Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Tick, Tick, Boom?

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Tick, Tick, Boom?  As of this writing, (Tuesday evening) there are multiple reports that the Jets and Rodgers spoke on Monday and a Jets contingent is in Cali making their pitch to Rodgers. That also likely means the Packers and the Jets already have trade parameters in place. This is like the movie scene where you're tied to a chair with a time bomb nearby and you're listening to those maddening ticks and just waiting for the inevitable BOOM! By the time you read this, perhaps it's already exploded.

Trade Talk - If only trades in the NFL could go down like some NBA pre-draft trades. Team A agrees to trade their Pick #4 for a player from Team B. Team Team A is told by Team B who to draft and then include in the trade. This type of scenario would save the Packers some money. The problem is, having to wait until after June 1st. In the NBA, the teams don't have to wait. In theory, they could have an under-the-table agreement to do this and not announce the trade until June 1st, but that's not going to happen when you will have OTAs and mini camps going on with a QB you know you are trading. Too bad. Just unrealistically dreaming out loud here.

It's pretty difficult to write about anything other than Rodgers at this moment in time, but I am kind of burnt out on that subject and there was an NFL Combine this past weekend, so a few thoughts about that.

Relative Athletic Score (RAS): If you live under a rock and don't know about RAS, it's a way of comparing a prospect's measurables and athletic testing results (10 items in all) to all players historically having recorded test results at the same position. It's a 1 - 10 scale with 5 always being the average.  As an example, if a prospect has a RAS score of 9.5, they are in the 95th percentile of all players who have tested at that position. So I decided to look at the RAS scores of all of Brian Gutekunst's first round picks. Here they are:

Jaire Alexander 9.5
Rashan Gary 9.95  
Darnell Savage 8.35  
Jordan Love 8.45  
Eric Stokes 9.37  
Quay Walker 9.63  
Devonte Wyatt 9.56

I've previously stated how much I think the Packers' could use a player like Brian Branch.  Brian Branch's RAS score so far is a paltry 6.1, but he didn't do any of the agility tests at the combine. Hopefully he will do so at the Alabama Pro Day and show he might fits what the Packers look for. Otherwise, it's back to the Round One prediction drawing board.

 

Addendum: Since someone asked in the comments, here are a couple of articles by Brian Maafi, who does some of our scouting reports here on the Packers' draft tendencies and thresholds, taking RAS into account.

https://atbnetwork.com/2023/02/07/decoding-the-packers-way/

https://atbnetwork.com/2023/02/15/decoding-the-packers-way-part-2/

 

More Combine: Speaking fo the NFL Combine, I was absolutely floored by the performance of the DL/EDGE group on day one. Every year results improve but it seems like they took a BIG jump this year. It's scary to think about these huge men flying around the football field at those speeds.

2023 Tackle Prospects: You may (or may not) know that I've handled the offensive tackle position for the Cheesehead TV Draft Guide for the last 12 years. I'm not nearly done watching film on the top 30 or so prospects, but from what I've seen so far, this is one of the weakest OT groups overall I can remember. Normally by the Combine, I have an overshadowed prospect or two  that are my "sleepers" or value picks. None yet this year with about 10 more players remaining to watch film on. I'd even say that the top five are kind of middle of the road compared to previous years. I'm curious to hear your comments on which OTs you like in this draft.

Finally, this is interesting from a guy who knows a little about quarterbacks:

 

 

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NickPerry's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:21 am

I know there's others here like me, and those who are dreading the news on Rodgers. I for one can't wait to hear the BOOM!

Gotta say I like what Martz had to say about Jordon Love and personally couldn't agree more. ESPECIALLY about the having invested 3 years in him already, lets SEE what we have before anything else!

Thanks for the update on the Draft Guide Al. I've been waiting to buy it again like I have for the last several years. Can't wait for April 3rd!

BTW... I purchased a zip-up sweatshirt at the CHTV store and I have to say I was surprised at the quality. Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect it to be a piece of crap, but the sweatshirt was much thicker, much better quality than I expected is what I'm saying. If you've never purchased or even visited the CHTV store, take it from a customer...It's worth a look!

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:10 am

All right Nick! Looking to get another kick back sweatshirt? LOL. You've got me sold.

Good luck!

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NickPerry's picture

March 08, 2023 at 05:14 pm

Thanks Steve...I think you'll be really happy with the new "Kick Back Sweatshirt" if you get one here.

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JerseyAl's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:46 am

Thanks Nick - they really are good quality. Thanks for supporting the Draft Guide and CheeseheadTV!

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:54 am

Hey Al, did Brian do one for the defense? There are two links, but each goes to the offense. FYI

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:37 am

Thank you very much, Brian!!!

(....goes straight to DB) "Now this is where the fun begins."

LOL!!!! Too good!!! Cheers!

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NickPerry's picture

March 08, 2023 at 05:10 pm

Absolutely Al... You guys are/will always be my all-time favorite Packers site!

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MooPack's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:38 am

Tick, Tick, Boom: I'd expect a deal done in the next day or two.

RAS: I had either Brian Branch or Broderick Jones as my No. 1. Branch probably dropped out of the 1st with that score. Like you say, maybe his Pro Day can bring a score up or his agility is elite.

2023 Tackle Prospects: And so Broderick Jones is my No.1 pick at #13 (from Jets) or Packers #15. They may not even get a shot at either. I'm seeing him rise to the 11 spot now more consistently. Not overly impressed with this class either, but Jones is the best of the bunch to me.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:25 am

The question really is, if they're set on a trade, whether they move quickly or allow other teams to try to bid this thing up? While I hope they can resolve this quickly (and before the start of the league year) I want the best return possible.

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packerbackerjim's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:01 am

While I can appreciate the desire to get the best possible return, AR holds more than a little leverage in determining where he goes IF he goes. The details about how much money,possible players coming back and which draft choices need to be ironed out. Those negotiations will take some time.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:47 am

AR can retire or take the trade. That's his leverage.

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Tekraut17's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:12 am

Or play for GB as he is still under contract and making a ton of cheddar.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:04 am

Not, if Packers decided to trade him. His only leverage would be retirement.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:25 am

If the trade does go down, I believe it'll be far less than most fans believe. So you can cue up the management doesn't know what they're doing band, when the reality is, you take whatever you can get, for a guy that is near the end, and probably doesn't really want to be in Green Bay anyway.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:01 am

Very true, and that's the sobering part. Hopefully they won't just take a jug of Gatorade and a used jugs machine for him, but I think the level of compensation if a trade does happen will tell us something about just how urgently the Packers wanted to move on.

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:27 am

What I'd really like to see is them trade him for Hackett. LOL.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:37 am

The true compensation is mitigation of the burdens that they voluntarily assumed last year. And it is only mitigation. Last year we could have got out with out the lingering dead cap and probably more picks. Agreeing to a trade now is acceptance that they really screwed up last year.

Confessedly, I thought they did screw up massively then and yet I note that it’s better to face up to mistakes than pretend they weren’t errors, but the magnitude of the cost to the team even if we get notable picks now demands some serious questions.

As a corollary, the reason a trade now is imperative is not picks but remediation. If we get that, then we have something important already. Any picks will depend on the market beyond the Jets, what Rodgers says and is willing to commit to suitors and will probably be diminished by the contractual baggage.

This trade, if it happens, shouldn’t be judged by the number of picks, but whether one believes it’s essential to any hope of contention in the medium term. If it isn’t, then It shouldn’t be happening.

I happen to have long believed that it is essential, but that shouldn’t change the analysis and nor should it obscure the real purpose and allow picks to become a prime justification. If it is truly justified then picks are a bonus, a valuable one, but never a valid driver of the decision to transact.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:23 am

CW, in my opinion, this is driven more by the Packers desire to make way for Jordan Love than AR's contract. I think they saw leaps and bounds improvement from Love that they didn't anticipate based on what they had seen in previous years.

Without Love's huge jump I highly doubt they would be pushing Rodgers out the door. Both sides knew when they put this contract together, it would not play out as written. It's Love's improvement that makes them feel comfortable moving on from AR. Even if Rodgers' contract was a bargain, I think they would still be doing what they are doing.

If the trade does in fact happen : )

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jurp's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:15 pm

If the team had finished with a better record and won a playoff game, I doubt that this would be happening, regardless of Love's jump.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:57 pm

That may be true Jurp, but if they didn't think Love could be the answer at QB, the decision to move on from Rodgers would be much more difficult.

If they had won 13 games again and won a Super Bowl, you are correct, they wouldn't be moving on from Rodgers.

