Packers' Faulty Defensive Line May Provide Reason for Concern

A defensive line whose strength once hinged on the performances of Ryan Pickett and B.J. Raji—both out of the league in 2017—has been in a state of flux over the last couple of seasons with no signs of stagnancy in sight.

The Packers enter 2017 with a defensive front that has no issue getting to the quarterback. They were ranked 11th a season ago in sack percentage with a sack on 5.99 percent of their snaps, finishing sixth in the league in sack totals. It's a few notches down from their 7.54 percentage in 2015. The only problem is consistently doing so.

They had no problem recording at least one sack in the 18 consecutive games leading up to the NFC Championship. Where it mattered most, the Packers failed to muster any defensive firepower to halt the Falcons' soaring offense. They crumbled in the biggest moment of the season.

The tune won't remain the same for Mike Trgovac's group in 2017. The Packers' defensive line coach whose tenure began in 2009 has a couple of new additions to his group whom he plans on utilizing to their fullest potential.

Former Redskins defensive tackle Ricky Jean Francois was signed to the Packers early on in the offseason, and while he tallied a less-than-optimal 32 tackles in his 16 games played last season, he immediately bolsters an already thin depth chart.

He had just 1.5 sacks with Washington in 2016, but Jean Francois showed little difficulty in clogging up running lanes and getting in the face of the opposing quarterback.

In this league, for your cornerbacks to play well, it's not about finding that lockdown Charles Woodson or Darelle Revis. It's about getting a commendable pass rush and forcing the ball out sooner rather than later, thus limiting the time the corners need to cover their assignment. A fluid pass rush can make even the most mediocre of cornerbacks look like Pro Bowl talents; a foreign concept for the Packers last year.

To further back this concept up, the Packers also drafted some more defensive line reassurance with their third round (93rd overall) selection.

Montravius Adams, a former First-team All-SEC defensive tackle, comes to Green Bay to amp up Tgorvac's group. He's expected to help fill the hole that Raji left with his sudden retirement after the 2015 season, and with his 6'4", 304-pound frame, that shouldn't be too tall of a task. He currently remains as the only unsigned draft pick from the Packers' 10-man class.

The Packers needed all of the help they can get on the defensive line. Letroy Guion will miss the first four games of the season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy. Outside of Guion who had been entering his 10th season in the league at age 30, the Packers are relatively young in that respect.

They're hoping for a modest jump from Kenny Clark, now entering his second season after flashing against the run during his rookie year. The same can be said for Dean Lowry, who, albeit on the field for just 158 defensive snaps last season, gave reasonable cause to look forward to his development.

The upside with this group? Mike Daniels is still a thing for opponents to worry about.

As evidenced by Zach Kruse of Packers Wire, Daniels obliterated those who stood in his path on a weekly basis. Something that's becoming a common occurrence from the defense's "bad guy." He's the glue that holds this group together even with its lack of cohesion. Without him, the Packers' defensive front would be even more of a question than it already is. Those questions are expected to be answered in 2017.

The Packers could use another stellar season from Daniels, even if it means getting him on the field for third downs far more often than they did in 2016. Something that Daniels himself and many others have openly advocated for over the offseason. With the exception of Daniels, the reality is, the defensive line is one of Green Bay's top concerns.

Even despite how they started last season as one of the top teams in terms of run defense, they finished 10th by January. They managed still to hold their opponents' ground game to an average of 96.0 rushing yards per game, hovering under 100. They're one of 13 teams last season to do so.

But run defense isn't the problem. It's applying pressure and giving your defensive backs an opportunity to play well. Something the Packers could've used last season when they finished with their worst pass defense ranking since 2011.

The depth of this group consists of Izaah Lunsford, Brian Price, Christian Ringo and Lowry. Young and inexperienced is the theme, but a helping hand from both Ringo and Lowry in their third and second years respectively would be ideal to help stabilize a porous defensive line.

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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gr7070's picture

June 20, 2017 at 01:25 pm

As usual, i disagree with a Cheesehead TV writer. Ignoring Aaron Rodgers, I think the DL is our 2nd best position group, with the OL being the obvious #1 position group.

Yes, ahead of WR.

Lowry is going to look quite good this year. Daniels is overrated, but very good himself. Clark may play quite well, too. Guion is solid and might not be good enough (or reliable enough) to be on this team. RJF sounds solid. I'm not real high on M. Adams, but hope I'm wrong. And I even like Ringo a little bit.

