Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Days of Our Lives

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

These are the Days of our Lives - As I wrote a few weeks ago, every week brings a new tidal wave of speculation and sentiment regarding the Aaron Rodgers saga. This week's wave is, "Rodgers will be back!" Although it's not what I want to happen, it's what I've always believed would happen. On an episode of Cheesehead Radio roughly a month ago, I was the only one of the three co-hosts to predict a return (again, against my personal wishes). I now think it's more likely than ever now that he will WANT TO return - with extra motivation (legendary chip on shoulder) just to prove all those counting him out wrong. Fresh off his darkness retreat, his "people" certainly have called his attention to the stories that were written last week, claiming the Packers were ready to move on. There is no way Rodgers' ego will allow him to accept that premise, even if true. I also don't see Rodgers wanting to start over with another team. He will either return to the Packers (if they'll have him) or show the world this complicated fella doesn't think like the rest of us, and give up $59M to retire. "Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our (Rodgers drama) lives." 

Between the lines - Most interesting thing Gutey said in his Combine interview: When asked if he wanted Aaron Rodgers back, he said, "those discussions have to happen and we have to see if it's the right fit." Naturally, that sounds like a standard non-answer, but I'm curious about including the "see if it's the right fit" part. Under what circumstances would you say a four-time MVP who has never played for another NFL team not be a good fit? Why not just say, I'm not going to comment on the situation until we've had a chance to sit down and talk. Maybe I'm trying too hard to read between the lines, but I feel like there may be a not-so veiled message there.

Huh? Second most interesting thing was Gutey talking up Mason Crosby and how he expects his leg to be stronger this year. Gutey blamed his leg strength issue on a "rather significant little injury" Crosby had in preseason. (BTW, how can a "little injury" be "rather significant?") Anyway, I admit to assuming Crosby would not be re-signed to save cap space, but that doesn't sound like it's the plan.

Combine Time - Seems they have juggled the position days into a different order this year. The one I watch the closest is the offensive line - especially the field drills. In the past, I've been able to glean useful information from studying those drills, mostly revolving around who is NOT going to live up to expectations upon entering the NFL. I remember telling all my Giants fan friends that their team had made a big mistake drafting Ereck Flowers with the 9th overall pick in the draft. Watching his pass pro sets and an absolutely awful kick-slide had me pretty certain he was NOT an NFL tackle. But I digress. I've been very disappointed (pissed) the last few years for a couple of reasons - they took away some of the drills I found very useful (like that kick-slide drill), and they seem to have no problem cutting away to commercials right in the middle of some of these drills. They don't do that for the skill position groups - I am not ok with this disrespect for the big guys!

Nixon's the One! - If the Packers could only resign one of their own free agents, Keisean Nixon would be the one for me. That's kind of crazy to think that this previously middling NFL player could elevate himself to "most wanted" status in just a season, but there's no denying which current ex-Packer had the biggest impact on the team in 2022. So, like Tricky Dick Nixon back in the 60's & 70's, my campaign slogan to bring back Keisean is "Nixon's the One!" (BTW, a little research turned up some rather colorful slogans that Nixon supporters were putting on buttons). 

In the works - The CheeseheadTV Draft Guide elves are hard at work in the film room evaluating this year's crop of draft prospects. Should be available for purchase on April 3rd.

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:57 am

I’m just killing time here while I wait for the reservation window to open up on my favorite campsite in the UP for Labor Day. Frankly I don’t see any Rodgers drama other than that drummed up by the sports media and a certain type of rabid foaming at the mouth fan base. We will know when we know. And maybe just maybe Gute is happy to have Rodgers take his time - see if there is interest from other teams in a trade. Either way I will be rooting for whoever our QB is this year.

I would also say that Masons little injury was one that wasn’t enough to take him out of the game but was enough to affect his performance. Sadly that is the modus operandi of the NFL. Play through it because you’re paid millions to. Never mind healing and rest time if you can suit up show up. I hope to see this change with the realities of a 17 game schedule. We can afford to rest a few starters as it barely takes a winning record to get in the playoffs anymore (if even that).

Ok wish me luck three minutes and counting!

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:08 am

Good luck Rare! You got this....✌️😁👍

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:20 am

I didn’t get it despite hitting reserve the second the clock struck 7 am. All lakefront campsites at Presque Isle immediately booked. I did manage to get our second choice though, a nice spot on the end of the loop with neighbors far enough off to let the doggos feel like they have their own space and close to the water pump. When we were there last year we were able to walk onto one of the lakefront campsites to watch the sunset. I love camping folk :)

Frankly I’m just happy to get a spot on a holiday weekend. Years past we usually sat them out assuming it wasn’t worth the hassle. This year though we are burning a ton of vacation on a trip to New Zealand so if we want a long camping weekend we gotta play the holidays.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:28 am

Sounds like it’s still a good score, Rare! Nicely done.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:35 am

Niceee! Presque Isle was one of my mom's favorite places. (she is a yooper). You will LOVE New Zealand. We flew into Sydney to take in the Opera House and then onto NZ. We rented an RV...fun! The landscape is beautiful! We kayaked Milford Sound and took in a tour of Doubtful Sound.

Mannn, I am stoked for you! 👍✌️👌

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:15 am

Never heard a bad thing about a trip to NZ. A lot of my slacker time at work is planning in minute detail the trip to NZ these days. We'll start in Auckland, do the sunset/evening banquet feast tour of Hobbiton, then on to Rotorua for some hot springs etc. etc., LOTR/Hobbit concert in Wellington (one night only!) all the way to Queenstown over a two week span. Yesterday's big revelation was driving straight through Christchurch and on to Mount Cook and spending two nights there so we can have a full day of hiking in the area.

Oh wait, sorry, are we supposed to be talking about football? Didn't think there was much to talk about yet :D

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:58 am

Yes, check out the Hot Beach...crazy cool. Rent a shovel.

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 03:55 pm

I hadn't heard of that. Looks like fun but we won't have time to be heading up that way. Pretty much have to start heading south right away, get out of Auckland on the first day and then hit a couple waterfalls/trails on the way to hobbiton and we're booked solid the rest of the north island trip.

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Minniman's picture

March 01, 2023 at 01:42 pm

It sounds like you've got a full schedule anyway, but the Milford walking track is a great one. On a tight schedule (and if you are based in the mid south island) you could also head over the Haast Pass from Wanaka to the West Coast and go hiking on the Fox or Franz Josef glaciers - there's some crazy mini ice-caving options (if you're into that)......... Also there's some really good craft beer brewers over that way........West Coast is like Oregon, a bit wild, but you've got space to breathe and take in an authentic part of the country.

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 03:52 pm

It's going to be mid/late May when we are there so pushing from fall into winter. Considering how tight our schedule is I'm a little leary of hitting the west coast and having to get back over the mountains. I'm going to check out the route though because other than easier driving we don't have any need to drive down the east coast of the south island.

... and it looks like going down the west coast and taking the Haast Pass to Queenstown would be doable. We miss hiking at Mount Cook but the drive would be more scenic it looks like. Now you've given me something to think about...

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:42 am

"I didn’t get it despite hitting reserve the second the clock struck 7 am. All lakefront campsites at Presque Isle immediately booked."

Plenty of openings up there right now Rarescope. How do you feel about snowmobiling ? ; )

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:54 am

Did some snowmobiling as a teenager, mostly just riding along with friends to get out of the house for certain reasons... man it was hard to get that lighter lit in those North Dakota blizzards! Broke through the ice once skipping across the reservoir in Jamestown. I also did a little bit of riding in West Yellowstone when we hosted foreign exchange students. It was a memorable experience but not something I'd do every day. I like skiing and all but the hills aren't big enough up there, and we don't x-country for long enough per time to make it worth going up there in the winter. So that leaves us shooting for either pre or post black fly season. Last year we went up tent camping in mid-October well prepared for some chilly nights and had some stunning fall colors to enjoy. Food was cold the second you took it off the fire though :D

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:45 am

"Frankly I don’t see any Rodgers drama other than that drummed up by the sports media and a certain type of rabid foaming at the mouth fan base."

