Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Summer of Love

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

 

Don't Rush Back

So Rodgers says he's going to enjoy this week, then get back to work and "figure things out." I say, take your time. If Jordan Love is the potential Packers QB of the future, let's let him continue to make up for those pandemic-related lost practice reps. That's not to say I don't want Rodgers back - I'm not stupid - but does he really need the reps? No. I say stay away until just before the first preseason game. Or even the second if he doesn't mind forgoing another $800k for that. 

 

What Would I do?

Ty Dunne asked the question - here was my answer: "If I'm running the show, I do nothing and wait for Rodgers to show up and take his best shot at another Super Bowl. I don't believe Rodgers is foolish enough to sit out, lose all that money and at his age, a precious year of playing and still be in basically the same boat next year. If he is, then I roll with Love/Bortles and a heavy dose of running with Jones/Dillon and see where that takes us." 

 

Davante Adams Extension

Oh, this is a tough one. He is going to want DeAndre Hopkins money, which I believe is about $27M/yr. I have little doubt that Rodgers' decision weighs into whether Adams is anxious or not to sign an extension with Green Bay. The Packers could get a bargain by letting him play this year for his current $13M and then franchise tag him at an estimated $20M next year. On the surface, is this the best option - two years at roughly $17M /yr with Rodgers likely gone next year or at best the year after?  I'm not a capologist, so I'll be curious to hear some other thoughts on this.

 

Willie or Won't He?

He will, finally, get credit for being the Packers' all-time sack leader - Willie Davis that is. It's unfortunate that it comes roughly 15 months after his passing, but thanks anyway to a couple of researchers at Pro Football Reference who went back and compiled pre-1982 stats when sacks were not counted. Note our own Corey Behnke has been screaming about this forever...

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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greengold's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:34 am

My hat is off to the Packers All-Time sacks leader, 5 time NFL Champion and 6 time All-Pro, Hall of Fame DL Willie Davis, at 93.5! That number is determined by old footage and coaches notes. Many speculate his actual sack totals to be over 100.

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dobber's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:34 am

Ezra Johnson puts down his hot dog and gives him a slow clap.

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greengold's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:36 am

Thanks, dobs. This was the laugh I didn't know I needed!!! Cheers!

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:22 am

A great leader on and off the field too.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:30 am

He was a GREAT MAN/PLAYER! What a life he led!

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Savage57's picture

July 14, 2021 at 06:50 am

While Rodgers may not need the reps, what happened to all the emphasis on chemistry with his WR's? Unless he's planning to force feed Adams (and we saw how well that worked on the Packers last possession with GTG in the NFCCG), the other guys need them.

I like the do nothing, franchise tag scenario for Adams. It makes the most sense within the Rodgers context and avoids another 'highest paid at his position' contract for the Packers.

Dr. Feelgood knew it, even if others didn't. I remember a story about one of his teammates telling him if they'd kept sack stats he'd have been credited with more than 25 during one season.

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stockholder's picture

July 14, 2021 at 07:20 am

Robert Brooks? or Donald Driver? Either way it's to much $$

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:36 am

Savage,
I too like the possibility of the Franchise Tag on Adam's. Here I have been advocating trading Adam's due to the cost of re-signing him combined with his age, and the fact that if Rodger's is not here in 2021 that he will represent less value to the Packers due to less attempts.

The Franchise Tag would force him to play thru the 2022 season, or until he is 30/31 years of age. As long as there is enough cap space to re-sign other key players whose contracts are up it would seem this might be the best way to address Adams from the FO perspective. It would also allow Jordan Love either one or two years to play with Adam's.

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stockholder's picture

July 14, 2021 at 06:54 am

Rodger's already has things figured out. Trade him. He wants the bright lights after football. Why should he play for a FO that milks everything. And treats you like a cow, just for the cheese. He will Talk his way out of GB before the end of the season. . After watching people bitch about Rodger's salary. Adams has priced himself out of GB. This offense did just fine when he was out. And it's time the packers spread the wealth around. I'm happy for Davis. Wish we had more players like him today.