I don't think the Packers blame last year on Rodgers. They see a young QB whose development in year 3 exceeded all expectations, and that makes this worth the risk.

I'm sure the Packers have people who make them aware of what the fanbase is saying on social media. Not that that is what they base their final decision on, but they know the fanbase is ripe for a change. That, JL's improvement, and last years record makes it easier to rip off the band aid and move on.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:03 pm

I just don't think this situation is as much on Love as others do. I think it's more on 12's apathetic and snotty 2022 behavior and a contract they wish they could take back, but are running out of time to get out from under.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:10 pm

I too doubt that it’s got all that much to do with Love. I think something happened over the last 12 months that has made them either see the error that they made or to reevaluate their assumptions based in subsequent happenings. No way of knowing the details, but If it was Love, I think he’d definitely have started a game or two last year.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:27 pm

" I think it's more on 12's apathetic and snotty 2022 behavior"

What snotty behavior dobber? Give me an example so I understand. You actually think they are moving to Jordan Love because of AR's "apathetic and snotty 2022 behavior " ?

So you don't think it's Love's talent? You think it's AR's attitude? For real???

Holy s**t, if he is as bad as you people make him out to be, for as long as you make him out to be, why in God's name would any organization sign him to a long term contract???

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:42 pm

To be clear dobber and CW. If Tim Boyle was going to be the QB next year, your assessment would be the same? it's AR's apathetic and snotty 2022 behavior and not Jordan Love's ability that would make the Packers feel comfortable moving on?

Seriously....? that's your take : )

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Oppy's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:25 pm

Maine,

Let me repeat myself for the 6th or 7th time in the last two weeks.

31 of 32 teams in the NFL are privately held for-profit businesses.
Revenue, and more importantly, Income are the most important points for those 31 teams.

Rodgers is a first ballot HoF'er. He will sell season tickets, he will sell at the gate, he will sell hot dogs and beer, he will sell jerseys.

That's why many teams would gamble on him even though he's a legendary PITA / toxic personality.

They don't give a shit. He's a better arm than what they've got, and he makes money.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 05:32 am

Oppy,

I'm well aware of the for-profit structure of 31 teams in the NFL. I don't see anything toxic about AR's personality. Annoying sometimes perhaps, but not toxic.

The Packers aren't moving on from Rodgers because of his personality. They are moving on because a younger ascending QB they drafted in the 1st round has proven to them that he is ready. If the didn't feel Jordan Love was ready, I don't believe they would be trading AR.

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Oppy's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:56 pm

They snagged Love when they did because of Rodgers' personality.
They went out and got a QB to develop because they were tired of Rodgers' ego and inability to be a team player. They made the decision to start moving on because of Rodgers' attitude.

Make no mistake, there's a lot of this move that's about attitude, personality, etc. Rodgers has talent. He's a problem. Has been for a long time.

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Hematite's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:13 pm

I'm so with you unty, word for word, thought for thought.
Git er done so we can move into the future.
BOOM!!

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DoubleJ's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:49 am

Jones wouldn't be my top OT. There is plenty of evidence that shows SEC OL, especially OT, don't pan out in the NFL. They always come in a these uber athletic guys but they cannot handle the NFL. Give me Peter Skoronski or Paris Johnson Jr over Jones.

I also am not as high on Mayer as so many others. I look at him as a slightly faster Richard Rodgers III who will struggle mightily in the NFL as he isn't fast enough. After the combine his RAS was sub 8 and would likely be even worse if he had done agility drills.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:46 am

I don’t claim Al’s expertise at linemen evaluation, but I really do not like this class. I’m also not impressed by the safeties as a source of immediate starters. Looking at Branch, his tape doesn’t scream a misleading Combine score. Unless the scouts know otherwise, he’s not a first round gamble we can afford.

I think Mayer might be useful, but I really don’t see a first round talent at the NFL level at this point. I’m leaning more and more to trading back unless we can get a pick in the top ten as a result of the trade. I might still trade our original first rounder back even then and look for value in the second on offense.

The one offensive player that might well get to 15 that I would consider for upside and current contribution is Washington. I still think he’s a later in the first round prospect, but that may be changing. I don’t see Johnston there and I will not take a RB with our needs and cap issues.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:11 am

I like TE Darnell Washington a lot. Huge target. Huge problem for opposing defenders in getting off his blocks.

I would trade down from #15 for the value that presents. We're not in that one space where one or two players can take us over the top. Not with glaring, multiple needs at EDGE, S, TE. The Packers could also stand to add another DT, another WR, another CB...

Thankfully, there are abundant talents at EDGE and TE in this draft class overall. After my initial looks this past month, it appears starters can and will be had with Day 3 picks at both positions.

S is another matter entirely. If GB wants upgrades there, they will have to get lucky. Very lucky.

In an EDGE strong draft, I'd be taking the best of the lot Day 1, and would strain myself to the point of injury to keep from taking the right WR, should he fall.

Figure, if we hit TE early, either R1 or R2, he's likely be an instant starter. And, that's knowing TE is a difficult position to learn as a rookie in the NFL. There's that much talent in this class.

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Tekraut17's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:16 am

Exactly right, I totally agree with you on Mayer even though most "expert" mocks show GB taking him at 15. I just don't see it as he's not that fast and TE class is deep. Skoronski is a typical GB player and wants to be here. Slam dunk

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4thand10's picture

March 09, 2023 at 05:19 pm

I’d like Darnell Washington….that’s my wish list.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:39 pm

I would prefer Skoronski over Jones. Jones’ athletic testing will lead to him being over drafted, and SEC tackles don’t have a great recent track record (Evan Neal, Alex Leatherwood).

Skoronski not only has versatility to play many positions but also wants to come to GB. Great character, football IQ, and work ethic. With a RAS over 8 he should be on GBs board. And to those who say he has short arms, just look at the Chargers’ Rashawn Slater, also of Northwestern. Skoronski also can play Guard too.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:39 am

Thanks for this, Al.

“BOOM” is right. All of Packerland is waiting for it to hit, and so many for different reasons.

This is our 3rd straight offseason of this circus.

I’m weary of the subject, myself. Read yesterday about the Packers & Jets having to have agreed to the terms, in principle, for the Jets to have those conversations/in-person visits. The fact they happened as swiftly as they did tells me Gutekunst fired off GB's terms, and the Jets didn’t haggle. I was a little shocked by how quickly this occurred.

Maybe we can surmise the Packers’ compensation will be higher than some might think in trading away the 4-Time MVP. I’m more than happy to wait and see.

In Jordan Love I trust. I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t shock the NFL world in 2023, and beyond.

Appreciate your RAS listing, and you’re right, Branch’s Combine numbers severely disappoint.

My take on that is RAS doesn’t measure anticipation nor the ability to diagnose. Nonetheless, his performance at the Combine might push him further down, allowing the Packers to trade their 2nd R1, #15, (see what I did there?) for an extra pick and still take Branch.

I'm not a huge fan of the "NFL Underwear Olympics." Now, if they had "Geared Up' 40 Times... 3-Cones, etc., with helmets, pads, cleats, on grass??? Count me in.

Regardless, my confidence is not shaken in Branch.

I’m not following this draft as closely as others in the past, and don’t know what to make of your shares regarding OT and DL/EDGE, but I believe we’ll be ok, especially with the good news landing on the EDGE players, our #1 need area.

I’ll be ordering your draft guide again, for sure. It’s always a treat for a draft goon like myself. It really is a great resource.

Cheers!

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DoubleJ's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:54 am

"The fact they happened as swiftly as they did tells me Gutekunst fired off GB's terms, and the Jets didn’t haggle."

It could also be that the Packers have been having conversations with teams since their season ended. Overall I feel getting rid of Rodgers now is at least 3 years too late, in reality I wanted him traded in 2018.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:58 am

DJ, I think the Packers have been in trade discussions with the Jets for two years now. At least. They've been included in the "other teams interested," category throughout the entire circus span since Schefty's bombshell went off just hours prior to the start of the 2021 NFL Draft.

The Jets know what they want, and what the Packers want, and they're going for it.

Good.

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Hematite's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:26 pm

I really hope that this trade doesn't fall apart at the last minute.🙉

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:43 pm

IMO I think the compensation will be a first rounder in 2023 and a conditional second in 2024 that can become a first. The FO won’t accept less than that, I have heard.

And to those who point to the amount we got for Favre, I would also point out that Favre was 10 years removed from his last MVP season. Rodgers is just 1 season removed from his last MVP, and also played this past year with a below average group of pass catchers that also suffered from instability and injury and an OL constantly in flux. I think it is fair to think in NY he’d be better.

