extension. Is Gute an idiot?

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AgrippaLII's picture

January 04, 2020 at 03:03 pm

I think it would be a big mistake to let Martinez walk. He's going to be one of the top free agent ILB's. Who are you going to replace him with? A rookie from a very weak ILB draft class? Someone already on the roster? I don't think so. The only option I see is to trade for one and I don't like that either. Adding by subtraction isn't going to make the defense better.You don't replace Martinez you find another ILB who will compliment Martinez's skill set. The defense is going to take a big hit without him!

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CAG123's picture

January 04, 2020 at 03:41 pm

Is it though? You can always find a thumper ILB they're usually considered throwbacks anyway Martinez's problem his overall lack of splash plays he's literally a slightly better AJ Hawk and the def didn't fall off a cliff when he left now you can argue better dline play (besides KC) would make things better for Blake but Wagner still gets it done and you can't name a single elite dlinemen he plays with. If you need another coverage LB and better dlinemen in front of you to be great then you're probably not the guy and can be replaced.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 04, 2020 at 04:54 pm

He's not asked to make splash plays in the defense. He's there to make sure short runs don't turn into long runs and do an occasional blitz. He does exactly what Pettine asks and he does it well.

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CAG123's picture

January 04, 2020 at 07:37 pm

In your defense of him you pretty much confirmed he’s replaceable if that’s the case you can get any LB to do that. There isn’t a single def coordinator that wants a MLB to do the bare minimum and nothing else so if the Packers covet versatility so much Blake seems to be on the out. You can find plenty of LB to tackle and occasionally blitz.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:36 pm

Blake Martinez has allowed 61 completions .....almost 4 per game....for about 9 yards each. One TD. On the other side of the ledger, he never misses games, makes a lot of tackles, and is The Stanford smart QB of one of The leagues best young defenses.

Yeah, he’s easily replaceable.......sheeesh.

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Houndog's picture

January 05, 2020 at 07:51 am

Oh Really?
"He does exactly what Pettine asks and he does it well".
That must have been the day my car broke down, I missed the meeting when Pettine outlined in detail what he wanted from Martinez.

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Bure9620's picture

January 04, 2020 at 07:12 pm

He cannot cover.....at all, get a downhill tackler, he is VERY replaceable.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 06:47 am

Martinez is a 2 down LB player that is filling a 3-down LB role. IMO, he MUST be replaced on obvious passing downs. He's a liability in pass defense.

If they can pay and use him like a replaceable 2-down LB, I don't mind keeping him. IMO, the AJ Hawk comparison is spot-on. He's assignment sure and reliable. You can work with that. But you don't pay top dollar and you look to get more, if you can.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 04, 2020 at 05:59 pm

Agrippa, I thought I was the only one who thought this way

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CAG123's picture

January 04, 2020 at 07:50 pm

You’re also the guy that thought Nick Perry, Clay, and Fackrell were good enough and the Packers didn’t need the Smiths soooo yeah and I’m pretty sure you advocated for them to retain Brice as well you don’t seem to like change Leatherhead

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 01:00 pm

No.

I think we got more sacks in2018 than 2019. Because it’s a fact. This is when you start spluttering about hits and pressures without remembering how badly we got boned by the officials early in the season for hits.

I’ve thought Matthews was overpaid and overhyped for years. I thought it made more sense to pay Perry $3 million to play for us than $9 million not too. I thought Brice was probably as good as Campbell or Sullivan.

Change is fine, as long there’s a reason and a plan. During the Long Dry Spell of 1972-1992 we had lots of change. You might not remember that, but I sure do.

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CAG123's picture

January 05, 2020 at 01:10 pm

Its not like Clay, Perry and Fackrell were getting pressure anyway look at the Panthers accumulated all those sacks and still had one of the worst def in the league sounds familiar right? The Packers were getting sacks on blitzes and couldn't generate any pressure without the blitz QBs could just sit back and pick them apart.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 02:01 pm

Yeah, adding Amos and Savage and having King healthy all year didn’t help at all.