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ricky's picture

July 14, 2021 at 08:06 am

Excellent opinion piece. Especially since your thoughts parallel mine so closely, it's obvious you have a keen and perceptive grasp of reality. As far as Rodgers, just as Wilson wants to "cook", let Rodgers "stew". He seems to be enjoying being the center of attention and speculation. Fine. I believe he'll be back, and will attempt to stick it to the Packers "brain trust" (Gutekunst, Murphy? LaFleur?) for moving up to draft Love instead of trying to fill a need elsewhere on the team. And just like last year, I think he'll be a man with a mission: win another SB and dare the team to not keep him. But at the same time, his trade value would never be higher; send him to the AFC, take your chances with Love as game manager and a ground/pound running game and shorter passes mixed with some safer throws downfield. A major retooling of the team, ala the Titans. Adams? Let him walk rather than franchise him. Doing so would alienate a lot of players who are going to be looking to get a big payday (think Alexander and Jenkins in particular). Finally, Willie Davis the all time sack leader? Excellent. It's about time some of these older players get the recognition for what they accomplished. Kudos indeed to Pro Football Reference for their diligence and hard work in the days before free agency and just compensation for surviving the brutality of professional football.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:40 am

Ricky,
and to think Davis played in 12 game seasons vs the 16 & 17 game season today makes it even more remarkable.

Agree with most of what you say above in your post.

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RCPackerFan's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:34 am

Don't Rush Back
I disagree with him not needing the reps. I will say that he probably doesn't need all the reps he gets. They could give more to Love and Bortles and others while he is there.

What Would I do?
That is exactly my answer too.

Davante Adams Extension
I'm also not a capologist. So I say, get him signed at whatever it takes. Regardless of whether we have Rodgers or Love throwing the ball. Adams is the best WR in the league. We need him to stay longer.

Willie or Won't He?
Good for Willie. Good that they are redoing the stats to correct what should have been corrected years ago.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

July 14, 2021 at 08:48 am

Agreed with all except franchising Adams unless they are fine with letting him walk after next year.

I think Adams is one of, if not the, best receiver in the NFL right now, but unless Rodgers is done after this year the Packers can't build a winning team with multiple players on record setting contracts for their position, and we will need the money over the next couple years to extend Tonyan, Alexander, Savage, and Gary.

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croatpackfan's picture

July 14, 2021 at 08:50 am

Al, I agree with your observation about AR and how would you manage situation.

I'm not sure that tag is the best way for relation Packers vs Adams new contract, but I admit that we have to see what will be situation with cap in the future. If the cap will be very tight that might be the only solution.

I hope old Packers fans will be happy for the corrected injustice to Willie Davis...

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Coldworld's picture

July 14, 2021 at 08:53 am

Davis is getting what he deserved. In truth it’s less about stats than impact, or should be, but more and more never saw him and for that reason I’m glad it’s now enumerated.

I agree wholeheartedly with you on Rodgers. Run with what you can control and make the best of it. Do not plan for the uncontrollable.

I’m more on the fence about Adams if Rodgers doesn’t show or does and we expect him to leave. I think the franchise tag is potentially great for the team and awful for Adams, given his age. Let’s see if Love is ready to justify a new contract for Adams or if Rodgers is back for one year only, probably Adams is franchised and traded. Not sure it would be worth extending if Love is a first year starter in 2022.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

July 14, 2021 at 08:54 am

Regarding "Don't Rush Back" I totally agree with you Jersey Al.

After reading Corey Behnke's tweet about the "true facts of Willie", my mind went to Cory of Cory's Corner: Its a nice feature, but I stopped reading it because of so many FACTUAL errors. Cory is a good writer. But if he does not care enough to get his facts right, then better to exclude facts from his column (I'm referring to facts like number of TDs, sacks, etc). Just write his opinions, the readers will like that.