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NickPerry's picture

March 08, 2023 at 05:23 pm

"In Jordan Love I trust. I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t shock the NFL world in 2023, and beyond."

Frankly I will too. I think he'll take a little time, but I also think he'll shut the naysayers up too. There will be a few bumps along the way, but I think all in all he'll get better with each passing week and the Packers will be in the mix right up to the end of the 2023 regular season...10-7 or 11-6...At least!

2023 is still going to be a tougher year due to the dead money we'll be dealing with from Rodgers contract, but with another year under the belts of Watson, Doubs, Toure, and THIS years draft haul, Love will be cooking with nitro in 2024!!!

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jurp's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:02 am

I have to give the Jets credit - they're truly going all out to land Rodgers with the quickly planned cross-country trip by their entire upper (football) management team to meet with him. Namath on board with letting Rodgers use his number was a very nice touch - it wouldn't surprise me if they took a home Jets #12 jersey with them, too. If this deal falls through, it won't be because the Packers or Jets screwed anything up. And if it falls through, I can't believe any other deal will happen, either.

As for RAS, how far back in time do the scores go? I tried to search but came up with lots of weird non-football results. I know Gutekunst seems to live by RAS scores, but is their an actual statistical basis for relying on them over more traditional evaluation methods?

As for Love, let the good times roll...

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MooPack's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:04 am

RAS - 1987 I believe.

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jurp's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:54 am

Thanks!

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:08 am

Which is the year a single testing event under NFL auspices in Indianapolis started I believe. I think there were a couple elsewhere before that.

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JerseyAl's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:49 am

Jurp, I added a couple of links in the article re: Packers & RAS. Note that the Packers DO NOT use RAS. However, they surely have their own criteria and thresholds and RAS does seem to to align fairly closely to what they like to do.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:15 am

Given that what activities are measured is pretty constant now, the variation will likely be in the weighting by position/role. So we might value agility in an edge slightly more, or height in a CB generally and what we see as the ideal profile for an OLB might be different or may actually be split, for speed rush and power types. We might not even care if a QB can broad jump or an OL run a good time beyond 10 yards in the 40. The proprietary nature of RAS is the formulas and to whom/what roles they are applied. I would expect the Packers to have their own somehow and to adjust them as our views if what is needed evolve.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:45 pm

Good stuff, Al. Just out of curiosity, do you know if they use SPARQ scoring similar to what the Seahawks/Schneider use?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:06 am

Surprise! More drama from "12".
This time, into darkness into he would delve.
Emerging, his shadow he did not see,
The Jets will bow and pay his fee.
Love may finally come off the shelf!

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Tekraut17's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:21 am

Drama? He's doing exactly what any top end QB would be doing at this juncture, meeting with a team that apparently wants him. If the media and talking heads didn't follow every second of every minute of his life there wouldn't be any drama. It would just be an offseason..

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:45 am

Exactly. Any one that feels this is AR wanting to leave the Packers is kidding themselves. This is the Packers telling AR we appreciate all you have done, but Jordan Love's improvement leads us to believe this is what is best for the Green Bay Packers organization going forward. Thanks for the memories, and we'll see you when you are ready to retire.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:28 pm

It is all about the Money.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:40 pm

The money and the decision to draft Love in 2020. That is what is forcing the current situation. If they had not drafted Love none of this "drama" would be going on now, or the last 3 years. Read further before downvoting :)

I truly hope drafting Jordan Love turns out to be the right decision and he has a long successful Packer career with a couple Super Bowls by the time he is done. All of the craziness would have been worth it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:27 pm

I liked Love, but not the trade up. I still would have somehow maneuvered to #32 for Tee Higgins.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:42 pm

Full disclosure, at the time I was against drafting Tee Higgins in the first round...... and I would have been wrong . I prefer my hindsight vision : )

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 08, 2023 at 04:15 pm

The timing was certainly understandable, but I still feel it was ill-advised.

I still feel Gutey trading up was the real problem. Had Gutey stood pat and drafted Love, he could say he was BPA on his board and Aaron Rodgers probably wouldn't have batted an eye. The fact that Gutey traded up for him was wrong IMO.

If someone were to draft Love ahead of our pick, nobody would've been the wiser, and Gutey could've drafted any number of guys... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, etc...

I love Love. Good kid, talented, and he did need to sit, to learn, and develop...

It seems he's ready now, and it seems Rodgers' time in GB is coming to an end. Maybe it will all work out for the best, but I think it could've been handled much better all the way around.

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Handsback's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:07 am

Does anyone find it strange that Martz would say a comment like that? No context or why he would even be talking about Love. Don't get me wrong, I like Love and want him to start this year but thought the comment was a set-up.

The only player I have heard about was the WR from Ohio State. About 18 months ago a scout told me that Jaxon Smith-Njigba was the best wideout at Ohio State. Since that time they had 2 receivers go in the first round one of them ROY winner. So unless his medical went south...this guy could be the Packer's pick. He's a Sterling Sharpe with better wheels. Just don't be surprised if he's the 1st receiver taken.
Just MHO

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:54 am

Go on you tube, search for Jordan Love with Mark Sanchez "4th and forever", than go to podcast "The QB school" and see what QB evaluator have to say about Jordan Love. Than search for other evaluators and analyzes of Jordan Love. Like "Strong Opinion Sports", "AlexRollingsNFL", "Cut N Drive", "JustBombProduction", "NFL on CBS" 2020 draft, 2020 draft "GET UP" witn Todd McShay, etc.

If you want to keep talking he is bust, you can find some records to support your opinion, but there were about 1 bad to 5 not good, but excellent assessments. Jordan Love was projected to go over Justin Herbert in 2020 draft and was consider high as 6th in the 1st round.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:50 am

croat, you are correct, Sir! Ed McMahon vibes... ha ha ha. Yes!!!!

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:20 am

Not really, it’s pretty topical and was even before the Jets news. If you think the guy has credibility then give it some weight (he seems to have an excellent pedigree and no subsequent media tarnish).

He’s a football guy producing 3rd party expert media content and this seems like one subject he would logically have on his list after last season. He would not be alone in being able to predict when it might be particularly relevant (now), whether Rodgers retired, stayed or was talking trades.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:48 pm

It wasnt just a comment. Martz basically made a blog post all about Love. Even broke down a couple plays from film. He also said, "I'd bet the ranch on this guy." Pretty eye opening coming from a guy who coached quarterbacks for 39 years.

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Longtime-NFL-coach-d...

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 04:23 pm

I respect the hell outta Mike Martz as an Offensive Coordinator guru type. They guy was at the forefront after Holmgren's time here.

I'll have to check that out, being a huge Jordan Love fan.

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mrtundra's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:16 am

Wondering what you think of this, Al? If Branch isn't our choice at Safety, due to his underperforming, whatever, and the Packers feel they will move Rasul Douglas to Safety, do the Packers go after a stud CB, like Witherspoon or Gonzalez, instead of a Safety? I've read reports that Witherspoon, of Illinois, is Jaire 2.0. and that Gonzalez, of Oregon, is a great cover CB. Would the moving of Rasul to Safety open that avenue to draft a CB, instead of a Safety, for the Packers? Also, I am eagerly anticipating the release of the CHTV Draft Guide. It's always a good read!

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:51 pm

Here’s my two cents:

I do not think the Packers should draft a CB this year. Many people forget about the first round investment they made in Eric Stokes. Those two were locked in as the boundary CBS at the start of last season, and since Stokes is on track to make training camp, I would count on that this year. Everyone seems to forget how sensational Stokes’ rookie season was: a 49.5 pct completion percentage allowed: 4th among ALL CBs. 14 PBUs too.

I think we should move Rasul to safety, with Jaire and Stokes as our outside CBs, and convert Savage to a full-time slot corner. We can also resign Ford and have him serve as a veteran S.

In the draft, I would not address S in round 1. Athletic scores aside, I have some concerns as to how well Branch would translate to the Packers defense. The safety class this year isn’t very good; I would look ahead to next year for that position, as the 2024 S class is supposed to be very good.

One guy I would like to see the Packers get in the second at Safety is Sydney Brown, one of the most athletic, versatile, and instinctive Safeties in the class. For first round, though, I would focus on positions that are strong in the draft, like Edge, TE, WR (if it’s Johnston or Smith Njigba), and OT (if we trade or cut Bakhtiari).

