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« on: July 15, 2008, 02:26:44 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

I feel totally different about all this after seein this interview

Update:  You can also see the video in its parts here:

Part 1:
http://packers.magnify.net/item/F7LSC5J10KLQPGC8

Part 2:
http://packers.magnify.net/item/9Y0LVTP2R0PTC3PH
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 12:02:47 PM »

different how?

Here are some of the Q & A because I can't find the fox embed or permalink.

Thanks Don Walker @ JSONLINE:

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ON WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A PACKER: "I can't envision being with anyone else or I haven't envisioned being with anyone else.  That has always been my focus.  I said then and I will say it now, really as I've said my whole career. Playing in Green Bay - and you're from up there.  There is nothing like it. There is nothing like it. And it is one of those things - it was destiny.  A kid from south Mississippi, a lot like Bart Starr, who would have ever thought I would go to Green Bay and have the career I had?

"And it's unfortunate that it's come to this and I'm sure there are a lot of fans out there thinking, from what they've heard, that Brett is a traitor, he wants to play elsewhere. That's not true. I was told that playing at Green Bay was not an option. Regardless of what you hear from up there. I'm not making it up. I was told that playing in Green Bay was not an option.

"Yes, I was told we can't imagine you playing, or can't envision you playing with another team, as well.  What does that tell me?  It tells me we don't want you playing period."

ON A MEETING WITH TED THOMPSON AFTER THE NFL DRAFT: "But this whole process - the only time I talked to Ted Thompson is Friday before the draft which I think this year was at the end of April, he calls me and says, 'Brett, it's Ted Thompson.'  'Hey, Ted, how's it going?'

"''Well, you think maybe I can fly down after the draft, Monday or Tuesday and just chat with you?' And I said, 'Sure. Yes.'

"And so we hang up the phone and my wife Deanna says, 'What do you think he's calling for?'  And I said probably going to ask me to come back. I don't know, what else is there?

"So he shows up, I think it was Tuesday around noon, maybe it was Monday, I can't remember the exact date, but it was a couple days later. We make small talk for 45 minutes. How did the drive go? What about your guys?  Pretty good.  And then it kind of gets quiet and...- I'm thinking to myself, here we go.

"'You think it would be OK if we dismantled your locker and sent it to you?' 'I guess, Ted, you know. Don't know what I'll do with it, but sure.' I'm thinking surely he didn't fly all the way down here to tell me that and it just kind of gets quiet again and OK, and he says, 'Well, OK, if I want to talk, I guess I'm going to run.'

"We stand up, and he looks at me. And he says, 'Are you and I OK?' I said, 'Yes. Yes. Yes, I'm fine. Sure. No problem.' And that was it."

FAVRE AS HE WALKS THOMPSON TO HIS CAR: "But I told him as he walked to his car, I said, 'Ted, I just want to give you a heads-up that, hey, you know, say July rolls around, I wake up and I say, man, I made the wrong decision. I have to play. Or maybe it's June or whatever, I said, I just want you to have a plan.'

"And he said, 'OK, Don't worry about that.' And that was it. He didn't say good, bad, indifferent, whatever. He just said, 'No problem. OK.'"

ON HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THOMPSON: "And, you know, Ted and I, I thought, have always had a good relationship. We don't talk a whole lot, we don't go out and eat and shoot the bull. But on three different occasions -- I don't want to say lied, I think that's kind of a harsh word, but I think untruth or whatever is better."

ON HIS CHAT WITH MIKE MCCARTHY: "I talked to him on June 20th. That was it. ...And you know, I said, 'Mike, I'm thinking about coming back. I've been working out at the high school. I said, and that was a big hurdle for me to get over. You know, don't want to get up and go up there and run and throw, which I did that this morning.  And I feel good.

"And you know, I said, you know, 'I'm thinking about it.' I said, 'I just want your take on it. And, you know, if I'm going to play it's going to be in in Green Bay, but I need to find out what their take is.' And he - oh, I could just see him. You know he's 'Oh, Brett, you know, we moved on.'

