Comments on: Leave Joe Out Of It http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/ Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:35:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: elmo http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4271 elmo Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:41:04 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4271 Yeah....right. I guess it's ok to rip Sherman over Joe Johnson, but not Thompson over Murphy.... You guys are a bunch of nuttlicking, Ted Thompson man-crush HYPOCRITES...!!! See you at the bottom of the NFC North this year...Packers! Welcome back to the 1970's.....Ted Thompson Style! Yeah….right. I guess it’s ok to rip Sherman over Joe Johnson, but not Thompson over Murphy….

You guys are a bunch of nuttlicking, Ted Thompson man-crush HYPOCRITES…!!!

See you at the bottom of the NFC North this year…Packers!

Welcome back to the 1970′s…..Ted Thompson Style!

]]> By: Alex http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4270 Alex Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:39:42 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4270 Not somebody a couple of people. They will take you back, they are wholesome. Not somebody a couple of people. They will take you back, they are wholesome.

]]> By: Graham http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4269 Graham Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:56 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4269 Wow somebody is really defending Joe Johnson and Mikey S?? I'll go back to cheesehead TV's website now thanks!! Wow somebody is really defending Joe Johnson and Mikey S?? I’ll go back to cheesehead TV’s website now thanks!!

]]> By: Aaron http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4268 Aaron Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:54:02 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4268 The problem isn't that he signed Johnson, it's the contract he gave him. Completely irresponsible and it was an albatross around the neck of the franchise for years. It's relavant because it is exactly the kind of contract Thompson would ever sign off on (thank God) The problem isn’t that he signed Johnson, it’s the contract he gave him. Completely irresponsible and it was an albatross around the neck of the franchise for years. It’s relavant because it is exactly the kind of contract Thompson would ever sign off on (thank God)

]]> By: Tyler Bohms http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4267 Tyler Bohms Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:21:40 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4267 I truly think that Ted is too confident in himself to ever look over his shoulder. I simply think he has a plan and he's sticking to it.....he ousted Favre....I don't think this guy is too worried about public opinion. I truly think that Ted is too confident in himself to ever look over his shoulder. I simply think he has a plan and he’s sticking to it…..he ousted Favre….I don’t think this guy is too worried about public opinion.

]]> By: Alex http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4266 Alex Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:20:47 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4266 I really didn't want to take this back to last year, or the year before, or yeah. Never. We have plenty of room for anyone who deserves a payday. I am looking at four years of Ted and three years of Sherman. I find it hard to fathom that there wasn't a free-agent worth the money in that span. My argument is simple. Since Joe, everyone has been looking over their shoulder. It's really not necessary. I really didn’t want to take this back to last year, or the year before, or yeah. Never. We have plenty of room for anyone who deserves a payday.

I am looking at four years of Ted and three years of Sherman. I find it hard to fathom that there wasn’t a free-agent worth the money in that span.

My argument is simple. Since Joe, everyone has been looking over their shoulder. It’s really not necessary.

]]> By: Alex http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4265 Alex Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:12:12 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4265 Okay, so maybe I am not saying it invalidates the argument, but rather weakens it slightly. Bad luck is just bad luck. I don't think that makes it disastrous. On the flip side, even though I despise the fact that Justin Harrell has started less games than Joe Johnson, I don't blame Ted for the pick. It was a bold bold move and it didn't pan out. I just don't think bad luck has any place in the argument. It's what you did with the end result that should be the determining factor. In Sherman's case, the result wasn't stunning. For Ted, I agree with you, accountability often hits you before you see it coming. Okay, so maybe I am not saying it invalidates the argument, but rather weakens it slightly. Bad luck is just bad luck. I don’t think that makes it disastrous.

On the flip side, even though I despise the fact that Justin Harrell has started less games than Joe Johnson, I don’t blame Ted for the pick. It was a bold bold move and it didn’t pan out. I just don’t think bad luck has any place in the argument. It’s what you did with the end result that should be the determining factor.

In Sherman’s case, the result wasn’t stunning. For Ted, I agree with you, accountability often hits you before you see it coming.