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:33 pm

PFN Pre-Trade Fantasy Island
#15 Paris Johnson OT
#40 Uzomah Edge
#65 Kraft TE
#78 Sydney Brown S
#104 Harrison Edge
#116 Trice CB
#125 R Wright CB
#151 Ch Jones WR
#225 Herbig OLB
#234 Ben Sims TE
#244 Curvin OG
#256 Tre Tucker WR
#258 Nichols III RB
#256 J Banks ILB

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mrtundra's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:32 pm

Stokes is coming off a season where he basically underperformed, whether he had an injury, or not, he did not play the same as he did in his rookie season. I think we need to draft a CB, for no other reason than to have depth there.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:39 pm

Okay, but not in round 1 (and probably not in round 2 either)

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:24 pm

The CB class looks much stronger than the S class, and you need to have 4+ CBs who can play. I wouldn't be relying on Savage to be that guy, especially not past 2023. The presence of Stokes and Alexander gives them flexibility in the round where they take that guy, but I think at least one CB in the first two days is a given.

So, I think that if they don't see a FS type in this draft that they feel can step in and play right away, that your scenario is exactly what they'll do: they'll buy the CHTV draft guide! ;)

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:53 pm

Free agency is how were gonna fill the vacant safety spot. Keep your eye on John Johnson III. Played under Barry with the Rams and is a rock solid player.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:01 pm

I agree. If there's been a position that the FA market has been flush with--and where a street guy has stepped up and played great ball on a prove it deal--pretty much every year, it's SS. Just gotta find the right guy.

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:25 am

For me, I’m going to miss the on-field Rodgers and watching one of the greatest to play the position. On the flip-side I’m probably one of the few who has a Jordan Love jersey and wore it proudly at the KC game and the days proceeding last year game.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your perspective, all things change in life and it looks like the time is now to move on. Yes, I’ve struggled with the thoughts of losing Rodgers and the immediate chance to win another championship, but I also am excited to see what we have in Love. I’ll embrace change and all that comes with it; hope, new beginnings and leadership.

I will not forget all the enjoyment Rodgers has provided me over the past 14 years. Much like Favre, I appreciate such greatness. I wish you well and thank you Rodgers for playing hard, whether injured or not, while wearing the G proudly. Go Pack Go!

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:53 am

Well said, Murfreesboro! I’’m leaving it as is, in all its Autoincorrect glory.

Everybody’s got their own likes/perspectives. The ability to embrace change is an admirable quality, as change is ever present.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:47 am

I too agree you expressed your thoughts very well about Rodgers & change Murf!

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:54 pm

Well said. Rodgers has given us so many good moments (and was instrumental in our 4th Lombardi) and I will always be proud to have had him as my favorite team’s QB. Go Pack Go!

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Guam's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:32 am

I have to give Gute credit. His career with the Packers and as a GM in the NFL is likely riding on Jordan Love. He will be defined by this pick and yet he is clearly committed to moving on from Rodgers and playing Love. He has the stones necessary for the job.

Like everyone else, I am waiting to hear about the compensation for Rodgers should he be traded. I am concerned the Russ Wilson failure in Denver as well as Rodgers' age will put a damper on the level of compensation. The big win will be getting out from under the massive contract that would have killed the Packers' cap for several years to come. And hoping Woody Johnson seriously overpays.......

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Razer's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:43 am

...His career with the Packers and as a GM in the NFL is likely riding on Jordan Love...

I hope that Aaron's big contract, friends of Rodgers and all this roster shuffling aren't delay tactics to recognizing a Love mistake. If we were buying time to develop our next leader great. If Gutekunst didn't want to admit to a mistake then we are in the wrong hands. I have no problem with mistakes - it is the cover-up that always gets me. If Love isn't the guy, then we wasted some great years and picks NOT surrounding Rodgers with talent.

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Guam's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:15 pm

I think Love is likely ready to start or the Packers wouldn't be open to moving Rodgers. I don't think Gute would bet his career on a guy who he thought wasn't ready to play.

I was not a fan of the Love draft choice when it happened as I would have preferred to see a better team around Rodgers. However what is done is done and the Love era appears about to begin. I just hope fans will give Love some time to develop. Even Rodgers went 6-10 in his first year after preparing for three years.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:43 pm

I remember how terrible Rodgers looked in '05, '06, and most of '07... The Dallas game finally gave us what we needed to see to be fine with Favre retiring.

I was so sick of Brett Favre's INTs killing us, I was ready after the NFCCG in '07, to ride with Rodgers no matter what.

After our loss to the 9'ers, I was ready to move on from Rodgers, even if Love wasn't ready.

The Eagles game this year was enough for me. I wish we'd have traded AR to Denver last year, but alas, we didn't, so seeing him go to the Jets and wear Joe Namath's retired "12" jersey is a great consolation prize if you ask me.

Now lets hope Gutey can convert whatever draft compensation he gets into players who can help Jordan Love succeed next season...

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:09 pm

I think it would show great respect back, if Rodgers comes out on a throwback uniform day with "Namath" on his back.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:46 am

There will always be another dim-witted billionaire inheritor owner who is willing to step up if Woody Johnson & Johnson fails in his pursuit. Russell Wilson is not Aaron Rodgers. Full stop.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:32 am

The lesson there is that if there’s a unique talent you can’t get, don’t necessarily settle for the nearest equivalent you can get. The word unique is there for a reason and warning.

There were a lot of people I know are knowledgeable that had grave doubts about Wilson’s future potential by the end of 2021. That doesn’t mean that they are right, but it was not a classic, simple, old versus young comparative many in Denver sought to portray it as. Time will tell if that is justified, but so far there appear to be legitimate questions. Of course, if Rodgers moves, it may shed light on whether he would have been a viable option in Denver anyway.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 12:55 pm

It is not going to be on a Wilson-esque scale. It just isn’t. I would be happy with a first this year and conditional second that can become a first next year.

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:33 am

Rodgers moving along. Hope the best for him and thank him for many good memories.

I'm mostly worried that the coaching will let Love down. If they do, I hope people won't judge him harshly his first year. We didn't make the playoffs last year so we can only stay the same or get better. I'm thinking the Lions take a step back because they have all the draft capitol, but they're the Lions and I predict we take the division. You heard it here first.

Sad there are few prospects for O-tackle, but I think we can get enough competition from the guys we have to displace guys like Hansen and Newman. Would like more help at center too (see any Jersy Al?). It might help the depth and make it easier for Tom if he didn't have to work that spot, just guard and tackle.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:35 am

But, there is the flip side to the whole coaching thing. Maybe, just maybe, Love actually runs the designed offense like a fine tuned machine and all ends well. We fall in "Love" and MLF looks like a genius. Might be wishful thinking, but you just never know? Either way, I'll be looking forward as always, to the start of the season, beginning with the draft.

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:42 am

I believe Rodgers did run MLF's offense with his own twists, however I'm referring to the players they put with him on the O-line and waiting weeks to fix it. I also worry that MLF seems to have a hard time making adjustment at game speed that keeps handicapping the offense and gives advantage to the adjustments made by the defenders' coaches.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:41 am

We are going to find out exactly what both LaFleur and Rodgers are now, if this trade does happen. Rodgers will have a seemingly very strong roster and a very different coach. We will see what he can do with that. LaFleur will have no player to tell him (real or imagined) what he can and can’t do. There appears to be no on field obstacle now to his unleashing his offensive brain without hinderance.

Even if Love struggles, we should very clearly see what LaFleur really brings to the party. Part of that will be how he handles a young QB, personnel usage, play design, in game adjustments. That will speak volumes about the last few years I believe. It’s potentially going to be a very revealing season.

One wild card thought: was the absence of LaFleur and his team from the combine a direct result of knowing that Rodgers was not returning and the constraints were off? That might well mean schematic work now would feed in sufficient value to the draft and FA strategy to make doing it now imperative.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:56 am

How did McCarthy do after Rodgers drove him off? The Cowboys are one of the better teams in the NFC (but they just make too many mistakes to win)

Oh yeah. If Love succeeds like I think he will, then Gutekunst and LaFleur are both going to be vindicated, regardless of what Rodgers does or doesn't do.

Let me be clear: There's no reason for this offense to struggle. Last year, we had "new receivers, Bakhtiari....Jenkins....blah blah blah. None of that applies this year. Look at who is probably lining up for our first snap if we don't add anybody.

Love, Jones/Dillon at RB.
Watson, Doubs, Toure
DeGuara, Tonyan,
Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Nijman, Runyan, Myers, Tom

Every one of these guys has been to the rodeo before. They've all been around for at least a year and some have been around longer. IMO, this group of people should be able to get people blocked, move the ball , and score points

And we could add players in the draft. A TE and a WR. There's plenty enough talent to work with, and if this team doesn't play well right out of the box next year, there's nowhere else to put the blame except on the people in charge of making sure we put a quality product on the field.

