Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Let's Dance

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

I Hope They Dance:

While my first reaction is a bit of sadness if this is indeed, the last polka, if it ends in one final exultant "roll out the barrels" celebration under the moonlight, the serious moonlight, in LA in February, I say Let's Dance!

Justin Time:

Although we don't know if the story is really true or not, if the Packers had indeed traded Aaron Rodgers for Justin Herbert, I personally would have been thrilled. Mahomes notwithstanding, I think he's the next best young QB that will take this league by storm. Imagine Favre to Rodgers to Herbert with no break in between for Bears and Vikings fans to revel in? Man, that would have been glorious. 

Sneakily Clever:

Wrong Position:

If part of the agreement  was Gutey having to placate Rodgers by bringing back an old buddy, why couldn't it be a defensive lineman? I though we were pretty good at WR already.

Sick PUPpies:

As expected, the Packers have placed Josiah Deguara and David Bakhtiari on the PUP list. Based on the timing of their injuries, one would expect Deguara to be ready for week one but as for DBak, I would call it doubtful.

Messing with Rodgers:

I hope to hell some team leader and jokester (Bakhtiari) organized a mock greeting for Rodgers when he walked in to the locker room. A round of Bronx cheers, the silent treatment, pinned him in a corner and gave him a wedgie... something, anything!

Randall Cobb:

Really?  As much as we all loved Cobb and what he did here (especially against the Bears), is this the best way to spend what little cap money the Packers have left? I don't get it. However, if we get to see something like this again, I might change my mind.

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:35 am

Good stuff, Al. This could prove to be a very special season all-around for this Packers team.

All kinds of possibilities abounded throughout the past 3-4 months, and we're pretty much where we were that 4 months ago, now with Aaron getting more control of his future in exchange for 2021 cap relief, Jordan Love's continued development plan, and Rodgers' return for another shot at bringing home a Super Bowl.

Adding Cobb might turn out to be very special if it indeed happens. Lost in those conversations is Matt LaFleur's jet concepts, and the ability now to have TWO jet specialists on the field at the same time in Randall and Amari. That could be something difficult for opposing defenses to cover.

Hoping for the best, and for all of us to be celebrating together in February, the return home of the Lombardi Trophy!

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CheesyTex's picture

July 28, 2021 at 01:44 pm

"...Aaron getting more control of his future in exchange for 2021 cap relief...".

Is that a known fact? Isn't it still possible #12 also helped lower the 2022 cap hit as part of the consideration for writing off 2023?

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 03:12 pm

After the Rodgers press conference I think my worst fears were confirmed. Hope the football part of it remains unaffected.

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LeotisHarris's picture

July 28, 2021 at 04:25 pm

So, yeah, he had a bit of a Nic Cage feel to him, but he didn't refer to himself in the third person. Yet. Let's all stay paw-sah-tive!

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BradHTX's picture

July 28, 2021 at 07:45 am

Let’s dance
Put on your green shoes
And dance on the blue (and orange)
Let’s dance
With Wayne Larivee
On the radio

I’d go on but I haven’t had my coffee yet… Thanks Al, great thoughts creatively expressed as always. Hopefully the drama is on the field, not in the locker room. “IT’S RANDALL COBB AGAIN!!!”

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JerseyAl's picture

July 28, 2021 at 07:49 am

nice. I want more!

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BradHTX's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:35 pm

Sorry I didn’t have a chance to today, Al.

But wanna never hear that song the same again? Imagine Elmer Fudd singing it. “…Twemble wike a fwowwwwwer”

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Guam's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:03 am

If Cobb is truly coming back (and the Wisconsin State Journal ran an article this morning saying the trade with Houston was nearly finalized), I think Funchess and ESB just got their walking papers. Adams, Lazard, MVS and Rodgers are locks for the roster and Cobb will be uncuttable even if he performs poorly, so five receiver spots are filled. I doubt the Packers will keep six, so Funchess, ESB and others are out barring injury.

I thought most of the "settlement" between Rodgers and the Packers made sense, but the Cobb move does not, at least to me. Allowing Rodgers to bring back his best buddy when the FO's judgement was that he is not worth his price tag is truly allowing the inmates to run the asylum. Very bad precedent.

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murf7777's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:25 am

Cobb was part of the concessions to make the Rodgers scenario ending with Aaron content. If Aaron is content and this is the first step towards mending hurt feelings and a potential contract extension after we have another highly successful year than it is worth it. Teams are willing to give up multiple first round picks for Rodgers which shows his true value. Giving up what I expect to be a late round pick for Cobb and SC dollars is a small price to pay to have a chance at an extension with Rodgers.

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Guam's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:44 am

If trading for Cobb is the only personnel concession to secure Rodgers, okay. However my concern is if Rodgers gets an extension, what other concessions will he try to get as part of that deal? How much personnel authority will be enough to keep him happy over the longer term? I just don't think the personnel management issue stops at Cobb. At least it hasn't for stars in the NBA nor Brady, so why should it for Rodgers?

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:04 am

Cobb makes no sense and will cost cap and, presumably, something to acquire. He is a great guy who has been slowed and injured since he landed on that live mike. Yes, it makes Rodgers happy apparently, but it also raises questions about his motives and judgment if this is an all or nothing season, which both team actions and those of Rodgers suggest it is. Just because it’s a lesser evil to avert a bigger evil does not make it optimal or justifiable.

Let’s hope Cobb stays healthy, Rodgers let’s LaFleur decide who should be active and how many snaps and Rodgers doesn’t just lock on his friends. That includes not fighting it if Amari earns snaps as the season progresses and not forcing our game day WR group to be unbalanced. I think it means we will keep 6 WRs for that reason, balance. I’m guessing that the lost spot will be at TE or a 4th RB if all are healthy.