In 2018, with a very porous secondary, we got more sacks than we did this year with much better coverage. Fact, not opinion.

We actually had decent pressure in 2018....8th in sacks, I think. But we couldn’t cover long enough for it to reach home. Now we can.

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CAG123's picture

January 05, 2020 at 04:06 pm

Interesting you say that considering the Packers were 12th against the pass last year as opposed to 17th this year and we can attribute that 17th ranking to the season ending schedule they spent most of the season in the twenties.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 05:42 pm

12th against the pass by what measure?

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CAG123's picture

January 06, 2020 at 03:10 am

Go to NFL.com, click team stats, switch the year to 2018 and you’ll see them ranked 12th against the pass.

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:07 am

I agree. Unless one can trap lightning in a bottle as we did with the Smiths’ signings, letting a competent player leave for a potentially better one requires some level of confidence in one’s existing depth. At this point, I see no basis for that. For that reason we should try to add talent alongside Martinez, not hope for a developmental miracle.

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Lphill's picture

January 04, 2020 at 05:03 pm

I would not go after Cook , Sternberger and a draft pick will do, I would not bring back Kumerow and T Williams let Amos mentor the younger guys, Blake Martinez is a head scratcher if he is looking for a payday then he will find it teams like the Jets and Redskins like to overpay , look at the deal Landon Collins got.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 04, 2020 at 05:58 pm

You are going to get a smart, experienced, ILB who never misses games in the draft. Good luck with that

We finally have a defense; we should try to hold it together and add to it. Creating holes because we Think somebody might be better isn’t the way to do this.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 07:04 am

Dumping Martinez does not create much of a hole. He's average vs run and a liability vs pass. He is smart and experienced. He's got a decent feel for blitzing. That's not nothing. But it is not a lot, either.

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murf7777's picture

January 05, 2020 at 07:13 am

Hank, I find it hard to believe he is average against the run. Is this your subjective view or do you have concrete evidence to support your comment? By looking at the numbers of tackles it would suggest above average.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 07:49 am

Of course it is my subjective view. Even if there was an agreed upon definition of "average" there would need to be an agreed upon standard for "concrete evidence". Neither exist.

For example, you're impressed by the number of tackles he makes. I'm not. Both are subjective opinions. Mine takes into account that they were 23rd in run defense. That's pretty bad. I don't hold Martinez 100% accountable for that. But it does cap his value in my view.

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murf7777's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:46 am

Concrete evidence was the wrong terminology to use. What I meant to say is stats don't tell everything but they do point you in a direction. Do you have stats or other reasoning to form your opinion that he is "average". I still think he is above average ILB and will be paid like one.

That being said, after reading more from our board about Blake and not signing him might be the right move I decided to do an analysis of Joe Shobert, Luke K and Blake M. I'm moving to the side of going after Joe. Take a look at the analysis above.

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PeteK's picture

January 05, 2020 at 10:18 am

All of Schobert's INTs and PDs this year came in two games vs Miami & Pitt. I'll keep Martinez

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Renllaw's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:31 am

Every week the broadcasters point out that the pack is vulnerable in the middle of the field and against the run. And every week I watch Blake steadily execute his assignments and get 10-15 tackles.... the BUT is coming..... he doesn't pass the eyeball test. Running backs hit HIM, he does not hit the running back. He doesn't force fumbles. He doesn't make his plays at the line of scrimmage, it is regularly after 3 yards have already been gained. More often than not the RB then also drives Blake back for additional 2 to 3 yards after contact. when I watch him I see average. Only when I look at the box score am I at all impressed, and its really more surprised than impressed. Blake is an assignment sure average linebacker. I think those of us that want to replace him believe this defense needs better to improve from being really really good, to elite. And hey we are fans, we can all dream for bigger and better while we let Gute and Ball figure out how to pay for it. ;)

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PeteK's picture

January 05, 2020 at 10:30 am

All true, but some of that is the fault of the D line. You left out his durability.