It is comical more then anything. When it comes to Rodgers, the Karen's come out strong no matter what he says or does.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:44 am

I don't know about you RC, but I feel zero drama from this :) It will be whatever it will be.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:58 am

Tom Silverstein's column on JSOnline this morning points to his thinking the Packers will take a much harder line with 12 this year than in the past--he says he gets this from "reading between the lines" on BGs Indy presser. We'll see, but I feel pretty confident that most of this was figured out in principle long before ARod pulled a Gollum and hid in a cave.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:23 am

When you start adding things up.....

The GM: "Love is ready. We're confident:." He's on record with that.

You've also got the stuff about being all-in. And instead of saying in "We're not trading Rodgers" (like he said two years ago), now he's saying "everything is on the table.".

Silverstein, like Mcginn before him, spends time with these people, and the people who spend time with them. I'd take him at his word.

IMO, the Packers are ready to move on and they will. It's March 1. There is the obvious deadline of March 15, two weeks from today, but if Rodgers has decided that he's all in and wants work his ass off to bring a title to Green Bay this year, then he should know by now, IMO. Ask Jordan Love, today "Are you ready to committ 100% and work your ass off? and I doubt that he hesitates.

You would think Rodgers is a smart enough guy to know that it's over here. If he wants to keep playing, the simple thing is to pick up the phone, and tell the team he wants to keep playing, but that he understands if the team wants to go with Love, and that he'd like a trade, if possible. Maybe Vegas, so he could be reunited with his amigo.

That's the smart, simple, honest solution for Aaron Rodgers. He walks away from Green Bay on his own terms and with some class. He goes someplace else and helps them make the playoffs and they're all happy. He goes into the HOF, he's well-received if/when he returns to Green Bay. Take the Win.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:40 am

"That's the smart, simple, honest solution for Aaron Rodgers. He walks away from Green Bay on his own terms and with some class. "

Firmly believe this is all about trying to set this up as an amicable, faultless divorce: two partners just grew in different directions--best for both parties in terms of PR.

...until people start writing books.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:25 am

"Firmly believe this is all about trying to set this up as an amicable, faultless divorce: two partners just grew in different directions--best for both parties in terms of PR."

That could be true. I have no doubt one way or the other that Rodgers knows what direction the team wants to go. If the Packers have told him they want to move on, Rodgers may very well retire rather than start all over with a new organization and new teammates.

That's is not something I seriously thought would happen, but the recent vibes coming out have me thinking that is a distinct possibility. We'll know soon enough.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:48 am

Excellent comment LH. I particularly liked the part where you compared the difference in the levels of commitment between Rodgers and Love. That in itself is what excites me the most about the prospect of Love starting. Its been a long time since we've had a hungry qb whos itching to prove himself under center. That creates buzz. Say Love comes out and hits the ground running. The boost that would bring to not only the offense but the whole organization as well as the fan base would be immeasurable.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:12 am

I completely agree dobber.

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jlc1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:26 pm

Just wondering what negotiating leverage Gutekunst has to take a "hard line"?

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:16 am

I'm right there with you Maine.

If Rodgers comes back and plays for GB. great.
If Rodgers comes back and demands to be traded, and the Packers move onto Love. great.
If Rodgers retires and we move onto Love. great.

We have no control over it, we are just watching. I'm not letting what he decides to do affect me and my life. I will still watch the Packers when he does move on and however he moves on.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:47 pm

That's the same way I look at it RC.

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Yooper_Belle's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:48 am

As we say here, come spend yo' money, then go home.

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:18 am

Happy to! I've been up there probably 2x a year every year since 2020. After living in Montana the Wisconsin state parks can be nice but a little on the small side :/

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:00 am

That's what she said...

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fthisJack's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:50 am

The key is max internet speed otherwise its like shooting a 30-30 at a deer 400 yards away.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:23 pm

Back when they had .223 Accelerators in .30-.30 cartridges, you could shoot deer at 400 yards away... Shame they outlawed them... ATF didn't like not being able to verify ballistics when that .223 round was surrounded by plastic coming out of a .30-.30... Lol

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:10 am

All-new episodes of the soap opera, “As the Stomach Turns,” just landed, and as you called it, Al, waves are heavily involved in Season 3.

Wait for it… the mescaline is just beginning to hit.

Let’s just imagine any AR trade scenario would involve some of his friends, like, hmmmm…. Maaaason Crosby?

Will “Combine Time,” involve Bill Murray handing you a bottle of Gallo thru a cloud of smoke…???

Stay tuned for more offseason high-jinx!

Don’t be surprised to see that commercial smack dab in the middle of OL testing at the Combine, with a quick cutaway to Bak slamming a beer!

Don’t be alarmed if you see Green & Gold vapor trails. That was Keisean Nixon.

Just… relax… and enjoy your trip.

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:21 am

I don’t know what that was but it was hilarious :D

Also, got any more of that mescaline?

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:19 am

IMO Crosby should retire, especially if Love takes over. I love Mason, but before his injury he was struggling to find the end zone on kickoffs. He has already set a Packers record that may never be broken. If Rodgers and some of his old friends leave, I could easily see this happening.

I think we should draft our next stud kicker in this draft. Jake Moody of Michigan is a guy we absolutely should target. I would not be upset if we used our best 5th rounder on him; do you think a clutch franchise kicker is worth a fifth rounder? When you think about it, I do.

Other guys we could target are Maryland’s Chad Ryland and NC St.’s Christopher Dunn

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Rarescope's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:32 am

I’d be thrilled with a fifth on a kicker and one more year of Crosby. He’s had too many great years to not bring him back if able.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:52 am

Once upon a time in a not so distant past, Al Davis drafted Sebastian Janikowski in the 1st round lol. 5th round is fine for a kicker. IIRC, Crosby was a 6th rounder right?

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:40 am

I wouldn't waste a pick on a kicker...at least, not before the sixth or seventh round where you essentially get your priority UDFAs. We've reached an era where most teams carry a second on their PS, and there are several experienced guys knocking around out there who are capable kickers with a reasonable track record. The biggest issue is handling the cold weather, and Crosby kicked in Colorado where they could start the game at 55 degrees and sunny, but finish in the 20s with nasty winds. He was well-suited to kick in GB.

As for Crosby's injury, I seem to remember that he didn't kick in any preseason games last year as he was nursing a hip or thigh problem. I suspect that was the setback they were talking about. His accuracy was improved over 2021, but he struggled in the 50+ category, and his kickoffs were not helpful. I don't want the Packers to have to carry a KO specialist (unless it's the punter). I would rather Crosby moved off into retirement, with appropriate fanfare and glory.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:43 am

Do you think Mason was worth the pick? Do you think all of the clutch FGs and accuracy was worth one 6th rounder? I sure do.

Moody of Michigan has experience kicking in the cold.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:06 am

Do you think Brett Conway was worth a 3rd rounder when the Packers took him? Never kicked for the Packers, but had two good seasons with Washington. I realize I'm being a little snotty, but judging a player in hindsight is easy.

What's the success rate of drafted kickers vs. that of UDFA or FA kickers? What are the needs of the Packers relative to expectations and roster planning? In a league that's shifting away from the kicking game and toward "going for it" on 4th downs, I just think this is a team that's going to be in a phase where gambling on a position player with a pick up til round 6 or so should win over picking a K.

I gotta tell you, as a person living in MI, it's usually not December/January cold when these guys wrap up at Thanksgiving, and they don't practice outside enough for it to really matter when the weather actually does start to turn.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:36 am

A lot of drafted kickers and punters don’t turn out well, at least for the drafting team. If a FO truly believes in a kicker as a stand out talent, and I’ve a little more faith if Bissacia is around and involved, then maybe. In reality though, it’s a position where a guy who has played elsewhere or bounced looking for a real opportunity may well be as good or better.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:42 am

There's no bigger PR gaffe than drafting a K or P who doesn't pan out.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:17 am

When you draft a kicker, best not to cut him too soon like Zimmer did with Carlson. The good specialists are generally drafted in rds five or six. A lot of punters taken rd four in '22. Crosby sounds like he wants to stick around for awhile like Vinatieri.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:02 pm

There is no doubt involved with sherman taking BJ Sander, a punter, with a three pick. Mind blowing.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:47 am

One of Ted's all-time great picks. Ruggles was a transfer from N. Carolina. Moody, Andre Szmyt from Syracuse were both Lou Groza Award winners. Ryland from the Turtles. Melvis has the big leg, lacks accuracy.

