Comments on: Future at Cornerback http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/ Sat, 18 May 2013 19:56:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: Greg C. http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5476 Greg C. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:33:26 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5476 The one-year deal is a win-win situation. The Packers get another year to see what Tramon can do, and Tramon gets another year to try and elevate his game and get a really big contract. The good thing for the Packers is that Tramon is a restricted free agent at the end of the year, so they will be able to match any offer he gets from another team, plus that other team will owe them some compensation if they do succeed in prying Tramon away. For the most part, the only unrestricted free agents who go to other teams are the ones who aren't good players. The one-year deal is a win-win situation. The Packers get another year to see what Tramon can do, and Tramon gets another year to try and elevate his game and get a really big contract. The good thing for the Packers is that Tramon is a restricted free agent at the end of the year, so they will be able to match any offer he gets from another team, plus that other team will owe them some compensation if they do succeed in prying Tramon away. For the most part, the only unrestricted free agents who go to other teams are the ones who aren’t good players.

]]> By: PackersRS http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5475 PackersRS Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:08:00 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5475 I agree with your other take, that it's better to overpay a sure player than to "bargain" a bust. Not for the scheme reason, though. I tend to credit a player's failure at adapting to a scheme more on the coach than on the player. I agree with your other take, that it’s better to overpay a sure player than to “bargain” a bust. Not for the scheme reason, though. I tend to credit a player’s failure at adapting to a scheme more on the coach than on the player.

]]> By: Franklin Hillside http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5474 Franklin Hillside Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:57:46 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5474 Thanks, Graham. We appreciate it. Not really sure why you can't post comments, I just did a couple tests and they worked. Sorry, man. Thanks, Graham. We appreciate it.

Not really sure why you can’t post comments, I just did a couple tests and they worked. Sorry, man.

]]> By: Graham http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5473 Graham Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:09:32 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5473 Quote: <blockquote cite="comment-3900"> <strong><a href="#comment-3900" rel="nofollow">Franklin Hillside</a></strong>: Agreed. if you’re in a rush to pay TW at least wait until midseason, why pay him during the summer? </blockquote> BTW I love your blog its awesome. Except for some reason I cannot post comments on it. Dont really know why. Quote:

Franklin Hillside: Agreed. if you’re in a rush to pay TW at least wait until midseason, why pay him during the summer?

BTW I love your blog its awesome. Except for some reason I cannot post comments on it. Dont really know why.

]]> By: Aaron http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5472 Aaron Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:58:57 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5472 Agreed to some extent. On the other hand, I'm not advocating contract extensions for anybody. Agreed to some extent. On the other hand, I’m not advocating contract extensions for anybody.

]]> By: PackersRS http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5471 PackersRS Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:52:53 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5471 But Aaron, EVERYBODY on our team looked lost playing zone. Except for Woodson, but he's Woodson. They put the blame on bad communication. And it very much can be it, given that, well, the DC was Sanders, and they played almost only bump and run. But Aaron, EVERYBODY on our team looked lost playing zone. Except for Woodson, but he’s Woodson. They put the blame on bad communication. And it very much can be it, given that, well, the DC was Sanders, and they played almost only bump and run.

]]> By: Aaron http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5470 Aaron Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:40:35 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5470 Dale - you are leaving out a major component - the new scheme. Yes, he made some great plays - in press man to man coverage. When he played off, he looked lost. Well, he'll be asked to play off with his eyes in the backfield much more than last year - why pay him until you can see what he can do in the scheme? Will you end up paying a little more? Probably. But not nearly what you would end up paying if he hit the open market, which he won't be able to do unless the Packers want him to. That's called good roster management. Dale – you are leaving out a major component – the new scheme. Yes, he made some great plays – in press man to man coverage. When he played off, he looked lost. Well, he’ll be asked to play off with his eyes in the backfield much more than last year – why pay him until you can see what he can do in the scheme? Will you end up paying a little more? Probably. But not nearly what you would end up paying if he hit the open market, which he won’t be able to do unless the Packers want him to. That’s called good roster management.