This line should pressure the QB and I don't really care much about run defense, which they should be at least solid if not good.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 20, 2017 at 06:03 pm

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing.

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Mark Quarderer's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:07 am

I also think the defensive line could/should be pretty good this...if people stay healthy.

We usually have 5 active: That'll be Daniels, a Pro-Bowler; Clark, a 1st round pick last year; Francois, a solid veteran in this league; Lowry, a second year player like Clark; and Monsteravious Adams .

That's a pretty solid group right there. I think we'll do all right on the DL as long as Clark and Lowry have improved since last year, and second year guys usually do.

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gr7070's picture

June 20, 2017 at 01:29 pm

And Ringo was drafted two years ago, not last year. Not that it matters much.

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fthisJack's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:04 am

thats what the writer said....Ringo in his third year.

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gr7070's picture

June 20, 2017 at 05:27 pm

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tm_inter's picture

June 20, 2017 at 01:30 pm

Does Montravius Adams have justifiable reason for not signing with the Packers thus far? Or is he simply too greedy and holding the Packers to ransom?

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Bert's picture

June 20, 2017 at 07:15 pm

I'm guessing Adams and/or his agent have a rather inflated opinion of his actual worth.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 20, 2017 at 07:17 pm

It took about this long into June for the Packers to sign Kenny Clark last year. Let's not jump to any conclusions.

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fthisJack's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:09 am

but Clark was the #1 pick. Adams is third round....what is the big bone of contention with his agent? sign the damn contract and prove that you are a legitimate NFL player and make hay on the next contract.

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Oppy's picture

June 22, 2017 at 05:36 pm

The kid could blow out his knee in training camp and never play again.

Let his agent do his thing. It's his livelihood.

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Pikeman's picture

June 24, 2017 at 10:33 am

Yeah well shit happens. There's no guarantee in life. Let's get on with it.

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Mark Quarderer's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:10 am

Yes, absolutely.

His career could end in training camp with an injury. Why shouldn't he take the necessary amount of time to get the best deal possible? What critical activity is he missing right now because he hasn't signed?

He will sign. He'll be here at the start of training camp. And I don't blame him a bit for trying to get his best deal at this point.

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dobber's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:43 am

I presumed he signed the injury waiver and was present during OTAs and rookie camp?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 21, 2017 at 07:09 pm

Adams indeed attended minicamp, though I did not see one word, positive or negative, written about him. He signed an injury waiver.
While rookie contracts are slotted, there are still a couple of areas that can be negotiated:

Guaranteed $. For late 3rd rounders, no base salaries are normally guaranteed. It is all signing bonus. Fackrell got 22% of the total value of his contract guaranteed, just under $700K signing bonus. I don't see any thing Adams as a DL can argue why he should get more.

Split Contract: A player who lands on the IR or other list can be paid less.

Offset: I don't see why this would be an issue: it applies to a player who gets cut but is still owed guaranteed money, and then signs with another team. It is highly unlikely that Adams sees any guaranteed money that isn't a signing bonus, so no guaranteed money will be be owed should he get cut.

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Mark Quarderer's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:10 am

Yes, absolutely.

His career could end in training camp with an injury. Why shouldn't he take the necessary amount of time to get the best deal possible? What critical activity is he missing right now because he hasn't signed?

He will sign. He'll be here at the start of training camp. And I don't blame him a bit for trying to get his best deal at this point.

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Bert's picture

June 22, 2017 at 12:27 pm

Or maybe he knew Guion's birthday was coming up and his stock could rise a bit?

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Handsback's picture

June 20, 2017 at 02:02 pm

I think the dline will be very good this year. I think the more you see a three man front, the better the whole defense will be....

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Turophile's picture

June 20, 2017 at 09:18 pm

I agree with Handsback about feeling good about the Dline in 2017.

Lowry and Clark have shown good indications of being ascending players. Montravius Adams also has talent enough to provide good rotation, maybe not immediately, but soon - he's a real handfull one on one.

Those three plus Daniels who is at the peak of his career, plus Francois for veteran depth. I think this unit has both talent and depth. That allows good rotation, which in turn keeps guys fresh.

Guion was, imo, a descending player who may not make the cut this year. Raji had been underwhelming for years.