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stockholder's picture

March 01, 2023 at 01:57 pm

Remember JK Scott ?
How did that turn out.
I remember a draft expert
saying," it's a wasted pick to
draft a kicker. "

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:10 pm

Yes, was going to add that. Though it has to be said that the highest ever taken punter was also the best punter ever: Ray Guy. I think he justified his first round spot. As for us, I think Chester Marcol was a second and worth that.

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PeteK's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:11 pm

Yes, time for a mini rebuild. AR needs to go so that we can find out if Love is our next QB, sooner than later.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:19 am

Oh geez, a Tricky Dicky reference! Suffice it to say, I spent nearly a year of my life sweating and hating that SOB while trying to avoid getting my ass shot before I could get home and resume my life. Thanks, Dick!!

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mnbadger's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:43 pm

I apologize for what you were put through. I'm about 10 years too late to the party to have been subjected to the shit you guys were. Over seas and upon your return.
As a nation, we should have done better.
GPG!

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T7Steve's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:22 am

Keep an eye on those linemen for me Al. Getting the O/D lines up to top form (including edge and TEs) is the goal that should be the main priority for the Packers this offseason. Really not any point in trying to help anywhere else if we keep getting pushed around. There are guys that have had two or three years to come around but haven't. Time to move on and give someone else a chance to at least give us some solid depth.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:25 am

If you’re talking about Myers he has basically only had one year. Nijman and Runyan also, for most of last season, played completely different positions than they have played for their pro careers. An off-season of training on the right side should help.

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T7Steve's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:00 am

I like Nijmam and he did a fine job. I think he only had trouble on the right side while playing hurt at the end of the season. Runyan's a keeper too. He doesn't get penalties. The guys that started the year on the right side are who we're talking about (Newman/Ryan). Unless they can back up center or special teams I don't think they should even be considered good depth. Then there was Lowery on the D side.

It actually might be coaching. They kept starting these guys even when people here on CHTV actually picked the best five on O. It started out with injuries, but even then, that proves how bad the depth was.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:56 am

I don't think we should be too hard on Rhyan in terms of his ceiling until we see him this year in camp. Not all guys transition quickly from playing on the edge to playing in a phone booth. I have heard that he needed some maturity in his approach, though, which is concerning for a guy who was a multi-year starter, all-PAC 10 selection, and team co-captain in college.

I think it's fine to judge him for being a bonehead on his PED thing, though.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:40 am

Is his head on straight may well be the first question. He us a guy who could be gone in the off season if he hasn’t or could easily show up and prove why we picked him if he has. I just think he’s going to have to show he’s worth keeping.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:53 am

Maybe they gave hime the wrong masking agent?

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 01:45 pm

So you think compulsive eyebrow groining is the modern version of the giveaway mustache twirl of yore? Dastardly Matty LaFleur?

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:24 am

Just in: Kenny Clark has been restructured. His was an obvious necessity; saw this coming.

I wonder why Bakhtiari isn’t done yet? Maybe they’re having second thoughts?

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:41 am

Both Bakhtiari & Rodgers primed to restructure their contracts with either the Jets or Raiders… or Titans, or… ???

Can’t help but think that will be a package deal.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:56 am

It's time to come to grips, with the fact that Rodgers isn't going anywhere! As ready as I am for the next chapter, It's not going to happen.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:27 pm

Should Bakhtiari be moved a 1st round OT will absolutely be needed. Say Paris Johnson, Peter Skoronski, or Broderick Jones. The problem exacerbate the endless cycle of having to draft an OL high & passing on other needs, particularly at skilled positions. This was the year, particularly if we had two #1 picks in round 1 that the Packers could use a #1 for a WR, or a TE.

Why would I see Bahk basically being a throw in without comparable compensation?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:53 am

$11.068M in cap cleared. Exactly the amount foretold in my last article. Water is wet.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:57 am

Speaking of former US Presidents, as GWB would say, "don't misunderestimate" yourself TGR. You may think you only have a firm grasp of the obvious, but there are those of us out here that rely on and trust your Cap knowledge.

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BradHTX's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:28 am

Truth. Having a fan on the comment boards with as deep a knowledge of cap dynamics as you, TGR, is amazing. You’re an incredible asset to Packers fandom.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:27 am

Water is wet? I'm not so sure. Check again, please ;-).

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:22 pm

Not always in these latitudes.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:23 am

Hey TGR! I have a few,... no,... a good number of questions for you, ones entirely out of my wheelhouse:

1. Do you get the sense this good deal of cap clearing recently undertaken is in anticipation of dead monies we will be forced to absorb in AR's possible trade?

2. Should more re-worked deals follow soon with players like Rasul Douglas, De'Vondre Campbell, Pat O'Donnell, Jon Runyan, would they hypothetically add more fuel to the trade scenario becoming a reality?

3. How exactly do those monies/penalties affect our cap (are they immediate hits that must be covered?, etc.)?

4. Is there a re-working of a Bakhtiari deal that would augment a trade with another team, or would that potentially be trade prohibitive/adverse for the Packers?

5. Same question re: Runyan...?

6. Regarding the last two (considering NYJ in need of OL + QB), if they don't re-work deals with Bakhtiari/Runyan, would that also be something you'd consider indicative of a potential trade?

With a better understanding of this, I'm thinking subsequent moves by the Packers might lend themselves to a better reading of the tea leaves set afloat.

I'd very much appreciate your thoughts on this, along with those of anyone else here.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 01, 2023 at 01:06 pm

You da man Tgr!

Thanks Jim!

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:03 am

They have a little time now they are under the cap. Remember, all these extensions are just pushing cap out into the years up to 2026. That’s ok if they really make a meaningful difference to our prospects this year, otherwise it’s a poor investment once we get past the point of having enough room to do what teams need to.

I do not watch the combine. As you say Al, the most interesting visuals aren’t the sprints or presses. Those I just want the scores for. It’s the agility metrics, not just for OL. But the combine coverage of course focuses on the obvious. In most cases it’s the comparatives that are the most enlightening anyway: versus expected, class peers and past draftees.

As to Rodgers, who knows? At this point I’m ignoring everything until we know something tangible.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:04 am

The thing I hate most with all the "kicking the can down the road" moves is it leaves the team with almost no flexibility. Remember when the Bears cut Julius Peppers? He was an unexpected free agent and since he was cut he didnt count against comp pick formula. Naturally, Teddy T jumped on him immediately because he had the flexibility to do so. Packers are almost never in a position to make a big move like that and almost certainly wont be anytime in the next 3-4 years. And what do they get in return? They're now tied to aging players and their ever-growing price tags for even more years. The opposite of the "move on a year early rather than a year late" philosophy which worked so well for Thompson. The "kicking the can down the road" approach, imho, is better described as "putting all your eggs in one basket." Not a fan.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:33 am

Very well stated. Exactly the way I feel. We should be trying to maximize success in 2024, and not sacrifice that so we can be a little more comfortable now in 2023

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:50 am

Yesterday I saw that they were working with Clark and Bakhtiari on doing their contracts. I would assume they will have Bakthiari's done today or soon as well.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:15 am

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/28/packers-working-on-restructu...

I thought they might wait to see how other "chips fall" before touching Bakh's contract. I think they're far better off in the long run if they can get by without restructuring...maybe getting him to agree to push his roster bonus back so it creates flexibility in how they deal with his future.

In the end, he's an asset, whether that's a salable one or one you hang onto. I'm far less concerned about his knee and practice time than I was in November. I think this signals what may happen with Nijman and how he figures into the team's plans going forward.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:24 am

Yeah i'm not sure.