I don’t like the move, I don’t know if anyone who thinks it makes sense in isolation. That doesn’t reflect well on Rodgers’ priorities and perspectives and may just add to the pressure on him. Cobb is a good person, he will at least be a positive presence, he just isn’t a rational signing. I hope it doesn’t prevent us from adding a piece to put us over the top and that it doesn’t become an irritant between him and the coaches or fellow players as well as the FO.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:18 am

Thanasis Antentokounmpo made little sense in the terms you speak of, but the Bucks won it all.

I don't think there is one fan here who felt we needed to add Randall Cobb. I get where you're coming from, but in the end, if this closed the deal, there are worse things...

The Bucks signing Thanasis closed the deal for Giannis to sign his deal to stay in Milwaukee. HUGE. We'll see how this similar type of deal, bringing back Randall Cobb, works out.

With the boatload of crazy we've experienced this offseason, I'm willing to just sit back and watch what happens, hoping for the best.

GPG

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:24 am

Thanasis is a bogus comparative for me. NBA teams carry a proportionally vastly larger number of bench players to active ones and also tend to have players who pick up a few fouls in a few minutes play. Thanasis therefore has a role not present in football at which he is competent, does not keep anyone else from playing on merit and his occupation of a roster spot is far less significant to team options and quality. His presence is not materially significant for cap reasons either and I believe he was a free agent.

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mnbadger's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:21 pm

CW, you took the words right out of my mouth.
My only other thought was that if ar wanted rc18 back so bad, why not convince GPG FO to sign him as an assistant coach to be a WR whisperer to the players that still have gas in their tanks. He could buddy up during practice, meetings and off time. I can't accept rc18 back no matter how much I loved his presence before.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 05:13 pm

The closest comparison I could think of off the cuff. Of course they are very different situations. We can agree to disagree on Cobb. I just find a minor concession, given the circumstances. One that has the potential to pay big dividends over the course of the season.

Both players apparently were essential to signing MVPs to important extensions for their respective teams...

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jurp's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:28 am

I would rather we not sign Cobb and let our spoiled brat sit at home and pout. He will be THE problem this year and is best not in GB until he pulls his head out of his ass.

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murf7777's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:51 am

"That includes not fighting it if Amari earns snaps as the season progresses and not forcing our game day WR group to be unbalanced."

As you stated, Cobb is a good person. Do you really think Cobb would complain about playing time? I don't and I think he would be great in the locker room and mentoring Rodgers. You can't discount the importance a solid locker room will be this year.

In addition, we don't even have contract details yet, what if Houston eats some of the monies and the SC is much lower or the contract is reworked in the Packers favor. Lastly, Cobb is still a man who can make things happen on the field in a clutch situation.

Would I have done it if it weren't for Rodgers wanting him here, no, but you have to add Rodgers feelings into the equation because without Rodgers we are a .500 team at best. With Rodgers we have a chance at a SB Title.

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:25 am

I don’t think Cobb would, no. Rodgers presumably will want Cobb in the field though.

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Bearmeat's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:58 pm

And THAT is the problem. Our diva, I mean, QB, has had real problems "trusting" the players his VERY GOOD GM has put in front of him for years. I really do expect massive problems behind the scenes this year, with our QB at the center of them. Which he will, of course, deny with some Buddhist aphorism.

Cobb is barely an NFL player at this point. We needed an 8m DL, not another WR. EFF THIS.

History repeats itself. I remember being absolutely furious with Brett Favre from about 03-on.

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jurp's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:29 am

Faux-Buddhist aphorism.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 28, 2021 at 05:41 pm

I don't particularly like even the 6th round pick. Depends on the money. Houston supposedly ate $3M of Cobb's $8.25M guaranteed salary. I'd like AR to take a pay cut for $2M more to make up for this move (put your money where your mouth is). TBH, not sure I like $3M and a 6th for Cobb.

GB probably still does a signing bonus over two year, and mucks up 2022 even more. Now, I am an all-in guy, but it would be nice to at least theoretically be able to meet the cap next year without releasing veterans like AR and Z.

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Nate-1980's picture

July 29, 2021 at 02:41 pm

Insufferable as always cold world, Rodgers could throw for 5 tds in the Super Bowl and you’d still hate on him, bet it is a cold world in yours..

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DanW's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:33 pm

I think you're on to something. You state, the personnel management issue didn't stop at just one player for stars like Brady or the NBA, Lebron for example. Brady has an unprecedented 7 championship rings and Lebron has 4. So yes, please let Rodgers have more say.

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Mike Rossmeier's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:35 pm

Regarding Randall Cobb - it will be good to have both RC and Amari Rodgers in case of injury (which will happen to RC) so that they don't run into the situation like they had with Ervin being hurt last year.
Where it hurts is one less WR for Special Teams, and with no WR being signed for next year, I'd guess they would be signing the most "signable" of the others who also fit under the cap.

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CheesyTex's picture

July 28, 2021 at 02:33 pm

Agree, Guam, although I think 6 WR and a cut elsewhere.

It's probably naivety on my part, but I'm still holding out hope that when we learn full details of the restructured agreement #12 will have given back big $ (i.e, SIGNIFICANT cap relief this year and next) as consideration for voiding 2023 and for a voice in personnel matters.

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Gman1976's picture

July 28, 2021 at 03:19 pm

Is Cobb better than the receivers he will/would replace? I seriously doubt it. What if he is a lot slower than he used to be? Ugh.

