Time To Ask: What's Wrong With Charles Woodson?

Charles Woodson is coming off one of his worst games as a Packer. What is wrong with the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year?

People who read this blog regularly (other than WoodyG) know that I am not much of an alarmist. I try to see both sides of an issue before presenting my opinion and I try not to be sensationalist just to drive traffic to the site. (Corey would probably prefer I be a bit more sensationalist in this regard...)

With all that out of the way, I have to ask:

What is wrong with Charles Woodson?

The reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year has looked anything but dominating three games into the 2010 season. In fact, if anything, he seems to be playing worse and worse.

Monday night was, by far, the worst game Woodson has had as a Packer.

I don't use those words lightly. And I'd love for someone to jog my memory and remind me of a game where Woodson was worse than what was on display in Chicago on Monday night. The penalties. The dropped interception. And just plain getting beat, not just once but several times.

Yes, he had some good pressure from the slot. And he had his patented karate chop for a forced fumble move in full effect. This is how good he is - even when he is having a terrible game, he is still bringing positive things to the table.

But more than a few times, Cutler looked in his direction and found what he was looking for. Let that sink in. The Bears stayed away from Tramon Williams (for good reason - he's playing fantastic football) and threw at Woodson. And were successful, either by completing the pass or forcing Woodson to commit a penalty.

Some people might point to Woodson's toe injury that popped up just before the start of the season - but isn't this the same injury he was dealing with all of last season when he earned the title of Best Defensive Player?

I don't know. I don't have any answers. What I do have is one, burning question.

What is wrong with Charles Woodson?

 

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mark's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:28 am

Charles Woodson is fine. He had a bad game. Give me a break.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:31 am

Really? You think he played well in the other two games? I don't.

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Rich's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:43 am

i think he has first game of the season did u not see his forced fumble, i didnt see woodson the entire game because noone threw to him he locked it down. The bills game he locked everyone down but that penalty that was called on him because he tripped with evans. Other than that he was fine but the chicago game, he'll come back next week against the lions and pick off 2 once again or something like that.

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RockinRodgers's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:32 am

Great. Something else to worry about.

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PackJoe's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:32 am

I have been wondering the same. If I remember correctly couple of PI was made just to prevent receiver from a home run touchdown.

Seems like he is struggling against speed.
Remember last year Johnny Knocks....

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Ken's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:33 am

Perhaps Arizona was worse (the officials didn't help matters) or the Saints disaster in '08.

Not worried about Wood in the least. If we have to worry about him, we have to worry about 51 things.

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PackersRS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:24 am

Agree on those games. Good memory. I think the Saints primetime game was blocked from mine somehow...

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Ken's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:15 pm

Haha. That game was beyond brutal. I believe it was tied then the second half was atrocious.

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Bob Pankratz's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:35 am

It could be that woodson is having to worry a bit about the two rookies back their with him.

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:36 am

The truth is somewhere in-between. I don't think he's playing at his MVP level of last year, but I don't think his play has fallen off substantially either.

He's taken false steps and/or eaten fakes/good footwork from receivers. As a smart veteran, he grabbed and risked a flag instead of giving up the big play.

My only question: Why the false steps, why is he biting on fakes? No concerned at this point, but will question if he's lost a step should it trend.

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ZaphodBeeblebrox's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:37 am

I found it interesting to see McGinn's Packer Insider review of the Bears game state in black-and-white that the Bears stayed away from Tramon and went after Woodson.

As I mentioned on Twitter, do you think the pre-AZ playoff game official "warning" about holding has Woodson playing differently?

Or, do you think that he has a creeping case of Freemanitis? Have a great year, get more $$$, take it "easier"?

Or is he starting to "lose" speed (he's never been a burner)? I still remember Knox blazing past him for a TD the opening game at Lambeau last year...