I just saw a thing on twitter saying that they were in the process of redoing his and Clarks deals.

i'm curious to see what happens with Yosh. Do they tender him, do they not. I'm curious to see what happens.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:08 pm

I think they'd be foolish not to tender him, but if he doesn't figure into their long-term plans, they can put him in at a 2nd round and see if someone will bite.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 04:09 pm

Well, if your long-term plans involve protecting your QB and creating holes for your RBs, even when people get hurt, the Nijman should certainly be part of that.

This guy can play Left Tackle in this league. He might not have all the versatility you'd want, but you can start him at Left Tackle without killing your offense.

I hate to keep going back to this, but we dress 9 OL and as sure as God made little green apples that #9 guy is starting important games for you at the end of the season.

We've got to hold on to what we've got. Including Bakhtiari, we've got 6 legitimate NFL starters on the line. Room for three more. This talk of letting Nijman go or trading Bakhtiari is suicidal, IMO.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 04:48 pm

I've got nothing against David Bakhtiari. I love the guy, and he's a phenomenal talent at LT. Only he and one other player allowed 0 sacks in 2022, with 250 or more pass blocking sets.

My reasoning in imagining him as a trade package component for any AR trade is very simple:

1. AR and DB are close friends, and we know how Aaron likes to have his friends around him, especially Bakhtiari covering his blind side. This part of it is a no-brainer. Of course AR would pull out all the stops to bring Bak along for the ride, should he be traded.

2. Bak has cap hits of $29M for 2023, and $33M for 2024. He has a $9.1M Roster Bonus due on March 18th, and carries with him the 8th highest cap hit for non-QBs in the NFL. Those are big numbers, and cutting a player of his caliber loose, at 32 years old, with plenty left in the tank to play at a high level makes this his likely high mark in trade value, where the Packers might realize the greatest return.

3. With the Packers being able to start a new clock on Jordan Love as our possible QB1 for 2023, they might also wish to start a new clock with a new 1st Round pick at LT, and realize significant cap relief.

Totally agree with the idea of keeping Yosh Nijman in house with at the very least an R2 tender.

I'm not pining for cutting Bak loose. Not at all. Just looking at where we stand in a scenario where we truly are beginning a new era in GB, and the options available to the Packers.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:07 pm

Well, the whole thing with Bakhtiari is a lot like an extended chalkboard screech because I thought it was a mistake when we extended him . And THEN he had a major injury on top. So I'm drinking lemonade

IMO, we're better off, on the field, with Bakhtiari in uniform. He has a very important job in protecting the QBs blind side. Some people have argued that LT is the second most important position on offense, and even though I don't really agree with t hat, I do think they're important.

The cap hits are what they are. Sometimes, Life is a Shit Sandwich and you eat it or starve. We owe him this money, and he's going to get it. But other than the money that we already owe him, he's kind of a bargain this year. Next year is next year and I'll probably feel differently, but I can see Bakhtiari as a solid member of an above average line and we don't have enough of those.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:51 pm

The Packers being better off on the field playing for the Packers is not up for debate. That’s a given.

My interest in the possibility of DB being packaged with AR grew upon learning how devoid of quality OL depth the Jets are, AR’s most likely trade destination.

It was that simple. Seems logical on many levels, and symbiotic, which is important in deal making between two parties.

“Suicidal,” was a poor word choice that I take some umbrage with, and doesn’t come close to the truth. Let’s be real here.

Trading away both players, however unlikely that might be in today’s NFL, would not only allow a top LT candidate to be added via trade, R1/R/2 with the added draft capital, it would clear enough cap to readily add another starting caliber player there in FA, increasing overall team depth.

There would also be the added benefit of starting some of those positional cap clocks over in terms of fiscal responsibility. I’d like for our team to work its way out of this hole they’ve been digging.

I have confidence in Jordan Love as QB1, and could see someone like OTs Paris Johnson Jr. or Broderick Jones complementing our other OL players enough to be more than effective.

Another plus is OT is one of the position groups in R1 historically with the lowest bust rate.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:58 pm

Regardless of their strategy, GB would be foolish not to tender Nijman at the 2nd round level, in my opinion. RFA tenders aren't guaranteed and it is just $4.3M for a starting OT.

[I write that even though I am not as big a fan of Nijman as many in the comments, but teams can win with him. He is okay if he is your OT, though you might keep an eye out for an upgrade. He might even still have some upside.]

Nijman and Runyan become UFAs in 2024. A trade of AR means GB should have enough cap space to keep both of them if they want them, even if both have solid years in 2023. If AR plays in GB in 2023, things might be too tight to keep both. Then again, perhaps they trade Bakh at the 2023 trade deadline or in 2024 in March. Maybe they pick up Love's 5th year option, perhaps they don't. Lots of moving parts.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:22 am

Looking at it, another void year and a whopping cap hit in 2024. Put that with Jones’s deal and it looks like 2024 may be being set up for a mass clear out in the hope of another last dance this year. Rodgers deal would have to be reworked, since his current implications for a departure next year is prohibitive.

If I’m right, they are trying to do the same with Bakh. Their approach to Watson and Co.’s third year will be to lose Jones, Clark and others and start a rebuild of the cap then but with significant dead money through 2026. I suspect Crosby gets a one year deal with void years and maybe a few others too.

I assume that they hope cap growth will Minimize that and are banking in wage inflation not being significant enough to be a problem. This would purchase a chance to to run things back with Rodgers one more time and then clear the decks. Love can presumably can get a long term deal as part of this. Whether he should want that given what the future vista will be is a fair question.

If I’m right, the reason for dithering is really that the desire of the leadership collectively is to bet it all on Rodgers plus LaFleur (and Barry/Stenovich as OC) one more time. If so, I fear they are deluded, but it fits. If the season isn’t a success I don’t see them having anywhere to hide except behind a poison chalice to successors. Cap constraints, unworkable contracts for key pieces.

Of course, that will come with key departures and youth but with cap burdens, that’s not the boon it ought to be. Love of course would be in his first year starting (if he stays). They are hoping to shift the rebuild back another year and make it deeper and with more and longer comparative cap disadvantages. They are putting the pieces in place and praying Rodgers plays ball with this.

That’s my prediction. Just my sense of how the threads are coming together. It’s a one more year and done proposition for Rodgers I expect. Certainly it would appear completely unsustainable afterwards as his core cadre will disappear. I don’t know how much trade value we will get from Jones and Bakh at 30 and 33. Others like Crosby and Lewis will retire.

I think it is nuts, but I think it’s what they want. Some will be happy, now if not necessarily during the season.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:32 am

"Of course, that will come with key departures and youth but with cap burdens, that’s not the boon it ought to be"

The Packers were the 11th oldest team in the league in 2022 (25.9 yo)...that's with the greybeards (ARod, Lewis, Crosby). Launch those three guys and replace them with guys around the average age in the league (26-ish), and they're 5th youngest. They're already a young team with cap burdens.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:47 am

I agree, but that is the price of 3 run backs and limited cap forcing draft first replenishment. We will definitely be much younger still in 2024 if my theory is correct, excessively so, but as an inevitable consequence. I hear what you are saying, however, I think that is not what Murphy has in mind judging by what they are doing. I’m not recommending what I predicted. In fact, as I have often stated, quite the opposite.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:34 am

The timeline would mimic the Rodgers saga. Love really lost a season in the covid year. He is essentially entering year three as a player. The guy to evaluate is Gutekunst, after the draft in April. I really do not want to see any fake punts from our 30 yard line; dbl reverse screwball plays on 4th and one, or 4th and Inches from LaFleur. He is also under the Klieg lights.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:46 am

I'm left wondering if all of these recent re-workings of contracts aren't in anticipation of dead cap monies that should hit with the anticipated trade of AR and possibly other players...???

I don't know the workings of those mechanisms, how those cap hits actually hit. Are they immediate, etc.? Are there deadlines within which cap must be cleared for a trade to go through, or is there a grace period, or does a team have to have the space cleared for a trade to be approved?

I'd love to know. Do some of these moves potentially make more sense given a possible trade, or not?

Seems like an inordinate amount of quick cap clearing to me, an oblivious outsider looking in. Do these look like the moves of a Packers team preparing to keep Aaron Rodgers, or trade him?

