Comments on: McCarthy Said What?!? http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/ Thu, 23 May 2013 01:39:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: Jersey Al http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7922 Jersey Al Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:11:18 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7922 I just checked with a Packers beat reporter and he says that the coaches' contracts are guaranteed and there are no buyout clauses. Therefore, once this season is over, they will in fact owe McCarthy the full 12 million left on his contract. if he gets another job as a coordinator, for example at 1 million per, the Packers would just owe him the 2 milllion per difference. I just checked with a Packers beat reporter and he says that the coaches’ contracts are guaranteed and there are no buyout clauses. Therefore, once this season is over, they will in fact owe McCarthy the full 12 million left on his contract. if he gets another job as a coordinator, for example at 1 million per, the Packers would just owe him the 2 milllion per difference.

]]> By: Greg C. http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7921 Greg C. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:11:39 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7921 I've never paid much attention to what McCarthy says in press conferences. Like most NFL coaches, he goes into politician mode when he has a microphone in front of his mouth. By far the most important words he says are off-mic, in team meetings and practices. However, I agree that he is now at the point where he should be showing some sort of urgency. He is not talking like a guy who's job is on the line. We'll see how the team finishes. The odds are now against them getting into the playoffs, and if they don't make it, there will be justification to can McCarthy and perhaps Thompson as well. I used to think that their fates were joined, but I'm now starting to think that McCarthy could go while Thompson stays. Canning Thompson and keeping McCarthy would be the very worst thing to do. If we get a new GM, he needs to pick his own coach. When Thompson arrived, Harlan kept Mike Sherman in place as coach, and the result was a wasted season. I’ve never paid much attention to what McCarthy says in press conferences. Like most NFL coaches, he goes into politician mode when he has a microphone in front of his mouth. By far the most important words he says are off-mic, in team meetings and practices. However, I agree that he is now at the point where he should be showing some sort of urgency. He is not talking like a guy who’s job is on the line.

We’ll see how the team finishes. The odds are now against them getting into the playoffs, and if they don’t make it, there will be justification to can McCarthy and perhaps Thompson as well.

I used to think that their fates were joined, but I’m now starting to think that McCarthy could go while Thompson stays. Canning Thompson and keeping McCarthy would be the very worst thing to do. If we get a new GM, he needs to pick his own coach. When Thompson arrived, Harlan kept Mike Sherman in place as coach, and the result was a wasted season.

]]> By: RonLC http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7920 RonLC Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:10:48 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7920 If no one goes anywhere, we are entering the neo-seventies era. Anyone know where Infante, Devine, Rhodes, and Gregg are? If no one goes anywhere, we are entering the neo-seventies era. Anyone know where Infante, Devine, Rhodes, and Gregg are?

]]> By: Packers Daily Links 11.11.09 - Railbird Central http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7919 Packers Daily Links 11.11.09 - Railbird Central Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:39:43 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7919 [...] Jersey Al of Packers Lounge can't believes what he hears coming out of McCarthy's mouth. [...] [...] Jersey Al of Packers Lounge can't believes what he hears coming out of McCarthy's mouth. [...]

]]> By: Stan http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7918 Stan Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:16:59 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7918 Ted's in a good position right now, he can always use the old, "I give him the players, it's his job to do anything with them." Yes, Mike's headed under the bus for sure. Ted’s in a good position right now, he can always use the old, “I give him the players, it’s his job to do anything with them.” Yes, Mike’s headed under the bus for sure.

]]> By: FITZCORE1252 http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7917 FITZCORE1252 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:11:28 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7917 RonLC, I think you're fooling yourself, NOBODY's going anywhere. And the coach ALWAYS goes before the GM. Murphy said that no changes would be made midseason, and with the large $$$ # they would have to eat, I don't see any changes after the season. If things keep going on the current track I truly hope that I am wrong, and something is changed, just don't see it from a financial standpoint. GBP 4 LIFE RonLC,

I think you’re fooling yourself, NOBODY’s going anywhere. And the coach ALWAYS goes before the GM. Murphy said that no changes would be made midseason, and with the large $$$ # they would have to eat, I don’t see any changes after the season. If things keep going on the current track I truly hope that I am wrong, and something is changed, just don’t see it from a financial standpoint.

GBP 4 LIFE

]]> By: Jersey Al http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7916 Jersey Al Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:59:00 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7916 Well, if I would have to choose only one to go, it would be Mike. It would be easier to change how Ted does his job - Murphy could instruct him to use free agency for more than just filler material. But what can they tell Mike? He is a failure at leading these men. You can’t make him something he’s not. Well, if I would have to choose only one to go, it would be Mike. It would be easier to change how Ted does his job – Murphy could instruct him to use free agency for more than just filler material. But what can they tell Mike? He is a failure at leading these men. You can’t make him something he’s not.

]]> By: Asshalo http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7915 Asshalo Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:55:27 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7915 But will the potential destruction of the salary cap save thompson's job? IMO, he's efficient at keeping a low salary number, but not so effective at building a competitive team that he is irreplaceable. Either way, I think he has more leverage than McCarthy. I'm a little worried Thompson needs sort of a push-over as head coach. In which case, nothing would really be solved if Thompson picked the new head coach But will the potential destruction of the salary cap save thompson’s job? IMO, he’s efficient at keeping a low salary number, but not so effective at building a competitive team that he is irreplaceable. Either way, I think he has more leverage than McCarthy.