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scullyitsme's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:42 pm

Rodgers thinks so… I think so, it should of been done last year, this year with amari Rodgers it makes less sense. Which probably was Aaron Rodgers point. Everyone has Lazard and mvs as locks, I don’t. Wouldn’t surprise me to see one traded or just plain cut during camp.

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jurp's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:32 am

So you're saying that Rodgers' desire to be a shadow-GM will cost us a legitimate NFL WR because he's got to have his security blanket in one-year-rental Cobb? And you're actually okay with this?

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scullyitsme's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:37 am

Wait… your calling mvs and Lazard legit receivers… like our team will change if one or both leave…they are good for what they are, but we won’t miss them and their 33 catches. Rodgers is basically saying he threw to Adams a 150 times because he didn’t trust the others. Period

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mrtundra's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:15 am

Rodgers wanted Cobb back, in GB, as part of Rodgers coming back. One last go round, for them both, on their way to the SB and into Packers' lore, for all time! Anyone see Jordy Nelson hanging around Lambeau, lately?

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mnbadger's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:23 pm

how about Max Magee and Carroll Dale. (may they RIP) GPG

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Since'61's picture

July 28, 2021 at 01:00 pm

Boyd Dowler is still with us! Thanks, Since ‘61

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RCPackerFan's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:19 am

I Hope They Dance:
I feel good about our chances to be dancing at the end of the year.

Justin Time:
I was surprised at how well Herbert did last year. He definitely surprised me. But before we crown him the next big thing, I would say lets see how year 2 goes for him.

Sneakily Clever:
yeah, clever. Would have been nice had he not blocked me on twitter for asking him a question, so I could have seen it and commented on it. Oh well..

Wrong Position:
We are pretty good at WR. But hear me out. Last year in the NFC championship game, If we had Cobb over EQ, does Cobb catch that 2 point conversion? I think so. Maybe he provides that 1 extra player that Rodgers trusts more then anything, which means that in the games final moments he has the extra guy he knows will come through. Also it gives him one of his best friends to be able to see and talk to daily. Probably will keep him mentally sharper.

Sick PUPpies:
I would agree that will likely be the case. Though, I will not be surprised if Bakhtiari is back sooner. Assuming he isn't back, our rookies will need to really step up, because we will really need to count on them. Newman is the one to really keep an eye on early.

Messing with Rodgers:
This would be amazing. But since they aren't "close people", I don't know if Bakhtiari will be the one to do it.

Randall Cobb:
I'm not saying we need Cobb, but clearly Rodgers needs Cobb. The good part is that in this offense, Cobb will be a perfect fit. We needed a slot WR and another guy who could do jet sweeps and motion plays. While that role was destined to be Rodgers spot, this allows him to play when he is ready too. Also, this gives the Packers 2 players that are similar. If injury occurs they would have another guy that can do the same thing. Here is another thing that Cobb can do. He can line up in the backfield creating another look. Whether its Jones and Cobb or Dillon and Cobb, they could create a lot of really interesting looks having Cobb there. If this was McCarthy's offense still, I would not be to thrilled about this move. SInce we have LaFleur's offense, I think this could be a really good fit honestly.
To pick up where I left off earlier, perhaps the difference with having Cobb over EQ or Funchess or whoever, is a TD vs a FG. Sometimes thats the difference in winning and losing games.

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murf7777's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:32 am

Right on RC…if having Rodgers best friend on the team makes Rodgers happy and content I’m all for it. Similar to having Giannis brother on the Bucks. Like it or not, Super stars have leverage in Pro Sports and it will only get bigger.

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RCPackerFan's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:39 am

That to me is the biggest factor in all of this.

Favre had talked about eventually getting to a point where you look around the locker room and there is no one that you really know anymore. Sometimes having someone close to you can make a big difference.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:53 am

I have absolutely zero desire to see Randall Cobb in the backfield, or running the ball at all. We have freakin' Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon... let the running backs run. Sticking Cobb of all people back there is like the people who suggest that we should create some wildcat packages that take AR off the field "just to change things up." Er... no. Go with your best dudes.

Here are Cobb's recent yards per rush numbers.
2014 - 3.4
2015 - 3.8
2016 - 3.3
2017 - 1.9
2018 - no attempts
2019 - 3.7
2020 - no attempts

How did this wacky idea of Randall Cobb in the backfield ever become a thing??

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:24 am

He was MMs version of the Option role. He actually had carried a fair amount in college (much more than Amari). Just as Ervin carried so would anyone playing Option be expected to as part of that role. I’m guessing that’s the origin.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:35 am

Truth be told, I don't really care if he was MM's version of Bo Jackson and Jim Brown. He still wasn't particularly effective running the ball.

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stockholder's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:17 am

No but he will be better then Funchess. Especially when it comes to the chemistry.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:25 am

FYI - We're talking about Cobb playing out of the backfield.....

You're planning on lining Funchess up in the backfield?

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:34 am

I doubt Funchess will be carrying from the backfield and I think one might agree that they are about as different as 2 receivers can be.

Marpag, I’m not arguing that Cobb was a great running back option. But pointing out that it’s necessary that an effective option is a threat to do so, and Cobb has that experience. If he plays that role a few carries are likely necessary to render it credible and play into the “illusion of complexity,” of which the option role can be a significant source.

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stockholder's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:43 am

He's playing the slot. You will pay any vet 5 mil no matter what. He's already played with DeVante Adams. He'll come back to the ball. I'll bet Funchess or St. Brown are in the exchange. This works, don't be negative.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:09 pm

I hear you, CW, and you're not wrong. I just think that the more running plays Cobb gets, the happier opposing defenses are going to be. If the defense needs to pick its poison, Cobb as a running back is probably the most palatable choice they could have. I don't think it will be effective enough for them to truly respect it.