I know, I know... I should put this comment over there in Cory's Corner; but I don't read that column anymore, so how can I put it there?

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:07 am

How many winning teams has DeAndre Hopkins been on? How many playoff wins has he lead his teams to?

Point being, NO WR is worth that kind of money. How many times do they actually touch the ball throughout the course of the game? As much as I love having DA17 on the team, you can't commit that much money to a WR. Didn't we go 6-0 with him out of the lineup the last two years? He'll enter his 30s during his next contract as well. Let some other team throw crazy money at him, while we retain some semblance of sanity with our salary cap.

I know I'm probably in the minority on this, but you can only have so many players being the highest paid at their position on one team.

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dobber's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:48 am

"How many winning teams has DeAndre Hopkins been on?"

Several (5, I think). Some have been pretty good, despite Bill O'Brien's attempts to chop them off at the knees. They were 2-4 in playoff games while Nuk was there.

That said, I agree with you: a #1 WR touches the ball--at most--about 10 times per game. That player needs to be at the top of their position and in their physical prime to earn the kind of money we're talking about. I wouldn't argue with the franchise tag for 2022, but they're going to have to do something to put quality WR on the field after #17 moves on.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:14 am

Thanks for clarifying Hopkins record. And I wasn't picking on him. I guess my point was even with arguably the best, or most talented WR in the league, they were never really that good. You could use Odell Beckham as an example as well. I think the WR position is a bit over valued, in my opinion. I think having a good GROUP of pass catchers is more important.

Bahk is in on every play on offense. AR12 too. Clark is in on most plays on defense. It makes sense, if they're really that good, to pay them top dollar. It just doesn't make sense to me to include a player who touches the ball maybe 8-10 times a game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:06 pm

Overall, I agree. Just two caveats to mention:

1. Not paying players can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
2. Overusing the Franchise tag can hurt a team over time.

No doubt it is a balancing act, and you may be absolutely correct. I, myself, previously suggested trading Adams for a first-round pick if AR was not coming back this year. I can also see why folks think providing Love with a quality receiver like Adams is important. I think reasonable people can disagree about what is best.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:44 am

I also strongly believe as long as Adam's is on the team receiving the vast majority of passing attempts it severely restricts the development of other WR's like MVS, and Lazard.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 14, 2021 at 07:53 pm

You can commit a Number One pick for a WR and get a solid return as the brain trust did go down this yellow brick road at least THREE times in the past 43 Years. Franchise or walk is the best bet for Adams.

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nostradanus's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:22 am

I say stand firm on both Rodgers and Adams, they are both under contract and if they don’t want to honor the contract they signed it’s on them. If they decide not to give 100% it will only lessen their value.

The great rebuild is coming after this season anyway so why not save the salary cap space to build around Jordan Love? It is going to be a 2-3 year rebuild once Rodgers is gone.

They may as well trade Adams as well next year, he will be around 30 so why break the bank if you are rebuilding?

If the Packers decide to pay Adams & Rodgers it probably means not being able to pay young stars such as Jenkins, Alexander and Gary, so it’s major decision time for the Packers FO.

Stay tuned, some serious shit gonna go down soon!

Willie Davis - RIP you were a class act and one of the greatest Packers!!

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 14, 2021 at 07:55 pm

Reload or forever hold your peace.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:47 am

Nost,
In agreement, however your thoughts that with Rodgers gone there is going to be a 2-3 year rebuild. While possible I do not believe it is going to take that long. The talent is there! The biggest challenge is going to be whether the Packers can retain their talent, which jives with your points about Adam's.

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NickPerry's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:32 am

I'd like to see Rodgers back for the week of practice before the 2nd preseason game. It doesn't mean I necessarily want him to play in the preseason, but I do want him back at practice working on his timing and anything new MLF has in the offense, ESPECIALLY Amari Rodgers. I LOVED the Amari Rodgers pick. IMO he's exactly what this offense was missing. As long as Rodgers doesn't wait till week 15 to throw him the ball because of his trust issues, Amari Rodgers will be a big part of this offense, even as a rookie.