It's pretty clear the 330+ lineman is dead in the Packers defensive line. The biggest guy, Clark, has slimmed down a few pounds this year, he's about 310 or less now. Between 295 and 310 seems to be the preferred size these days, guys with a little less bulk but better movement and stamina.

Howard Green, Pickett, Gilbert Brown, Raji, are in the past. That doesn't mean the Packers have picked guys who cannot handle double teams when called upon., Clark and Adams have shown they can do that, but the current watchword is less statue, more line penetration.

I'd even go as far as to say the Pack play more 3 men on the line than in the recent past, just to make best use of the talent they have.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

June 20, 2017 at 02:11 pm

The DL "has been in a state of flux over the last couple of seasons with no signs of stagnancy in sight". Is "stagnancy" what the Packers should be aiming for? Or did you mean "consistency"?

"The Packers enter 2017 with a defensive front that has no issue getting to the quarterback." But Peppers and Jones accounted for over 60 pressures, so they enter 2017 without two of the top 4 in getting pressures and without their second leading sacker from last season. So the stats quoted from last season should be taken with a grain of salt.

While pressure on the QB obviously helps CBs, Zachary writes they had no issue getting to the QB, and later writes, "A fluid pass rush can make even the most mediocre of cornerbacks look like Pro Bowl talents; a foreign concept for the Packers last year." Which is it? After last season, downplaying the importance of talent at CB ("It's about getting a commendable pass rush…") seems foolish. The biggest problem on D last season was having Gunter, the #4 CB going into the season, playing the number one spot.

In addition to those contradictions, like others I disagree with the title. While any position group MAY provide reason for concern, IMO there are a lot more reasons to be concerned about OLB and even CB: McCarthy has praised Clark's off season work and after seeing his improvement last season, I think that's more than McCarthy trying to motivate Clark. Daniels is the star of the group and with the team using only 2 down DL about 80% of snaps, I think the depth is very good: Francois brings veteran experience and Lowry played well for a rookie last year. Price and Adams, who did well during Senior Bowl week, add additional depth. And Guion not being available for the first four games may provide some insurance against injury.

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PatrickGB's picture

June 20, 2017 at 04:05 pm

We might miss Peppers but not Datone Jones. Pressures are valuable but not the only key to a good D-line. If we can stop the run and sack the quarterback on a consistant basis then I consider the line a success. While we do that the corners have to cover and cover well. That's the key.

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Point-Packer's picture

June 21, 2017 at 01:17 am

Of course the idiot homers on this site gave you a thumbs down. Those morons were simply enamored with the "disruptive" Kung Fu Jones, Guy was an ass clown and that's why he is a Viking...if he makes the team.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:48 am

How sad for you that the only way you can call attention to yourself is to name call. But hey, if you can't engage logically, name call!

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stockholder's picture

June 20, 2017 at 04:47 pm

Don't agree on Trgovac! He couldn't get full potential out of anyone. He's been the trouble for the DL. Switching Raji. Was pitiful. He wrecked him. To many others have come and gone. Since he's been coach, this DL has reversed it's play. We get retreads, their better coached, and give more than he's developed. Forget Daniels. He's over -rated with no Rush. His best play comes against weak offensive lines. How many guys have been on PEDs? The defense keeps pointing fingers. Let's start with the coaching. These coaches haven't earned any praise!

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stockholder's picture

June 20, 2017 at 09:07 pm

Time for a change. I'd try Jeremy Pruit or even Dave Aranda.

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TJ Coon's picture

June 20, 2017 at 04:51 pm

A modest jump from Kenny Clark??? As soon as I read that I knew exactly where you were going to go. Good info but definitely glass half empty type stuff. That kind of thinking is fine if its say the 6th game of the actual season and not when mini camps have just ended and training camp hasn't even started yet. That's where you get a real idea as to the possible trajectory of the defensive line because of their ability to Get Physical during said training camp.
Imho, Kenny Clark will be a beast this year as he was just in the infant stages of his position last year. I expect him to grow tremendously and have that sweet second-year jump that McCarthy always talks about. Not to mention the dude's a baby and his ceiling is massive. So I'm going to have to disagree with this article and say I think the defense is pretty well set when it comes to the style of play by most offenses in the NFL nowadays with maybe an exception to the outside linebackers. But that's another story. With that being said I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to allow my opinion to be heard in this forum. I really appreciate it.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 20, 2017 at 06:09 pm

I'm usually a "glass half-full" type of guy, you can just ask my Twitter following who tore me to shreds last year when the Packers were sitting at 4-6 and I kept trying to instill confidence in others by reminding them that the season was far from over. Truthfully, the defensive line - to me - just doesn't feel as set as others may believe. But yet again, the same can be said for their corners and linebackers as well, so it's all up in the air at this point.