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:37 pm

We are going to be left with any signing bonus, so it theoretically makes these players more attractive to another from that perspective, absent other details.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:09 pm

That’s not necessarily a negative. Paying a signing bonus or two, for a cash strapped team looking to make the deal work, might compel our trading partner to toss in a couple of high future draft picks on top of their agreed upon compensation. Clearing the way in that fashion for a trading partner could really be a boon in future draft pieces for the Packers extending past 2025…?

It’s all speculation, but, could see a guy like Woody Johnson trying to work something like that with our Packers. Plus, the speculation is fun as hell to think about.

He said he was going to do everything in his power to make it happen. AR in a Jets uniform along with one of his OL could yield some legit prizes, in such a whack a doodle scenario.

I wonder how many here listened to/watched WJ’s interview with ESPN last week? It certainly made me stand up and take notice. He was delicately talking about AR & the Packers, as best he could without tampering.

He wants to win that Super Bowl, and sees AR as the means for this season’s Jets to challenge for it.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 04:20 pm

""If I’m right, the reason for dithering is really that the desire of the leadership collectively is to bet it all on Rodgers plus LaFleur (and Barry/Stenovich as OC) one more time""

We're going to find out real soon, but I'll go out on a limb here and say you aren't right, and Rodgers is finished in Green Bay. By returning him to the field, you'd be forfeiting whatever you might have received in trade. And, if he plays bad or gets hurt, like 40 year olds do, that's all going to fall on the FO

Gutekunst has come flat out and stated that they're very comfortable moving ahead with Love. Proxies like McGinn and Silverstein have sent some very clear messages. Rodgers isn't stupid. What's the point of returning here? To win a Super Bowl? He's had his chances here. But if he went somewhere else, and played well, and got that team in the playoffs, he'd be hailed as a hero.

He's done here. He's been told that. He'll move on.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:48 pm

"He's done here. He's been told that. He'll move on."

We've all been waiting for some finality to this, and finally someone has provided it for us. And I want to thank you, as I'm sure many other posters on here do as well. Finally, we can all move on. Again, thank you.

I know you said the same thing 2 years ago, and then again last year, but the past is the past, right? How many draft picks are we getting this time? Hopefully a Kings Ransom.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:07 pm

Actually, I didn't. In 2021, I was the one pointing out that the GM said "We're not trading Aaron Rodgers.

Last year, 2022, I thought the team SHOULD do the trade, and Denver was mentioned often, but we didn't pull the trigger.

Now, 2003, it's different again. We have a backup who is ready and a front office that has clearly signaled it would like to move on. Like everything else, the lay of the land in 2023 is different two years ago, when I didn't say what your faulty memory seems to think I said.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:16 pm

I am old and I forget things, but either way, I'm sure you have it right this time. Again, thank you for letting us know it's a done deal.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:05 pm

My sense is that some recognize that but that Murphy is still not there. Perhaps the conversations before leaving were largely meaningless, or perhaps he was told that it’s up to him, but within tighter constraints.

Those might be something like this: both sides go all in and then it blows up and you and we both move on, because it can’t be kicked out further for you or those you want around you or we move on now, but there is no 2024 for us. To do that your contract needs to change though. Who knows.

Certainly the waiting and moves to date are more consistent with that than with any other outcome I see. Yet I suspect that they may actually help unload some players if he choses not to return by ensuring we carry more of their contracts as dead money. That would seem a fall back option.

Just guessing, but I don’t see actions consistent with a desire to move on, only ones that don’t completely contradict it yet don’t seem compatible with a longer continuation beyond this year. Speculation entirely, but it seems to fit.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:12 pm

""but I don’t see actions consistent with a desire to move on, only ones that don’t completely contradict it."""

If you really had a desire to move on, you'd get a replacement ready so that you don't just suck after you've moved on. That'd be first. Then, you'd probably give some firm deadlines, like March 15, and a set of clear expectations, like taking the offseason seriously and working better with LaFleur. You might even use people in the media that you've known for a long time and leak out things like "we're disgusted" etc.

IMO, I see action after action after action that has led to this moment, and that when the dust has cleared, we'll have moved on with Love and whatever we can get for Rodgers in trade.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:54 pm

If I said that I would love you to be right about that, would you believe me?

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:36 pm

Of course. This can all be resolved amicably, everyone gets what they want (within reason).

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:25 am

All options are on the table, Love is ready to start, on and on and on.

Either the words mean nothing or they mean something.

We will know for sure by around March 15th. The Pack will trade Rodgers. Maybe.

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stockholder's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:46 am

The Rogers Drama has nothing to do with
How complicated he is.
He knows exactly what he is doing.
And I hope he comes back.
The more he shows up.
The more Gutey looks like a idiot for taking Love.
!. Drafting a QB made No sense; if your
Goal is the super-bowl.
If Rodgers leaves; shouldn’t Gutey draft another
QB at #one.
After all; were only a couple players away for the
Last ten years.
And since Love was drafted.
There has always been two plans.
But how can one GM be so right,
But be so wrong when it comes to Rodgers?
Think about it.
He’s the only guy in the organization
Who wants Rodgers gone.
Yet his draft moves are too costly
And too late. But let's give him more chances.
Gutey should be Fired.
And nobody has the guts to do it.
And as long as we're bringing up the OL.
It’s been a shell game at Rt.
Nixon should be resigned.
But I say he gets greedy like most FAs.

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Oppy's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:05 am

Rodgers is a toxic egotistical QB going on 40
Love is "ready to play"

Sounds like perfect timing to me.

Gutekunst might be the only sane person inside Lambeau offices.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:36 am

"Rodgers is a toxic egotistical QB going on 40"

Gollum!! Gollum!!

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marpag1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:58 am

As long as nasty Rodgers-man can bring us another Precious. We must haves it! We must haves another Precioussss...

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:24 am

“And in the darkness bind them?”

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stockholder's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:36 am

Get off it, you guys.
Gutey is clearing Cap for Love.
And to stay in power.
Not the Super-Bowl.
This team is so screwed.
Thanks to Gutey's persistence to
get Rodgers off this team.
We're going in cap hell for years to come.
You don't have to re-work every contract.

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Scott Stach's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:42 pm

I wish I had the time or the crayons to explain to you how much your head is up your 3rd point of contact...but it wouldn't matter anyways.

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Oppy's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:18 pm

You sir, are living in a very strange world that has no basis in reality.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:56 am

You totally get a point here too!

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:56 am

You totally get a point here!

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T7Steve's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:07 am

A team should draft the best player available even if they have to reach up for him. The Packers used to and should draft at least one QB every year. UDFAs are ok but why are they UDFAs?

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:18 am

If Rodgers knows exactly what he is doing, then it would seem in his interest to have informed the team regardless of what he has decided. I suspect that, like last year, as he has admitted, he in fact isn’t decided. This is more and more like Favre in effect if not the characters of those involved.

PS. Rodgers comments yesterday on the Aubrey Marcus Podcast:

“There’s a finality to the decision. I don’t make it lightly. I don’t want to drag anybody around. I’m answering questions about it because I got asked about it. I’m talking about it because it’s important to me. If you don’t like it and you think it’s drama, and you think I’m being a diva or whatever, then just tune it out. That’s fine. But this is my life. It’s important to me. I’lI make a decision soon enough and we’ll go down that road. I’ll be really excited about it.”

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:10 am

"But this is my life" without even a hint of courtesy for the multiple football organizations and their fan bases he's stringing along. Title of this article says it best.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:22 am

Not concerned. It's a business decision on both sides.

Don't get attached to the livestock.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:18 pm

A little more detachment in terms of decision making from at least one of the parties would, it seems to me, be a good thing

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:19 pm

Yes, it is his life.

Shortly.....days, maybe, he'll let the Packers know that he understands they want to go in a different direction and he'd rather go someplace else where he could still play, because he thinks he still can, and the truth is that he can.

The trade will be made. Rodgers will go someplace where he's hailed and everybody is happy. The team will get compensation.