I'm totally on the fence with Adams. He'll be 29 in December and it will probably take at least a 4 year contract at say $25 million a year. Because of the cap in 2022 the Packers would have to backload the contract, give a sizable signing bonus meaning they'd be paying him an awful lot of money once he's hitting 30 and beyond. Now I love Adams. He's got the best feet in the NFL and can beat anyone off the line. But that's just a huge red flag for me and all bets are off after 30.

Congratulations to Willie Davis. It's too bad he wasn't still with us.

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dobber's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:43 am

ARod never plays in the preseason anymore, anyway. I think that if he gets starters snaps for three weeks in camp, he'll be mostly ready to go, so long as he's been taking care of himself physically.

Your comments on AmRod are important because the Packers have a slew of WR 3-4 types (and young guys) that they need to be able to evaluate and sort through to figure out who to keep and who to punt after 2021. You could argue that the time they get with #12 will go a long way toward judging their ceilings.

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CheesyTex's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:15 am

Let me join you in the Amari Rodgers fan club.

With him on board, it sure looks to me like the Packers have assembled one helluva group of receivers and tight ends in terms of FIT for MLF's offense -- IMO they finally got the slot covered, can stretch the field (MVS), have big receivers with decent speed who can block, and have both traditional and stretch tight ends. Defensive coordinators playing the Pack will have their hands full with whomever is at QB.

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NickPerry's picture

July 15, 2021 at 06:40 am

Couldn't agree more CheesyTex and I'm glad to hear you're part of the Amari Rodgers fan club. What's so interesting to me is the Packers had arguably the best and highest scoring offense in the NFL last season, yet all I hear STILL is they don't do enough to help Rodgers. To make things worse IF any credit is given to anyone other than Rodgers, it's ONLY because of Rodgers are they any good. News flash... The Packers have ELITE players at RB, WR, LT, LG, OLB, CB, and BOTH Safety positions and those guys aren't great because of Rodgers!!

They seem to have the TE position covered, at least better than they've been in years. They have EVERY type of WR on this team with defined roles they all EXCELL in. They brought back Aaron Jones who IMO doesn't get the credit he deserves as one of the best RB in he NFL, AND they replaced Jamal Williams who I loved but wasn't really special with AJ Dillon who I think can be VERY special. Not to mention the depth they have at the #3 and #4 RB position in Taylor and Hill. PLUS we get Deguara back who along with Amari Rodgers are giving MLF two brand new toys.

I want Rodgers back, BUT a bigger piece of me that grows everyday hopes Loves just F'ing lights it up this preseason.

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Qoojo's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:05 am

Adams is a difficult situation. When combining Rodgers and Adams salary cap hit, it seems like too much for two players. I think you are right about 1 year of utilizing the franchise tag to rent for 20M. I think the franchise tag is a dick move by organization and undercuts free agency, but I did not craft the current agreement and agree to it. 30M a year for the best WR seems like too much.

I think Love can be successful in this offense due the run game and RB passing threat. Love just needs to show that he is a threat to throw deep once in a while.

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BuckyBadger's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:15 am

It isn't the fan friendly move but the right move is to let Adams play out his deal and let him walk next year. Adams is approaching the age where his production will start to drop. Let someone else over pay him and take the comp pick. Learn something from the one franchise that is dominated the salary cap era.