"And I said, 'Moved on?' And he said, 'Yes, we moved on. You know, I had to tell the team something. You know? You told me you were not 100% committed back, you know, not only when you retired, but several weeks after, you know when we were talking about coming down there.  And we've had that conversation where you said you were not 100% committed.'

"I said, 'You're right. You're absolutely right.' And I said, 'But Mike, and it was a good conversation. We've always had good communication, the two of us. "And I said, 'You're right. I totally agree. I was not 100% committed.'

"And I said, 'But you guys wanted an answer in March. And I gave you the honest answer.' And I said, you know, 'Had I been able to wait until training camp, that would have been great.'

"He said, 'Well, why didn't you tell me that? We would have let you do it.'

"And I thought to myself well, you know, you told me before the tryout I'm a free agent. And they ended up signing two kids in the draft. So that kind of tells you."

ON ASSISTANT COACH JAMES CAMPEN WHO VISITED FAVRE: "And he's caught in the middle of this, which he doesn't want to be caught in the middle of it. Yes, we are friends. We do talk. That's really how this whole thing got started, but, you know, that's not his job.

"He says, 'You know, I know they told you they're moving on and playing there's not an option. Playing here in Green Bay is not an option, which that's what they want. They want to move on. But I'm telling you, if you reinstate or you force their hand, back them in a corner, they feel like they have no other option, they're going to accept you back."

"And he said, 'Just telling you.' And I said, 'OK.'

"...You know, I didn't want to go back there after that. You know, and really already, after what Mike had told me when he said, 'Hey Brett, I'm sorry, we've moved on,' that was OK. That was OK.'

ON AARON RODGERS: "You know, the one thing in this, I do feel bad for Aaron a little bit. I think he'll do a fine job, to be totally honest with you, I do. He has been injured. I mean, the two injuries are not his fault. Couldn't control. I know this has been tough on him.

"I think he'll do a fine job.  And this has nothing to do with him, this whole deal.  If they want to make a backup -- the thing is, they had been preaching about we want to protect Brett's legacy and we think he should -- and we both know how, you know, what that's about.  How does that protect my legacy if I'm a backup, if I'm, you know, Brett, we'll welcome you back, we'll pay you $12 million, but you've got to hold the clipboard and ball cap?  That's probably better for them as opposed to letting me go somewhere and me coming back. Then their legacy, the management, would, you know, could be in jeopardy.

"Let me worry about that, you know?  You don't worry about my legacy. And you know, it's a bunch of bull. It's all it is."

ON THE CURRENT SITUATION: "I have talked to numerous guys throughout this whole ordeal.  I wish them the best, I really do.  I hold nothing against those guys. We had a lot of fun together. We had - it was an amazing year last year. I don't want to make it any worse than it is.

"I've always been a Packer, always will be a Packer. Will I play somewhere else? Remains to be seen. But I don't want to go back there just to stick it to them. And the only reason I'm doing this -- I got to a point, I hadn't been saying anything, I felt like I had to defend myself, which I don't like to do.

"And thinking about this, couldn't sleep last night, I said, 'I'm just going to tell the truth. I have nothing to hide.' And what they're telling is part of it. All I'm saying is I called, not long ago, said I was really thinking about playing again, and here we are. It's escalated into something mind-boggling."


Link to article here: http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/07/14/more-favre-comments.aspx
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 12:24:46 PM »

Well now i'm not so pissed off at the way favre has handled all this.. Since I actually heard his side of this I can see where he's comin from now
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008, 01:37:38 PM »

Well now i'm not so pissed off at the way favre has handled all this.. Since I actually heard his side of this I can see where he's comin from now

I've been able to see where he was coming from in the beginning.  My only beef is that he somehow thinks the Pack should just release him and then feels "slighted" somehow when they tell him no...

Guess he forgot what he told Javon Walker about contracts. 
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“You’re not going about this the right way. I’ve been around a long time and this stuff will come back to haunt you. I just don’t see much good that can come from it. If it gets time for the start of training camp and he’s not in, I think it’ll start bothering him, and he’ll be here. But once again, nothing should surprise you."

Or maybe he's forgotten what Sherman said about Walker and what the team had to do...:
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"We've already moved on. You can't wait for anybody in regard to that situation. You always put another guy in, and you go forward. Just like if you get somebody hurt - you move on, and you go."