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Bure9620's picture

January 04, 2020 at 06:16 pm

Not huge on this likely FA class, Robby Anderson would be somewhat intriguing but would likely have to overpay for him. No Thanks

Sign Bulaga to a 2 year deal with an out after year 1. Sign Crosby to a 3 year deal. Lewis one year deal.

Let Martinez walk, he is replaceable. Yes, he is replaceable. Let G-Mo walk. Let Tramon walk, the young guys are ready to step up.

If Fackrell is open to a team friendly deal, bring him back, otherwise no. He brings coverage ability also.

Release Jimmy and Lane Taylor

Packers draft WR, off ball LB or OT, maybe even an RB on day 3. Dont see a high pick at QB worth drafting in the first 2 days.

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Thegravedigger's picture

January 04, 2020 at 11:26 pm

I dont know what young guy is gonna replace tramon on the roster. He has had a real solid year. If they do let him walk i would try and sign harris from the broncos to play slot if the price is right. But josh Jackson would be a drop from tramon.

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Bure9620's picture

January 05, 2020 at 09:04 am

Chandon Sullivan has quietly had an excellent year. He has played slot snaps and allowed a passer rating in the 30s when targeted

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dobber's picture

January 05, 2020 at 02:53 pm

Don't forget Hollman, either.

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Thegravedigger's picture

January 06, 2020 at 06:58 pm

I think sullivan has played better at dime lb. He is not shifty enough for those really quick slot wrs. But i agree that he should have a place on this defense in the future.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 07:20 am

Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that 2020 Tramon Williams can perform like 2019 Tramon Williams did. He's one of the oldest DBs in the league. He defied Father Time but Father Time always wins in the end. So standing pat might turn out to be going backwards.

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:26 pm

This is true. The people in the best position to evaluate that are those who coach and train him. But you are right, that has to be factored into their evaluation. If he were not to continue playing, I wonder if he has interest in coaching with positionally or conditioning

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 03:26 pm

I think the Packers need a CB, not only to replace Tramon as depth next year, but also in anticipation of King leaving after 2020.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2020 at 04:00 am

Don't sleep on Kadar Holman... He was a bit older when drafted IMO and hasn't played much but they may have something with him. I'm not saying don't draft a CB if one is there and is good value, but damn...hopefully not another high pick used there.

Gute releasing Tony Brown would suggest he likes Sullivan and Holman right?

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EdsLaces's picture

January 04, 2020 at 08:53 pm

Robbie freakin Anderson ....that is all.

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Rossonero's picture

January 04, 2020 at 09:16 pm

I can't see Gutekunst spending a 1st or even 2nd rounder on a ILB. WR? Sure. But there simply isn't the caliber of player -- yet -- that I'm aware of that would be available at ILB where we'll be picking.

Blake will cost too much. I love his tenacity and leadership. Smart football player. Tackling machine. But he continues to get exposed in coverage.

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Guam's picture

January 04, 2020 at 09:55 pm

David: not sure I understand your numbers - are you suggesting that Bulaga's contract is $10-$15 million total for two years or $10-$15 each year? Your number seem to suggest the former which would put Bulaga at $7.5 million a year maximum. Given the dearth of good tackles in the league, Bulaga will command at least $10 million per year and I suspect more. I would not be at l all surprised to see the Packers re-sign Bulaga for $11-$12 million a year on a three year deal (and try to keep the upfront money small to minimize the dead money of the cut him after two).

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January 04, 2020 at 11:03 pm

If Tramon is back at all it will be on a one year deal. He is smart as hell but sometimes it is just painfully clear that he has lost a step or two.

I am in the crowd that says it would be a mistake to overpay for Martinez. There may well be some pain associated with that choice, at least in the short (hopefully 1/2 season) term. It is true that you don't get better by creating holes but you don't get better by overpaying either.