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The_Justicar's picture

July 14, 2021 at 07:25 pm

Yeah, I agree with you. Maybe we also get a WR in the impending Rodgers trade. It would be ironic if the draft after we move Rodgers we spend a first round pick on a WR. Lol. I’d love that to be the final piece of the Rodgers drama.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:52 am

I posted just yesterday that the 2022 draft may finally be where the Packers select a WR in either round 1 or round 2. The reason is they finally have a team that has strengths most everywhere, so they do not need to invest high draft choices at so many positions to plug holes. Yes, whether the Packers franchise tag Adam's will play a part, as well as whether Rodger's, and/or Adam's is traded and a quality WR is part of the transaction will play into it as well.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:28 am

Thanks for the article, Al.
Willie Davis is one of my favorite Packer Players who distinguished himself both on and off the field. He played with fierce abandon and gave 100 percent on the field and inspired those around him. His success on the field was recognized and rewarded with his induction into the Pro Football Hall of fame.
Off the field, Willie was a role model for not only kids like me, but for other professional football players as well. So many players fail in life after their football career ends, but Will Davis succeeded there as he had on the football field. He started both a successful beer distributing business and a broadcasting business. He is truly one of the Packer greats. RIP

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JerseyAl's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:36 am

I've only had two football "idols" in my lifetime - Bart Starr and WIllie Davis. Mostly because of the outstanding people they were, in addition to their football skills.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:46 am

Small world. My favorites as well. I met Bart Starr a few times and he spent about 15 minutes talking to me when I was with my dad. This was in 1963 just after they had defeated the Giants to win the World Championship.
Without a doubt Bart Starr had a fan for life after spending all that time making a snot nosed kid feel important.
I never got to meet Will Davis in person, but I sure admired him from afar and watched him play a great many games for the Packers.

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nostradanus's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:49 am

I concur Al

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:06 am

The Packers have compensated Adams very well.

Negotiate with Adams in good faith but if he and his agent were to insist on an NFL record WR deal, let him play out his K. After the season make your last best offer. If refused, franchise tag him. And they could apply a non exclusive rights franchise tag so Adams and his agent could still seek a deal with another team. The Packers could match another team's offer....or refuse and the other team would have to give up 2 first rounders.

Even if franchise tagged, they can still continue working on a long tern deal.

Davante has been a stand up guy. Team centered leader. I think they get a deal done.

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dobber's picture

July 14, 2021 at 02:35 pm

"Negotiate with Adams in good faith but if he and his agent were to insist on an NFL record WR deal, let him play out his K."

I think you're right in that the good faith part might make Adams more amenable to the franchise tag...if he legit feels that they're going to reach an agreement prior to the deadline on the franchise tag (which just passed for this season, I think), he might be fine with it.

If the Packers just muddle around and don't make much progress in talks so that the franchise tag looks like a real one-year deal without much hope of getting the extension done, then I think it's a problem for his camp.

Given that according to Adams they've really not made much headway in talks so far (I think he said in that recent interview that they'd only just started), I would be a little nervous looking ahead to that extension and the franchise tag.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:54 am

I don't think anything on Adam's is decided by the FO until they know the status of Rodger's. Any significant decision by the FO is on hold until the Rodger's situation is resolved. I am sure Adam's camp is well aware of this.

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Since'61's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:59 am

Rodgers will return prior to the second preseason game against the NY Jets but he won't participate in the practices with the Jets. He'll let Love takes those reps and then play a series or two in the second preseason game against the Jets. He'll be ready for Week 1.

A WR at $25 million+ is a huge commitment. Especially since Adams has had a few concussions and another could end his career. However, the Packers have no one behind him at this point so they will probably need to tag him for at least one season.

Having watched Willie Davis play during most of his Packer career I've always had a feeling that he would hold the Packers sack record if they kept those stats during that era. I would go so far as to say that he had more sacks of Johnny Unitas than any other Qb that he played against. In any case I'm happy to see that he is finally getting the recognition that he deserves and that is long overdue. Just a great, great player.

Thanks, Since '61

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:11 am

I recall reading Lombardi relied on Davis's opinion for the pulse of the team. Lombardi had a keen eye for leaders and Wille was just that. He didn't disappoint after football either. Tremendously successful businessman and his leadership continued to shine.