I appreciate you reading, TJ. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing. If everybody agreed with each other, then what's the point?

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JDK52's picture

June 20, 2017 at 05:30 pm

I don't get it. The coaches state this could be the deepest line in years and you call it faulty? We have a great mix of proven talent, consistent rotational veterans, and young, ascending guys itching to make some noise. I'd say our D line is far from faulty; it's one of the strengths of this team.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 20, 2017 at 06:11 pm

I feel like it's far from a strength, but this is just my spin on it. It's not like the coaches are going to openly say that any position on their team is a weak point, especially not in the offseason when they know fans are aching to hear about player development.

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Mojo's picture

June 20, 2017 at 05:37 pm

As usual, depending on their health, I don't see the d-line as an area of great concern for GB going into this year. For one, I think the Packs best defensive player is on the d-line - Daniels (btw check out the link provided in this article from Zach Kruse. For a relatively little guy Daniels gets after it and at times kicks ass).

K. Clark was OK last year and there's no reason he shouldn't get better. From what I understand he worked hard to increase his speed and strength while losing a few pounds and adding muscle during this off-season. For me, that's important if for no other reason it appears improving is important to him at a position where it's not uncommon for players to just go through the motions and collect a check. Same could be said for Lowry.

M. Adams -who knows. If he wants it, my understanding is he has some talent. Could bring some juice, but what I've seen from interviews he doesn't seem to be that enthralled to be here. Maybe I'm reading him wrong and he'll go all out , but as of now I'm not getting a good vibe.

After that all they need is a couple of depth players among Price, Ringo, Guion or someone else. The simple fact is outside of Daniels and Clark I don't expect any of the other d-lineman to get a ton of snaps anyway since they're big on using the smaller faster personal to match-up in this pass happy league.

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EdsLaces's picture

June 20, 2017 at 05:44 pm

Yea, definitely disagree with this article sorry.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 20, 2017 at 06:13 pm

Anything specific you disagree with?

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EdsLaces's picture

June 20, 2017 at 10:57 pm

I just disagree as a whole. Like many of the other posters here I think our DL will be solid. I think Clark absolutely kills it this year and Daniels well ...we already know what he's capable of.

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Point-Packer's picture

June 21, 2017 at 01:19 am

The D line will be a huge liability, again. Keep drinking the kool-aid, you nut ball extreme homer.

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fthisJack's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:25 am

how is the DL a liability when they only gave up 96 yd. rushing a game. Daniels is solid and you have 2 young guys in Clark and Lowry that should be much better. you added a solid vet in RJF and have Guion. Price and Ringo make for solid depth. Adams is an unknown but should be good if he's not a head case. sure they could be better, but i don't think they are a liability.

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marpag1's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:53 am

LOL.

Oddly, the "extreme homers" over there at Pro Football Focus ranked GB's front seven as the 9th best in the league last year. Clearly, they're drinking the green and gold kool-aid, too, I guess.

Going full-bore power-dickhead does not make your flimsy opinions more believable than someone else's.

profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-defensive-front-sevens-this-season/

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EdsLaces's picture

June 21, 2017 at 01:49 pm

You're an absolute idiot point packer.

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Handsback's picture

June 20, 2017 at 09:55 pm

OK, how many dline guys will Green Bay keep? If it's 6 you have Daniels, (Lowry)Lewis & Clark, RJF, Mt. Adams, and either Ringo or Price is right. In that group you have established run stoppers, and guys improving enough to add a pass rush. To quote Daniels...they were two plays away from having a defense ranked 6 in the league in stopping the run.
Their coach is very solid (IMHO) and getting pressure will be an area of improvement. Will it happen? I hope so, but I'm much more optimistic than not.

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Ferrari Driver's picture

June 21, 2017 at 12:23 am

Remember that the Packers have been playing nickel about 80% of the time and have only two DL on the field.

Clark and Lowry seem to be coming along at a decent pace and Adams should fit into that group of young players nicely.

The older veterans look okay with Mike Daniels being one of the better defensive linemen in the league.