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:31 pm

I’d say that it seemed to work with Ervin without ever being significant in terms of yards per play or many where he toted the ball rather than acting as a decoy.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 01:00 pm

Again, I'm not really arguing, but....

I think Ervin at this point is a more dynamic runner than Cobb. Ervin averaged 5.5 yards per carry with GB, which is actually pretty decent and much better than Cobb's average - although it's obviously not a very fair comparison because Ervin played in MLF's system and Cobb didn't. Point is, I'd prefer Ervin to Cobb.

But even with Ervin, I don't doubt that a fair amount of his success was due to the fact that defenses were probably said, "We'll give ya Tyler Ervin all day if it means that you don't throw to Davante or hand off to Jones." I get it that you can't throw to DA or hand off to AJ every single play, of course.

Just a question: Without even seeing him in camp, who would you feel more comfortable with in this role - Randall Cobb or Amari Rodgers? I don't think I would say Cobb.....

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:31 pm

Duplicate

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Minniman's picture

July 28, 2021 at 02:42 pm

Perhaps an over-looked point in this thread (but addition to your point Coldworld) is who else Cobb will be lining up with. Cobb’s no longer going to be considered a WR1 or 2 and will be defended accordingly.

Potentially Cobb will be lining up with Adams, Jones, Tonyan and either Dillon, Lazard or MVS (I’m leaving out Amari Rodgers and Deguera as they are not proven entities yet)

When this group gets defensively matched up, Cobb is no longer getting guarded by CB1 or 2 (like he was in his last years at GB). He could end up effective by virtue of this fact………… it would require Rodgers to learn from his NFCCG fail and share the pill enough throughout the season to the other players to sell that matchup though.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 05:19 pm

Exactly, Minniman. Great point. He's so locked in with AR, and has the veteran experience to sit in an open place in a zone for Rodgers to find him. We're not talking about a huge number of plays that he'll impact, but I think he'll contribute significantly on important ones throughout.

17 games is a long season. Having both Amari and Cobb? Great depth at the essential jet/slot for MLF's offense. As a concession, seems a no-brainer to me, especially if he reworks his deal.

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jurp's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:36 am

Are you sure that AR recognized that he failed in the NFCCG? When he hosted Jeopardy he sure jumped on the 'It was stupid to kick the FG" bandwagon, effectively throwing MLF under the bus for his own failure at the end.

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Since'61's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:57 pm

Marpag1, Cobb is not there to run the ball.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 01:01 pm

That's what I'm saying, right?

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RCPackerFan's picture

July 28, 2021 at 02:47 pm

Lining Cobb up in the backfield doesn't mean that he would be rushing the ball. Perhaps they start that and motion him out. Perhaps they motion him to the backfield. The reason why this works is because he has experience doing it. I don't know how often he will do it or if he will. Just saying that is a possibility. He would be more of the receiving option out of the backfield.

Cobb did all this stuff in college.

My initial thought on how they might use Cobb, is how they use Ervin. As the Jet sweep/motion guy. But also use him in the slot. Gives them a lot of options really. Putting him in the backfield can create some interesting looks.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 04:14 pm

Yeah, that's a sensible position, RC, and I get it. But...

If we're talking about jet sweeps, reverses and such where the player will line up in the slot or outside, then I would prefer to see Amari.

But I'm more focused on the idea of lining Cobb up in the backfield. I don't like it at all. A lot of people think that putting Cobb in the backfield makes GB "more multiple." I seriously doubt that, because I don't think anyone takes Cobb seriously as a runner. I wouldn't. I'd give them that all day.

If you have Aaron Jones in the backfield, that is massively "more multiple" than having Cobb back there, because to be honest I respect Jones more than Cobb as a receiver when he's coming out of the backfield. And obviously Jones is a first rate runner, while I would classify Cobb as a liability as a runner.

In fact, I would consider the offense - generally speaking - to be "more multiple" even if Dillon is in the backfield, simply because Dillion needs to be taken as a serious threat to run, and I don't think that's true about Cobb.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 28, 2021 at 06:03 pm

Andy Herman blocked you! You're one of the last people I'd expect someone to block.

Even on that 75 TD reception shown in the video, everyone caught up to Cobb. Fortunately he had a Packer to use as interference to get to the end zone.

I don't even like Cobb on the jet sweep. I'd prefer someone who had some jets. Now Amari is not a burner, but he does have considerable acceleration. I don't know what Cobb runs today. In GB at the end I'd say about 4.6 but maybe he is healthier now than he was back then. Cobb didn't blow by linebackers consistently at the end.

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jurp's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:38 am

So, Cobb in the slot can run some "snail sweeps", can't he? :)

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RCPackerFan's picture

July 29, 2021 at 01:20 pm

Yes. Literally asked him a question and got blocked.

Oh well.

Cobb at this point is more of a chains mover type then a homerun threat. But he is also a guy that can be counted on to make plays on 3rd down. I would agree that Rodgers would be a better option to do the jet sweeps and motions stuff, but I still think Cobb can do it.

I just think the offense fits Cobb well. Moving him around will be a good fit for what he can do.

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Bure9620's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:24 am

Anything short of SB appearance is a massive fail now. There is really no other way to say it. Rodgers is QB, Offensive coordinator, play caller and Director of Pro player personnel. I don't like any of this. I think it ends badly. Worse than if he didn't come back this year. A playoff exit and the media will point fingers at everyone BUT Aaron Rodgers. I am now to the point where I would rather watch Love play and develop....