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splitpea1's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:16 am

DA extension: The solution you suggested sounds pretty reasonable; other than that, I'm inclined to move on. A little more leanness and flexibility in the salary department would be welcome. This season could be the last dance with the Packers for a few of the more notable players anyway. Turn the page and continue to rebuild.

Here's where it might have made sense to draft a WR like Tee Higgins last year; but then again, we probably couldn't have drafted Love, so that's a whole other debate. And here's where not having a clear-cut #2 WR comes into play, making the decision much more difficult. Without DA, we're going to have a pretty significant void to fill, but....

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jont's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:39 am

The money being discussed here is a little out of my league, but I am trying to put it into perspective.

12's estimated net worth is $120 mln. If we guess that half of this in a simple S&P fund, he's made about $21.3 mln in the past year on this alone. None of us believe the $800k is much of a factor in his decision making.

Devante Adams' net worth is estimated at $25 mln. He's looking at GB tagging him at ~20 in contrast to a market value of ~27. The difference is significant to him, and while I might say nothing more than "thank you very much" to an offer of $20 mln, Devante might have a different feeling about it.

You want a "polluted mindset"? Will 2022 bring GB another unhappy star?

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:58 am

I would think Adams to be unhappy with the mere mention of being tagged.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 14, 2021 at 02:43 pm

I have a question:

If Rodgers returns, and then has some kind of back injury, like Mike McKenzie did in 2004, what happens? Why would the GM want to expose the organization to that risk?

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Coldworld's picture

July 14, 2021 at 06:31 pm

That’s the downside. You put him on IR and he gets paid. The question of how that would affect his reputation is a real one since it would need to be understood by trade suitors and thus become known.

It would also deprive him of a chance with a strong roster. If he is willing to do that it would say a lot to me about where his head and the right if things are.

The team has to accept its worst case scenario. My suspicion is that they are.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:12 pm

Well, you can protect yourself against that by not allowing him at team facilities, like the Titans did with McNair.

His reputation? Do people care that Favre turned it over 36 times after Rodgers was drafted? That Elway and Eli Manning refused to play for the teams that drafted them.? That Carson Palmer retired to force his way out of Cincy? Not so much, really.

Mike McKenzie forced a trade to New Orleans, and he faked an injury that miraculously was healed by the trade.

You are exposing yourself to a $30,000,000 loss if you GUESS wrong.

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Coldworld's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:18 am

If we had an owner that might be the calculation. With the Packers no longer financially vulnerable, who knows? It’s the same with Rodgers, his financial paradigm is very different from ours. As a result, his choices may be different. Two very hard to predict parties.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 14, 2021 at 10:11 pm

AR has played through injuries he did not have to play through. I see no reason to think faking an injury would even occur to him.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 15, 2021 at 01:08 am

That’s because you assume the best of Aaron Rodgers. But can the GM afford to make that same assumption when it’s a $30 million gamble that will jeopardize his career?

Rodgers is a smart guy. I think it might occur to him. It’s one of a very few moves he has.

The fundamental fact remains unchanged : He doesn’t want to be in Green Bay.

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Coldworld's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:21 am

Given that we do not know what is in Rodgers head, what has passed between him and the Packers and what the resulting consensus is within Lambeau, I wouldn’t rule out any option by either side. As I pointed out above, neither are constrained by the financial considerations most individuals or corporations operate under.

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Packers0808's picture

July 14, 2021 at 02:44 pm

All this other Packer drama right now, who knows how, where or when anything will happen!? One thing I know at my age of 76 I saw Willie Davis play when being in the stands watching, Nothing more be said but "Oh Man"!

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wildbill's picture

July 14, 2021 at 09:04 pm

It was an honor watching the Lombardi Packers but back in the day they didn’t show every Packer game on TV in my area. There was no Thursday, Sunday night, or Monday games. I wish they would have a station that would show all the games from that era, such a brutal game that big hits were common place and I miss it.