]]> By: Franklin Hillside http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5469 Franklin Hillside Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:28 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5469 Agreed. if you're in a rush to pay TW at least wait until midseason, why pay him during the summer? Agreed.

if you’re in a rush to pay TW at least wait until midseason, why pay him during the summer?

]]> By: Graham http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5468 Graham Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:55:54 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5468 He was inconsistent because one play he would be picking off the pass and returning it for a TD and the next he would get beat deep multiple times. He is a good young player for sure. I liek him as our 3rd CB and a fill in starter. One year deal this year in a new defense (granted should not be THAT different) but still keep him honest. I'm fine with locking him up midseason style a vintage TT move. I thought that move would be reserved for Collins but long term Collins seems to be talking himself out of Green Bay but who knows. In case you want to yell about GJ I think he will be signed BEFORE the season. He was inconsistent because one play he would be picking off the pass and returning it for a TD and the next he would get beat deep multiple times. He is a good young player for sure. I liek him as our 3rd CB and a fill in starter. One year deal this year in a new defense (granted should not be THAT different) but still keep him honest.

I’m fine with locking him up midseason style a vintage TT move. I thought that move would be reserved for Collins but long term Collins seems to be talking himself out of Green Bay but who knows. In case you want to yell about GJ I think he will be signed BEFORE the season.

]]> By: Pack93z http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5467 Pack93z Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:54:38 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5467 How does Grant fall into the category? He attended the voluntary camps last year, he just didn't get insurance like Tramon did so he could take part. Yes he held out in TC.. but unlike this year the Packers dealt with the issue in advance.. Grant played through an injury last season.. even if he didn't run exceptional, he ran hard. He didn't sit out because he pulled a hammy... he didn't complain.. he played. So this year, Tramon goes public that he isn't going to sign the one year tender (just like Grant), shows up for voluntary camps (just like Grant) and more than likely would have been sitting on the sidelines because he couldn't play without signing the tender.. just like Grant. The difference this season.. is the Packers took care of it early and it didn't make it to TC.. neither player signed their one year tender that would have eliminated all leverage. So Grant is scum because he got a deal that is incentive based and Tramon isn't because he didn't get a long term deal but you are saying he should have.. IMO, sounds like you are playing both sides of the field.. at the end of the day.. if Tramon plays to expectations or exceeds them.. he will get his long term deal and hopefully be happy. How does Grant fall into the category?

He attended the voluntary camps last year, he just didn’t get insurance like Tramon did so he could take part. Yes he held out in TC.. but unlike this year the Packers dealt with the issue in advance..

Grant played through an injury last season.. even if he didn’t run exceptional, he ran hard. He didn’t sit out because he pulled a hammy… he didn’t complain.. he played.

So this year, Tramon goes public that he isn’t going to sign the one year tender (just like Grant), shows up for voluntary camps (just like Grant) and more than likely would have been sitting on the sidelines because he couldn’t play without signing the tender.. just like Grant. The difference this season.. is the Packers took care of it early and it didn’t make it to TC.. neither player signed their one year tender that would have eliminated all leverage.

So Grant is scum because he got a deal that is incentive based and Tramon isn’t because he didn’t get a long term deal but you are saying he should have..

IMO, sounds like you are playing both sides of the field.. at the end of the day.. if Tramon plays to expectations or exceeds them.. he will get his long term deal and hopefully be happy.

]]> By: Dale Z http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5466 Dale Z Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:35:24 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5466 Not all players are douchebags like Ryan Grant though. Not all players are douchebags like Ryan Grant though.

]]> By: Pack93z http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5465 Pack93z Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:33:14 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5465 "Because I think he deserves it. Because I think the Packers SHOULD sign him longterm NOW before they DO realize “wow, he’s pretty damn good. Too bad the secret is out and now we gotta pay him more than we would have before.”" So you don't think that if we signed him to a bargain contract now.. because he own all the leverage, that he wouldn't come back in two years saying how underpaid he is.. then have the fan base turn on him because he is asking for more money. I think at the end of the day, Tramon proves his value this season, we hammer out a deal someplace in the season for a fair market price and the Packers don't put themselves at risk for overpaying a guy a year early. Isn't this the same scenario that the Packers were in last season, signed Grant to a very incentive ladened contract with him and people aren't happy because we inked him off of 1 year of starting play? Can't have it both ways.. “Because I think he deserves it. Because I think the Packers SHOULD sign him longterm NOW before they DO realize “wow, he’s pretty damn good. Too bad the secret is out and now we gotta pay him more than we would have before.””