Bottom line: The DL looks fine to me.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 21, 2017 at 12:28 am

I'll just say this, at this time last year I was called insane by a lot of people for saying the Packers weren't deep at cornerback and a single injury could bring that entire unit crumbling down. The rest is history...

I just get the same vibe this offseason about the defensive line sans Mike Daniels. It doesn't seem deep. Of course they don't necessarily have to be because those are two completely different positions (DB, DL) but it'd be nice to have confidence in that rotation.

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dobber's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:49 am

How has this position group really changed in the last year...if you don't count Julius Peppers as a DL?

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Arthur Jackson's picture

June 21, 2017 at 11:28 am

If only Shields got injured it would not have had anywhere near the impact of Randall and then Rollins both suffering significant almost immediately after Shields. Injuries that clearly impacted their play even after returning.

Just like the year before. It wasn't just Jordy. Cobb hurt his shoulder the next week and played one-armed much of the season. Adams had a severe ankle injury. Ditto for Montgomery. Even Jones who was stellar early but then slumped. Many blamed his speed and defenses adjusting but it was more a chronic hamstring injury that if not for all the other WR injuries would have had him on the bench. That's the NFL, a team cannot guard against a lot on injuries in one position group. I think they should have a DL like baseball.

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Point-Packer's picture

June 21, 2017 at 01:18 am

This position group sucks. If you think any different, you have drank the same kool-aid as all the Kung Fu Jones lovers.

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fthisJack's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:31 am

drink,drank,drunk for all the English fans.

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marpag1's picture

June 21, 2017 at 09:10 am

Ironically, "drink, drank, drunk" seems to be the story of Point Packer's life, but it hasn't transferred over to his grammar.

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Donster's picture

June 21, 2017 at 06:16 am

The defense's rushing stats are misleading because most teams passed against us most of the time. Packers gave up 4308 yards passing vs 1515 yards rushing. Why run against the Pack? Especially with no pass rush, opponents QB's could sit back, have a wee bit of tea, then throw the ball to a wide open receiver. You must have pressure on the QB, period. The Pack has not been able to do that for a number of years. I hope the changes that have been made during the off season helps change that. But I am not going to hold my breath.

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Lphill's picture

June 21, 2017 at 06:34 am

The D line will be improved , Clark will be a force , Montavious Adams will be a welcome addition , I think the problem against the pass last year was the actual scheme , on 3 rd and long how do you get pressure with 1 or 2 down lineman? I don't see other teams using this scheme why does Capers ?

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fthisJack's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:34 am

the 3 man rush with 4th and 26 never works for Capers but he continues to use it....insanity.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 21, 2017 at 07:28 am

It's hard to know what the team is going to do with their defense this year. McCarthy devoted a lot of energy to analyzing the weak points of the offense and defense, especially scheme-wise--in the off-season. They then FINALLY were able to pick up the "super-fast ILB" they had been after for the past 3-4 years (losing those prospects to earlier drafters each year).
I think they have decided to go all-out on a "disruptive defense" approach. Capers always liked that type (remember the "Psycho?"), but hasn't had the number of athletic playmakers it takes to make that prosper. In some ways, I think having Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers stunted the development of a "team psycho" approach. I also think that the traditional perceived "need" to have a massive run-stopping NT for the 3-4, kept the roster from becoming aggressive. I think that Mike Daniels' success, as well as the success of several other teams who have gone "aggressive," has steered the Packers to this route.
Consider some of the recent personnel decisions that imply a move to penetration-over-gap control: 1. Drafting Montravious Adams, a penetrator. 2. Having K Clark LOSE weight (a few years ago, they would have wanted him to GAIN weight). 3. Moving Burnett to ILB AND drafting J Jones to play ILB/in-the-box safety. 4. Moving D Randall to the slot, and commenting that "With his athleticism he will be great at blitzing." 5. Selecting Biegl, an aggressive athletic OLB. 6. In fact, CLEARLY using SPARQ scores in their draft and UDFA pursuit.
I think that the success of NFL offenses has led the coaches to decide that turnovers, sacks, and TFLs are the "future" of a successful NFL defense.

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JDK52's picture

June 21, 2017 at 08:22 am

I agree with your opinion. It's clear they've been trying to get more athletic for the past few years, and with the departures of a few of the less-than-athletic guys (Hyde is the most obvious) we actually have the opportunity to put more speed on the field on every play.