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:39 am

In all fairness, Knox will blaze past almost every corner and safety in the NFL if given a free release.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:46 am

Wasn't a TD. Woodson pushed him out of bounds before he got there. ;)

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MarkinMadison's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:01 pm

Whatever it is, it is NOT about the money. Could be age. Could be having rookies around him. Could be worried about flags. Could be that last year he was a little luckier than he deserved. But money? I don't think so. This guy just not seemed to be wired to take it easy to me.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:52 pm

Could be it just proves everyone needs to practice some of the time.Even the sharpest knife needs to get honed every now and then.

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Anita's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:41 am

What's wrong? No Al Harris, no Atari Bigby? Other teams aren't afraid of the rookies. They'd have to account for Woodson, Harris AND Bigby under normal circumstances. Now, all they have to worry about is Woodson.

And the same goes for the refs and their hankies.

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RockinRodgers's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:50 am

I think they have to account for Williams and Collins.

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andrew's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:45 pm

yeah.. and i dont think anyone aaccounts for bigby.. he is not a stud and definetly makes just as many mistakes as burnett does.. tramon is a quality corner not as good as harris but still.. needs to be accounted for.. adn collins is one of the top safeties in the league.. so yeah

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dilligaff's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:52 am

I think you will find the answer once you find out what is wrong with this team. You had the Packers as the "Ugly" this week.

I am not sure if its the coaching or too many rookies where Woodson feels he has the added burden to compensate.

If you think about the past Super Bowl contenders, how many had rookies playing in key positions? Much less half of them being undrafted, much less the unproven 2nd and third year players we have.

The defense has not played at full strength, (defensive line issues, OLB issues, poor play of the ILBs) at the same time nursing along 2 rookies in the secondary.

IMO I think Woodson misses Bigby, I think they play well together. Once Bigby can make a contribution to the defense we will see our stats improve against the run and Woodson will feel less like a veteran keeping watch on the rookies and play his game.

Stats are stats, but last year this defense struggled without Bigby early, once Bigby got back into the line up, things settled down.

Again our front 7 have to get healthy and consistent, I think Neal getting back into the lineup along with Jones will go a long way in improving their play.

I still think we have an ILB problem, Hawk and Chillar are not doing it, and when Barnett has a quiet game makes it worse.

Even Woodson needs a good foundation in front of him to do his thing.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:39 am

I don't think Bigby breaks back into the starting line-up. If you watch Burnett, he is raw, but the guy is just so athletic. By mid-season he will be making more plays than Bigby ever could. If you watch him on that deep throw to the endzone in the first quarter by Cutler, he and Collins coverge on the receiver so damn fast. He may be even more athletic than Collins. Bigby does not have the upside that Burnett does.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:55 pm

Yes,and thank goodness it was over thrown as a PI was coming as neither was looking back at the ball.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:15 pm

I'm not sure it was PI, it doesn't matter if you don't turn your head if you don't touch the player before the ball comes. Pretty sure they hit him when the ball arrived and pushed him even further out of bounds. I could be wrong though, don't have the game film.

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thepretzelhead's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:21 pm

It's good to have a rookie safety getting PI's even if it was bogus. It means he's around the ball. By week 10....sizzle.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:56 am

I don't think he played bad in the first two games. He didn't play well in the third game though. Maybe he just has a nagging injury or something. He'll be fine. If he plays bad against Detroit THEN I'll start to worry a bit. Even though Chicago receivers aren't the best, they are very fast.

Maybe, Capers is asking even more of him this year scheme wise. Maybe, his efforts are being spread to thin. Hard to tell.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 10:58 am

In my opinion our secondary looks much more solid compared to last year. We need to extend Tramon's deal. If we can get a healthy Harris and Bigby back, we may have a top three secondary in the league. Assuming there really isn't something wrong going on with Woodson.

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PackersRS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:28 am

Yeah. Tramon Williams is, right now, the best player on our secondary, and it's not even close.

I'm worried. He hasn't played like he can since the AZ debacle, to be honest. It's not that he's playing bad, but he's not a difference-maker right now.

Not gonna jump to conclusions YET. His talent is still off the charts, and we all have seen him dominating games in a fashion that no other DB outside of Troy Polamalu has done. And if that domination shifts to Matthews, while the rest of the secondary plays in a good level, it's not the end of the world.