Now, if he doesn't do this, if he gets irrational and insists that he's coming back to Green Bay, then the Packers are going to have to spell it out to him in black and white: It's Love's time. He'll take the trade. And either way, it's still his life. Or he can retire before he wants to, and it's still his life.

He's not forcing his way back on the team, like Favre tried to do. Too many of the same players are still around from that dance and nobody wants that again.

If I had the kind of money Rodgers does, I'd buy a yacht and fill it up with hot women and liquor. The rest I'd probably just waste.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:36 am

To an extent, I agree with you. A team should not take a QB in round 1 if the goal is the Super Bowl and they already have someone like Rodgers. However, many people forget the context of 2019. Yes, we made it to the NFC Championship, but we were never as good as our record. Rodgers had another decent season, and was a lot like 2022 Rodgers (minus 6 picks). What was unexpected is that Rodgers would then win 2020 and 2021 MVPs and re-establish the Packers as legitimate title contenders. Now that we're 8-9, the goal should not be a super bowl now, but in the future, after we can clean out the cap and accumulate draft capital.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:25 am

You can reason with some people 'til you're blue in the face, but it won't make difference.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:54 am

Not everyone is following the same star either. Just as was the case with the Favre transition. Not everyone even engages with fact either. For some it’s a mantra that brooks no real discussion or counter points , just repackaging; a lot of emotion but little debate. One tell is the ones who talk often on QB related matters and not much or at all on other or more detailed topics.

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stockholder's picture

March 01, 2023 at 01:48 pm

You may not like what you hear.
But you're going to hear it.
Until it's too late.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 06:56 pm

And long after, judging by prior instances

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:43 pm

Rodgers was ranked the 10th best player in the NFL Top 100 in 2018 and the 8th best player in the Top 100 in 2019.

While AR had Adams in 2019, the number two WR was probably Allen Lazard, who up until that year had played a grand total of 1 offensive snap in the NFL. The #3 WR was a fifth round rookie named MVS. The number 4 WR was Geronimo Allison, who at best was a hanger-on in the NFL. GB also had a washed up Jimmy Graham.

GB went 13-3. Adams missed 4 games and some snaps in other games, managing just 678 snaps. Certainly seems to me AR elevated that crappy receiving corps in a new offense with a new head coach and system, though the offense was about 15th in points. Good offense line, and two good young RBs in Jamaal and Jones, though. Jones got his career high for rushing attempts.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:19 am

He is obviously, in denial. He blew that draft. Pulled the rip cord too soon. As I mentioned, just dissecting the Dallas contest, #12 was in better health, had the fire ball and the deep shots were on the money to Watson. Playing hurt he looked the fool in Detroit, but the issue is LaFleur not playing Love. The Tee Higgins comments by his GM reveals the whole story. Rodgers will be starting, unless he goes the Jim Brown route and
goes full Hollywood. Gutedkunst has been in contact with Love's agent( also Rodger's guy) to set the parameters for a refi of his rookie deal, or design a trade. I like Rudy Ford as a guy to keep. He hits people.
Barry blitzed Savage 4-5 times off the edge to impact Dak, but he doesn't get home. I will go CBs before safety and convert Douglas to FS. He cannot keep pace with fast guys. Gute is in year six. The same year Ted won with Rodgers. The QB got them close to the SB a couple times, but they draft and keep a guy like King? A.Jones will be scrutinized this season. Another near fumble in the Dallas game, carrying the ball in the wrong arm. The defenses smell blood and will attack him this season. Fundamentals of Football. "We like Our guys." Two four picks tossed out the door. They will need an every down RB from this draft.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:24 am

Apparently Vogon spoken-word poetry is contagious.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:01 am

You can always provide your own analysis. I watch the games, not the salary CAP.

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PatrickGB's picture

March 01, 2023 at 05:33 pm

I would not let Murphy off the hook. I read somewhere that Gute wanted Love and Murphy wanted to keep Rodgers until Aaron retires.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:48 am

These are the Days of our Lives -
Its amazing how many people truly believe Rodgers is automatically gone no matter what. I believe this is about as close to 50/50 as we will get. Which means its not a guarantee he will be gone, nor guarantee that he will be back. At this point why are we worrying about it? Why do we daily come on here and talk about him non stop. For all the people that "can't stand him", they sure like to still talk about him.
This is what I believe happens. Rodgers will say he wants to keep playing. He will talk to the Packers. They will tell him, he can come back only if he is fully invested. Meaning he has to be around more in the offseason. And the other thing they will tell him he can't do is go on and bash the play calling all the time. I believe he will work with that and will be back in GB. Love will then sit the bench one more year and will be the starter next year.
This is how my thinking is today. It will likely change tomorrow, and there is a good chance I will be wrong. But at this point I don't see any reason to keep going on and on about him until we hear what is actually going to happen.

Between the lines -
The right fit part imo is what I just talked about above. That they want Rodgers to be more committed. To be here in the offseason program to build more of a rapport with the young WRs and new WR's. I believe this is all about them wanting him around more and more engaged with the team.

Huh? Second most interesting thing was Gutey talking up Mason Crosby and how he expects his leg to be stronger this year. -
This was definitely interesting. I expected the rest of it but hearing that definitely was interesting. Now my question with this. Do they bring Crosby back regardless of Rodgers? Is Crosby only back with Rodgers? I get with Rodgers coming back why they would bring him back. But would they possibly look to move on if Rodgers is gone?

Combine Time -
I never got into watching the combine. Because of things like you said. They cut away during drills and come back with another drill. Hard to watch imo.

Nixon's the One! -
Yeah, it would be hard to not resign Nixon after what he provided last year. First time since Cobb's rookie year that we had a legit threat as a returner. We need Nixon!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:12 am

What you're leaving out is the front office may decide to move on from him no matter what he chooses. They may be sitting back hoping he just retires so they dont have to make the decision. But they very well still could choose to trade him if he decides to continue playing. Doesn't sound like Gute wants him back very much.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:31 am

Or they can cut him. Same ammount of dead money - 40.3 mill $!

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:34 am

Why would they cut him?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:57 am

If they want to move on and ACR will not contact them for discussion on time!

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Tingham's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:12 am

His dead cap for 2023 is $99.7M. They are not cutting him.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:27 am

No, ask TGR. If they move themselves from the contract before new league start, there is 40.3 mill $ dead money hit for 2023. They can move him from the contract by trading or by cutting him. What is not clear? If he will be on the team at the beginning of the new season, they will have 31.9 mill $ cap hit but no draft picks for this season if they trade him before June 1st. After June first they will have cap hit of 58.something mill $ for 2023 (same as he is on the team for season) and something less than 90 mill $ for 2024, which they can split in half and have ~45 mill $ dead money hit in 2024 and ~45 mill $ dead money hit in 2025.

Ask TGR if you do not believe me!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:00 pm

No, factually incorrect. Cutting AR = $99M dead money. It can't be done. Utterly impossible.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:33 am

They maybe have moved on. Only they know.

But I'm basing this off of what I have been hearing from Jason Wilde, and Tom Pellisero, and others.

I don't think Rodgers retires. He doesn't sound like a guy that is going to retire. I think this comes down to Rodgers accepting to being around more in the offseason and for him to watch what he says a bit more in terms of play calling and whatnot. I think that is what GB wants. If he is good to those few concessions, I think he is back in GB.

If he doesn't want that stuff, I think they look to trade him and move on.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:52 am

He stated he wants to be a Packer for life. He is in better physical condition than Manning when he led the Denver ground and pound offense to the SB. The personnel dept placed Seven # one picks on this defense in an attempt to replicate Elway's Plan. Who are the All PROs beside Jaire? Gary is a rising star. See how his knee
works out. They would be advised, not to rush him back into the fray.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:28 am

"""This is what I believe happens. Rodgers will say he wants to keep playing. He will talk to the Packers. They will tell him, he can come back only if he is fully invested.

Meaning he has to be around more in the offseason. And the other thing they will tell him he can't do is go on and bash the play calling all the time. I believe he will work with that and will be back in GB"""

RC, the first part I agree with. Rodgers will say he wants to keep playing and the team has already said they want a guy who's 100% in.