I’m a little worried Thompson needs sort of a push-over as head coach. In which case, nothing would really be solved if Thompson picked the new head coach

]]> By: Asshalo http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7914 Asshalo Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:50:22 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7914 I would too, but is the entire sum of the contract guaranteed? If they're structured anything like player's contracts, part is going to be guaranteed while another part is contingent. In which case, can't you argue past payments for the contigent amount of the salary can add up towards the cumulative total of a guaranteed amount. Appologies for nerding out here, but consider an example: McCarthy's contract is 4 mil the next three years-- 50% of which is guaranteed, meaning McCarthy is guaranteed 10 million of a 20 million dollar contract. Say to date he'll have been paid $12 million by the end of this year. Green Bay owes him nothing? 2 mill per year for the next 3 years? All contracts vary. I just find it hard to believe the entire amount is guaranteed in such a performance-driven profession. Damnit, the Lounge needs to hire an accountant, a lawyer, or Carriveau. I would too, but is the entire sum of the contract guaranteed? If they’re structured anything like player’s contracts, part is going to be guaranteed while another part is contingent. In which case, can’t you argue past payments for the contigent amount of the salary can add up towards the cumulative total of a guaranteed amount. Appologies for nerding out here, but consider an example:

McCarthy’s contract is 4 mil the next three years– 50% of which is guaranteed, meaning McCarthy is guaranteed 10 million of a 20 million dollar contract. Say to date he’ll have been paid $12 million by the end of this year. Green Bay owes him nothing? 2 mill per year for the next 3 years?

All contracts vary. I just find it hard to believe the entire amount is guaranteed in such a performance-driven profession. Damnit, the Lounge needs to hire an accountant, a lawyer, or Carriveau.

]]> By: RonLC http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7913 RonLC Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:40:03 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7913 With both the GM and Coach requiring replacement and both having 3 1/2 years remaining on those contracts the BOD will only go for one firing. The dilema is who goes? _____ I vote for TT for this reason, he has been rebuilding this team for 5 1/2 years. Just what has he accomplished? Not anywhere near enough to keep this team afloat by using only the draft to build, with few expections. His first year draftees have reached the bottom of the funel and how many are good enough to try and keep? Rodgers for sure, Collins ok, and ........ errrr? It is likely he wouldn't do anything to keep Pickett and the rest, are they worth keeping? _____ This off-season needs someone in charge of drafting and FA acquisition that knows what he is doing. Like it or not, this team is now officially in rebuild mode with a whole lot of holes to fill. And as far as I'm concerned, I want a competent GM making those decisions. TT aint't it. Maybe the new GM can kick MM's ass and get him to admitt his failings. If not, fire him next year. With both the GM and Coach requiring replacement and both having 3 1/2 years remaining on those contracts the BOD will only go for one firing. The dilema is who goes?
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I vote for TT for this reason, he has been rebuilding this team for 5 1/2 years. Just what has he accomplished? Not anywhere near enough to keep this team afloat by using only the draft to build, with few expections. His first year draftees have reached the bottom of the funel and how many are good enough to try and keep? Rodgers for sure, Collins ok, and …….. errrr? It is likely he wouldn’t do anything to keep Pickett and the rest, are they worth keeping?
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This off-season needs someone in charge of drafting and FA acquisition that knows what he is doing. Like it or not, this team is now officially in rebuild mode with a whole lot of holes to fill. And as far as I’m concerned, I want a competent GM making those decisions. TT aint’t it. Maybe the new GM can kick MM’s ass and get him to admitt his failings. If not, fire him next year.

]]> By: Jersey Al http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7912 Jersey Al Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:12:22 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7912 I assumed coaches salaries are guaranteed. I assumed coaches salaries are guaranteed.

]]> By: Asshalo http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7911 Asshalo Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:52:21 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7911 If he is not fired it's going to get ugly in packer nation. He may have three years on his contract, but how much of that amount is guaranteed? If we're going to sell out for a bad coach, I would love to see some sort of boycott started. If he is not fired it’s going to get ugly in packer nation. He may have three years on his contract, but how much of that amount is guaranteed?

If we’re going to sell out for a bad coach, I would love to see some sort of boycott started.

]]> By: PackersRS http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7910 PackersRS Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:00:51 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7910 I'm too riled up, I know, but I got tired of seeing the same problems over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again (8 games, I'm not counting last season. I SHOULD). And then he comes up and says that he would do them AGAIN???? God I need to start taking a hearth medicine. Or laying off the acid and the candy cane ;) I’m too riled up, I know, but I got tired of seeing the same problems over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again (8 games, I’m not counting last season. I SHOULD). And then he comes up and says that he would do them AGAIN????

God I need to start taking a hearth medicine. Or laying off the acid and the candy cane ;)

]]> By: Stan http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7909 Stan Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:52:37 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7909 There goes my blood pressure again.... There goes my blood pressure again….

]]> By: PackersRS http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/mccarthy-said-what/#comment-7908 PackersRS Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:33:17 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=8040#comment-7908 HE'S A DUMB SHIT! HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE HAS A SUPERPOTENT PASSING ATTACK, AND THAT WHENEVER HE FEELS LIKE IT, HE CAN KEEP THROWING LONG BOMBS! He lost it. Fire his fat ass now, and save the little dignity you still have, Murphy! HE’S A DUMB SHIT! HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE HAS A SUPERPOTENT PASSING ATTACK, AND THAT WHENEVER HE FEELS LIKE IT, HE CAN KEEP THROWING LONG BOMBS!

He lost it. Fire his fat ass now, and save the little dignity you still have, Murphy!

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