Or maybe he's forgotten what he himself said about players holding out, demanding to be traded etc...and what that meant for the NFL....
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"Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt. If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I'll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined.”

Funny (and sad at the same time) that he himself is trying to play some of those very same cards...after creating (in large part) the very situation he is unhappy with.  Maybe poetic justice would be to trade him to the Raiders so he could be reunited with the last malcontent who wanted out of GB...It hasn't worked out too well for Walker so far...

The team has his rights and if he wants to play somewhere else next year then he needs to get over his pissyness with TT just because TT didn't listen to his advice on roster moves and tell him where he wants to play, what teams he would be willing to be traded to.

If he doesn't want to be traded then really his only good options are to come back to camp to make the best of the situation he in large part created OR stay retired.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 03:20:16 PM »

He's not demanding to be traded, if he had his choice he would want to start for the packers.. but being that TT is threatening to back up BRETT FAVRE, I'd want to get outa there too. And this is totally diferrent then javon's situation..

Javon was doin it for the money and brett is doin it just cause he wants to continue to play the game, not as a backup. Javon wasn't being threatened to be demoted to a backup or anything like that.

And brett favre isn't holding out? so I don't know why you brought that up
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 03:38:49 PM »

He's not demanding to be traded, if he had his choice he would want to start for the packers.. but being that TT is threatening to back up BRETT FAVRE, I'd want to get outa there too. And this is totally diferrent then javon's situation..

Javon was doin it for the money and brett is doin it just cause he wants to continue to play the game, not as a backup. Javon wasn't being threatened to be demoted to a backup or anything like that.

And brett favre isn't holding out? so I don't know why you brought that up

I was making a general point about how to handle disputes and squabbles with a team.  He was telling Javon to "Man up" and live up to the contract.  If he wants to play he needs to man up, show up and live up to his contract.  Not piss and moan and request an unconditional release publicly and have his mom and brother make him out to be the victim then come out and say he doesn't know where people are getting the idea that TT forced him out.

Its pretty simple, he signed a contract that pays him handsomely for his services, so if he wants to play he needs to show up and put in the time required so he's ready. 

Then the Packers will have to do one of 4 things.
1. Play him as the starter (which is all he says he wants)
2. Make him the Backup (within the Packers rights and I don't recall a clause in his contract that gives him the right to demand to be a starter)
3. Trade him
4. Release him

Those are the PACKERS options...Favre's only options are:
1. Show up and participate
2. Stay retired
3. Sit at home and piss and moan about everything which only makes him look worse and worse....

Hey, nobody's faultless here.  I am sure the Packers have contributed to the situation too, but Favre had the ultimate control this spring...all he had to do was either:
1. Tell the Packers he was coming back (knowing in his heart that he wasn't 100% but likely would be by fall and he could always retire if he was not)
2. Tell the Packers he wasn't ready to make a decision ("what are they going to do cut me?")
3. Tell the Packers he was retiring.

He CHOSE option 3, not once but twice.  The Packers rolled out the red carpet the first time he reversed field, now months later I find no fault in them telling him that the situation is different and they are not in a good position to just welcome him back with open arms as the starter. 

I just hope this gets worked out to a resolution quickly because right now its making the Packers look bad and its making Favre look very, very bad.

Up to this point even with the past years of waffling through FA and the Draft Favre for the most part has still been looked at as the ultimate competitor and a team player.  That veneer is fading fast and he is now publicly being called a selfish diva.
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 07:55:13 PM »

This isn't making Favre look bad at all. This is the dumbest conversation ever  this is Brett Favre asking to come back and play a game that he proved last year he was an MVP canidate and now this year they want to sit him down behind a QB that hasn't even been able to saty healthy. Come on man you ppl who think he should show up and sit behind an unproven QB are stupid, that's like the Bulls benching Jordan when he cam out of retirement. They saiid he was hurting his lagacy too, but what did he do he came out and lead them to thre more chapionships. I could see this being a big deal if Favre had sat out a year and wanted to come back then thats differnt, then he should sit behind AR.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 11:11:47 PM »

