Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - There's No Time Like Overtime

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

About Time for Overtime - Call me a fan of the new overtime rule change. In the playoffs only, each team will be guaranteed one possession on offense. While I'm not necessarily a "let's make everything always equal for everybody" type of guy, to think that you can lose a playoff game on the flip of a coin has always seemed like insanity to me. And for everyone saying, "so just stop them on defense if you don't want to lose," I would agree with you if the league hasn't slanted the rules so much in favor of offenses. It's not an even playing field, as you saw in the Chiefs - Bills playoff game, which became the impetus for this rule change.

WR Mania - Every year, there is a "crisis" position group that gets everyone a bit crazy, but the Davante, MVS, and EQ exits have brought this year's edition to new levels. Every day that goes by without a free agent WR signed just increases the panic level and puts drafting WRs firmly in everyone's crosshairs. I mention this because I just finished my Packers mock draft for the CHTV Draft Guide, and let's just say, I may have gotten caught up in the mania (BTW, one week left before the guide gets published and the pre-order price discount ends).

Drafting in Detroit - What a disappointment. What have they done to earn this gig? It's pretty obvious the NFL still doesn't believe Green Bay is "big time" enough.

But Yet, Soccer? - Now don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of soccer (hey, quiet in the back!). If I lived in Wisconsin, I would go to this in a flash. But I'm just wondering how many people like me there are in Wisconsin, especially around Green Bay, where American football is life. There are plenty of Midwest states that are big on soccer, but I don't see Wisconsin as being one of them. Am I wrong about this?

Paint it Black - Call me mildly surprised that the Packers did not bring back Henry Black on an exclusive rights tender. While Black had his faults, he did log close to 600 snaps last season, almost evenly divided between defense and special teams. His absence is one reason why I have the Packers taking a safety in the first 3-4 rounds this year.

Here a Ja, there a Ja, everywhere a Ja - Interesting comment from Gutey that Jaire Alexander will be matched up more with #1 receivers this season, following the receivers wherever they line up. Interesting more from a standpoint of that being something that would be determined by the coaches. Has he had conversations with them about 2022 scheme concepts (is that normal?) and if so, why would he announce it to the world?

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:27 am

Murphy taking control by having the Coach and Bean counter report to him is exactly what Lombardi and Wolf said they would not tolerate if they were to come to GB.

Name the only successful GB teams after the 1940's... right, the teams under Wolf (and his system) and lombardi.

Murphy is the team president and chairman of the BoD. His making more than the GM report to him gives the BoD control of football operations and that has spelled disaster in Gb since the dawn of time.

Likewise, the GM commenting on in-game strategy and player use is an abuse of authority and completely disrespectful of the coaches and their sphere of authority.

As for the head Football Coach...
MLF needs to be advocating for AR to be ALL-IN in building familiarity with his new weapons, not saying that the offseason is NOT needed by AR.

Last year was different. AR had all his weapons returning, they knew him - he knew them. Not so this year.

Tonyan has been absent for a year and there will be new faces that are expected to contribute right away in the WR room.

The OL will be relatively new together as well with Turner and Patrick gone.

The head football coach of the GBP needs to remove his lips from AR's ass and start acting like he gives a damn about WINNING and all it takes to do so at the NFL level.

LEAD, follow or get the hell out of the way!

The freaking wheels have come off in GB.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:04 am

Cuts straight to the heart of the matter. Our HC isn’t even running his own scheme…

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egbertsouse's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:25 am

But they do let him flap his arms.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:22 am

Unless you're incredibly stupid, you don't impose every details of "your" scheme on a team. You redefine your scheme to fit the talent on the team. He's done it at every stop, and had to make changes to the scheme due to injury in TEN and GB. And you better believe high level QBs have input into the scheme throughout the league, if that's the jab you're making. You think Brady runs Arien's personal scheme?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:21 am

First I admit that on this "forum" I probably have the worst knowledge about footbal. What I feel confidenr is my knowledge about team sports in general. Based on that, here it is:

"You redefine your scheme to fit the talent on the team."

You do not change your philosophy how you want your team to play. That philosophy is heavily conected with the sheme. It depends on your view of football as colective activity. Inside the scheme, you have a lot of different plays or actions. From moving w/o expected execution of play, but contributing on another way to play call (e. g. like blocking during run play) to situation to be planned target.
So, you do not change scheme but tailor your game plans to fit best to your players and to make problems to opponent.
Doing things opposite of what you believe always brings catastrophy. Proof: Packers last game as the latest proof. HC decided to go away from his philosophy of complexity from simplicity.

"And you better believe high level QBs have input into the scheme throughout the league,"

Every good idea from anyone who has to be included in forming game plan is always welcome. But, that ideas must suits the the scheme/philosophy that was trained and implementing into the team roster. If you become one dimensional and push just one opinion leads to catastrophy. Proof: Last Packers game this year & end of the last game year before.

"You think Brady runs Arien's personal scheme?"
Yes, I believe Tom Brady is clever enough to know that he is not neither HC or OC nor GM. Because of that I'm sure he is welcome to give his ideas and to participate in forming game plans as long as his ideas are in coordinance with team's scheme/philosophy. I can asure you that Bruce Arians career showed enough proof that he does not allow anyone to s*it on anyones jobs, including his.

I hope I answer your question.

Thank you.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:11 pm

Croat it is the original poster I have the issue with. It would be ridiculous to hire a Head coach who came in and tried to make a franchise QB play a scheme that did not fit the talents of the franchise QB. And if a major player is injured, you make changes not just for one game plan, for for the scheme, the way LaFleur did when the start TE in Tennessee was lost for the season the year before Matt came to GB.

Murphy hired a young OC as HC who had a scheme that fit perfectly for Rodgers, with lots RPOs and ways to scheme players open. All this has done is make LaFleur the winningest coach over the first 40 games of his coaching career. And LaFleur and Rodgers work together; same as Ariens and Brady do. I just don't see how that describes the wheels coming off the bus.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:31 pm

Oh, got it. LaFleur was brought in to run Aaron Rodgers' scheme. OK.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:43 pm

Well he’s not running the one we expected, or he didn’t last year.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 02:01 pm

Did he the year before? How about the year before that?

I’ve put much work into accepting what appears to be in front of us, to get in a decent headspace to embrace this season as best I can as a fan. I’m as skeptical as you about this resulting in ultimate success, but willing to push that aside to see what this management has decided to do, and how. We can only hope for the best outcome.

Being this bereft of receiving talent, given these previously known stakes seems to point to leadership. No?

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 05:45 pm

No. We hit illusion of complexity but we then left that in the rear view.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:14 pm

Deconstructed it is complex illusion.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:26 pm

The illusion of the illusion of complexity?

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 03:56 am

Delusions of illusion of complexity illusion confusion.

All joking aside, I’m pretty stoked about the many opportunities this team will have to add immense speed at WR in about 4 weeks. If we hit it enough early, could very well add 3 players with speed similar to, or better than, MVS’s 4.37.

Think about it. Last season, we didn’t have the personnel to run Jet concepts.

Adding that speed required to make Jet concepts a reality, and the illusion of such employed in system is pretty exciting. Imagine what that could do… Flanker. Slot. Split. All 3 capable of taking the top off a defense?

I see jockstraps littering Lambeau Field in a wonderfully random distribution.

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From my notes:

WR Velus Jones 5-11.5 203 4.31 Tennessee

Slot/KR/PR/Jet 6th year. 25 y/o.

14.7/att PR #3 in nation. 26.6/att KR #19 2 TDs. Bursts through lanes with speed you can’t teach.

3000+ KR yds with 0 muffs!

162 Tgts with only 9 drops with surest hands in class.

Clocked 2nd fastest time by offensive player at Senior Bowl at 21.75 mph.

Yet his play speed is quicker. Acceleration from line a sight to behold.

Routinely catches. Excellent body control, feet at sidelines.

Perfect #2 WR. Screens. 8.3 YAC

Needs work on routes. Choppy steps. So fast he rarely saw press coverage. Willing blocker w good contact balance.