It's the second part. It means a helluva lot more than being around in the offseason, and I've seen enough to know that he's not that guy, and I have to believe the 1265 people know who they're dealing with. They are ready to go with Love. Rodgers best move, if he wants to keep playing, is to call up the team and let them know that if they want to move ahead with Love, he understands, and would like a trade.

IMO, if he's 100% in, he'd have already told the Packers that. The fact that he hasn't........

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:20 am

Just being honest. If he says he wants back. I believe he is back in GB. But I think there will be discussions to what the Packers want and need from him. Their expectations will be a bit higher then before.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:36 am

The only discussions will be how much money he can adjust on his deal.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:55 pm

So, if AR12 is back at QB for the Packers, Love is supposed to sit quietly on the bench like a good lad for his 4th straight year? I guess there isn't too much to he can do or say, but it would be a pretty shitty thing to do to the kid when the GM says he's ready, no?

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x24's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:49 am

"I am not ok with this disrespect for the big guys!" Right with you here, how about a little more love for the real heroes?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 01, 2023 at 07:56 pm

How many Veterans are currently playing in the NFL?

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Razer's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:04 am

Is it really that important whether Rodgers returns or doesn't? Isn't the real question - does this organization have the skill and structure to build a championship roster?. Gutekunst waiting around, cat and mousing us about Love and Rodgers does not instill confidence. Restructuring the crap out of every contract and still not able to afford some decent veteran talent is not a building strategy. Are we building a new winning foundation or patching Ted's old house?

From the front office to the coaching staff, I am not getting a strong feeling that we are advancing on any front. So far "fielding a competitive team of high RAS athletes" is the only philosophy emerging from Lambeau. Waiting for Gutekunst to announce the resigning of Cobb and Lewis to know who will be leading the team.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:22 am

Very true in terms of the core questions in isolation and, in my view, your fears. The rub is that contract and what Rodgers staying means for the future. This is, unfortunately not a zero sum distinction, but one with huge implications.

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Razer's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:51 am

As a longtime fan, the direction of the organization post Ted Thompson is worrisome. Given the overall management restructuring, I get a sense that eking out another year or two of .500+ ball is the objective. Despite what Gutekunst says, this roster is not good enough to play with the better teams. Last season is exactly what this team is and it isn't getting better. Even Rodgers knows this. His dilemma is to finish out a couple of seasons on a middling team or jump into the great unknown.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:40 pm

Razer, you make a very prescient point: "Last season is exactly what this team is and it isn't getting better."

How much better they would be with AR having a healthy thumb, Gary returning to 80% of what he was, plus development realized in year 2 & year 3 players, plus some rookies making an impact, other players being fully healthy for 2023... etc? - all of that stuff floats in the ether.

Despite that, I think you're closer to hitting the mark here than many.

My thinking is the Packers FO realized their error, and that they are attempting to make a course correction by putting the wheels in motion in order to make a significant trade to right the ship.

We'll know shortly, but, I would think clearing a boatload of cap isn't to bring in a monster FA or two to take us over any kind of top. I think those contract reworkings were made to absorb dead cap monies that will hit with any planned trades.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:21 pm

Yup. There isn't enough money to shore up all of the glaring holes on this roster: TE, WR, IOL, DL (Clark, Wyatt and Slaton ain't enough), SS, FS, K.

There is the draft and internal development. Is Walker going to be a top ILB? Is Wyatt going to be a 3-down stud? Will Watson stay healthy and develop the chain-moving routes a #1 WR needs to bring to the table in addition to the big play stuff. Is Doubs going to blossom? Can Bakh stay healthy and is Jenkins back all the way, which I think he is. The rest of the OL is good enough.

Can the packers hit on immediate impact guys at 15 and 44?

I think it takes if not a miracle then a ton of things to go right.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:37 am

Exactly. Everyone forgets about the other members of the roster with all the QB drama

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Oppy's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:11 am

Listening to Gutekunst's interview yesterday painted a picture of a GM who's got 100% confidence in Jordan Love and is 100% ready to move on from Aaron Rodgers, but has been told my his boss that Rodgers gets treated with kid gloves and they must stand by Rodgers at all costs.

This interview just piggy-backed on top of Gutekunst's earlier off-season interview where he made the glancing comment about how the Packers will probably handle their cap fiasco.

Gutekunst is a lone voice of reason in that building who has been put in a situation where he can't effectively do his job.

The Packers should send Rodgers packing - one way or another- but probably won't.

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marpag1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:30 am

I dunno... I think lot of people realize that...

A) you're setting yourself up for a lot of crap (and not doing much for trade value, either) if you appear TOO eager to kick the legend to the curb, and

B) no one should ever trust what any coach or GM says publicly, ever.

I'm cautiously optimistic that the attitude inside 1265 is with Jordan Love.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:16 am

Charles Woodson said it best when asked about Jordan Love's development. He said, "The players know." And all we've heard from his teammates are glowing reviews about Love. Hell even Rodgers has talked about it hinting at the Packers wanting to move on to Love because he knows Love has turned the corner. No way he says that if Love wasnt at his heels. The players always know.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:17 am

Come on #12, pucker those lipz...look into the camera (don't blink) and say:

R-E-T-I-R-E-D

*only if the Packer organization can't find a team to trade you to that you would be willing to go. Respect your elders...you are 39 yo and the Packers are, how old? :)

*barkeep, please pass down the pretzels with the mustard bottle and change the channel to American Pickers. Oh, ready for shake of the day too.

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marpag1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:25 am

The Packers will pick up the freshly cut Marcus Mariota as the veteran backup to their starter, Jordan Love, after trading Rodgers for as much as they can get.

That's my story. Sticking with it.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 01, 2023 at 08:47 am

MLF worked with Mariotta in Tennessee, he's a vet who can run the "MLF offense" (whatever that is) and he can win in the NFL. A perfect situation. I'd be happy to get draft picks, or I'd be happy if he retired.

My best guess is Rodgers wants to be cut, so he can make his own deal, and also still get paid his entire $59M. As Tom Hagen says in the Godfather, "it's not personal Sonny, it's business"

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:19 am

Cutting him is definitely not an option. Its a $99 million deaf cap hit pre-June 1st and a $76 million dead cap hit post-June 1st. That aint happening lol.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:19 am

Cutting him is definitely not an option. Its a $99 million dead cap hit pre-June 1st and a $76 million dead cap hit post-June 1st. That aint happening lol.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:40 am

If they cut him before March, 15 the cap hit is the same as would if they trade him - 40.3 mill $. Nothing else. It is how contract is structured. If he will be on the roster after March, 15th cap hit will be 99 mill $.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:01 am

Correct RTS, they are not releasing AR. The post-June release would be 75.3M in 2023 followed by 24.4M in 2024. The only way the Packers come out of it with a dead cap of 40.3M is AR retiring or the Pack trading him.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 01:40 pm

If he wants to be released/cut he has only to match that with a willingness to adjust his contract. The Packers are unlikely to say no to a massively lowered cap hit for monies not yet paid.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:19 pm

You're unlikely to make out like Seattle (G. Smith) or Minnesota (Keenum) and find an all-pro season from a street FA QB, but Mariota is likely as good--if not better--than most vet backups you'd find. Here's how Mariota fared in his one season under LaF (pretend this link came from IKEA and add the https://www on your own):

espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/ten/season/2018

He didn't throw for much of anything, but did have a 68% completion percentage. He pretty much handed it off to Henry.

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Coldworld's picture

March 01, 2023 at 03:29 pm

Personally, I’d rather groom prospects as Wolf did and hope for a chance to recoup something than go with a retread. I do not see Marriota as a Geno Smith type or a guy who was a mentor/ minder like Deadly Doug Pederson. I’d stick with Etling over Marriota.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 04:28 pm

Marpag1 has hit the target.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:21 am

I'm more in for Heinecke, who already stated that he would love to come to Green Bay and have no problem to be back up. He stated that to be back up is the best job to have.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:02 am

Plug for the Draft Guide, guys. Buy it. It's very well done and worth the investment to support this site and forum.

Some may mock me as old-fashioned, but I say people of dignity and character should cough up some cash to support this site. Vince would, and you know Bart would, too.