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LACheez's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:29 am

maybe they have woodson trying to do too much? instead of just focusing on more of things he is good at...i have never been a fan of the woodson blitz. he never seems to be able to get much pressure. and maybe woodson is more on ref's radar this year because of his great play last year.

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 11:42 am

Disagree. Woodson won MVP because of his phenomenal play (smarts) at or near the line of scrimmage.

His days as a shut-down cover corner are done and, I would argue, weren't even there last year. He's at that stage where he's a smart veteran that understands position, reads routes accurately and knows how/when to re-direct and sometimes grab/pull in order to alter a route. Sometimes he will get flagged.

The closer you get Woodson to the line of scrimmage the more he disrupts plays, cuts off routes, strips the football and makes tackles. He's easily All Pro in that capacity and will be again this year.

In coverage, he needs the veteran 'tricks-of-the-trade' and will get called for it from time to time.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:02 pm

Veterans like Woodson usually get the extra slide from the refs,unless you start to get balant with the foul as the hook of Hester.Now you open the refs eyes to scrutinize you more because of your reputation and begin to chip away at the leeway they gave before.
This doesn't mean he is losing his game but,alot of game is earned from the refs giving you the edge of the call.

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fish's picture

September 29, 2010 at 12:08 pm

Woodson played lights out against Dallas last year and (In My opinion) turned the Packers season around after that game because of the Tampa Loss. This will be Woodsons Game again after a poor loss against the Bears. He will fuel the Pack and his Michigan state Fans again.

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NickGBP's picture

September 29, 2010 at 12:22 pm

The other side of this coin is that Capers and the rest of the coaching job has done a tremendous job coaching up the rest of the secondary this year (not to mention a significant improvement to the pass rush). Dealing with two rookie starters is no small feat and he's done a great job so far. Burnett and Shields both look better than I could have ever expected and you've got to give tremendous credit to the coaching staff for that. We haven't exactly faced Drew Brees out there yet but there was a strong sentiment going into the season that opposing offenses would completely expose the rookies. That hasn't happened even against "Genius Martz" (although unfortunately he has to deal with pout-face as a QB so that hurts). I personally don't understand how Capers can be viewed as anything but a success overall (obvious retort being the playoff game last year).

This is a better overall defense than it was a year ago, no questions asked. If Woodson has a mediocre year (not that you are saying he will) I'm confident that we'll still be a top 10 D unless there are significant injuries (Matthews, Williams, Collins or Woodson).

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 12:24 pm

Totally agree with this. The work that Tramon and Sam Sheilds are doing in particular has been a pleasant surprise.

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PackerBacker's picture

September 29, 2010 at 03:32 pm

Along that line, isn't it possible that Capers has turned a lot of his priority to getting Matthews open and pressuring the QB? It's possible that CM3's emergence as a elite pass rusher / run stuffer have moved Woodson into a more defined cornerback position (not entirely obviously, you don't over-restrict a talent like him). This slight restriction may highlight that his age is catching up with him and he doesn't have as much speed as he used to.

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PackersRS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 04:00 pm

Woodson blitzed 3 times last game. No CB ever blitzes 3 times. So no.

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hyperRevue's picture

September 29, 2010 at 12:51 pm

When is it time to ask the same question of Greg Jennings?

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:00 pm

Nothing wrong with Jennings. When you have a phenom like Finley that's been targeted 21 times and caught 17 balls (averaging over 15 yds/catch) you're going to see decreased productivity.

Also, with the lack of a running game we're seeing Driver/Jones/Nelson with substantial targets, not to mention Brandon Jackson.

This team is reverting back to more traditional West Coast spread offense with passes underneath to compensate for the lack of an assertive run game.

Pure circumstance. Jennings may spend much of this season pulling cover corners and safeties to the deep 1/3rd of the field as a decoy, but he will get some deep balls.

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NickGBP's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:06 pm

Which he will subsequently drop. That deep pass that he dropped was inexcusable. I think it's time to face the fact that Jennings is in no way elite. He's very good though.