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:15 am

Did you hear if they got a deal done with Nijman? I sure hope so. Except when he was playing hurt the last two games he was a baller.

They need to get another speedster to back up Watson if he gets hurt more. Here's what Mike Spofford had to say in response to a question on II (packers.com) about how it affected last season "...in retrospect – the absence of Christian Watson. He missed the second half of the London game with his recurring hamstring injury, and the offense fell apart. He missed the next two games, returned at Buffalo, and got concussed on the opening series. Then he was held out for precautionary reasons due to a wicked hit late in the Detroit game when the Packers were trying to rally (and had already lost Doubs in the first quarter to injury as well). That's your five-game losing streak. His touchdown binge started the following week vs. Dallas and the season turned around. Watson's health issues played a huge role in the offense's midseason struggles.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:25 am

They don’t need to issue tenders till the afternoon of March 15th. Most come in shortly before the deadline.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:04 pm

Matt Landers - 6' 4" 200lbs - 4.37 40... (MVS but better routes and hands IMO)

Trey Palmer - 6' 0" 192lbs - 4.33 speed... (Needs to work on his hands catching for sure.)

I'm hoping we get a couple WRs to either complement our current WR Corps or one more beast... (Either way we need at least one or two more WRs.)

Bo Melton might also be our Mecole Hardman or Kadarius Toney?

I haven't even heard if we've tendered Yosh Nijman yet? Thinking the date for that is upcoming shortly.

I hope they put the 1st round tender on him... ($5.432 Million)

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:32 pm

Not a knock on you BDU, but lots of people talking up Melton, and I don't see anything but a guy who ran fast at the Combine and hasn't made it onto a game day roster. He'll have to earn his way onto the active roster by STs and hope to make the most of any rare opportunities he gets on offense...glad to be wrong. Got lots of BBQ sauce for crow.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 04:32 pm

WHOAH!!!! WTF???? Thanks for this info, BirdDogUni!

How did I miss Gutekunst signing Bo Melton? I guess I was that tuned out last season. Here are my draft notes on him:

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WR Bo Melton - Rutgers
5-11 198 4.34

Since 2020, Melton ranked #19 in Power 5 deep receptions (15), #2 in uncatchable targets (23). This really says it all. Taking out screens, his Catchable TGT Rate was 7th worst in Power 5 over 3 year span. His separation so good it was in 86th percentile.

He shows good understanding of how to run routes and set up defensive backs and has some spectacular plays in his tape. A 4.34 40 at the combine showed he has legit speed as well. Melton broke double-digit tackles in each of the last two seasons.

Shifty. Speedy. EXPLOSIVE. ROUTES. SEPARATION. TOUGH. YAC.

*Just saddled with a really bad QB. Steal late.

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Melton was one of those guys who just wasn't going to get any good draft round placement because of the piss poor QB play he had to endure. I had often thought he'd be a steal, and I'm kind of stunned that Gutekunst picked him up off waivers. He's a shrewd MF, always with his ear to the ground. Good on Gutey!

I love the balls Gutekunst had to swipe Bo Melton off SEA's practice squad!!! That's cool.

Wow. What a realization!!!

I think Packer Nation is going to freak on Bo. WHO????????????!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!

Melton was right up there with the intangibles you look for in a solid, tough, sure WR. Great route runner, with speed too! I looked at him last draft as a poor man's version of any of the big names we all knew end R1 all the way through R5 in 2022. Routinely getting great separation, and his QB couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Moo.

Seriously stunned to learn this today. I can't believe this and it makes me very happy to know Melton is a Packer. That's a big plus added to our roster, while none of us were looking.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 05:55 pm

Saw other reports that say that while he has some route-running savvy, but lacks physicality, has inconsistent hands and fails to play to his timed speed. Some success as a gunner, though.

So far, hasn't been that guy who surprises and jumps onto a team's 53. If it were all about the QB play and he was a legit 4.3 guy in pads, we''d hope he could make that statement. Maybe he does, yet, but I'm not expecting much.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:29 pm

Melton can run. He’s going to have to work on his technique. He had some issues with that in Seattle which led to some drops, but he’s not awful and so does Watson. He missed a roster spot in part due to an injury and in part due to the ST and other play of my 7th round wish last year, Dareke Young (taken one before Toure).

Melton has a very powerful lower body, he’s great with the ball in hand and can help as an option. A guy who can be elusive as well as fast. Unfortunately, he really needs to add significant upper body strength. He’s not good at all against press or in contested situations. He made his yards by getting separation first or by being schemed open. He is like having an extra draft pick. He needed weight room time and a year on could be a legitimate contender to contribute.

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:41 am

LH, I tend to agree with you on things, but Watson, Doubs, Toure, Deguara and maybe Tonyan (current free agent) doesn't really strike fear into a defense. IMO, Watson does, but the rest, not so much.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:24 pm

Bo Melton might strike fear into a defense...

We can hope.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:58 pm

I understand that.

Half our plays involve two guys you didn't mention, Jones (who is our biggest weapon) and Dillon. Next, the main WR is targeted about 10-12 times. So there just aren't a lot of touches for other guys. Nonetheless, I'd like to add a TE and a WR on Day 2.

I have my favorite targets.

The offense, as a whole, should be able to score points, as long as we get blocking.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 05:23 pm

Most receivers don’t till their names get known or they show they can take the top off a D. Adams didn’t, Jones, Driver, Nelson. Takes time. What that group can be is the relevant assessment.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:52 pm

Like anything else, it's about taking advantage of your opportunities. In 2019, we were struggling badly against Detroit when Alan Lazard finally climbed over enough people to get on the field and he made a play.

I think our offensive engine will be powered by the backs again. So that's 30-35 plays. You'll want to throw to Watson 10 times. That leaves about 20 targets for the others.

Currently the others are

1)Tonyan, who gets about 5 targets.
2) Doubs, who should get about 4 targets

Now we're down to about 11 opportunities. I think if we add a WR and a TE, that's plenty of weaponry. I think we'd have to take Washington at #15 in order to be sure of getting him. There are other TEs we could take later in the draft. The list of big WRs who can run fast and jump high and who are physical in the run game is a short one.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:35 pm

Actually I don’t want to throw to Watson ten times, I want to throw to Watson in quality positions. That means using other receivers/catchers more till they draw coverage and then Watson can kill the game if they shift coverage and we might have a functional offense not the garbage design of last year that other teams figured out in September. Watson nearly got killed being the obvious target and he’s not yet route diverse enough to be played like Adams in 2021, even if that wasn’t overdone.

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stockholder's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:37 am

What Boom. More like Champaign corks going off.
( For the best Tarred and feathered public display ever.)
Instead of writing RODGERS wants to play.
He was the object of a power hungry GM. A MOB.
Hail Gutey, and his REBUILD! And All his glory.
Because this wasn’t about an ALL IN.
It was Something that never should have been.
The drafting of Love. After the best FAs Signings ever.
Avoiding the true needs of what wins championships.
The Trench. The weapons. A Dynasty.
Rodgers didn’t do the drafting. He turned straw into gold.
And he got paid. First #4 now #12. The damage is done.
The storied Franchise is losing an icon.
And the image of Title town is disintegrating with him.
So keep the door revolving now.
MLF and his staff is next.
Because when Bastards have power, It’s about them.
History is being made in Green Bay.
Forget the glory of the game. Turn off the lights.

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jurp's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:02 am

"Hail Gutey, and his REBUILD! And All his glory."
Assuming the trade comes off, then thank you, I will.

"Rodgers didn’t do the drafting. He turned straw into gold."
In 2020 and 2021, Rodgers helped turn gold into straw with his play in the playoffs.

" Turn off the lights." The party's ooooo-ver...
Thanks, now I have an earworm of Don Meredith "crooning" that song after yet another beat-down of the 70s Packers on MNF.

As for the rest of the post... Do you want a little cheese with that whine?

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stockholder's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:10 am

Never touch Whine-
It's always miller time for me.
Spin a pizza instead.
It's the roman thing to do.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:57 am

Actually, Rome is more known for its tripe.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:57 am

And tripe is the container for shiite.

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stockholder's picture

March 08, 2023 at 05:57 pm

Actually, I hope he retires now.
Before he accepts a trade.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:37 am

Hey Al, I always love your work.

Regarding 2023 OTs: I'm a huge proponent of the value of a great OL, but I always have to rely heavily on testing and other scouts' opinions. This year I'm curious about Carter Warren and Braeden Daniels. As much as I'd love to pick stud OLmen early, I feel like our current OL is good enough for that move to be a mistake.