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:44 am

In agreement!

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:50 am

Hey Bure!

I understand where you're coming from, but pretty sure all good Packer fans understand this is Super Bowl win or bust. We were going to be there anyway, had the events of the last 3 months not played out. Now the 3rd year on AR's contract, which was pretty much useless, is gone, in exchange for MUCH NEEDED cap relief, and the continued development plan for Jordan Love.

The Packers are really in a much better spot with this. Much better. And, so is Aaron, whether this works or not. If this is successful, and we win another SB this season, I'm sure Aaron would stick around for another go. If not, we move on with what should be a solid trade for the team, adding assets and even more cap relief. I think the team had an understanding that the majority of fans wanted Rodgers to get another shot too.

I don't mind this one bit. Plus, Love becomes a much stronger backup in the process, should AR get dinged. We've seen how a 2-3 week injury to QB1 can affect playoff seeding, etc. I like that Love gets this opportunity to learn more from the MVP, get more reps in TC, and he and Aaron appear to have a really great relationship. Big pluses there.

This move made a lot of sense for both parties. A lot of positives could be realized.

GPG

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Minniman's picture

July 28, 2021 at 02:48 pm

Not to mention that Rodgers may actually be receptive to teaching Love some of the nuances that a HOF QB knows that even position coaches don’t.

If he was strong-armed into returning, I don’t see him voluntarily helping Love (he still may not).

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:46 am

Honesty, what's left of Rodgers' legacy is on the line as well.

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:15 am

I agree, Bure. Rodgers has put himself out there for the year in the spotlight through this and for a year he was always going to get. In doing so he’s set in train an expectation that he’s gone if he doesn’t light it up this year and deliver when it counts (however unfair). He’s just amped up everything on him personally. I hope that doesn’t lead to more conflicts with LaFleur as in his first year. This could implode just as easily as it could succeed. If it fails, it will be on him. The FO won’t be to blame: he has the tools and what he wanted, or enough to motivate him. Now he must deliver.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:21 am

Hey Coldworld, I consider you a friend. All kinds of shit can happen. Just go with it, man. Nothing we can do about it, but hope for the best!!!

Have an awesome day!

btw. camp reports and interviews should be super fun today.

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:44 am

GG, it’s better to understand the implications rather than uncritically follow what is imposed I think. Cobb the man is a good guy, fortunately. That said, Cobb’s return is a Rodgers creation and there are potential pitfalls for the team and Rodgers. I think it’s fair to point that out.

Love your optimism. I just hope we can get these deals done and focus on the roster and play once camp is fully underway. This is going to be a really interesting camp and, if we are to win, it needs to be one where football is king and drama is yesterday’s news.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 05:41 pm

I get the bigger implications and all that you've mentioned. My feeling is Gutekunst felt differently, and it appears done. No doubt, precedents are being set that I don't much care for at all, like yourself, but that world appears to be changing. Rodgers is the MVP. Gives us what most consider our best chance to win, which I've questioned without knowing the circumstances, but that's done too. That's all.

Potential exists for these deals to work on many levels and to fail just as easily. I'm actually stoked about this. They'll get the other stuff figured out, and I'm looking forward to seeing this play out, hopefully for the better.

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Bure9620's picture

July 28, 2021 at 05:04 pm

The just go with it mantra is pretty much ignore everything. The new GM has brought in Randall Cobb for above market value. I do not agree with this move. I hear our new GM also plays QB well though.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 28, 2021 at 06:12 pm

I agree that AR has stuck his neck out for Cobb.

I didn't have a problem with AR wanting input on wide receivers since I think he knows what to look for in a WR. So I didn't have a problem with the Kumerow remark that some folks cited derisively. Yet, I am not thrilled with acquiring Cobb because that implicates expending draft capital and scarce salary cap resources. Kumerow over Shepherd or Taylor was okay in my book for AR to mention. Distribution of $$$ and draft picks is another kettle of fish.

I don't know that Cobb was a condition precedent of AR returning. If Gute at least felt the Cobb makes the team better and that what it takes to acquire Cobb isn't out of line with the market, I'd feel better. If Gute was outright coerced, then it is more of a problem.

Also, if GB's FO was always planning on divesting the team of AR by 2022, then I don't think it matters too much. Look for Cobb to come here with four void years and a tiny cap number for 2021. I am not against a one-year all-in program, but I had hoped and assumed it would be a 3-year window.

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CheesyTex's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:22 pm

TGR -- I still have a tiny bit of hope that it will be a 3-year window. If part of the consideration #12 gave for voiding 2023 plus a say in personnel matters helps with Salary Cap this year AND next (or if that help is buried in the "other mechanisms"), there is a good chance he'd give it a go if the sailing is smooth this year.

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Lphill's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:34 am

So all good that Brady lobbied for A Brown and Gronk ? How about Desean Watson demanding he have input in decision making , Mahomes and Wilson voiced displeasure in team personnel and they listened , yet you are buying into the Schefter speculation .

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stockholder's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:26 am

I hope they dance too. But you hit the nail right on the head; with why couldn't it be a DL. King, Keke, and Z. Smith are showing up on sick list. Which speaks volumes. ( And why Clark needs help. ) Avoiding it only shows the brain fart. Randall Cobb isn't a brain fart. He might just be "A" missing piece. Which is how the last of the money should be spent. On a WR who can return PUNTS. But- I'm not ready to give up on MVS. He's a keeper and won't poison Andys Drama. Messing with Rodgers. Keep your back to the wall.