Tough. Feisty. Playmaker.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 31, 2022 at 03:58 pm

Exactly what is your issue with winning 13 games 3 years in a row? You're just still mad about losing in the playoffs? Get over it. Only one team's fans go away happy. Except I'm happy for the great football I watched last year on both sides of the ball, despite the crappy result in the conference title game. Happy to see more good football coming up.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:41 pm

There would be some truth to your statement until you look at the players Gute has drafted. Hes drafted to fit Lafleur's alleged zone run west coast scheme but thats not whats happening on the field. Imagine drafting stud offensive linemen and stud running backs only to have your team throw 60% of the time with a weak receiving corp. This team's scheme hasnt been adapted to the talent on the roster, its been adapted to what crybaby 12 demanded. Its clear as day. There was almost no outside zone runs last year. It was almost exclusively RPO's with inside zone reads where Dillon was forced to just carry piles the few times he actually does get the ball. This offense could be an absolute juggernaut but 12 just refuses to drop the ego and relinquish control over the offense's operation.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 03:44 am

So very well said, RTS. Agree completely. Making the same mistakes while expecting different outcomes is starting to look like the norm from 12 & LaFleur when advancing is on the line. Also in the course of regular season games.

Nothing changes unless they both do themselves.

Matt LaFleur must lead the way. 12 might get another Super Bowl ring if he’d let him do just that, and stick to his plan.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 31, 2022 at 04:10 pm

It becomes tougher when the one guy who can take the top off the defense is out for the playoff game and the big RB goes down early. That puts some limits on your options in the game plan.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 05:44 pm

Correct. You then agree the Packers would be better off with - at least 2 WRs - who run as fast of faster than MVS’s 4.37 from 5 years ago?

1. Yes or no?
2. How many of them are there in this draft?
3. If we wait until #52, do you think AR will have trust in their abilities, being the maybe #13th best WR in the draft?

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Packers0808's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:44 am

When did the Packers hire a new GM and Coach all rolled into one? Did I miss something?

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:45 pm

The HC and GM should effectively be working as one entity in lockstep with each other. I think Gute and MLF share the same philosophy, but the guy they both answer to is making executive decisions about on-field operations and the future of this team.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 30, 2022 at 09:14 am

Gee, I must have missed something. The Packers are 45-19-1 since Murphy, Gutekunst, Mike McCarthy and Matt LF took over.

If you read your rant you would swear the team is 19-45-1.

What has happened over the course of the last few months is nothing short of miraculous from a salary cap standpoint. The cap is designed to make the weak strong and the strong weaker. While there is some concern for a few years down the road, the Packers got through the worst of it with only a few bumps and bruises. Ted Thompson would have flushed all but a couple free agents, if that. The team would have been gutted, but hey, they would have lots of (unused) cap room!

A draft pick and free agent here and there and guess what? That Packers are the odds-on favorite to win the division.

At some point the idea that the current arrangement has led to disaster has to leave. This team is pretty good and the current management set up has worked.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:23 am

yeah, that marvelous record post season is 2-4-0. So when matters the most.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:43 am

I guess Tampa Bay should have cleaned house again when they didn't win the Super Bowl again? How about New England?

It's the NFL. Remember your post someday in the future when the team is 3-13.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:13 pm

It is a major accomplishment to get to the post season, not to mention win there. GB has had some injuries affect their playoff games (Bakhtiari against TB and MVS and Dillon last year). Not excuses, but that definitely had an effect. Still doesn't mean the wheels have come off the bus, just b/c they lost a playoff game against one of the top teams in the league.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:36 pm

How many of those wins have come against hapless teams like the bears and lions? And while that record is stellar, it should be even better. This teams playoff record should be better. And they should have at least 1 ring over the last 3 years. But the offensive is soft and fundamentally flawed, mostly because 12 refuses to reliquish control in favor of running his predictable check with me on the fly nonsense that top defenses feast on in the playoffs year after year. Exactly why this team will never sniff another super bowl with 12. This team is what the '97 and '98 Broncos wouldve been if Elway ignored Shanahan's playcalling and refused to lean on Terrell Davis.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 31, 2022 at 12:02 pm

Perfect analogy.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 31, 2022 at 04:15 pm

They have won in many different ways during the Rodgers/LaFleur era. It is somewhat ridiculous to suggest they should have won more than 13 games given the NFL's entire set up is to create parity in the league. Two of their 4 losses were without Rodgers (or at least for most of the DET game). They could have easily been 14-3 if he'd finished that game. They were less than one score in their loss to the Chiefs, w/o their Hall of Fame QB. And they were points shy from the Super Bowl. I can't wait to see what you post when GB has no franchise QB and they run plenty of outside zones and go 3-14.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 07:50 pm

WestCoast,
I know where you’re coming from, and I think many others do too. We’re all on the same team here. Seems for us fans that we’re all just trying our best to figure it out.

Your last statement there is a bit of a mess. It begs a retort, but the tit for tat stuff is just that. There’s a lot of knowledgeable fans here, some simply with different perspectives.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:23 am

Hahahahahahaha. Yes, winning 13 games 3 seasons in a row with a back-to-back MVP on the team is the perfect definition of the wheels coming off. Ridiculous.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:44 pm

It’s not the definition of winning. Doing quite well at a huge cost now, possibly.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 31, 2022 at 04:16 pm

Winning is not cheap in the NFL. Never was, never is, never will be. It requires hard work and calculated risks, and plenty of luck.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 30, 2022 at 03:03 pm

So, to be clear,
You don't like the team's President.
You don't like the team's GM
You don't like the team's Coach
You don't like the team's QB.
and you have determined on March 30th that the wheels have come off in GB.

That sounds a bit negative. You're gonna be a lot of fun this year if the season goes like you seem to be anticipating it will :)

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:19 pm

I like the teams staff and players just fine.

As stated by others, winninig is the goal and GB has done a lot of that.

There have been very obvious brain farts along the way that have cost the team SB Championships (IMO).

THAT is what I am criticizing.

Our young HC has bent over a bit too far in accommodating the QB. Input - OK, direction? Im not down with that. Because... I like MLF and the scheme he has brought to gb.

It was a hybrid year 1, accommodating AR half-way.

It went more mlf in year 2 and viola - MVP for ar.

Last season was the last dance - lets get paid from AR and DA. Still no SB with tunnel vision and multiple gaffes by MLF costing the team in the playoffs.

If you cannot see warts, you are blind.

I want this team to achieve to its potential. I am not seeing that and the Management structure dictated by Murphy along with young coaching brain farts by MLF and a serious ego-selfish behavior by AR are the main causes IMO.

Injuries are also close in there, in both the TB game and the SF game, buT... overcoming those type of in-game challenges is what CHAMPIONS do, not stst monsters.

Its still a team sport, and i dont mean fantasy teams. Statistics are for losers, just win the damn games - WHEN IT COUNTS.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:27 pm

JB
"If you cannot see warts, you are blind"

You see warts, I see imperfections. You see brain farts, I see decisions that didn't work out,

You see a failure at QB, I see a HOF QB that gives us the best chance to win a Super Bowl.

You see the defining moment of playoff loss to SF as Rodgers not throwing to Lazard.

I see the defining moment as the special teams not doing their jobs.

You see an organization blowing up the future.

I see an organization that gets that we are not living in the 90's

Ultimately, we see this quite differently, and that's OK. One of us will be right, but neither one of us should be convinced that we are ;)

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:22 pm

Maine Pack Fan, I meant my reply to the entire thread that was interpreting my original post in terms that I did not intend.

Let me answer you specifically below...

You see warts, I see imperfections. You see brain farts, I see decisions that didn't work out,
This is simply semantics, same observations, different labels.

You see a failure at QB, I see a HOF QB that gives us the best chance to win a Super Bowl.
I never said he was a complete failure, just tha his selfish behaviors (IMO) cost the GBP SB opportunities. I said clearly that the GBP as structured has done a lot of winning of games, but I do not believe that the team has achieved their potential in any of the preceeding 3 seasons.

You see the defining moment of playoff loss to SF as Rodgers not throwing to Lazard.
I see 53 yards of offense in the second half of a playoff game AT HOME with his prefered receiver available for the entire game. I acknowledge the errors by other parts of the team as well as the injuries - Bakh, Dillon, MVS, etc as contributing factors. AR is the 2 time MVP and the highest paid player in NFL history. OVERCOME if you are indeed all that. He is not. He has NEVER risen to the occasion and carried the team to a championship. (BJ Raji vs chicago or we lose, Clay Matthews and Greg Jennings vs pitt or we lose)

I see the defining moment as the special teams not doing their jobs.
Each of the ST gaffes could have been easily overcome with ONE-1 TD drive by the last dance team in any of the 3 quarters of the game where they were kept out of the end zone..