]]> By: Tyler Bohms http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4264 Tyler Bohms Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:10:54 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4264 What is the bottom line here? Ted, and everyone else, is afraid of the ghost of Joe. I don't agree with this at all. I just don't think Thompson felt there was a player out there worthy of spending big money on. If he felt he could get somebody who was going to make a big impact, I feel like he would have done it. Don't overlook the fact that we have players on the roster that need contract extensions, gotta think about having room for them as well. What is the bottom line here? Ted, and everyone else, is afraid of the ghost of Joe.

I don’t agree with this at all. I just don’t think Thompson felt there was a player out there worthy of spending big money on. If he felt he could get somebody who was going to make a big impact, I feel like he would have done it.

Don’t overlook the fact that we have players on the roster that need contract extensions, gotta think about having room for them as well.

]]> By: Greg C. http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4263 Greg C. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:46:23 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4263 Sherman was not that bad a GM, and he was not that good a GM, either. He was average. His record was actually well above average, but he inherited a pretty good roster, failed to advance beyond the second round of the playoffs, and toward the end of his tenure he was reaching a point of diminishing returns. I agree that the Joe Johnson thing was mostly just bad luck, but I don't think mentioning him invalidates anyone's anti-Sherman argument. There were plenty of other questionable decisions. Plus, there is always the "buck stops here" factor. If someone is in charge of an organization for long enough, they are going to be held accountable for everything that happens under their watch. It's not entirely fair, but the thinking is that in the end, you make your own luck. Thompson will meet the same fate if he doesn't produce some big-time results in the next year or two. Sherman was not that bad a GM, and he was not that good a GM, either. He was average. His record was actually well above average, but he inherited a pretty good roster, failed to advance beyond the second round of the playoffs, and toward the end of his tenure he was reaching a point of diminishing returns.

I agree that the Joe Johnson thing was mostly just bad luck, but I don’t think mentioning him invalidates anyone’s anti-Sherman argument. There were plenty of other questionable decisions. Plus, there is always the “buck stops here” factor. If someone is in charge of an organization for long enough, they are going to be held accountable for everything that happens under their watch. It’s not entirely fair, but the thinking is that in the end, you make your own luck. Thompson will meet the same fate if he doesn’t produce some big-time results in the next year or two.

]]> By: Alex http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4262 Alex Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:45:24 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4262 That's not my argument at all. Woodson was a deal, and in retrospect it was a good risk. Joe Johnson was not nearly the risk. He was a proven player, coming off two pro-bowls in three years. He also was coming of a comeback player of the year award. That’s not my argument at all. Woodson was a deal, and in retrospect it was a good risk.

Joe Johnson was not nearly the risk. He was a proven player, coming off two pro-bowls in three years. He also was coming of a comeback player of the year award.

]]> By: Aaron http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4261 Aaron Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:27:04 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4261 (sigh) As if I didn't have enough to do this weekend.... (sigh) As if I didn’t have enough to do this weekend….

]]> By: Erik http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4260 Erik Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:38:39 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4260 How can you not mention Woodson in this talk though? Especially in the context of injury ending Johnson's productivity? Woodson was a well known injury risk (some say he faked it, doesn't matter), this is exactly the type of situation that you're talking about. You accuse Thompson of being afraid to pull the trigger because of Johnson's ghost and then say that the counter argument is invalid just cause? No way, Woodson showed that when Thompson can get the deal he wants with a good guy, he'll completely overlook the "ghost of Johnson" and go for it; not worried about bringing a high quality, but injury risk, player into the fold. How can you not mention Woodson in this talk though? Especially in the context of injury ending Johnson’s productivity? Woodson was a well known injury risk (some say he faked it, doesn’t matter), this is exactly the type of situation that you’re talking about. You accuse Thompson of being afraid to pull the trigger because of Johnson’s ghost and then say that the counter argument is invalid just cause? No way, Woodson showed that when Thompson can get the deal he wants with a good guy, he’ll completely overlook the “ghost of Johnson” and go for it; not worried about bringing a high quality, but injury risk, player into the fold.

]]> By: IronMan http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/leave-joe-out-of-it/#comment-4259 IronMan Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:51:51 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=4481#comment-4259 Well said! The Sherman excuse is getting really old. Well said! The Sherman excuse is getting really old.

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