BTW, WR Jonathan Mingo is one of my under-the-radar crushes, and he now posted a 9.9 RAS. His play reminds me of a Sterling Sharpe/Deebo blend.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:05 am

""I feel like our current OL is good enough""

PEO, 'good enough' for what? To win the division? To get the job done in the playoffs? My goal would be to have an offensive line that's one of the best in the league.

Everything is fine until somebody gets hurt. We could line up Bakhtiari,Runyan, Jenkins, Myers,Nijman, which is pretty good. Tom gives us great versatility in overcoming the first injury,

But that second injury is going to make a starter out of one of these guys: Newman, Rhyan, Walker....and when that happens, I'm not sure we're good enough. If we could get a guy who could be our starting RT, it puts Nijman on the bench along with Tom and that's better depth.

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T7Steve's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:19 pm

Still would love to see a goal line lineup with Nijman and Caleb Jones together. That's a couple big bodies that would HAVE to move people for Dillon to crash through.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:08 pm

Totally agree about Jonathan Mingo. He reminds me of AJ Brown and Debo and could be an absolute steal! His highlights are insane. Would love to see I’m in the Green and Gold. He seems like the type of player the FO would like.

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stinkycheesehead's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:37 am

Could be tic-tic--------------------------------------DUD!!!! if rogers isn't traded!

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:57 am

Right, it’s not done till it’s signed and official.

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:10 am

CW, you're right and I think it's far from done. So many variables at play yet. This could go smoothly or really ugly. Hard to tell.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:09 am

My guess is that the true negotiations are only now starting in earnest, and that’s if they’ve managed to find themselves on the same page in terms of what they want philosophical and in terms of commitment. That they should now have got to (or failed to) an agreement in principle: ‘we agree that we have an interest collaboration to achieve explicit shared, mutual objectives, if we can now agree mutually acceptable detailed terms.’

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:51 pm

The contract is very complicated and a lot of money left to be dealt with. I think that will be a difficult part to negotiate between the three parties.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:16 pm

That is the nitty gritty, yes.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:53 am

BOOM! The scab is gone and we can move on. Rodgers needs a change, The Packers fans, FO, the board of directors, and stockholders need a change too.. So let's move on and wish Aaron good luck.

The Pack will get 1st and 2nd round picks this year and a conditional 1st round pick next year. So with that, here is the order to draft. We don't need players from the Jets.

1st Round: IDL & Edge. The D line and rush need help. Load up.
2nd Round: WR & TE. Lots of good talent at TE and we need more WR help.
3rd Round: CB. Moving Douglas to S I think is smart. He is a very instinctive player.

Free Agents: TE Hurst from Cincinnati. This will retool the TE position for a few years.
WR Hardman from KC. He has speed and an upside.
Safety from KC. Two guys from the Super Bowl winner who know how to win.
Bring back Nixon. Consider bringing back Ford and Reed for depth.

So... both Farve's and Rodgers last pass was an interception. Both Rodgers and Love sat for three years.

It took Rodger a year to excel, it just may be the same for Love. We may not have a winning record, but the team will be competitive. We will need Lafleur to force Barry to be more aggressive. That is most of my worry for next year.

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marpag1's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:08 am

"The Pack will get 1st and 2nd round picks this year and a conditional 1st round pick next year."

I hope like hell you're right, but I'd be floored if they could get this much. I'm not sure if there is even one 1st rounder in the compensation, but what do i know? I'm definitely out of my depth here.

Any compensation that includes a 1st, and I will be more than satisfied. I'm tempering my expectations in case there is no first rounder at all.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:19 am

I'm with you. I believe draft picks will be bounded how much money Packers would like to swallow from 2023 ACR income. Will they accept that 40.3 mill $ dead money cap hit or more.

On the other hand when you see what Jones signed with Giants and Geno Smith with Seattle, I do think Jets value ACR hire than 40 mill $ player. His less than 60 mill $ does not look that much when you put that in consideration.

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marpag1's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:34 am

I agree with those people who think that the real issue for the Jets is how long Rodgers is willing to play. If he's a one year rental, then we're not going to see much draft compensation. But if they feel he will play multiple years... all bets off.

I think the Giants will be disappointed with Jones. My guess is that Jones will be the eternal "OK, but never good enough" sort of guy. In other words, the G-men are spending a lot of money for a younger version of Kirk Cousins. Even that might be a bit optimistic, in my opinion.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:05 pm

Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins are both more similar than you think. For instance look at both of their records when playing in prime time!

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Racingdad's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:48 am

The 40 mil dead cap can not go away. Or be traded away. Dead cap hits are for money paid to players in the past but hits in future against cap. When ar is traddd that 40 counts against this yrs cap the good news is it’s only about 9 mil more than what was to be counted this yr and than it’s done no more ar charges after this yr

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:27 pm

Especially when you can get additional high draft choice players on rookie deals to mitigate some of the sting of the dead cap money.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:57 am

Davante Adams garnered a 1st and 2nd round pick. Raiders knew he wasn't going anywhere else...

If in fact we trade AR12 to the Jets, the Packers will get "decent" compensation... They learned their lesson from the Favre fiasco...

I'm not going to predict a King's Ransom, but at minimum it will be a 1st and 2nd, IMO...

The key isn't what we get in trade for AR12, but what Gutey does with those picks.

To me it depends on who is available and who the Packers like obviously...

My first instinct is to draft a Broderick Jones to protect Jordan Love's blindside for a decade like Bakh did for AR12... If we don't trade Bakh pre-draft, I think it could easily happen before the trade deadline, which would give Broderick Jones the time to get acclimated to the NFL game and our offense.

My second wish is Gutey would draft more weapons than we actually need for Love to succeed. We've loaded the defense with more talent than I thought possible, so adding guys like Quentin Johnston, Darnell Washington, and Devon Achane (Aaron Jones replacement when applicable) would be my hope for the Packers draft.

Yes, we can draft another DL, OLBer, CB, or Safety if they're BPA. I have no problem with drafting defense, but I think of all the drafts since 2005, this one ought to be geared towards giving Jordan Love everything he needs to excel quickly in his new roll as QB1 for GB!

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:03 pm

We only go OT if Bakh is not on the team in 2023. I think we should take one edge and one offensive player in round 1.

Also I’d stay away from Achane. He is easily injured and our RB room is already stacked.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:38 pm

"Davante Adams garnered a 1st and 2nd round pick. Raiders knew he wasn't going anywhere else...
If in fact we trade AR12 to the Jets, the Packers will get "decent" compensation... "

I think your point is a good one: it's been the wild west in trading draft compensation for established vets the last couple years. I think GMs are devaluing draft lottery tickets over proven, developed players. It's hard to predict what that might look like in this case if a trade comes to fruition.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:01 pm

I think it is a 2023 first and a 2024 conditional second that can become a first

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:20 am

Packer_Fan, I think you're right about the higher compensation that GB will realize here - despite all the cogent views previously shared on this, for weeks.

Woody Johnson stated recently when asked about Aaron Rodgers, that he wants "Plug & play," players, the best he can get at QB. He also knows that time is money.

I wouldn't doubt after years of discussions with the Jets, a rapport has been built up. A trust between the two teams. I also wouldn't be shocked to learn the Packers would give NYJ "Exclusive Rights," in negotiating a deal that carries with it higher picks (two R1s), but along with that a commitment by the Packers to pay a significant portion of Rodgers' salary that would be owed by the Jets, and the agreement that the Packers would deal with the Jets exclusively.

Deals take time, and the last thing NYJ wants is to be waiting on these other team's offers to the Packers for AR. This deal in particular will take a lot more time than most to assemble.

I think the same parties have been in discussions on and off since 2021 on an AR trade.

That's what made me think, initially, that this will likely be a package deal (unprecedented, yes) which would also include David Bakhtiari. Not saying I want to trade him, personally. Only that the subject has to have come up. It just makes too much sense. The Jets don't have cap room to add a time tested veteran via FA should the AR trade happen, but they do have almost all of their draft picks for the next 5 years...

Does anybody in their right mind think the Jets would go through all of this in acquiring AR only to leave his blindside unprotected?

How does a team with little cap compensate another team in trade for a Top LT? Draft picks. Players don't figure in as much as the dead cap hits compound their existing cap problems. They will figure out a way to make it happen.

That's why I've been thinking this could prove to be a blockbuster deal. We all know Aaron, and he's not going to want to go anywhere without Bakhtiari. True or False?

If Rodgers demands it, it's probably going to happen. We've learned this to be true.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:43 pm

"Does anybody in their right mind think the Jets would go through all of this in acquiring AR only to leave his blindside unprotected?"