You see an organization blowing up the future.
I see Murphy retiring in 3 years by club rule and I see him screwing things up royally trying to tell other professionals how to do their jobs and how to interact with each other instead of having the faith that he has placed the best candidates on the bus and letting them do their jobs. Murphy is the BOD, the BOD has NEVER driven the Packers to a championship. In contrast the BOD has seriously fucked up the GBP when they tried to run the football operations and IMO Murphy is doing it again right now in front of our very eyes.

I see an organization that gets that we are not living in the 90's
This deserves no response, a 90's reference is just too vague to rail against.

Ultimately, we see this quite differently, and that's OK. One of us will be right, but neither one of us should be convinced that we are ;)

You are right, we can see things differently and that is OK, I will gladly expand on my opinions when it seems that further discussion of the points is needed to peel back the layers and get to the true sources of the issues.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 04:22 am

I see unbridled Aaron Rodgers love. Remain calm! All is well! All is well……!!!!

Johnblood, you couldn’t have said it better. I’m not giving up hope that they see the error of their ways, and that either they change for the better, or the talent infusion supersedes their failures, to achieve ultimate success by miraculously bringing home another Lombardi Trophy.

I’ll continue to hope for the best.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 31, 2022 at 08:36 am

johnblood

"I see an organization that gets that we are not living in the 90's
This deserves no response, a 90's reference is just too vague to rail against."

My point is the salary cap didn't begin until 1994. It is a completely different animal in today's NFL. There was no salary cap floor in the beginning. Many teams were only spending 60-70% of their cap. In today's NFL I believe teams are required to spend 89%.

It stands to reason that by design, this would drive up player salaries and make it more difficult to stay under the Cap in todays NFL.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:54 pm

well. to be fair, i actually like the GM. i confess that i root for the uniform.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 08:57 am

Same here. I just think Brian Gutekunst might have handled many things differently if not for Mark Murphy.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 31, 2022 at 01:41 pm

Mark Murphy who has no business being involved in the operation of the football team. he's a politician, not a talent evaluator.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 31, 2022 at 04:23 pm

It's making a huge assumption that Murphy is involved in the operation of the football team. Besides, he certainly has the pedigree. He has been a Pro-Bowler, an All-Pro and a Super Bowl winner, along with getting a law degree AND an MBA. Then he was a director of athletics at the college level for over 15 years. There's no one saying he is the talent evaluator or that he is interfering with Gutey on that. But he is uniquely qualified to be the CEO of the team and to oversee the GM and HC.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:17 pm

With the whole "rodgers doesnt trust his receivers" motif alive and well for years now, theres absolutely no excuse for Rodgers to miss OTA's and Training Camp. He shouldve been working out with those guys all summer and at every OTA and Training Camp practice. But he wasnt, and his lack of faith in anyone not named Adams cost them yet another shot at the super bowl. He doesnt want to put in the extra work, but also thinks he has the right to point fingers. I wonder what his teammates think of him and his aaronstotle buttcleansing nonsense.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 31, 2022 at 04:25 pm

Rodgers played fine this year without being in the offseason program and he spoke highly of the WRs, including Lazard, MVS and even ESB. You're buying into media crap, not reality. Your anger over a playoff loss may be clouding your vision.

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stockholder's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:35 am

Flip of a coin. What about home crowd advantage? Let's just give it to the visitors first. No Ties! No clock! Wr Mania- Your best athletes are going to the WR position. Why shouldn't we get the jump on the best. Let's get Rodgers what he needs. It's Long Over Due! Drafting in Detroit. - Motown music. - Can you say at Last. Soccer- It's a kick. Black had to play. Savage has a bad back. Of course we have to draft this position again. Hopefully Gute won't trade up this time. Alexander can play everywhere. And he'll want to be the highest paid CB, or leave.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:38 pm

Black is no loss.

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Grandfathered's picture

April 03, 2022 at 10:03 am

I tend to disagree. Black was a good tackler. I also thought that Vernon Scott did well enough in the preseason and wanted to see him activated on gameday. I'm not surprised that Black did not get tendered because of Scott on the team, but maybe the Packers think that they can get back Black on the cheap. I think they nee3d experienced players on special teams, and Black was experienced.

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Oppy's picture

March 30, 2022 at 05:06 pm

The best athletes on a football field have always been the defensive backs.

When WRs can run those amazing routes while running backwards and reacting instead of dictating, then come tell me about how the WRs are the best athletes.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:40 am

In the past, I’ve agreed with Ask Vic’s statement “WR’s are a dime a dozen”. Great QB and OL will make most WR’s look good. It’s wise to invest a lot of assets there. In addition, there is so much WR talent coming out of college these days you don’t need to take them high. Sure, you might land a Jefferson or Chase, etc…but, those players don’t make you a consistent winner, they are the compliment, not the driving force of winning.

This year is different, we don’t have time to develop a WR. This year we have to be all-in on WR position and take one or even two in the first and second round where your chance of an immediate starter is most likely.

There are three positions I hope they take with the first 4 picks in any order. OT, WR & Edge. The draft is loaded where our needs are most. Can’t wait!

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egbertsouse's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:29 am

My two most favorite reads were Jersey Al and Vic before the wackjobs drove him offline. A breath of sanity in an obsessed fan world.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:40 pm

Vic changed everything about the way I view the game. Its tragic he shut his blog down for good.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:50 am

Question the validity of the Vic comments in today’s game, where passing AND receiving are paramount. This isn’t your father’s NFL.

Cupboards are bare at WR.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 09:57 am

GG…..No disagreement about where the game is today, that just validates my point.

if you don’t have a great QB and LT it won’t matter cuz you won’t have the time to get the ball to that great WR. Also, most QB’s will throw INT”s or fumble if you can’t stop the rush adequately. That’s why Vic states “dime a dozen”. Belechick and Brady proved that for years.

I didn’t agree with everything Vic stated, but I hold him in high regard as far as knowledge to the game of football. He was wise to preach there are only so many dollars to go around so invest those dollars wisely. He would state to put those monies into the QB, LT, Edge and CB first and foremost. You have to be able to protect the QB and rush the QB in todays game.

The Packers have been very wise to invest a lot of assets into the OL and QB.

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Since'61's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:30 am

greengold, I agree with you completely about Vic.

I've been reading Al's comments since 2010 when I joined Jersey Al's ALLGBP which was prior to the merger with CHTV. Al's comments have been consistently spot on during all of that time.

In fact it was Vic who drove me to look for another blog which resulted in my joining Jersey Al's ALLGBP. I found VIC to often be biased and inconsistent in his commentary often contradicting himself. Plus that blog has hundreds of commenters and comment just get lost in the sheer volume of comments and there is no sense of community over there like there was at ALLGBP and now at CHTV.

As fir the WR room, let's see where we are at when the preseason ends. Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:52 am

I called Vic a moron once. Later when he went off on his own he acknowledged that sometimes he had to pull his punches because he worked for packers.com. So some of his contradictions probably needed a pass.

I don't think WRs are a dime a dozen. That said, there are more tremendous athletes who are 5'10" to 6'3" than there are 300 pound guys or even edge-sized. From a H/W/S standpoint, there is more supply than for many other positions.

Still, the WR has to have hands. He has to be able to track the ball in the air. He has to have body control. He has to be able to run routes, give head fakes, cut sharply, and otherwise create separation. And he has to be where the QB expects because often enough the ball gets released before the receiver makes his cut. Probably more things than I have specified.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:45 pm

TGR.... so my question isn't do WR's carry value, how much is the question. More importantly, where do you want your large amount of SC assets spent? Decisions on what positions are priority have to be made because top teams in the NFL like Rams, KC, GB, TB, Pittsburgh and many others pay the top 5 players 35 - 50% of the SC allowance. That leaves 47 other players use the remaining cap.

Put your GM hat on. I'd spend it on the QB, LT, DL/EDGE and CB first and foremost. WR is important, but I'd argue not enough to be in the top 5 of your SC. That doesn't mean some teams don't due it but will they be consistent winners if they do? I'd bet not.

It is also the reason KC and GB decided to move on and trade the top WR to non-consistent winning teams like Miami and LV. The best Franchises (who win consistently year in and year out) put there SC dollars in the most important positions.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:46 pm

He was a PR guy working for the company newspaper. Great anecdotes of player s when they actually had a personality.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:41 am

It's like you and Vic are reading my mind this morning! It is about passing, and defending the pass, and that means protecting your QB and threatening theirs.