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PeteK's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:58 am

Cobb is not returning punts, he has been brittle the last few years.

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stockholder's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:19 am

He will return punts, If needed. Rodgers remembers Jeremy Ross, Montgomery etc. No way a rookie will stay in there if they fumble.

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:20 am

He is nothing more than a safe pair of hands these days, based on recent seasons. That’s not without value, but it’s not what we were hoping for. As a reserve yes. If Cobb is active and Amari is not returning, Amari is likely inactive. That will further retard his development and possibly waste a significant portion of his returning prime.

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Lphill's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:29 am

I think Rodgers played the sports media like a fiddle and his Packers buddies were in on it , now let’s play football !

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:27 am

Have to agree with you, Lphil. No question. Never doubt James Jones. That's my big takeaway...!!!

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:35 am

If Rodgers silently and via surrogates trashed the Green Bay Packers for 4 months all for the sake of a worthless void year on an agreement HE signed while demanding he get a declining WR buddy on the 53...he's not well.

The real deal in my view is Rodgers could not force the Pack to trade him and his fat contract to a bright lights NFL city out West, he folded. The Packers tossed him a few crumbs to help save face.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:58 am

Yup

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:07 am

LambeauPlain, we all experienced that. Not all players are alike. Clearly, there have been some dealings in his upbringing that brought on relationship issues. We're all human. As humans, we're all fallible. No one is perfect.

Aaron Rodgers is the reigning NFL MVP. Bringing him back for another shot may truly have been #1 on the Packers FO list. They were adamant that he was not available. I thought that might have been a negotiating stance in a potential trade, but, I was wrong. It is possible they wanted him back 100% for this year, and they got it done.

In the end, they appear to have worked out a very symbiotic deal, one that really does benefit the Packers on many levels. Any deal requires both sides to get something of value. Glad they got this done.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:40 am

Loved the wedgie suggestion, and the video!

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stockholder's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:00 am

Bet he gets a pie in the face.

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TXCHEESE's picture

July 28, 2021 at 08:57 am

I think Rodgers wanted Cobb to come back for a shot at a ring. He realizes this is a super talented roster with a legitimate shot at the Lombardi. If the Packers can get DBak back in a reasonable time frame and otherwise stay healthy, they will be a dangerous force offensively. This also gives them time to develop Amari Rodgers some without putting too much on his plate and there is probably no better teacher for Rodgers than Cobb.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:51 am

I think Amari would be fine without Cobb, but it can't hurt.

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:57 am

As far as Amari is concerned, live game snaps are a better teacher than Randall Cobb.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:01 am

Al, you were spot on with this one and knocked it out of the park.

I hadn't heard about the Herbert rumor, but I sure agree with your comment!

I simply don't see room for a 31 year old Randal Cobb in light of both defensive line and marginally the inside linebacker positions being at least what I view as more needy than the wide receiver position; especially if we have to eat that 8 million dollar contract this year. It's a fact of life that football is a young man's game and I do think we have a couple of young receivers who could compete well for that final spot that Cobb would occupy.

Thanks for that super article, Al.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:23 am

I really think the Randall Cobb add is being blown out of proportion a bit. Sounds like he is willing to rework his deal to make it more cap friendly. That would allow for a DL addition at roster cuts or via trade if they find a suitable partner.

In DAL, Cobb had quite good numbers two years ago. In 15 games he had 55 rec on 83 Tgts for 828 yds, 3 TDs, and 41 1Ds and a 95.9 rating when thrown to, by Dak Prescott in a new system. His HOU numbers were down with injuries and limited use, but he still put up a 125.8 rating when throw to.

The ability to receive a look from your QB and know exactly what to do is difficult to attain. Cobb and Rodgers have that, just like Adams and Rodgers. Now we have TWO chain movers who know their QB explicitly and vis a vis. Could be very special.

We'll have to see, but there are a lot of positives with his return. I understand the negatives attached, with Amari possibly getting fewer touches, yet I think they will be mitigated with the mentorship Cobb provides.

Agree with you, Al, on giving Rodgers a proper welcome back by his teammates. Just to be able to witness that...

Ditching any of the negatives from this ordeal and throwing my full support to them for a successful season, and closing the deal. I'd love to see them win it all.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:46 am

It all depends on the deal. Let's see what the Packers paid to placate their prima donna player.

I am still concerned that one year after Houston gave Cobb a huge 3 year deal with a majority of the money guaranteed to be the featured receiver, they traded for Miller and couldn't wait to get rid of Cobb.

That seems more to me they saw his decline and had buyers remorse. Then here comes the Packers to take him off their hands.

Skill position players drop very very fast. Hoping Cobb is not but his 2020 season was one of his poorest and he was bit by the injury bug yet again.

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:59 am

Hey LP. I totally get all of that and agree. My point is, this looks to have closed the deal in bringing AR back for another shot, and MUCH needed cap relief. I do think Cobb re-works his deal if the trade goes through to help our cap even more.

The age thing, I question. It's not like all good receivers just can't perform past 30 years of age. Maybe his use is limited early in season to save his body for the playoffs, with the exception of increased reps vs. the Bears...

Cobb with AR throwing to him will be much different than what he experienced in either DAL or HOU. We'll have to wait and see, but could realize some magic in all of this.

If not, we cut our losses, and go with what should be a more well rounded Jordan Love & Co. in 2022.