I commented the other day that I think the Packers need to add a dynamic RB and a TE over a WR. I'm sure that will not be a popular notion, but I think it is clear that Rodgers is off an he may never be what we remember. The Packers need to lean in more to the running game and a adding another back to the stable and a solid all-around TE would aid in that effort. A speed WR wouldn't hurt but MVS is that so is the problem right now MVS or #12?

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NickPerry's picture

January 05, 2020 at 05:09 am

Excellent stuff Mark...I'm also on board with your idea of drafting a RB. Both Jones and Williams will be in their last year of their rookie deals and as much as I'd like to keep them, a 2nd contract especially for Jones would be too costly. IF there's a good TE for the taking I'm all for drafting one again. I still have high hopes for Sternberger but Lewis is old, Graham BETTER be gone, and Big Bob Tonyon just hasn't shown nearly enough. Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper will both be FA but will probably cost too much but we'll see.

I still believe a WR would be and excellent pick in the first 3 rounds and if one drops in the draft because of the sheer number of great prospects at the WR position I wouldn't be even be opposed to using a 1st round pick on one. Adams is a possession WR. Yes he's great, but the Packers desperately need a WR with speed to compliment Adams. I don't think MVS is the solution at that position.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 05, 2020 at 06:40 am

Acmepacking Co ran an article a couple of days ago about expected points added (I probably got that phrase wrong). The difference between Jones and Taylor being on the field is large. Some of that may be situational, but between that and Jones' past tendencies to not be taking a full year of pounding, it just made me think the Packers really need a second dynamic runner. I hadn't even thought about the rookie deal aspect, but you are spot. Adding a dynamic runner now will keep them from feeling trapped if Jones pushes for too big of a contract. I'm now even more convinced a 1st or 2nd round pick should be used at RB.

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:34 pm

So we have written off last year’s pick already? I don’t agree with the level of pick at all. A wild card her might be the assessment of our returner with respect to offensive ability beyond gadget plays. If they see him as having genuine RB potential and retain him, I could see only a very late pick at RB, if any.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 03:19 pm

I, too, like the idea of an RB and aTE over a WR. Jones and Williams are in their contract years next season, and if we release Graham and Lewis we’ll need help at TE.

Our #2 WR blocks or runs decoy routes 90% of the time. I think the guys we already have will do just fine.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 05, 2020 at 03:19 pm

I, too, like the idea of an RB and aTE over a WR. Jones and Williams are in their contract years next season, and if we release Graham and Lewis we’ll need help at TE.

Our #2 WR blocks or runs decoy routes 90% of the time. I think the guys we already have will do just fine.

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Archie's picture

January 05, 2020 at 10:39 am

This draft is loaded with quality WR and OT. Get one of each. Use FA to get a quality TE (two are available or trade a R3 for one). Get an ILB in FA (or convert Gary to ILB). Clay Matthews ould have solved our OLB problem but that ship has sailed. W/o A Jones things would get ugly in a hurry. Pick up a RB in middle of draft and/or FA.

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Wyattzw12's picture

January 05, 2020 at 03:06 am

I would have to agree without about Blake, he had the weakness in the middle big time. I hope they let him walk and upgrade in free agency with Littleton or draft pick. Also bringing Cobb back you be good because of the chemistry him and Rodgers have had, but also look to draft a receiver. Letting Jimmy go is also good, he’s been disappointing and looking for Cook or a draft would be good. Keeping Bulaga is also solid, he’s been playing well, Lane should be gone as well with Jenkins playing well. I would draft a lineman as well. Tramon though bring back one year minimal pay and have him mentor some young guys but his talent is declining. I’d also like to see a end be brought in to help get some depth. Bringing veteran receiver is great Cobb or someone long term would help. Some holes to patch up but not many so it’s possible to get all the pieces together. Next year draft you draft QB to have him start grooming behind Rodgers for some years.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