Regardless of who your QB is, he's going to do a better job if he has enough time. Rodgers has repeatedly demonstated that if he's given enough time, he can run the offense, move the ball, and score points.....REGARDLESS of who was playing and who was injured. Adams out for a couple of games? We're 6-0. Jones missing? No problem. Lazard, or MVS, or Tonyan.....we just keep rolling along on offense........as long as Rodgers has time. So absolutely yes on Oline.

At WR, I'm respectful of the Packers organizational history regarding taking WRs in the first round of the draft. The record shows that we've found numerous very good WRs on the second day of the draft, as have other teams in the league.

I'm not so certain we can't get enough production out of two second round rookies that it wouldn't balance out some of what we lost with Adams. I mean, theoretically, they each get about 35 or 40 snaps in a game, and if they each catch even three passes then that balances a little against the 10 that we'd get from Adams. Throw one more to Lazard. Run it one more time. Throw one more to the TE.

IMO, we're overconcerned with the hole that is left behind. Remember, it's not the size of the hole, it's the size of the shovel. And the Packers organization has a big, big shovel.

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PeteK's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:53 am

You might need a backhoe to fill the 1,500 yds and 11 TDs. Spreading the ball around and a healthy O line will certainly help, but WRs still have to get open. A WR in the 1st round is a given.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:45 pm

I can appreciate this, completely.

My only concern is the number of top talents that might be taken off the board should we wait. You like talking about those really smart people who wrote an article...

It was "Success or Bust: An Analysis of Draft Position and NFL Success," by Connor King, at St. John Fisher College.

“The results show 60% of 3-7th round WRs posted more successful statistical careers than the 1st and 2nd round sample of WRs.”

Done. Let's ditch WR from our first 4 selections.

Oh, wait. You mean Jeremy Maclin had Donovan McNabb in tumultuous years, with Andy Reid being run out of Philly in favor of Chip Kelly for his first contract, while R3 Mike Wallace had the steady Ben Roethlisberger at QB and Mike Tomlin at HC??? In the midst of two Super Bowl appearances? Those are very different sets of circumstances.

No variables? Injury? QBs? Coaching changes? etc?

So, "Success" as determined by this very smart Connor King, didn't factor anything like that into his formulas? Nope. Just receiving yards divided into years played. THAT was what success meant in his 'study?"

OK. But, let's base our draft plan in not taking WRs in R1, despite our need for them to be able to start at optimal proficiency as rookies, and wait until R2 or R3... because there are outliers to be had... in those last 5 rounds of the draft vs. the top two... according to a paper that some kid out East wrote. An undergraduate project...

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:48 pm

All you can do is the best you can with what the draft gives you. Cant completely rule anything out or in until the picks are made.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:37 pm

Exactly. The NFL Draft is one gigantic crap shoot.

Anybody here play craps? There is a strategy to it. You can know how to better your odds of winning, but nonetheless, it’s still a gamble.

There are no certainties. All we can do is use all we have and know through careful study, and hope for the best.

We do need OT. Another TE, another EDGE, another CB is always good, and then, I think we’re set. That’s 7 picks or so? We have 11, plus UDFA, where I think we do very well. Yosh is still exclusive rights…

We should be OK, but, the stakes are really high, given this crazy timetable, to maximize our talent adds next month. We can add WRs both early AND late. Just shotgun the shit out of the position. Maybe we take 5 WRs… 3 in the first 5 selections, then splash a couple more for good measure? That still leaves 2 more picks for use elsewhere or to add more OL depth. Keep all 11 picks and use them wisely.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 02:03 pm

Now, you're starting to look like your old self..., but the record shows they have let numerous pro bowl level WR talent pass by as they selected guys like Jamal Reynolds over Reggie Wayne. When they moved on two picks to stock the cupboard there were other contributing veterans already on the roster. Three wides minimum from this draft, two from the high picks.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 30, 2022 at 02:38 pm

Any time you protect an old man like AR, you're better off than letting him run for his life and/or get hurt, so drafting an OT in the 1st round if available might be the way to go.

On the flip-side, any time you can put pressure on the opposing QB, it makes getting off the field on 3rd down easier, so DL or Edge in the 1st round would not surprise me.

If we over-fill our holes in the OL/DL, maybe two 2nd/3rd round WRs can provide enough production at the WR position?

I'm going into the draft expecting Gutey to go OL/DL/or EDGE at 22 and 28 and if he surprises me, oh well, it wouldn't be the first time.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 03:41 pm

That’s it. I call it priority #1……keep Aaron Rodgers protected for 17 games, because I don’t see any path to the Super Bowl without him. That involves a lot of things, but there’s no substitute for getting guys blocked. I absolutely believe that Rodgers, Jones, and Dillon will have better seasons if they get good blocking. I’m all for improving it.

This offense excels at protecting the ball, controlling possession, and scoring points (usually). Feed that beast.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:48 pm

Now you're talking. Get them big guys. The offense as a whole will be better for it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:41 pm

Yes, Swann and Stallworth were dime a dozen guys....

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:48 pm

You know, jannes, they really were… and Antonio Freemans and Jordy Nelsons running around all over the fucking place.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:53 pm

That is why they were selected to the NFL Hall of Fame, just five and dimers....

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:48 pm

And neither were first round picks. Its almost like Vic's point of not overdrafting or overpaying for a receiver was correct.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 02:58 pm

Um, fyi… Jordy Nelson was the 3rd WR selected overall in the 2008 draft. There were ZERO WRs drafted R1 that year. Quite the anomaly.

Jordy was taken with pick #36. The point remains, if GB waits until #52 or #59, there will likely be close to 12 WRs taken before we get a shot. Go ahead everyone not wanting WR in R1,and count off your favorites. They will very likely be gone by #52. All of them. I’ve seen latest projections for 7 WRs being taken R1.

These teams, all of them reloading, and in need of WR have multiple R1s:
PHI (3) 15, 16, 19
NYJ (2) 4, 10
NYG (2) 5, 7
HOU (2) 3, 13
GB (2) 22, 28
KC (2) 29, 30

I’ll add, R2 WRs are not automatic slam dunks. Only 10 WRs were taken R2, which actually is a lot for that round, but ZERO taken R1. Only 1 WR had more rec yds than Jordy out of those 10, DeShaun Jackson. Next closest had a little more than half of what Jordy did.

6 out of those 10 WRs had LESS THAN 100 yds receiving, NOT for the entire season!… For their entire careers!! I believe FOUR of them had ZERO rec yds in their careers.

You can’t just puff out your chest and say, “I’ll grab two starters in R2!” After how many are gone???

We need 3 of the best we can add… 3 who can start. 3 who Aaron Rodgers will trust. 3 with SPEED! You think we can get that if we start taking them at 52???

1. What position does not have adequate starters?
2. Solve the problem

Are we seeing this situation clearly? It’s a passing league. We have a temperamental QB. He has a low threshold for errors at WR. We can’t be lining up just anybody. There’s so much more that goes into this. Clear heads and solid planning/research prevails.

For those in the back: JORDY NELSON WAS THE #3 WR selected OVERALL in 2008.

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Nate-1980's picture

March 31, 2022 at 05:52 pm

I can’t believe it, I completely agree greengold.. There is no time to develop only a three year window.. You can have average wr athletically if they’re good route runners and savy but most take YEARS to learn that and we don’t have that luxury.. Thats why you have to get one in the first and second at least if they’re not bringing in a fa.. Aaron needs weapons and getting the best chance of a wr ready out of the gate, is to use early draft capital.. We won the super bowl with arguably the best receiving corps in the league, and now we’re dead last in the league in that category.. It’s time to do what’s been needed for years and make a heavy investment..

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:51 pm

Tom Brady has won 6 rings throwing to absolute superstars like david patten, troy brown, deion branch, and julian edelman. Joe Montana won 2 rings before Jerry Rice was even drafted. Favre won throwing to Brooks and Freeman. Yes, dime a dozen.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:21 pm

Jack Tatum and George Atkinson sure thought so...

In Edisto SC someone just threw up in their mouth...