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VinceL's picture

July 15, 2021 at 07:27 am

The good old days. They ain’t what they used to be. I miss the big old yan tanks withou catalytic converters, no seatbelts, throw yer garbage out the window days. Men were men and football was a brawl with mud and snot and blood and teeth flyin. That was the real deal then. None of this girlie football with 20 million dollar divas and tv was black nd white and rabbit ears. We miss what’s forever gone.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 14, 2021 at 11:45 pm

I don't think one can evaluate extending Adams like it is Madden. There are other factors involved. The franchise tag can make sense (at least to an accountant): it is projected for 2022 to be $19.1M and $16.9M for the transition tag. Under the latter, GB can match any offer Adams might sign. Using tags sometimes leads to trades where compensation is exchanged as well but not always.

1. Franchise tagging Adams might lead to having another player unhappy with GB's front office. Players will notice that over time. OTOH, Clark and Bakh got done fairly, even generously in some opinions, as did Preston.

2. The franchise tag has to be made in late February and the tag amount counts against the top 51 salaries beginning on March 17, 2022 (first day of the new league year). GB is going to have to move if not mountains still some pretty good-sized hills to meet the new salary cap. Tag and trades are frowned on even if they are done occasionally. GB probably could have tagged Linsley and extracted a day three draft pick, but they didn't for pretty good reasons.

3. Sheer money. Unless Hopkins is considered an outlier, Adams is going to get huge money (per OTC, Hopkins reset the WR market by a whopping 24%). Players get tremendous contracts when teams trade for them and then work out the contract details later. He was traded on March 16 and the trade was finalized by April 23. Hopkins signed his new extension September 8, just days before the first game.

It is fair to say that Hopkins got $27.5M per year in new money. Yet it is also true that he will earn $60.1M in the first three years, with $15M dead and cap savings of almost $12M. At the time of his trade, Hopkins had 3 years at almost $40M with no guaranteed money left on his deal and ended up with $60M with $42M guaranteed over those same three years. He also got a no trade and no tag provision.

4. A downside for Adams is that he is probably worth a first-round pick even if he is a one-year rental at the franchise rate. See Brandin Cooks.

5. 2020 was easily Adams' best year. Highest yds/game and highest yards/target to go with 18 TDs. He definitely should want to strike now rather than wait for mid-season or 2022, or if franchised, until 2023 to cash in. And who the QB is and/or will be might well matter to him.

What should GB do? What should Adams prefer? It depends.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 15, 2021 at 01:13 am

Look at the most productive WRs in the league and tell me how many are 30 or older? Not many. IMO, the smart move is to draft a guy to replace him and use all that money elsewhere.

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greengold's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:07 am

Yeah, I've come around to what the cap savings might bring should we decide to let his contract play out or to trade him.

I just like the idea of him being paired with Jordan Love. I think he might too, once they start connecting, if they reach that point. They have to potential to be deadly together, for the next 3 years, easy.. We need to see how good Love is though, an unknown to this point. I have confidence in him, but I'm just a fan. I'm looking forward to finding out.

Tough call. No question.

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dobber's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:53 am

I think if the Packers are negotiating in good faith, but need something to buy more time, the franchise tag isn't such a problem and won't be viewed negatively by other players if Adams gets his deal done and doesn't play the season under the tag.

"GB is going to have to move if not mountains still some pretty good-sized hills to meet the new salary cap."

They're going to have to handle a slew of contracts whether they have to fit #17's new deal in or not. Yes, this makes it harder, but changes are on the horizon, regardless.

"4. A downside for Adams is that he is probably worth a first-round pick even if he is a one-year rental at the franchise rate. See Brandin Cooks."

In a cap-strapped year like this one, a deal for Adams at this point has to mean that the receiving team will re-do his contract as he walks in the door. I think Adams would count $12.3M to any team acquiring him under his current deal (is this right?).. That means that over half of the teams in the league would be in the red (at 51) right now to acquire him under his current deal.

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