Duane Brown is coming back to play LT. He played last season with a torn rotator cuff and still only surrendered 1 sack.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:13 pm

Duane Brown tore his labrum, played in 12 games with it in his 16th season, had offseason surgery on that shoulder, and is now looking to return as a starting LT.

Mekhi Becton blew his knee out in TC in 2021 and has yet to return. An avulsion fracture of his right knee cap. The Jets are not picking up his 5th Year Option for 2024. No news on Becton's prognosis for a possible return.

RT Max Mitchell? He was diagnosed with a severe, life threatening blood clotting issue... selected #11 overall in the 2022 NFL Draft.

What could possibly go wrong? LOL, dobs.

Not a lot of confidence there. Brown would be starting his 17th season.

ps. I find it funny that Tom Silverstein called out Bak today as being of great trade value to the Jets... just sayin'...

Lemme get this straight. We're talking about possibly trading away two superstars at the most important positions on any NFL team in Aaron Rodgers & David Bakhtiari?

And, we walk away with our junk in our hands? Uhhhhhhh, no.

We just restructured the bejesus out of everybody, except Bakhtiari. Jon Runyan in last year of his deal... not extended... The Jets would gladly take 2 OL off our hands and would pay handsomely for that in draft picks.

You just can't make this shit up. Oh, yeah, and even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. (Clears throat) Ahem! Now, where are my glasses?

ROFLMAO. ;-)

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:00 pm

I can agree to the draft priorities, but not the free agents. I don’t see the point in overpaying mid-level players unless youre trying to go all in

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:07 am

Al, thank you again on well rounded article.

I would like to know what do you think about Jimmy Ward from 49ers and if there enough salary cap space to eventually sign him. He is projected to get 2 years ~15 mill $. What do you think, is he worth that money?

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:01 pm

I think he is too old for where the Packers are now in the team building process

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:00 pm

I just thought to get one experienced and good safety, as looks like safety are not that good in this draft class. He is big enough to help against run if needed, too.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 06:36 pm

He would be a placeholder type pick up if we did. It’s possible that we have to go that route. I’ve seen Ward touted as an option if we do.

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PatrickGB's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:08 am

Yes, I am also surprised by the RAS score’s rising almost every year. Yet it makes sense because college football players are beginning to train for it. Of course, things like size can’t change.. But certainly other “skill” tests can be improved. I figure that if athletes can be trained in a sport, they can also be trained in the combine. These things are only a clue to a player’s potential in the NFL.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:10 am

I wish the bomb would go off too. Until it does, I will be worried that Rodgers will throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing. If there is a way to torpedo the works, Diva will find a way, especially if it maximizes attention.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:03 am

Do you have nightmares of Rodgers?

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:13 am

Tick, Tick, Boom?
We will see what really happens. The last report I saw last night was that this is purely based on what Rodgers wants to do. That if he wants to leave he can, if he wants to stay he can. Not sure what is true, but that was the last thing I saw last night.

Relative Athletic Score (RAS):
I know Gutey values RAS. The few players he went away from that metric the players struggled. I would anticipate whoever the packers take in the first round, they will have a RAS score of 9 or higher.

I've previously stated how much I think the Packers' could use a player like Brian Branch.
Branch didn't have a great combine, but hopefully he can improve that at his pro day.

More Combine:
We really need help at DL and EDGE. so hopefully they can grab a couple of these guys.

2023 Tackle Prospects:
I haven't looked at the OT prospects much yet. But I will say I think the Packers set themselves up pretty nicely at OT last year. They brought in Tom, Walker, Jones, Tenuta. All of which have a chance to be a starter going into this year. They could resign Yosh also. And if they had to, they could put Jenkins back outside. They will definitely be drafting OL this year. They draft at least 1 every year and each of the last 3 years they drafted 3.

Finally, this is interesting from a guy who knows a little about quarterbacks:
I saw Martz talking. Its very good to hear and optimistic. I will just say though, that it felt a bit over the top. But its good to hear how others feel about Love.

As fo the Draft Guide:
Easier is better.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:23 am

"We will see what really happens. The last report I saw last night was that this is purely based on what Rodgers wants to do. That if he wants to leave he can, if he wants to stay he can. Not sure what is true, but that was the last thing I saw last night."

Well I just heard that ACR welcomed Jets delegation at the Airport. It also says something. And he did not send them home, but have, I suppose, pleasent evening in talk with them.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:41 am

Yeah, its hard to know what really is going on. But I saw the Jets left last night to go back to NY, and now its all up to Rodgers.
Only time will tell what will happen.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:19 am

I agree with you. It is very likely that all that noice come with the trade at the end, but with ACR you never knows.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:22 am

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Rodgers is back in GB this year. It wouldn't surprise me if he was traded. It wouldn't surprise me if he retired. I really think all these options are on the table.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:50 am

I can agree with you, but I would like to add that all those talks with Jets have some leverage. As I understood Packers gave approval to both sides to talk, not about weather or global warming. It talks clearly that Packers are ready to make a move.

I believe Packers are looking the way to make that possible with as low PR damage on all sides as they can. Also, there must be some kind of conversation between Packers and ACR about that situation. I doubt that they would give permission to anybody to talk about trade with ACR without his nod.

He said he do not want to play for team in rebuilding and Packers have no other option than to do that.

But, complicated fella... you never know what he will do.

And I strongly believe he will play at least another 2 years.

Only when I can see where we disagree are the motives of ACR. I, also, trully believe does not think about wellfare of Packers. And I can accept I might be wrong...

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:09 am

I will agree with you on the GB side, that they seem more willing to let Rodgers go then anytime before. Before they said no.

I completely agree with you on the Packers side as well about trying to move along without PR damage. Just like last year with Adams. They took almost no PR damage because it was all on Adams. Adams wanted gone so they traded him for him. They took almost no heat for that.

I disagree about the rebuilding thing. I don't think this team is as far off to say they are in full rebuild mode. Also comparing the Jets to the Packers, what does the Jets have that GB doesn't have?

I also agree with you that he will play 2 more years.

I think Rodgers is more looking out for himself. He has been trying to use his leverage to the fullest. To be fair, I don't blame him. Most of us would do the same thing.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:53 am

x

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:58 am

They left this morning early from reports I’m seeing. Spent the afternoon and evening with him reportedly.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:16 am

I would like sometimes to be shapeshifter. You know. Form yourself as fly and hide behind curtains and listen.

After meeting or socializing ends hour or two place the "insider twitter post" what was discussed and what was result.

My God. It would be easy to screw any deal with one post...

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:09 am

RC....I liked Love out of the draft. Never had a problem with drafting him after Rodgers with some injuries, had a couple of sub-Rodger like years. Of course, what do I really know about rating QB's. It's exciting to see someone like Martz, who directed one hell of an offense speak so highly of him. I agree with his analysis, not because I'm a homer, which I am, but because everything he said makes sense to me. It's also what I've seen when he plays. I've seen him get better with each opportunity to play. That's really all you can ask for because it's extremely rare that you can predict the future stardom of a QB after a few games or a season.

What I do know, is drafting in general, especially QB's is a crap shoot. NFL is so different from college. That is why Ron Wolf and his successor TT to a lesser extent drafted QB's most every draft. Not much in the early rounds, but mid to late to see if they could get a diamond in the rough and develop them. Which they did with some really good success. This happened even in Favre's glory years.

This whole thing is so eerily similar to Favre. Although, unlikely, hoping for a similar outcome, other than the draft picks obtained for trading Favre.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:21 am

Murf -

My only problem with drafting of Love was the timing. I just didn't think timing was right. But in turn it did help Rodgers in someway turn in back to back MVP seasons. So that was a good thing.

The draft itself is crap shoot. Its all about projecting. Its about seeing what a guy may do in the future. Think of some of the HOF types of players that lasted until the final few rounds. Every year it happens. Sometimes its just being at the right place at the right time. The player having the right coach or the right scheme. Sometimes it works the opposite ways. But thinking about back to when Rodgers was drafted. He came to GB and sat behind Favre. Alex Smith went to GB and played right away. Would Rodgers have had the career he had if he went to the 49ers? I don't think so. He needed the time to develop. Hopefully the same thing happens with Love. But some times players need that development time.

This is eerily similar to Favre. And of course the Jets are the team coming after our QB. so many parallels. its crazy.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:20 am

RCP Fan, Packers were not party in Jordan Love's decision to be part of the draft. And what I found out on the net, he had very high opinion from a lot of experts. Only remark was that he need additional time to develop, but he has very high ceiling, that high as very few QBs have.