This isn't making Favre look bad at all. This is the dumbest conversation ever  this is Brett Favre asking to come back and play a game that he proved last year he was an MVP canidate and now this year they want to sit him down behind a QB that hasn't even been able to saty healthy. Come on man you ppl who think he should show up and sit behind an unproven QB are stupid, that's like the Bulls benching Jordan when he cam out of retirement. They saiid he was hurting his lagacy too, but what did he do he came out and lead them to thre more chapionships. I could see this being a big deal if Favre had sat out a year and wanted to come back then thats differnt, then he should sit behind AR.

If you don't think this is damaging Favre's reputation among fans then your living under a shell.  Just look around at all the articles...the negative towards Favre outnumber the negative towards TT and the Packers 3 or 4 to 1 if not more. I've NEVER seen this much negative press about Favre, not even when he went int crazy as we went 4-12.  Pretty much everyone I have talked to, coworkers, friends, relatives etc...all say Farve is ultimately responsible for the situation he finds himself in. The sad thing is Favre has done exactly this for the past 3-5 years but because he didn't give his decision up front he hasn't ever really gotten seriously negative press for it.  But this year his I'm retired, no I'm playing, no I'm retired, no I'm playing act combined with the Packers need to protect themselves against him not returning has now led to the situation in which we find ourselves.

If he comes back I don't think he's going to be sitting behind anyone.  I think if he comes back he'll likely be traded.  But if he is still on the Packers on opening day I would HIGHLY doubt he's going to be backing Rodgers up...likely the other way around.

This is the thing...it doesn't matter whether the packers tell him they have room for him or not.  They have him under contract, because of that HE has the right to request reinstatement, thus forcing the Packers hand. 

Anyone who really believes that TT is going to pay Farve 12 mill to ride the pine behind Rodgers is smoking something they shouldn't be. 

Like I said no one is faultless here but TT has to consider the team and the team concept not just who is the safest bet for the Packers this year.  His position is not enviable.  He has to evaluate what Farve's return would do to the lockerroom filled largely with younger players who have now rallied behind Rodgers.  That more than anything else is probably his main consideration and it can't be underrated. 

TT can't risk dividing his lockerroom, and if he has truly evaluated that Rodgers is a long term solution after Favre then he again is in a very delicate position because if Favre returns will that sour Rodgers to extending his deal? 

If TT deems that bringing back Farve to the lockeroom as the starter would cause significant long term problems for his team then he has to make an even tougher decision...to move Favre if Favre returns.  That appears to be the current assessment and offers a different set of issues. 

If it is deemed Farve's presence is going to cause negative long term effects and you have to then move him (pretty much where I think TT feels he has found himself) then you have 2 options. 

1. Release him
2. Trade him.

Whether your going to release him or trade him you run the risk that he could play very very well with his new team, or even simply play better than Rodgers, especially early on.  That could run you into a lot of negative PR and if bad enough ultimately could cost TT his job if its bad enough. 

The ultimate (but far less likely) risk is that Favre could achieve ultimate success on his new team.  That certainly would be a MASSIVE pr blackmark for TT and the Packers. 

Because of those risks TT will want to minimize the Packers exposure.  Step one to that is not releasing Favre, because if you release him you
A. don't get anything for a valuable asset
B. Give him the control to go where he can hurt you most.

So ultimately if TT deems that the potential long term damages of Farve's return outweigh the short term benefits (really only a SB berth/win would make it worth returning Favre and thats hardly guaranteed) then he really only has one option and that is to trade Favre.  I think its reasonable to expect that TT should try to find Favre a home on a team that he likes but their of course has to be interest from that team and ideally Farve has to want to play there.

In the perfect world Favre would have decided he wanted to play before the draft and stuck to his decision.  Unfortunately even though the Pack was willing at that time to welcome him back he changed his mind and the perfect solution was lost.  Now TT is left trying to make chicken salad out of chick s***. 

We'll see if he can be successful and if both parties can end up considering the solution acceptable.