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JerseyAl's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:04 am

A MILLION thank yous for that!

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MainePackFan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:08 am

I bought it last year, not only does it show our support for CHTV, but it's extremely well done and definitely worth the money if you enjoy draft content geared toward the GBP.

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greengold's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:52 pm

TOTALLY AGREE.

Cough up the cash and purchase a 2023 CHTV Draft Guide to support your cheese habit here at CHTV!!!

I'm looking forward to doing that myself, and always pop on them.

Al, When will the new one come out? Pre-orders available?

Do it! Loaded with great info and fun stuff for draft lovers, like myself. You won't regret it.

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Dragon5's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:18 am

AL,

Given the combine is a matchstrike away from igniting draft hype insanity , a suggestion / diversion, dare I say plea for a post escaping the Rodgers merry-go-round:

A discussion thread series...DRAFT CRUSH 1.0

1) CurdNation submit your 1st round draft crush
2) Submit your non 1st round / "hidden gem" draft crush
3) Keep response to 2 paragraphs or less

CurdNation, like this post 100+ times to get AL's attention ;)

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marpag1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:37 am

I would love to see the Pack get safety Brian Branch in round 1, and maybe one of the better TEs (Mayer, Kincaid or Musgrave) can make it to the Packers in round 2. I'm skeptical the players will be available, though

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:42 am

Don't sleep on Tucker Kraft of SD st. I think of him as the Christian Watson of TEs.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:22 pm

He's a combo guy, which should appeal to the Packers.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:39 am

Lukas Van Ness of Iowa. He seems like a player the Packers would love with insane athletic traits at a position of need (Edge/DL)

Dalton Kincaid of Utah. Travis Kelce 2.0. Would love to have a guy like that for Jordan Love

Cedric Tillman of Tennessee. Deep threat, strong hands, good size; just feels like a Packers receiver

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:43 am

Branch in the first, Adebawore in the second. My hidden crush is Cameron Latu.

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Dragon5's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:52 am

bring your ideas NEXT WEEK please if AL provides the platform

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JerseyAl's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:07 am

It's a bit early for this I think, but we can do it in let's say, around 10 days or so when we've had time to digest the combine data.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 01, 2023 at 02:24 pm

Draft crush; Nobody, on account of not having the slightest interest in college ball

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MooPack's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:35 am

"I now think it's more likely than ever now that he will WANT TO return - with extra motivation (legendary chip on shoulder) just to prove all those counting him out wrong."

I've never seen a player hold grudges like this guy.

"Fresh off his darkness retreat, his "people" certainly have called his attention to the stories that were written last week, claiming the Packers were ready to move on."

I think all involved knew that before he went in. Likely he went on this week bender to avoid the incessant questions for a bit.

"There is no way Rodgers' ego will allow him to accept that premise, even if true. I also don't see Rodgers wanting to start over with another team. He will either return to the Packers (if they'll have him) or show the world this complicated fella doesn't think like the rest of us, and give up $59M to retire."

I understand the ego that must go into being a NFL QB. Rodgers takes it to a whole new level. No, Don't think he retires. Not with that much scratch on the table. Why wouldn't he go to another team, such as the Jets, where he's the missing piece to get them to the SB? Is he not confident he can take them there? Afraid such failure will further justify the Packers moving on? Afraid it could further taint his legacy and give credence to the opinion he can no longer lead in the biggest pressure games?

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Leatherhead's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:39 am

Reading this stuff........I'm seeing PTSD. And when it's not making sense, people are just filling in the blanks with their own imagination.

It's March 1. This is going to be over soon. Relax.

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dobber's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:37 am

We're all along for the ride...

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:03 am

Like my grandma used to say; "in the absence of data, people make shit up."

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 09:54 am

Good one again, Al.

Regarding the days of our lifes - I'm with you. I really want ACR to leave Packers ASAP, to show to Packers what he insist from Packers - RESPECT! But, I do not see that. I have bad feeling he will get what he wants and he will bury Packers for years of incompetence. I feel sorry for Brian Gutekunst. If they bring back ACR, we might see Brian Gutekunst leaving the organization, which will be another punch for Packers.

Regarding huh - another issue that show the main Packers problem, fear of the unknown future. That kind of fear destroyed much bigger and stronger organizations than Packers are. That fear will consequently result in moving franchize from Green Bay one day, what will be pitty.

In the work - hope it will be again great success for CHTV.

Keep good work here. The best Packers page!

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fthisJack's picture

March 01, 2023 at 10:57 am

I don't want Rodgers back. He makes it sound like it's his decision and I'm afraid he'll say he's coming back. I hope somebody has the guts to tell him and he's being traded and put the ball in his court as to what his future will be outside of GB.

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splitpea1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:24 am

STs/Nixon's the One: The kicking job should be an open competition in training camp, but apparently Gute wants Crosby around until he turns into a fossil. I don't believe the injury excuse.... Ford deserves honorable mention when it comes to re-signing our own; without either Nixon or Ford, the Packers ST could regress back to square one. Bisaccia may be a good coach, but he still needs players that can get the job done. It will be interesting to see whether or not we get any improvement from the rest of the players on this unit, including the kicker.

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Dragon5's picture

March 01, 2023 at 11:49 am

The Jets have an ideal personnel situation for Rodgers. If I had to pick a destination for Aaron, metaphysically it would also be the Jets. Jets founded in a PIG year 1959. Aaron born in a PIG year 1983. New Jersey as a state founded in GOAT year 1787, ally of the PIG.

To NYJ: Rodgers, 2023 3rd, 2024 3rd
To GB: 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, conditonal 2024 1st, conditional 2024 2nd

Perhaps, like Elway, he goes out on top to cement his HoF career.

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Swisch's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:00 pm

Mason Crosby was excellent last season, practically perfect in producing points, and should be kept around as long as he's anywhere close to as good as he has been all of these many years.
Crosby is clutch.
Like a closer in the bullpen in baseball, it takes a special temperament to come into a game cold and perform at a high level consistently.
When it's the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field, there's an added dimension to coming into a game cold that even other good kickers may struggle with.
***
As with a closer in baseball trying to hold a slim lead in the ninth inning, so it is with a kicker attempting a winning field goal in the last seconds.
After a long and hard game, it's demoralizing to fall just short at the end, exhilarating to climb over the top for a victory.
Don't cheap out on a clutch kicker like Mason Crosby, but cherish him as long as he has leg up on the competition in terms of resourcefulness and results.

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splitpea1's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:22 pm

Part of the kicker's job is to kick the ball deep to prevent returns. The Packers ranked dead last in touchback percentage last season due to Crosby's diminishing leg strength, or whatever reason Gute would like to suggest.

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Swisch's picture

March 01, 2023 at 04:22 pm

The short kickoffs don't bother me all that much, especially in comparison to clutch field goals in the wintry cold.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if a dedicated and savvy pro like Crosby improved on his kickoff length going forward.
There will be a time when Crosby can't do it anymore, but he's done it so well for so long that I'm reluctant to cut his time short too soon.
I'm hopeful he'll know when to call it quits in coordination with his coaches.
As another comparison to relief pitchers in baseball, some of these kickers can find a way to defy time.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:08 pm

Just heard a country strong, "You got to stand for something, or you will fall for anything".

Stand tall Packer FO...like a TALL dog!!!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:19 pm

ACR showed himself on Aubrey Marcus podcast. On you tube 3 hours ago. He said his decision on future coming "soon enough".

And he was talking about how it looked like to come out of the darkness and lot of other things for 1 and half hour.

Go and watch if xou are interested in...

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Swisch's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:43 pm

I'd be glad to accept the challenge of following the Packers without the melodrama of Aaron Rodgers.
I'd be happy to focus on all of the other players.
Meanwhile, I dread the thought of Rodgers coming back with the same old attitude of increasing egotism and decreasing commitment to the team.
What a breath of fresh air it would be to have Rodgers gone!
I think a next season without Rodgers would be super exciting in team development and a real push for the playoffs.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 01, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Swisch, it is interesting. I believe it is worthy to listen! Seriosly!

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