January 05, 2020 at 04:16 am

IMO the Packers should let Bulaga, Martinez, Campbell, Goodson, and Redmond walk, cut Jimmy G and trade Lane Taylor for a late rounder. Jared Veldheer was signed in part to replace Bulaga, for half the price. Give him a 2-3 year contract for 4 million per. Nick Kiwiatowski from the Bears can be our new starter at ILB. As a career back up he won't cost too much but the dude can play. Then retain some of our own such as Tramon, Crosby, Lewis, Sullivan, Ervin, Vitale, and Lazard. In this way we still would have 25 million plus in cap space with not many needs. If we have a good draft netting us a starting WR and linebacker we'd be solid.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 05, 2020 at 02:45 pm

Veldheer is an insurance policy, not a replacement.

I like the Kiwiatowski idea.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2020 at 04:14 am

I like Kiwiatowski too. He probably wouldn't cost too much AND we'd be taking him from the Bears...BUT... Are the Bears going to try and keep him since Trevathan is getting old?

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Thegravedigger's picture

January 06, 2020 at 06:55 pm

Trevathan is only 29 and is a free agent as well... Theres a true thumper right there

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2020 at 04:14 am

I like Kiwiatowski too. He probably wouldn't cost too much AND we'd be taking him from the Bears...BUT... Are the Bears going to try and keep him since Trevathan is getting old?

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 06:27 am

My top priority of the offseason is a front office change. Russ Ball follows a cap management model that I would equate to credit card spending. For example, the choice to sign the big 4 free agents has obviously worked out tremendously on the field. But the cap hit for the 4 is going to double from 2019 to 2020. Same players at twice the price changes the dynamics of the choice in front of the GM. I'd get rid of him and hire someone that takes more of a pay as you go approach with less sharp increases in cap hits for the big money deals.

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:11 am

I am a long standing disbeliever in the legend of Ball’s brilliance. That said, the needs of the team required significant investment. Unless one wants to languish for years. That costs. The signings at safety and DE were good value in the then market and look better still now. I find it hard to criticize the front office for making them.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 09:00 am

I'm not criticizing Gute's choice to sign those players. I'm not even criticizing the dollars that Ball gave.

I'm criticizing Ball's choices on structure. It's a cap geek thing that is focused on how and when cash outlays hit the cap. Ball creates more cap volatility than he should by pushing too much of today's spending into tomorrow's cap.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 05, 2020 at 06:32 pm

Ball goes when Murphy goes. When Murphy's contract expires Ball will have no more protection. It's that simple. Gute will get his own man then.

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Bure9620's picture

January 05, 2020 at 09:10 am

Ball has spent this way, I am wondering if the Packers front office is all but convinced there will be a work stoppage after next season, therefore they are simply not concerned about the 2021-22 cap number.......may as well go all in for these 2 years with Rodgers and then blown it up after.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 09:23 am

We'll find out soon if they are going all in. Those 4 FA signings have $20.7 in roster bonus due in 2020. They can convert some or all of that to signing bonus. Whatever amount is converted would be paid in 2020 and count 1/3 in each of 2020-2022.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 06, 2020 at 02:13 am

You can expect to see those figures in an upcoming article. I have been looking at other ways to generate cap space and there aren't too many (this assumes Graham is released/traded and probably Taylor as well). The only players with base salaries worth converting are Bakh and Linsley.

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fastmoving's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:11 am

No WR are needed, it would not change a thing. If you cant work with that group, you cant pass at all. Did you see what the other QBs have?
Besides that, to get ARs trust, you need more years as he is still able to play. None of the veteran wideouts would change anything for the better. Besides that you put nearly half of the SC in the passing game.

I would let Kumerow go, no need for an older, slower version of Geronimo. To bring RC back sounds funny, why not Bill Schroeder?

I would try to get an real TE, but Im not sure if he gets any balls throwin his way………...

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Coldworld's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:14 am

As Graham doesn’t?