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murf7777's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:05 am

I'm with you GG, barring injury, Cobb will have a bigger impact than most think. That connection those two had was very important for big plays to happen, whether that be a key 3rd down or TD. It shouldn't take those two long to have that great chemistry and route running connection. My opinion, he will be our 2nd best option after Adams for making big plays. Not because he is faster or more athletic, because due to age I suspect he isn't, but more about his connection with Aaron and he has shown to be clutch in big moments. That trait just doesn't disappear.

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PeteK's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:22 am

10 mill in cap space for an often injured player. I would have rather kept the cap space for an available player later in the season. We can only dream/hope that the Love train develops into something similar to Herbert. I'm glad Rod is back , but I have had enough. Time to turn the page on the Rodgers era. If some of our rookies develop and draft capital from trade, it will still be a young talented team for Love. Looking forward to see our young draftees in camp.

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Coldworld's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:29 am

Even if he were free, the question is what could that cap money have been used for and what do we lose in giving him a spot? Hard to know, but the opportunities lost could be bigger than the headline price. Hard to know, and it could work out ok, but I doubt it would be a decision anyone would make absent Rodgers.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 28, 2021 at 06:31 pm

I think you should know the exact price before getting too worked up (and I should take the same advice!). I agree that the space would be better used elsewhere, so we agree on that. I, too, am not pleased by the Cobb acquisition and even assumed it was a media driven meme without reality. Wrong on that one!

The cap hit won't be $10M. It won't be $8M. It might be $5M divvied up over two years net. When I see what it is and what AR did with his contract, perhaps some measured analysis will be possible. Yeah, I know, I arguably haven't been exactly been reserving judgment either.

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Packers0808's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:24 am

I have a gut feeling the Cobb move will involve very little for the trade to get done. I am thinking not much more than a lower round draft number.

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stockholder's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:28 am

Better then Tavon Austin

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greengold's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:45 am

I hope you are right, Packers0808!!! That would be fantastic. We'll have to wait and see. Regardless, I do think Cobb will re-work his deal to help the Packers cap if he makes it back in the fold. They know added cap will help Gutekunst fill out the remaining holes, should there be any.

Most of us fans point to DL. I think TJ Slaton is going to help this season more than most rookie DL. He's already got NFL DL size and strength, with exceptional explosive speed for a man his size. Kind of rare for rookies, as they usually take 1-2 years to develop that level of strength. While he is a rookie R5, I think he might surprise. I'm sure Kenny Clark is going to take him under his wing to be successful too.

Add to that, the staff have been steadfast in their support of Lowry and Lancaster. It baffles me, but, maybe the problems were more with how Pettine used them. ???

Cobb and Rodgers are on the same page here, I think. They saw Brady helping with TB's cap to allow crucial roster additions to help them get over the top. This just might work. Have a great day bud!

GPG

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marpag1's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:00 am

I hope so, but think of it from the Texans point of view. If, as reported, ARod's return actually depends upon a trade for Randall Cobb, don't you have GB totally over a barrel? Don't you try to gauge them for everything you can, knowing that GB can't have the ARod thing fall through? Why on earth was this Randall Cobb thing actually ANNOUNCED before any trade was completed?

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Packers0808's picture

July 28, 2021 at 03:49 pm

I was right for ONCE 6th round pick trade for Cobb!

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:03 am

So Cobb comes to a team that really doesn't want him - led by a QB that really doesn't want to be there. Somehow I guess this all makes sense. It will be interesting to see how all these distractions affect the season.

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Lphill's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:29 am

Have you had a direct conversation with Rodgers or just speculating?

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:04 am

Davonte, Randall, Amari, Marquez, Allen = DRAMA.

That's good, Andy!

And I agree with others who say Cobb has likely sealed the fate of ESB and Funchess to be on another team regardless of their Camp and preseason performances because Cobb is an untouchable. Hopefully one or two of the younger WRs, especially Gaithers can make it to the PS.

The other consideration is how the Rodgers player demand might affect his value to other teams wanting his services. Cobb is an additional cost. Who is next...Davante?

"Hi John...and yes, you heard right that the Broncos are on my trade to list. So I am ready to join you but I need Tae too or no deal."

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Leatherhead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:12 am

Randall Cobb: With his acquisition, I see a pecking order of Adams, Lazard, Cobb, MVS, and Amari Rodgers.

I like Cobb because I’ve seen him rip the heart out of the Bears, twice.

He’ll help us more than any defensive lineman would, and here’s why: When this offense scores 30 or more points, we’re nearly unbeatable during the LaFleur era. We were 10-1 last year, the only loss coming in overtime of a game where we turned it over 4 times.

If we’re scoring 30+ points, a rotational DL isn’t going to matter, and we’re going to score 30+ a lot, and Cobb will help with that.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 06:14 pm

I’d like the downvotes explained.

Fact: When we score 30+ points, we win, just about always.
Fact: We get to 30+ a lot. 11 out of 16.

So if Cobb can help us get to 30 , that helps the team more than some rotational Dlineman who might help us win a game where we’re held under 30.(3-2 last year).

We resigned Bakhtiari and Jones to Big$$ contracts. We’ve loaded up on Olinemen. We have the reigning MVP and are loaded with receivers. The Last Dance is about this offense, not some rotational Dlineman. We’re looking to score 30+ every game

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 28, 2021 at 06:41 pm

I didn't downvote you: I was too surprised by the sentiment you expressed to think in that direction. I can think of some possible reasons:

1. Pecking order is out of whack. MVS is the only deep threat that forces opposing teams to scheme for. He is going to have the most snaps of any WR not named Adams, IMO.