There will be missteps along the way, but as a whole I think the aggressive approach will gets us back to sacks and turnovers which have always been the backbone of the Capers scheme.

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dobber's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:48 am

I think you're correct. This defense is going for a look more like the "Chad Brown"-era Steelers with more athletic outside rushers. We'll see if they can pull it off.

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Handsback's picture

June 21, 2017 at 07:45 am

I like Kool-aide!!

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Handsback's picture

June 21, 2017 at 07:45 am

I like Kool-aide!!

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Zack Mcdonald's picture

June 21, 2017 at 10:13 am

In a 3-4 scheme pass rush is mostly about having athletic linebackers and creative blitz schemes. Pass rush from linemen is a bonus. They mainly eat up blocks to free up the linebackers. I'm more concerned with the linebacking core than I am the linemen this year. I think this article missed in that regard.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 21, 2017 at 11:11 am

I think we have to worry
1. about QB group, more if Brett will leave.
2. than, we have to worry about OL, we have inexperienced OL and experienced guys are just, well JAGs,
3. we have to worry about our RB group because Packers top RB is WR and rest of the group is inexperienced JAGs from college,
4. we have to worry about TE group because there is no depth and Bennett and Kendricks needs to establish chemistry with AR, yet,
5. we have to worry about WR group becaue No 1 is old, No 2 do not live up to his contract, No 3 has only one good year (which is not true, but...) and the rest of the bunch is JAGs with little or no experience,
6. we have to worry about DL group (read this article!),
7. we have to worry about LB because 2 starters are injury prone and washed, rest of the group is either unexperienced or JAGs,
8. we have to worry about CB group, because that group is inexperienced, slow, bad and bust players,
9. we have to worry about S group because the are OK, but they can not do everything alone,
10. we have to worry about ST team, because kicker change to many holders, punter is rookie, and whole coverage and KR/PR team are made of JAGs - exception is Jeff Janis, of course...
WE HAVE TO WORRY!
Packers are weak, unexperienced team filled with JAGs and few top players (Aaron Rodgers, Bennett, Daniels, Crosby, Nelson, King and, of course Jeff Janis!)... To little to be in battle for SB...
Guys from cheeseheadtv do you read what you are writing?
Is ther any position group that we can be at least satisfied with?
Thank you!

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dobber's picture

June 21, 2017 at 01:24 pm

Maybe we need to go from the "worry chair" to the "worry bus" with seating for 50?

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holmesmd's picture

June 22, 2017 at 01:33 am

Lol yes Dobber, there must be a worry chair for each one of us;)

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

June 21, 2017 at 09:01 pm

I have no interest in writing about sunshine and pixie dust every single day; I'm sure there's homer Packer sites out there that'll do that. We aim for quality and realism here. I'll give you the positives but I'll also give you the blatantly obvious negatives with some opinionated takes in between - like this article.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 22, 2017 at 05:28 am

Well, Zach, I'm glad that you confirmed my conclusion I wrote through this 2 sentences : "Packers are weak, unexperienced team filled with JAGs and few top players (Aaron Rodgers, Bennett, Daniels, Crosby, Nelson, King and, of course Jeff Janis!)... To little to be in battle for SB..."

That is what I read from your answer. This 2 sentences are "quality and realism" regarding Packers?

If not, can you answer me how the hell Packers managed to be in play off every f***ing" of the last 8 seasons and achieved to be 6 time NFC North champions out of 7 seasons in the row?

So, there can be several answers to that question. Maybe that "aim for quality and realism" is not achieved yet and you should put little light in the aim, or something else?

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

June 22, 2017 at 11:33 am

"I'll give you the positives but I'll also give you the blatantly obvious negatives with some opinionated takes in between - like this article."

No Zachary, what you often give us are disjointed posts containing contradictions as I pointed out above. (I see you responded to other posts, I wonder why you haven't responded to that one.) And perhaps In an attempt to give your writing more credibility, you frequently use words like "stagnancy" without knowing what they mean.

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dobber's picture

June 21, 2017 at 03:53 pm

...and it was starting to look like Khyri Thornton was going to actually make something of himself. Ooops!

profootballrumors.com/2017/06/lions-dt-khyri-thornton-suspension

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June 21, 2017 at 07:36 pm

The packers may have had enough of Letroy G. with his latest DWI. But even without him, I think the D line is pretty good.

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