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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 12:27:14 AM »

Add Farve's request for unconditional release, to the rumors of Cook feeling out teams for interest back when he retired, to the tampering charges filed by the Packers and suddenly Favre's request for "unconditional" release looks much more conniving. 

And it would also make all of the recent statements that if true mean that Favre was lying during his retirement PC and on other previous occasions and that Favre has used his family to release "bad press" against the Packers and TT and suddenly this whole thing looks very, very orchestrated...

Not saying it is, just saying it looks that way.  Either way I don't think the Packers file a tampering charge unless they have some pretty solid evidence.


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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 09:24:38 AM »

Meaning what that Favre said he was retired, nowing he wasn't really ready to retire? Just so he could force the Packers hand and make them either release him or trade him because he doesn't want to play for GB anymore? Is that what you meant..?
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 10:24:47 AM »

Meaning what that Favre said he was retired, nowing he wasn't really ready to retire? Just so he could force the Packers hand and make them either release him or trade him because he doesn't want to play for GB anymore? Is that what you meant..?

I have no inside information other than the stuff both Favre and the Packers have said.  I don't know, but I can see how someone could look at the events really since TT has been here, the rumblings every offseason from the Favre camp about personnel, the report by Jay Glazer that Favre asked to be Traded last year after we failed to get Moss, the rumblings from Cook after Farve retired that the Packers didn't want Farve back, the reports that Cook was quietly asking teams if they would be interested in Favre right after Farve retired, the rumblings from Bonita and Scott Favre that the Packers didn't really want Favre back and then Farve asking for his "unconditional release", and now the tampering charge against MN....

Like I said I don't know, and I don't think we ever really will know the whole story but I can see a pattern that a "conspiracy theorist" could look too and say that he planned to do this because he no longer wanted to play for TT.

Either way, I don't think this is going to end very pretty and unfortunately for all parties I think they all will be left with some egg on their faces.  Maybe something can still be worked out but I think the bridge is fully engulfed in flames right now and I don't see any fire engines coming to put it out any time soon.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2008, 01:31:36 AM »

but I can see a pattern that a "conspiracy theorist" could look too and say that he planned to do this because he no longer wanted to play for TT.

Dude. That's a stretch. He retired so that he could be released from the greatest job of his life so he didn't have to play for TThompson?

Next your gonna tell me JFK staged his own assassination.  vader1
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2008, 01:56:44 AM »

As much as I'd hate admitt it he does have a point.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2008, 07:54:33 AM »

Dude. That's a stretch. He retired so that he could be released from the greatest job of his life so he didn't have to play for TThompson?

Next your gonna tell me JFK staged his own assassination.  vader1

I didn't say I think thats how it happened...(might be, I don't know)...I just said I can see how someone could deduce that from the chain of events. 

I think its more likely that what happened is Favre happened to touch base with Bevel around the time (june) that the Packers told him they had moved on.  Bevel then got into a theoretical discussion of "well damn we could use you here"....
One thing then probably led to another and I would not be surprised if there were even #s discussed etc...The Vikes are not hurting for cap room either.

Stop and think about TT...what move has he ever made since he's been here that's been done without a lot of pre-thought and just "off the cuff".  He's not a huge risk taker.   No I think the Packers "have the goods" on MN and their going to nail their ass to the wall.  Notice also that there were no "denials" from the Vikes...just a "no comment". 

I have now read speculation that Favre was talking to Bevel on a Packers paid for cell phone and that the Packers have all the records for that cell phone because they pay for it.  If that is truly the case then they would also be able to get copies of any text messages that Favre sent as well because records of those are kept.  If Childress called Farve on that cell phone (this is being speculated) then the Vikes just bent themselves over royally. 

Like I said its all speculation now but the only way I can see that the Packers have good evidence is if it was their phone and they have copies of all the calls and when they were made.  Otherwise they would have no right or access to the records and would have nothing to go on except hear-say. 

I think this is just going to get uglier before its over and its pretty sad if its all true...sad for the Packers, sad for Favre...and sad.....wait...too F'n Funny for the Vikes...  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2008, 10:37:09 PM »

If it's true can they end the Vikes season before it begins? I would love if they got suspended for the whole season. Can they do that?
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