2. Lots of people think games are won in the trenches. Help there is always useful.

3. GB is still averaging 34 PPG allowed in AR's playoff losses. Addressing that issue might be a good idea.

4. How much will Cobb help? We can't really just compare because Linsley and Wagner (1,383 snaps last year) are gone. [I love the Dennis Kelly signing, BTW.] I think you're right to believe Cobb will help, just wondering how much and at what cost.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:28 pm

Thanks for the words and the reasoning.

I think The Plan is to win games with the league’s best offense, directed by the reigning MVP. And he wants Cobb, who is a smart and proven vet. We scored 30+ eleven times last year, and won 10 of them. If this team scores 30 AND has one or fewer turnovers, it’s almost unbeatable. So yeah, Cobb helps, more than some rotational DL would. All we need is a defense that can hold people under 30.

Feed this offensive beast and watch it dump Thirty Burgers on everybody.

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MilwPackFan's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:10 pm

#1. You can't score 30+ points if your offense is not on the field. With our tight cap/limited resources any additional (event rotational) players should go to defense.

#2. It's more than what can Cobb do / not do, it's about how much disruption does this move create during the course of the season everyone knows needs to hum smoothly to get the prize. How many nuances does this open with AR now calling shots in middle of games for Cobb, and all the countless other examples starting to pop up in this thread like how miffed now will MVS be if Cobb doesn't get the same disgruntled looks when Cobb drops a pass like MVS does... to me it's more about about disruption vs the few times Cobb can add to 30.

PS I'm usually the guy who gives you thumbs up when most other are downgrading - I almost always agree with your takes. But I do hope you are right and the fears above are wrong.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 28, 2021 at 09:39 pm

Minnesota was the only team last year that beat the Packers by keeping the offense off the field, in the second half. Dalvin Cook is a helluva back and he was at his best that day. Didn’t work so well when Henry tried it. This defense is unfairly maligned and is an above average defense, especially against the pass.

There was a guy with the same username at Packerchatters and PackerNation. Is this you?

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MilwPackFan's picture

July 28, 2021 at 10:22 pm

No, i've never commented on other boards, this to me seems like the best board out there for us fans. Clearly my creativity in name picking needs more work :)

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Since'61's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:35 am

Rodgers wants Cobb because Cobb knows what to do when the plays break down. He gets open and has a reliable set of hands. he can also be enough of a diversion to help Lazard or MVS get open. Cobb is a security blanket for Rodgers especially on 3rd downs. I'm guessing that is when we will see Cobb the most.
It's too early to expect Amari Rodgers to fill that role.

As for Rodgers getting Cobb it's all good if it helps us to win. Cobb is a better slot receiver than anyone else currently on the roster except possibly for Adams when they move Adams into the slot. MLF should come up with a play or a few where Adams goes into the slot and Cobb spilts out wide. That should mess with the heads of a few DCs.

If nothing else Cobb will be an excellent mentor for Amari Rodgers. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:55 pm

Hear Hear.

Rodgers trusts him, and for our diva QB that makes a world of difference. Maybe now he won't stare down Adams and force throws with two wide-open WRs waving like crazy for the ball.

I mean a man can dream...

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Alberta_Packer's picture

July 28, 2021 at 01:09 pm

This is why players should never have a say in personnel decisions. Nor can I blame the FO - as they did what was necessary to ensure the best possible year for the team - while securing the planned development for Jordan Love. And while we have to hold our noses at this bit of Aaron Rodgers (GM) - this almost guarantees his exit from the team after this year. Still there is so much more to enjoy about the team this year and possibly celebrate. As for Amari Rodgers getting bumped by Randall Cobb - not much to distress about. One of Cobb's most consistent traits is his penchant for being on the IR. Rodgers, sooner or later, will get on the field.

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Slim11's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:44 am

This team doesn't NEED Cobb...he's only coming in because Rodgers WANTS him there.

I haven't seen anyone discuss what this might do to MLF's authority especially during games. He sends Lazard or MVS in for a particular play and Rodgers sends one back saying "I want Cobb in for this series." If this scenario starts happening, I could see MLF telling Murphy "fix this or I'm done." After all, the HC and the GM report directly to Murphy now.

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mnbadger's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:34 pm

Great point.

Also, does RC18 get the stink eye and arms waving treatment when he drops his first catchable ball? If not, MVS should have a word with mr wonderful, our quarterback. I like the idea of a sideline wedgie. GPG!

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Leland's picture

July 28, 2021 at 11:48 am

Think of Cobb as a WR5 or WR6, he is certainly good as one of those. We have to trust the FO to work an acceptable contract. Add he needs to go through camp uninjured. Add his mentor status and that he is a good guy and this is not a terrible deal. Let the dance commence.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

July 28, 2021 at 12:50 pm

"I though we were pretty good at WR already."

Oh yeah, we have Adams, Lazard who shows up for 20% of games, Mr. Butter Fingers, the rookie with zero nfl snaps, and....? Pretty good indeed...

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packer132's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:34 am

Lazard had a serious core injury, and thats why he was out for 6 games. He played in all 16 in 2019.

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packer132's picture

July 29, 2021 at 09:34 am

Lazard had a serious core injury, and thats why he was out for 6 games. He played in all 16 in 2019.

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Turophile's picture

July 29, 2021 at 03:30 am

Jersey Al, I did wonder if the right song to reflect the circumstances would be this little gem by Roy Orbison

All the rainbows in the sky
Start to weep, then say goodbye
You won't be seeing rainbows anymore.
Setting suns before they fall
Echo to you that's all that's all
But you'll see lonely sunsets after all
It's over, it's over, it's over
It's over.

.................Then Rodgers came back and we can still see rainbows for a while longer.

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