No matter what you are not passing that kind of opportunity when is step in front of you!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:10 pm

There's no such thing as good timing when you're drafting a hall of fame quarterback's replacement. Whether they did it in 2020, 2021, 2022, or this year, it was always going to complicate things between Rodgers and the front office. There's just no way around it.

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greengold's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:23 am

"That is why Ron Wolf and his successor TT to a lesser extent drafted QB's most every draft. Not much in the early rounds, but mid to late to see if they could get a diamond in the rough and develop them. Which they did with some really good success."

I've thought about this often, and I can't help but think it was Mike Holmgren who made 1992's R9 Ty Detmer, 1993's R5 Mark Brunell, and 1998's R6 Matt Hasselbeck such great NFL QBs, and trade commodities for the Packers.

Luck is certainly involved too, as no one remembers QBs Ron McAda, nor Kyle Wachholtz, nor Jay Barker from Ron Wolf's GM tenure.

But, luck doesn't deliver what Holmgren was able to, to help guide each of Detmer/Brunell/Hass into legit starting QB prospects in the NFL.

The number of swings and misses is telling of Thompson's tenure. Aaron Rodgers literally fell into his lap as his very first NFL Draft Pick as a General Manager, in 2005. After that one? Yeeesh:

2006 R5 Ingle Martin
2008 R2 Brian Brohm
2008 R7 Matt Flynn
2012 R7 BJ Coleman
2015 R5 Brett Hundley

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:53 am

I wouldn't say that Matt Flynn was a miss for Thompson though. Flynn was actually a great find as a 7th round pick. But very true about the other QB's.

And then there was the very first big move made by Gutey. The Deshone Kizer trade. He traded Damarious Randall for Kizer. They did swap their 4th and 5th round picks so the Packers got higher picks that year.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:06 am

The coaching staff wanted Randall gone. He got something rather than nothing through a cut. In those circumstances I’d do the same every time. He also was willing to cut bait on Kizer for a UDFA. I’m not going to criticize him for any of that.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:19 am

correct in the way of that I agree with that. They got something vs nothing. I didn't track down the draft picks to see what we got vs what the Browns got, so maybe we bettered ourselves there too.

But the evaluation of Kizer was off too. I remember there was talks that they were very high on him and considered using a draft pick on him. That part was the bigger concern then anything.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:56 am

Flynn was a very good value pick up. Had his elbow held up he may well have had a long career. Brohm was a rancid choice: the anti-Rodgers. Because of Flynn and the level of investment, I’d say we came out even. I’d say Wolf came out well ahead. The guy was simply good at spotting QB potential.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:23 pm

Was it him, or Holmgren ?

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 07:37 pm

I suspect both had their value. I don’t think it was alm Holmgren, though he had a lot to do with post acquisition success obviously.

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:18 am

Also, in 1999 in the fourth round they selected Aaron Brooks. In 2000, they exchanged two players and received a 3rd round pick from the New Orleans Saints. Wolf did seem to have a real ability in distinguishing QB talent.

I'm a believer of drafting QB's often, especially in the mid-late rounds. I did a study, and the interesting thing I found out is if you go back since 1990 or so and look at what Franchises drafted the most QB's you will find GB, NE and Pittsburgh as leaders in that category. Coincidence? I don't think so.

I disagree with the notion Rodgers fell into his lap. Yes, it was a draft anomaly as he was expected to go higher. Others didn't draft him, but he did. There were reasons others didn't. He could've just as well passed on him like his prior peers did. So, I give credit where credit is due.

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jlc1's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:34 am

Tick, Tick.. Boom? Al (La Bohemian) you can pay the Rent for years with that one. Nice.

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PeteK's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:36 am

--Interested in the return for AR, should be nothing less than a 1 & 2. Also, confused on the cap situation of a trade.
--TE, DT,S/CB--IMO are what we need the most. My main draftee is Myers, he reminds me of Andrews. Always like a TE that can block and make the possession catches to move the chains.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2023 at 01:51 pm

I hope they trade away a boatload of draft capital and take him. He has heartbreaker written all over him.

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Razer's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:43 am

Unless the RAS score is tempered by football sense it amounts to athletic guys making the wrong decisions or making them too late. Some of the Packer draft philosophy needs to change if we are to improve. All our WRs do not need to be 6-3, long striders - some quickness might be nice. All our linemen don't need to be former tackles. A few road graders might open more holes. And, for the love of God hire a scout that knows something about TEs.

At this point I don't care about the Aaron Favre drama. His contract handicaps the team and his play isn't going to get us near the top. Get Love some more weapons (true slot WR, stud TE and another RB) and lets go.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:13 am

Aaron Favre. That's awesome...good one!

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:53 am

Loved the Martz comments. Got me thinking…not to jump the gun, but what do you guys think the Jets will be willing to trade for Jordan Love in 2040? His value will be high coming off 16 straight winning seasons and multiple Super Bowl MVPs.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:12 pm

Lolz

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x24's picture

March 08, 2023 at 08:54 am

Anybody out there willing to share a refresher on what it will cost the Packers to deal Rodgers, by date?

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:05 am

This is a quote from TGR on this site. Nobody does it better (sorry James Bond):

“If traded in March, the Packers would take a $40.3M dead money charge, which means their cap space would be reduced by $8.7M. This is the most likely trade scenario because the acquiring team would want Rodgers to attend all of the off-season activities and get the play book to him as soon as possible. If the trade could be delayed until June 2nd, then the dead money hit in 2023 would be $15.8M and $24.48M in 2024. Instead of losing $8.7M in cap space the Packers would gain $15.77M for 2023.”

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:33 am

Coldworld, from where that come 58 and something mill $ fully guaranteed if ACR play with Packers this season. If his salary is only 31.6 mill $, those 40.3 mill + 31.6 mill $ is 71.9 mill $.

And, confirmed by TGR, what you pay, you have to count towards cap. How you got that low 60 mill $ than?

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MainePackFan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:07 am

croat, if they trade AR, they are trading the 59M contract along with him. The 40.3M is dead cap hit from the prorated signing bonus money already paid to AR.

The $31.6M is the cap hit if they keep him. If they trade him, the 31.6 M becomes part of the 40.3 dead cap. Hence the 8.7M it reduces the cap space by in 2023 if he is traded.

Hope that helps.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 08, 2023 at 10:11 am

OK, I got it. Thank you!

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x24's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:46 am

Thanks!

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 08, 2023 at 02:34 pm

Do we know when the Jets and Packers can even announce a trade legally?

Do they have to wait another week until the New League Year starts?

I'm sure I knew at one time, but am not willing to Duck Duck Go it... ; P

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:14 pm

Delete

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Ima Payne's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:01 am

Theoretically they could have agreed in principal orally yesterday but cannot announce any deal until March 15th but that more then likely didnt happen. Maybe Rodgers wanted to know how much control he was going to have or not have and didnt like what he heard? Who knows.
I dont see the Pack getting a lot for a 40 year old QB who's seen his better days a few years ago. Maybe a 1 pick maybe not. Maybe Rodge is just screwing with the Jets making it look like he is interested.
I still think he wants to stay a packer and finish out this season and then golf mania after that.

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murf7777's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:50 am

"I dont see the Pack getting a lot for a 40 year old QB who's seen his better days a few years ago."

In 2 out of the last few years he won two MVP's. Are the people who voted him that status all wrong?

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:42 pm

GMs don’t buy yesterday if they want to survive. The buy tomorrow.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:08 am

To be honest I would prefer a metric that balances the RAS with the Wonderlic. I think we have seen many cases of 1000 dollar bodies with a 2 cent brain. Wonderlic and intelligence may not matter as much in certain positions, but somebody playing Safety or ILB who is quarterbacking our defense I think that it means quite a bit more and should factor in our decision making rather than just how they test physically. Branch based on his game film looks like a smart guy who happened to perform lousy in his underwear test.

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2023 at 11:35 am

The Wonderlic isn’t a great indication of football instincts. No ‘paper’ test is. That’s something only scouting can tell. It does give some insight into the ability to pick up playbooks and the like, which is why it’s most used with QBs and sometimes centers. There are hall of fame types among the worst scorers.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 08, 2023 at 03:15 pm

Thats what film is for.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

March 08, 2023 at 09:23 am

One thing I am interested in is how a trade would impact Lafleur. We know that Aaron performs better with a chip on his shoulder and people questioning his abilities. Without Rodgers, Lafleur will be now have to answer to the critics that any of his prior success was based on having a Hall of Fame QB. Will this push him to be better? Will he wilt under the pressure? Will we finally see what his true offense is supposed to look like? Who knows, but no doubt Aaron leaving will put a lot more accountability on the coaches and management.

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