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:22 pm

Drafting a guy in the 1st round doesnt guarantee he develops any faster. The idea that they have to take a receiver in the first no matter what is just plain wrong. Its a mindset based on fear and its not going to make this team any better. I only prey Gute resists the urge to draft receiver high cuz hes going to need that restraint this year more than ever. Theres too many really good players to pass over for a receiver out of desperation. Get the big guys early then target guys like David Bell, Justyn Ross, Alec Pierce, etc in the 2nd round and beyond. The quickest way to improve the pass game is to improve the oline anyways.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 31, 2022 at 12:12 pm

Yes, like waiting for Jefferson, or Aiyuk.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:42 am

Johnblood27 nailed it. The wheels are off in Geebs. Leadership vacuum. And the #1 problem is Murphy, who learned NOTHING from his predecessor, Bob Harlan, who proved to be the best in the business.

Overtime rules? The NFL itself has a leadership problem. Now, in what they themselves turned into a passing advantage league, deem the unfair advantage forcing a change at all REMAINS in the Regular Season games??? They can’t get- anything - right. Officiating. Replay. NCAA seemed to have solved replay quite proficiently years ago. Coaching challenges??? It’s endless…

WR Mania is not mania if the shit is real. It’s real.

Safety is one dimensional after Hamilton in this draft. There are either hitters or ball hawks. Very few complete players with speed, hitting, TFL, ball skills, the whole package past Hamilton. Size? Dynamic physical traits? Good luck. Only one has arms longer than 32.5”. This will be interesting.

Jaire Alexander - Gutekunst comments unsettling because it’s out of his normal wheelhouse. Guessing it’s a prelude to his extension, and possibly a FA signing or trade for WR. whoosh.

Not sure FA (cost$$$) or trade (loss of draft capital) is smart rn. Any new WR, (vet, FA, or top draft pick) will involve a learning curve. Gutekunst getting too cute already. Unsettling. Love Jaire though 100%.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:29 am

Coming off 3 very successful seasons and 2 league MVP awards granted (that doesn't happen w/o a smart HC/OC who make the most of the QBs skills), exactly how have the wheels come off? They retained some top defensive talent and got a top return on a WR that would have left in fee agency anyway, leaving them with a 3rd round pick NEXT YEAR. So how exactly have the wheels come off? His comments indicate to me that the HC and GM are in constant communication, and that was the failure under Ted towards the end. He and McCarthy were not communicating and Ted wasn't getting McCarthy the players they needed to run their schemes. That's not happening here. There's communication and roster building and a lot of talent on the team.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:01 am

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get exactly where you're coming from. I miscommunicated there. Really meant in the FO with Murphy.

I just don't like his involvement overlording Gutekunst and LaFleur.

Apologies.

Leadership is vital to any organization, and that leadership from the top sets the tone all the way down. I don't see LaFleur having his complete freedom as a HC, nor Gutekunst as a GM. Murphy is too meddlesome for me, and threw some wrenches into the AR dealings, for years. Maybe I just got spoiled with Bob Harlan all those years of supreme professionalism and brilliance...

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croatpackfan's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:34 am

Mike Murphy was silent through TT era. He knew that TT would resing if he tried anything similar to what he did after Ted "retired".

I suspect he hold TT even when illness make job to heavy for TT. That gave him time to prepare this "new organisation".

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:55 pm

Because the salary cap is destroyed for this year and the foreseeable future, a hall of fame receiver just forced his way to another team, qb1 has effectively wrestled away far more control over things than a player should ever have, and the top brass appear to be at odds with each other over the future of this team. Yes, they keep winning a weak division, but thats not a huge accomplishment with the roster this team has. I hope thats good enough because i dont see this team winning another super bowl with 12.

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NickPerry's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:07 am

WR Mania... Include me being caught up in it. I've even allowed notifications on my phone in the event the Packers trade for or sign a WR in FA. I'm starting to wonder if Gute makes the trade on draft night. Whatever the case is, I like 2 WR's, 1 Edge, and 1 OT chosen with the first 4 picks. If you feel Yosh Nijam will be our RT of the future or Jenkins once healthy and you can wait a year for a Tackle, then Safety is a sneaky need. My hope was they'd extend Amos and for the life of me I don't understand why they haven't.

Questions for TGR... IF they were to extend Amos before the end of the season, do the "Void" years they've already put into his contract go away, or does the extension eat those up? I curious how that works.

When I heard Detroit was awarded the draft my first, second, and every thought after that was WHY? I mean this is a team that historically SCREWED up the draft almost every time. They've NEVER been in a SB, and they always seem to be drafting 1st or 2nd overall....Just why? GB would have been an amazing place to hold it. This NEEDS to happen for the Packers and city of GB sometime very soon.

I've been a big Gute supporter but that made no sense at all. I still think he's a pretty damn good GM and would be EVEN BETTER if Murphy was out of the picture. Boy do I miss Bob Harlan.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:52 am

Void years are replaced if the contract changes. The cap allocated to the void years would be accounted for as part of the new package. They would likely add new void years later, based on recent practice.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:10 am

Yup. As a note, Amos is under contract this year and has 4 more void years. So, an extension cannot generate more cap space (he is at the minimum). I guess they could convert his GA and WO bonuses to a signing bonus. $900K there, so I suppose they could get 900K/5 years = $180K proration; 900K - 180K =$720K in additional cap relief.

It is interesting that they didn't give Amos or Lowry extensions (they didn't need to because for Amos anyway because they got all the cap relief that was available through a restructure).

Now Lowry is under contract for this year and THREE void years. So, four years to amortize a restructure into. But they are allowed to amortize over 5 years. To add an extra void year, they need Lowry's consent. The difference btw 4 and 5 year amortization is $194K. Not sure why they have left Lowry's deal alone. Wondering if they have auto-conversion rights.

I am sure both Amos and especially Lowry would prefer extensions. Both will just a year older in 2023 and assume the risk of injury by playing in 2022 without an extension. Lowry is coming off his best season. Amos has put up two consecutive very good seasons, though 2020 probably was better than last year. And it could be that they are betting on themselves to have another fine or better year: young athletes seem prone to bet on themselves (that's why they have agents).

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:39 pm

Amos, Lowry, Clark, Bakh, and Jones are all almost certainly gone next year. Bakh might even be a post june 1st cut this year.

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stockholder's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:12 am

Detroit why? Ever heard of the Bobby Lane Curse?

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Ya_tittle's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:30 pm

I miss Harlan too. Murphy is a moron.

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Ya_tittle's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:30 pm

I miss Harlan too. Murphy is a moron.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:02 pm

Murphy is a power hungry moron, if he's a moron. he seized power in the vacuum. he is our defacto owner. he wanted goodell's job, but that is unobtainable, so he grabbed all the power in GB. The board really let fans down.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:29 pm

Succinct and right on point.

It needed to be said twice!

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:32 pm

I will say this, Murphy has had his issues including allowing TT to drive while dingy as well as the restructure allowing himself, effectively the BoD, to control football operations, but he has had some good points to his tenure as well.

He is not a moron and he has not been ALL bad. Titletown is a good point, even the sledding hill, although I do use it as the butt of jokes a lot, it is an easy target for some comedic relief!

Right now, i would applaud if he retired early.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:37 pm

Same reason there will never be a super bowl in GB....not enough hotels. The Draft is a huge event that brings in a ton of people. I doubt it will ever be in GB. Plus, Lions are a poverty franchise in a struggling city. They need the fanfare to bring some excitement to their team and city.

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dobber's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:13 am

Henry Black is a dime a dozen. Utterly replaceable. Glad he'll have a chance to go find a job somewhere else rather than having to become a PS afterthought after being outplayed by a promising younger player and cut in camp.

OT---just win in regulation, baby.

Jaire is going to get paid, and if he wants the big $$ he's got to cover the $$ receivers. Maybe Stokes shows he's just as capable against prime time guys and it becomes less of an issue, but we knew the Barry defense in its LARams edition likes to follow the top WR with Jalen Ramsey, so this should come as no surprise in GB--especially with Douglas back (who I think will be asked to play more S looks--segue to initial Henry Black point--this year to get the better DBs on the field).

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:53 am

I’d like to see Douglas play the Sullivan role as a default, but I do think his ability to tackle and size could expand upon that. Let Savage play deep more. He’s better there.

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:32 am

I've thought for some time that safety is a significant need for the Packers in this year's draft. They have no one behind Amos/Savage (before or after letting Black go) and since Amos only has one year remaining on his contract, a reinforcement is necessary. I expect the Packers to draft a safety somewhere in the first four rounds.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:29 am

Studied this group last night. Sadly, this is not the draft to get a really good Safety who is dynamic and can do it all - at the Pro level. There might be a handful that I would want us to draft, if that.