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WestWi_Packfan's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:34 am

Kumerow has good hands, plays special teams, is a good blocker downfield and is not costing us much. Let him battle it out with others for a spot in camp next year. The guy who has had his chance and fallen short IMO is Allison who has been dropping passes all year long. He also does not play special teams so he is less valuable the Kumerow. Jimmy Graham also has underperformed his contract and will most likely be let go.

I also dont understand your comparison to Schroeder as he is nothing like him. Bias on your part? AR gets along with Jake just fine as Favre and Schroeder did not get along.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 09:04 am

Kumerow is also EFRA, which means they can re-sign him for peanuts with no cap pain if he ends up being cut.

I'm not a huge fan of Kumerow. But I wouldn't move on until 2020 training camp has shown they have better options.

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stockholder's picture

January 05, 2020 at 08:56 am

Ok Lets be honest. Bulaga, Frackrell, Crosby, and Martinez will never live up to their next contract, ( if signed by the packers.) Move Turner to RT. That was the plan I heard when they signed him. Sign Yannick Ngakoue 12 mil . Chris Jones,15 mil. and Littleton.10 mil. with the money saved. You then can go to the 4-3-4 defense. You then draft 4 new Wrs. A kicker. And you'll even have more money Trading Rodgers. That was the cry after his last game. Trading Both #1s (2020-1) For the next MVP QB in GB. The future is defense in Green Bay. Investing in Used UP and older players just won't get you a trophy!

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wildbill's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:00 pm

Whatever your smoking, please send me some. Trading Rodgers?! This team has made moves to make us a legitimate contender and you want to roll the dice on “maybe” getting a stud QB in the draft? So we get a Jackson or Mahomes, which just happens all the time, and we are ready to roll.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

January 05, 2020 at 11:10 am

IMO Blake would be great as a 2-down ILB next to a better '3-downer'. But he no-doubt doesn't want to be paid as a #2 ILB. I dont think assuming you can get an equal thumper easily makes sense (he is the QB of the D & objectively look at his production), nor does counting on a draftee for next season. Getting the right costly vet to replace him is iffy - if there's one available. Does Gutekunst gamble on getting that 3-downer to replace Blake? Or does he swallow hard & (over)pay him? That's why he makes the big $.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:05 pm

"(he is the QB of the D & objectively look at his production)"

Anyone can recite the words they hear in a helmet speaker. I'll give him credit for being the QB of the defense when it starts to look like it is being QB'ed well. Given all the chunk plays they regularly allow, that is not the case now.

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wildbill's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:06 pm

I doubt many disagree with Martinez’s value as a player but at what price point? If he is getting crazy money in free agency it would be foolish to match it. He makes a lot of tackles but is poor in coverage and he doesn’t plug gaps, he waits for someone to come through the gap and makes the tackle downfield if he can get off his block. He is a heady player but for our defense to step up he will be a 2 down lb and not worth the cost to retain. I like Martinez but business is business

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Archie's picture

January 05, 2020 at 12:04 pm

Robby Anderson is a disaster off the field. Doubt GB would want to bring a menacing influence into the fold. I'd like to see them use a high draft choice on a WR (1 or 2) and bring in AJ Green via FA. That would force defenses to choose their poison.

Hooper would make a great TE FA acquisition. There's another good veteran TE in FA as well that is still in his prime.

Draft is loaded with great TE prospects as well. I would rather grab a young OT prospect at 1 or 2 than pay Bulaga big bucks because he is an injury waiting to happen. Love the guy otherwise.

Bottom-line, we have got to give #12 more weapons. 2020 will be used to bolster GB's offense. Maybe we can get a top ILB in FA too.

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bwhitney00's picture

January 05, 2020 at 07:26 pm

I agree with your assessment of Martinez. I would suggest the Pack take a look at Nick Kwiatkoski from the Bears. He played exceptionally well in place of the injured Roquan Smith. He's an ascending player and may be a available at a workable price. The need to add a high draft pick as well is also likely, Oren Burk's is remains totally overwhelmed and doesn't look like a player.

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