So you don’t think that if we signed him to a bargain contract now.. because he own all the leverage, that he wouldn’t come back in two years saying how underpaid he is.. then have the fan base turn on him because he is asking for more money.

I think at the end of the day, Tramon proves his value this season, we hammer out a deal someplace in the season for a fair market price and the Packers don’t put themselves at risk for overpaying a guy a year early.

Isn’t this the same scenario that the Packers were in last season, signed Grant to a very incentive ladened contract with him and people aren’t happy because we inked him off of 1 year of starting play?

Can’t have it both ways..

]]> By: PackersRS http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5464 PackersRS Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:26:42 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5464 But the thing is coaches and TT are seeing him EVERY day, not just on gameday. So maybe they saw inconsistency on practice. Maybe they have doubts on him. Doubts that they don't have on Rodgers. - Also, Rodgers was TT's 1st round pick. Not that it has anything to do with that, but it does. But the thing is coaches and TT are seeing him EVERY day, not just on gameday. So maybe they saw inconsistency on practice. Maybe they have doubts on him. Doubts that they don’t have on Rodgers.
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Also, Rodgers was TT’s 1st round pick. Not that it has anything to do with that, but it does.

]]> By: Dale Z http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5463 Dale Z Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:14:44 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5463 Because I think he deserves it. Because I think the Packers SHOULD sign him longterm NOW before they DO realize "wow, he's pretty damn good. Too bad the secret is out and now we gotta pay him more than we would have before." I think of A-Rod's new contract the other year. He hadn't done jack, the little time he did play was INCONSISTENT, but we knew. Oh we knew, and we got a nice cheap deal keeping Rodgers around a while. had we waited till AFTER this season where he outperformed the previous QB and loads of other starting QBs, we would have paid a lot more. Do it now, save money. Tramon, who made good or great plays more often than not, and stepped into a starter's role with ease, is only going to get better. We'll probably re-sign him next year(I hope) but we'll pay for it. Because I think he deserves it. Because I think the Packers SHOULD sign him longterm NOW before they DO realize “wow, he’s pretty damn good. Too bad the secret is out and now we gotta pay him more than we would have before.”

I think of A-Rod’s new contract the other year. He hadn’t done jack, the little time he did play was INCONSISTENT, but we knew. Oh we knew, and we got a nice cheap deal keeping Rodgers around a while. had we waited till AFTER this season where he outperformed the previous QB and loads of other starting QBs, we would have paid a lot more.

Do it now, save money. Tramon, who made good or great plays more often than not, and stepped into a starter’s role with ease, is only going to get better. We’ll probably re-sign him next year(I hope) but we’ll pay for it.

]]> By: Aaron http://cheeseheadtv.com/eat_more_cheese/future-at-cornerback/#comment-5462 Aaron Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:08:58 +0000 http://packerslounge.com/?p=5740#comment-5462 No, he has to be labeled inconsistent....because he was inconsistent. As for every player being inconsistent - lots are, yes. That's why the majority of players don't have long term big money deals. The more consistent players get paid. Even Peyton Manning makes bad throws - but he CONSISTENTLY plays at a high level, as do Woodson and Harris. Williams responded well last year (btw - I am a big time Williams fan: http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/roll-on-tramon-williams) Why are you in such a rush to have him handed a multi-year deal? No, he has to be labeled inconsistent….because he was inconsistent. As for every player being inconsistent – lots are, yes. That’s why the majority of players don’t have long term big money deals. The more consistent players get paid. Even Peyton Manning makes bad throws – but he CONSISTENTLY plays at a high level, as do Woodson and Harris. Williams responded well last year (btw – I am a big time Williams fan: http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/r.....n-williams)

Why are you in such a rush to have him handed a multi-year deal?

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