If you want a thumper who can sniff out run stop, those are plentiful.

If you want a ball hawk, there are some.

Speed? Range ability? Tough sledding, if you want both run stop and ball hawking. Maybe a handful.

Dynamic physical traits? Not really save for a couple outside of Hamiton.

Here's what we have:
S Adrian Amos
S Darnell Savage

S Shawn Davis 5-11 190 Florida
S inns Gaines 6-1 202 TCU
S Vernon Scott 6-2 202 TCU

***** I might mention here, a player I absolutely LOVE, on our active roster, is:

ILB/S Ray Wilborn 6-3 230 Ball St.
This guy is an all-out BALLER with size, length, speed and insane toughness. Great in coverage. Great in run stop.

Guarantee he would be an R1 this year as a S hybrid. Ray made the PS/roster/IR (?) last year - bouncing around for protection. That's how much they like him. I firmly believe he is a special, special player, and man, if they get him up to speed with Jerry Gray as a full-time S... LOOK OUT!

Because of this, I'm not worried about S at all this year. Especially if we have a healthy Vernon Scott.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:03 am

I agree Guam, but you must ask the question, is it more important than Edge, WR or Tackle? What if we lose an edge rusher? They also need to be spelled during the game, so you need more than 2 good ones. I suspect Safety will be addressed in the 4th round or later, possibly multiple times. I like Nick Cross.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:23 am

I like Jonathan Garvin. I like Tipa Galeai.

We also have on our roster:
EDGE Ladarius Hamiton 6-2 261 out of North Texas. In 4 years there he had 122 Tackles, 28.5 TFL and 16 Sacks.

Eh... We'll get EDGE help in this draft to add to the good players we have. EDGE is at least 4 deep in GB with quality players, and it challenges OT for the deepest talent pool in this draft.

I have to say, Nick Cross is a good Safety prospect for 2022, and might be top 3 in my book from this draft. I do like him.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:46 pm

Garvin is possibly a decent 4th, though he faded badly. Galeai might have a coverage role but gets manhandled rushing.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 02:29 pm

Tipa is a third down guy. Garvin is young and can be a backup. Edge guys can be had in Rd three. A guy like Winfrey can control the run and pressure the QB from the five-six tech and go DE. There are options beside stand up guys. Alex Wright is a project to look at out of UAB. Brandon Smith from Penn State is a multiple role LB.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 03:21 pm

That's asking a lot from a late 3rd round draft pick. Rarely, do you find Edge rushers from late in the 3rd round and make a major difference. I don't know these players other than some write ups and I seriously doubt they will be much of a difference in year 1. IMO, there quite a drop off in talent more projects after round 2.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 06:18 pm

KGB fifth round.

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PeteK's picture

March 31, 2022 at 08:02 am

Zadarious 4th round.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 06:09 pm

Charles Haley R4
James Harrison UDFA
Clyde Simmons R9
Dexter Manley R6
Richard Dent R8
Deacon Jones R14

There’s way more…

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:51 pm

You must pressure the QB I only see small amounts of potential with Garvin and Galeai. North Texas, who do they even play?

You need pressure now from top talent that played against top talented OL. We don't need projects right now. There is a lot of DL talent that will have far more potential in the first two rounds of this draft the three of them together:)

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 31, 2022 at 12:21 pm

I like a free agent like Ingram or even Barr.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:36 pm

Dont forget our #3 from last year that got injured in camp.

Randy Ramsey will be back this year.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 31, 2022 at 01:21 pm

Wow, the Ramsey hate is palpable in here...

...or maybe its just the JB27 hate carryover effect...

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 06:13 pm

I really like Randy Ramsey. Size, speed, + coverage… great depth.

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:23 am

Because of other priorities and the fact that this is a poor draft for safeties, I doubt they will take one high. However by the fourth round I hope to see them take a safety that doesn't have to be great this year, but has a high ceiling for development, can play ST and pick up a some snaps this year.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:30 am

Those guys are there, Guam.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:15 am

I keep taking Dax Hill at #28 in my mocks. He's usually there, near the top of the board. A real good player at Michigan.

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 01:58 pm

Wouldn't mind that happening even though safety may not be the highest Packer need. Probably the best safety available this year.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 03:33 pm

I really like Dax too, LH, but there’s no way I’d take him that high. Doubt the value would be better than what we already have. I think there are 3 or 4 Safeties I found in the entire group that I might consider.

Check out S Kerby Joseph from Illinois. Optimal, no. Really, super indicative of this class. But, 6-1 205 33” arms 10.25” hands… some stuff to work with. Instincts are questionable, but makes some plays.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 31, 2022 at 12:28 pm

He is always around the ball at least and a run stop guy recruited by Lovie. Brisker is the unanimous All-Big Ten guy.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 03:24 pm

LH, why not DL/Edge, that is one of the strengths of this draft. We have to pressure the QB. There's still serious talent at the end of round 1. Not so sure about safety.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:27 pm

Because we have nothing at safety behind our starters, and I think Hill would have more impact than any Edge available at that spot.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:39 pm

Maybe drafting Hill would spur Savage to WAKE UP and play to his capabilities.

I am majorly down on Savage after last year.

I want him to use all of his plentiful talent and become as great as I have always thought he could be.

I am just disappointed in him to this point.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 31, 2022 at 12:31 pm

Maybe they trade him during the draft?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:15 am

Although Henry Black escaped a rant, he was close to earning one. In terms of categories, replacement is too kind. I include the Reject category, and placed him firmly in that space. Since he was an ERFA and cheap, it appears that the FO agreed.

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PeteK's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:59 am

Dob, hope you're right. He had 15 ST TKLs, the leader Gray from NO had 19.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 31, 2022 at 01:29 am

That's a good point.

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 02:09 am

Now, released into the ether…

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 30, 2022 at 02:36 pm

Stokes shut down the 'Bama guys. Wish they would have bagged his running mate in last year's draft, but they needed Myers.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:13 am

I will always wonder if MVS' catch rate would have been better if AR had put in more work in the off-season with him to better get in rhythm with his speed. Maybe we will see in KC. If not, then MVS was not worth the money KC paid him. Pick two out of three: (1) Rodgers; (2) Adams; (3) the D. Yeah we have some hopes on the team at WR, and nothing sure.

I'm sure Coach B took a good look at his special teams assets and didn't want Mr. Black back. If Coach B had wanted an ERFA back I'm sure he would have been.

Bayern Munchen, in Green Bay? Yeah, I'm not a soccer fan at all, but if this is the match-up I think it is then that is a marquee game - albeit an exhibition game. Soccer has grown everywhere. Kids are growing up playing soccer. My next door neighbor's house was TP'd yesterday because his daughter made some soccer team. I don't know squat, but it is coming in like the tide. Even in Wisconsin.

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dobber's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:20 am

People who didn't grow up in WI don't realize how big youth soccer is, especially in Madison, the Fox valley, and the MKE burbs. It's huge...as big as most other suburban areas in the country despite having to finish in crappy November weather (for the HS season). Traveling teams are bigger than youth hoops or baseball/softball these days. This is a huge cash cow for the GB area based on restaurant, hotel, concession, and souvenir sales...largely due to people under 18.

Not surprised that they'd bring an exhibition to the marquee sports venue in the state.

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:22 am

Not entirely due to young people Dobber. There are also a number of older folks like myself who lived overseas for a fair chunk of my adult life and picked up a love for soccer. While football is still #1 for me, I often tune into the Premier League games when available. I suspect I will be in GB for that marquee soccer matchup.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:55 pm

Just remember, it’s a preseason exhibition. Soccer teams play a lot of those and often the stars are absent in favor of under 23s and reserves mostly.

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 02:00 pm

Yeah, but it will still be better than anything in the MLS.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 05:50 pm

Lol, yes

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:06 am

Dobber, For years now I’ve gelt Soccer will take over Baseball in popularity someday. I’d give it 10 to 20 years yet thou.

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Oppy's picture

March 30, 2022 at 05:08 pm

Mark, I personally would have picked 1 out of three, and I really like Kenny Clark.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:16 am

No to attending soccer at Lambeau Field for me, Al. I have season tickets and did attend the (fantastic!) McCartney concert in the shrine...but soccer is not one of my preferences. Boring, IMO.

