I think Ted and Mike could go as low as 8-8 this season and keep their jobs. Because we're changing to a 3-4 then player adjustments can be used as an excuse for failure. However fans are expecting a playoff spot after so many coaching changes and they would have to do an awful lot of explaining to keep their jobs if we end up less than 8-8.

Personally I think we'll win the division back this season as there's one thing you learn with a 6-10 season . . . . . . . losing sucks!

I really think TT and MC are pretty well tied together - and this is their final shot. There were very high (maybe too high?) expectations last year after the 13 - 3 year, but that 13 - 3 year is really all they have to show for their time here. I think this 3 - 4 switch is a last ditch effort to try and salvage something, and they won't be given the "benefit of the doubt" when it comes to that switch. I think "playoffs or bust" is going to be the mantra this year (isn't it every year?) In the North, I can't imagine than 9 - 7 wouldn't win you the division, but you never know I suppose. Regardless, if they have any lower than 9 wins, I think the chances are almost 100% that we will be saying goodbye to TT and MC at the end of the year. I am wishing them the best of luck!

My opinion hasn't changed on this topic yet.. I think this is the make or break year for both.

They need to show improvement in developing these young core players, something that is lacking severely to date. Now that sounds like a coaching problem doesn't it; or is it a limitation issue of the players themselves.

We have 3 to 5 offensive lineman drafted and coached up by this regime, none of them are growing by leaps and bounds.. three years of Spitz and Colledge have seen limited results. Moll looks like a wash.. Barbre can't seem to take advantage of playing behind a misplaced player in Colledge. whom is clearly a tackle.

We have a linebacking group that flashes at times, but has been disappointing at best. We have Jolly, Montgomery, Harrell and Hunter that have not grown.. pretty much remained what we got when we drafted them.

So either the coaching is subpar or the players didn't have the potential once thought.. it is splitting hairs. Personally this team needs to take the step forward, learn how to close out games and become much "nastier" in the trenches.. we are missing an attitude on this team.. and if I am disappointed in this offseason, it is that we haven't acquired someone to help Greene, Capers, and Campen to extend that attitude upon the field.

If I watch Hawk sit in the hole and wait again this year.. I think I might completely lose it and never forgive the buckeye.. pansy ass linebacker U.

I dont think its as easy as most fans like to think as if theres a number associated with their job. 6-10 you're fired, 10-6 you stay. I think there are a ton of situations involved in a season and say we lose several starters early and the team still plays well in loses... much like last year, I don't think they would or should be fired. If the team loses several games because its unorganized and poorly coached then yes... fire away. I really don't think it should or does revolve around a magical number.

Not to mention firing someone is easy, hiring a competent replacement isn't. If you're so gung ho about firing TT and MM, you better have someone that can do better, and I personally don't think there are many options out there that are better.

I'm leaning towards playoff or bust.

LEANING.

I think Donald's Designated Driver has it exactly right, and I'm impressed that he even broke it down into percentages to reflect that nothing is set in stone.

As for "playoffs or bust," what if they go 11-5 and miss the playoffs, like the Patriots did this year, or even 10-6 and miss the playoffs? If something like that happens, Thompson and McCarthy won't get fired.

11-5 and miss the playoffs? In the NFC? Not likely.

I say I'm leaning towards playoffs or bust because there are other things out there. I highly doubt we have as many crippling injuries in 2009 but you have to keep stuff like that in mind. If Aaron Rodgers goes down in week 2 for the season and we end up going 6-10...do we fire our coach and GM?

The Packers are about winning. When's the last time we've had a GM and/or coach with a losing record, that lasted 5 years? Let's not go back to the mediocrity and contentment of the '80's. 10 wins or clean house!

Helpful facts. Lucky me I stumbled upon your web site by mistake, using this program . amazed the reason why this coincidence couldn't came about prior! We book marked them.