Lots of grade school kids do play the game and it is popular that way. But it fizzles out as football, baseball, softball, basketball, volleyball, wrestling etc take over.

I was not surprised about Black leaving. I liked his play in the preseason...but more he was on the field, the more he floundered being out of position and missing tackles. He did not cover receivers well at all.

Fortunately the DB class this year is fairly deep and are really productive college safeties in the the first 2 days.

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Savage57's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:43 am

Did you see my earlier reply about the Packers website and a new, independent one that's been developed to replace the comments?

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JerseyAl's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:52 am

what are you referring to?

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:43 pm

Nice way of saying - "Huh?" Al!

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calabasa's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:06 am

Still kicking myself for missing McCartney! Definitely taking the family to the soccer game. Going to be epic!

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egbertsouse's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:21 am

I live in MN (but close to the WI border) and all kinds of people here are soccer nuts. My sister lives in Madtown and there are a ton of soccer fans. I don’t know about NE WI and the Foxy Valley but all my friends’ grandkids in Oshburg and Fondy play in soccer leagues.
My soccer knowledge consists of watching Ted Lasso.

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mrtundra's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:14 am

I live in Wisconsin, close to the Minnesota border, and soccer is big here, in Wisconsin, with the kids. Across the border, they added a pro soccer team, in what I believe is an attempt to have a better chance of winning a championship, in some/any sport, there. The more sports teams in your State, the better chance one has to win an actual championship, seems to be the thinking there. It's been 30 plus years since the Twins won the World Series and they do not appear to be headed back there, anytime soon. The vikings? Never gonna happen. The Minnesota Lynx, their WNBA franchise, was in the championship game and won it, but no one saw that game on TV as the game was pulled off the air so they could air a poker tournament. The Wild are a nasty, in your face, hockey team but seem to fall short of the Stanley Cup, each year. Does Wisconsin want a pro soccer team? Maybe. I'd think they'd prefer a pro hockey team, before a soccer team, but are not allowed to have one due to the whole Blackhawks' owner debacle over TV rights for Blackhawks' broadcasting area rulings, or whatever. It6's a mess.

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Razer's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:33 am

Isn't a soccer pitch significantly larger than an American football field? Curious how the Lambeau crew will accommodate the changes. If anyone can do it our grounds crew will make it happen.

Please stop with the Metcalf trade talk. If this franchise is going to have life after Rodgers or life after 2023, we need to add young, inexpensive talent to the salary cap mix. This is a great draft, loaded with picks. Gutekunst and company need to hit it out of the park and, yes, add a good WR or two in the mix.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:50 am

I agree that the trading for Metcalf just doesn't make sense to me. If it is going to take time for Aaron to get used to a new WR, why not it be with a rookie who is much cheaper? It is not like Metcalf will come in and instantly get chemistry.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:23 am

The recommended English Premier League soccer field is 115 yards in length and 75 yards wide. The rules allow significant variation in both width and length for historical reasons. Wolves play on 100 by 64, the smallest currently in that league.

A Football field is 360 feet (120 yards) long and 160 feet (53.3 yards) wide. They may get a few extra yards width when marking. So the length is fine, the width would be disfavored at the elite levels, but if they could get it up to 60 it would be fine, especially for a very early (for the teams) preseason game.

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Razer's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:27 am

Thanks for the insight.

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dobber's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:55 am

I think a significant problem with many grass football fields is that they aren't flat...most are slightly pitched to the edges to facilitate drainage, which is a problem for a round ball that spends most of its time on the ground.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:14 am

Actually, it’s more how smooth the surface is than the presence of a slope or camber.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:42 am

Oh, you just had to pull out the "C"...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:31 am

Well, here I thought I knew that word and now I realize I only knew it in the context of automobiles and wheel alignments.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:46 pm

I thought it was a kind of smelly tree...

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:37 am

Soccer fields aren't entirely flat either Dobber - water drainage issues are the same the world over. Everybody (soccer, football and other sports) has gotten better about drainage pipes under the field rather than excessive slope to remove excess water.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:46 pm

put in a French drain, viola! - No problems!

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SanLobo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:35 am

If I understand the new overtime rule each team gets the ball, and if tied after those two possessions, then it is sudden death. So all we did was add two possessions before sudden death. I’m glad it’s only during the playoffs. It gets old being forced to watch a meaningless OT game while missing the kickoff of a Packers game, and this rule change would have just lengthened those meaningless regular season games.
WR mania? Nope. Concerned, yes, but we still have about six months before we take the field. A little tactical patience for now.
The draft to Detroit: The big city bias of the New York City NFL corporate types rears it’s ugly head yet again. Lodging 30 minutes away in NYC is in NYC. They see distance as time and measure it in how long it takes you to move by walking, or in mind numbing traffic. For them the next nearest town means an hour, two hour or even more commute. Lodging 30 minutes away from Lambeau is Appleton. It can be hard for these “metropolitans” to internalize being 35 miles away is just a 30 minute drive in the Midwest.

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White92's picture

March 30, 2022 at 07:37 am

Soccer has been shoved down kids throats since I was growing up in the '70's. Utterly boring and strange (extra time that no one knows??). Obstensibly it was "safer" than baseball and football, and very globalist chic. Ya, get off my lawn.

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dobber's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:58 am

It's cheap and accessible.. That appeals to parents.

It's a perspective issue: fans overseas didn't used to understand American football, either. The internet and accessible broadcasts are changing that.

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calabasa's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:10 am

It’s simple and beautiful. Sure it can be boring, but that makes the goals that much more exciting.

As baseball becomes home runs or strikeouts, and basketball becomes heaving three-pointers or airballs, I enjoy the integrity of the beautiful game.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:48 pm

You can't fix STOOPID! - Interweb or not...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:33 am

there is always cricket. A soccer game is miles more exciting.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:06 pm

Cricket can be a lot of fun. Baseball with more thinking and it’s legal to target the hitter.

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jont's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:03 pm

Soccer is cheap. A school can outfit a team with goals and everything for the cost of a good football helmet. Adding the sport is a no-brainer for any HS, and replacing football with soccer happens too.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:11 am

I think the overarching question is how we came to a position where we are paying Rodgers huge money and charging the future to do so, but are left with minimal cap and one recognized receiver plus one limited snap elder statesman plus some young UDFA holdovers and a TE we are hoping will be back from an ACL.

This team looks, on paper, like a team geared to a young QB, weak WR room, strong running group, strong D. It’s no secret I don’t like the amount that they are kicking forward, but without Adams and the wherewithal to replace him or MVS except by bargain type resurrection vets (maybe, hopefully) and draft picks seems totally nuts.

The receiver group in the draft is strong and deep this year, but I don’t see many truly elite, standout, healthy propositions. I see players that need time in the weight room or a couple of years honing route trees and technique. Those that don’t have the kind of average athleticism that shouts low ceiling in the pros. It’s fair to say I’m a lot less excited than some about the prospects of rookie breakout this year.

Without that I don’t see us being a better team overall. I think our D improved if we can add a good edge prospect, a better ILB 2, a 4th corner and we need a S that can tackle and cover, possibly 2, a box and a deep type. Black’s release was odd only in that he was decent in STs: he couldn’t cover. Hopefully that’s RB saying cut bait because decent isn’t enough.

STs should be better—how much worse could we be?— but we need to pick up gunner and returner material, the late draft rounds should help and this should be a focus.

I don’t worry much about the Alexander comments, it would become obvious fast. I think it just signals confidence in Stokes and Douglas. It may actually cause more uncertainty.

Overall, I do not see us being a better team this year. Which makes bringing back Rodgers nonsensical. The reason is offense. If we move to a run first approach, that both wastes him and begs the question why we paid him. When it mattered, by luck or judgement, the D performed to a level it will be hard to beat. We still lost thanks to an all too predictable ST meltdown in part, but also failure to score was critical.

Our HC is unchanged, as is our QB. Will we really see either change their ways and let the run be a major part of this O? I have my doubts. Will we really see LaFleur avoid the howlers of prior years (such as his O Line shuffle) or improve in in game adjustment? Will Rodgers be arranging sessions and getting on the preseason field with his new receivers?

A second last dance only makes sense if we are at least as good and in a way that helps Rodgers better exploit his talent. Right now things are shaping up as our best chance lying with running more and taking the ball out of his hands and giving him less experienced targets in addition to removing his best WR.

The draft will be fun without doubt, but this looks like a hugely illogical set of moves that appear to have the roster moving on from him while we mortgage out cap to keep him. That doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like we had a clear choice between 2 plausible directions and refused to make it. We are instead trying to bridge an ever widening gap between them.

I don’t much care about the OT change save to say that I’d rather give each a go than rely on the luck of a coin toss weighting the chances. In the big scheme of things, I’m far more concerned about our leadership plotting a nonsensically self-contradictory course and putting us in a position of future disadvantage while rolling out Rodgers with less of what is required to give an elite QB the ability to be the difference. That is despite his inability to be enough of one in recent prior years and also acknowledging that a notable part of that has been due to LaFleur.

I hope I’m wrong, but JB’s comment above does seem far too explanatory for me and I don’t think this year will end well. The hope is that Gute can build a cheap and talented core beyond that. This draft has to be a savior as we have spent out cap increases for a while to get where we are.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 09:53 am

I'm not as torqued as I was just months ago. Ditched my management gripes at the door this year, and I do believe the Green Bay Packers will be a better team this year. I can't help but feel that way.

I'm seeing addition by subtraction with Davante traded for additional R1 & R2 - AND - the removal of "DavanteVision" from our offensive repertoire. Not bashing him at all. He was not a deep threat, not a burner.

We will in all likelihood add 3 WRs in this draft that are faster than or as fast as MVS. Being loaded with the skills to match, if Gutekunst plays his cards right this draft, we could realize a far more dangerous Offense.

Let's add another positive: We might actually RUN THE ROCK more.

I'm ALL-IN.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:36 am

It would be helpful for Gute to be very good at drafting this year or very lucky. I'd take either.

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dobber's picture

March 30, 2022 at 12:38 pm

I'd argue luck has a lot to do with good drafting...especially since that evaluation is usually made a couple years down the road.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 01, 2022 at 12:06 pm

Donnie Avery and Devin Thomas were WRs taken 33rd and 34th in the 2008 draft. One might wonder if Jordy Nelson at 36 was the WR TT had in mind when he traded back.

Avery had talent but just kept getting injured. Thomas did zip.

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Nate-1980's picture

March 31, 2022 at 06:44 pm

Great post cold world, Rodgers can’t do it all himself on offense, and having great receivers maxes out his ability to perform at his highest level.. I’ve seen gutes contradictory ways for a long time, and going into this season with wr rookies is not the best way to do things, so they’ll have to draft a bunch of them..I’ve heard people say that Gute/ Rodgers knew Adams was leaving( for months) but that makes no sense to me if they did.. I think it was a spur of the moment decision by Adams, because if Gute knew and didn’t plan to grab one of the top fa’s wrs, it was blatant incompetence..

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greengold's picture

March 31, 2022 at 07:40 pm

Hey Nate! I think it was more about GB needing to keep Campbell & Suuul. They knew speed in FA at WR would cost big $ they didn’t have.

I’ll put money on it Rodgers was promised a new set of R1-R2 WRs, and that he was good with that. I wouldn’t doubt if he is given some input on who he likes best. Can’t say I have any problem with that. They’ll figure it out.

Probably a promise to bring Yosh back too, as he allowed ZERO sacks last season.

If that was the plan, good.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:13 am

I find your lack of faith….disturbing. I don’t see the wheels coming off at all. I see a team that has won 13 games with extra, high draft choices. How often have we been in that position? Never, by my recollection.

We return the MVP AT QB. Our backfield of Jones and Dillon is one of the league’s better groups. We return a defense that didn’t give up a single TD in the playoffs.

I think we’re in good shape for this point in the season..

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:20 am

Hear, hear...

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:25 am

All of that I acknowledged. It’s what else is in play that doesn’t make sense to me.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:57 am

We need to replace the 123 receptions that Adams gave us, and we have 5 months yet to do it. We will draft some guys to help with that.

As far as I know, we're taking one more shot with Rodgers. It's not what I would have done, but I'm OK with it. We should be able to put a pretty good team on the field this year.

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Coldworld's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:17 am

It’s what they are doing but that doesn’t mean it’s being done coherently or that how we got there shouldn’t raise questions. I hope that you are right that we can put together an O equivalent to the last couple of years. I think that’s going to test the odds from here, but one never knows.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 30, 2022 at 09:00 am

Agreed, Leatherhead.

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:06 am

When I answered to the wheels being off I was doing so thinking of the management side. To me, this is one hell of an opportunity to win it all, and it will take a lot to go right to do it, but, I believe it can be done.

Another thing, the elephant in the room, is Aaron Rodgers and his mindset on trusting new receivers, whether they be WRs or TEs. Changing his attitude on this, and embracing bringing a whole new crop of talent up to speed in a successful manner is JOB #1 for him.

That's just kinda hanging out there... without a doubt. I do think our dreams of real success, bringing home another Lombardi Trophy, are within reach if everybody on this team does their job - all out... as well as possible - Top to Bottom. We'll see.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:24 am

Rodgers "trust" attitude.....it doesn't look like he's going to have a lot of choice in the matter to me. The ball is in his hands.....he has to throw it or take the sack.

I'm researching a couple of past situations where a rookie WR came in and improved the team. Rodgers can embrace their youthful athleticism or get sacked . He could add to his "legend" by helping a guy win ROY and winning the Super Bowl, or he could fail, again, and add to legacy in that regard.

I think he doesn't really have a choice. He probably already knows, through conversations with the Brass, that there's a high likelihood of adding some targets in the passing game, andthey'll have to be successful for him to get to the Super Bowl.

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murf7777's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:12 am

I’d add we finally have an experienced ST’s Coach!!

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:28 am

New avatar suits you well Leatherhead!

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Leatherhead's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:54 am

Thank you Guam. The Anna Kournikova made me look like one of the $87/hour hookers that works from home who advertises here.

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Guam's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:08 am

LOL! I understood why you used the attractive blond, but it just didn't fit you LH. This one is much better.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 30, 2022 at 10:55 pm

You mean that you're NOT?

I want my deposit money back!

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Rarescope's picture

March 30, 2022 at 11:23 pm

You almost make that sound that looking like an $87/hour hooker is a bad thing… whoops, forgot to factor in inflation. Yep, that’s pretty bad these days.

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Swisch's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:43 am

I'm eccentric enough to have just recently taken my first vacation in many a year largely in Wisconsin, and during the winter at that (including an introduction to spear fishing for sturgeon on ice-covered Lake Winnebago).
I was born in the Milwaukee, and do have deep roots in the state with both my dad and mom; but have hardly ever lived there, and don't really understand why my affection for this place is so strong.
My trip in February included two amazing shrines:
The first is Lambeau Field in Green Bay, the setting for the most storied franchise in the history of the NFL, the remote and relatively small blue-collar city that held on tightly to its football team until it became not only Titletown, but a shining symbol of American character and teamwork and excellence.
Oh, how I hope we don't lose this essence of the Packers to commercialism and crassness and cynicism.
The second shrine is less well known but even more striking, located less than 20 miles to the north, and is the site of an appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary in 1859 to a young Belgian woman.
About a dozen years later, in 1871, the Peshtigo Fire devastated the region with thousands dead in the savage blaze, yet this small sanctuary sheltered area inhabitants as an amazing refuge of green and gold amidst the blackened countryside all around.
This shrine of Our Lady of Good Help (the only approved apparition of the mother of Jesus in all of North America) happens to be located in a place called Champion -- possible evidence that God just may be a Packers fan.

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Zapato's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:47 am

I don't think the overtime debate will ever be fully resolved. The league just needs to settle on what the overtime format will be and the teams (and fans) will need to adapt and accept.

As you said, every year we freak out over one position group or another and by the time the dust settles and the season starts we're in pretty good shape again. I'm just going to sit back and let Gute and company do their thing. I have faith we'll be alright.

Yeah, I can't see Wisconsin being a big soccer draw. Maybe if they drop the beer prices and throw in a cornhole tournament and gun show in the parking lot or something?

Henry Black was serviceable in his role with the defense last year. I can only guess the Packers see an avenue to getting better at the position. Which is what you're supposed to do.

Agree with what you said about Gute's comment on Jaire. Maybe he's just BS-ing the BS-er?

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greengold's picture

March 30, 2022 at 08:49 am

Just thought of something funny:

Laid up with double hernias awaiting surgery April 29th. You know what I could use? A CHAMPIONSHIP BELT!

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