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PackersRS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:12 pm

The ball was incredibly fast. Jennings had to jump in the air, revert his position, and snatch the ball while falling onto a defender.

A catchable ball? Yes, by all means. The pass was marvelous, given the circumstances.
But inexcusable? I just don't see it.

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:14 pm

You mean the ball that, while running at full speed and meeting it at its highest point while airborne (cover corner draped all over him) and he couldn't real it in?

You can't be talking about that ball, must be a different one. Even if that is the ball, how does his inability to make that catch (sample size of 1) suddenly diminish his status as a receiver?

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NickGBP's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:34 pm

Yes, I'm talking about the one that he had in both hands that he lost control of and dropped. You make it sound as if running full speed and jumping to catch a ball are rare occurrences that a WR must deal with.

The fact is he isn't involved in many gamechanging plays except for that win against CHI last year. His numbers last year were very good, not elite. He had a lot of drops. This one adds to it.

Simple question...would Finley have caught that ball?

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NoWayJose's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:20 pm

Yes and no. It may be that Rodgers is staying away from Jennings because he is getting too much coverage (really hard to see on tv), but his numbers are a little low for my liking too. He needs more than 2 catches.

Also, I feel like I've only seen him run two routes this year, the deep go/post and the 15 yard curl. It seems like we aren't finding him on some of his old standbys, like the slant, smoke, or the shorter post routes.

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tomthumb4's picture

September 29, 2010 at 05:34 pm

No running game= no play action pass. No play action pass= no throws to Jennings. No throws to Jennings = garbage fans trying to assess the play of a WR when they have never played football in their lives. Case closed

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:31 pm

Agree on CSS' points for the most part. I also tend to think the Bears defense keeping both safeties back for the majority of the game had a big part to play in his disappearing act on Monday. Rodgers was doing a great job of taking what he was given, which were underneath routes, like the smash and slant, that Driver is so good at. Jennings' best routes are all at the 10-15 yard mark where the Bears were squatting most of the night.

That said, he simply HAS to come down with that deep ball. The Packers FINALLY get him deep on a single-high look, Rodgers reads it perfectly, places a PERFECT ball - and Jennings drops it. Inexcusable.

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NickGBP's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:36 pm

Exactly. The only question you need to ask yourself is, would Finley have caught that ball? The answer has to be yes.

Finley=freak athlete, elite talent (if he keeps up this pace). Jennings = very good. It's not even a criticism really, or at least I didnt intend it to be.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:03 pm

I think Jennings proved in the AZ game that he is elite. Elite being top 10 receiver in the league. He seems to play better towards the second half of each year. Like last year besides the Chicago game he kinda had a slow start.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:05 pm

Also, I don't know if you can compare Finley and Jennings. Finley is debatably the best catching TE in the league whereas Jennings just top 10 WR.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:11 pm

He had two defenders on him but isn't going deep like that on 1st on your own 15 or so getting a little PREDICTABLE,hence the two defenders on him.

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fish's picture

September 29, 2010 at 03:18 pm

Isn't it ironic that only last year we were saying how immature Finley is, and this year he seems to be the most "Game Day" Mature player.

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fish's picture

September 29, 2010 at 04:36 pm

In addition, I won't mention one of the three, but when you saw Brooks or Freemen running deep, you knew they would have something in there hands in the endzone.

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fish's picture

September 29, 2010 at 04:47 pm

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WoodyG's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:07 pm

" People who read this blog regularly (other than WoodyG) know that I am not much of an alarmist. " ........

So far, not much (if any) support for this self-analysis ....... It's all in how you interpret 'alarmist'....... I find trashing an HC based on one outing instead of an entire body of work is ...... Should I say it ......... "Alarming".

Ref C. Woodson ....... Expectations ..... Did anyone think Charles was going to contend for another DPOY award in 2010? .... Most wanted GB to draft a CB in round 1 - 2010 but then are miffed because Woody is less effective at age 34 ..... (If that even ends up being the case - 13+ games yet to go) .....

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PackersRS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:14 pm

So you're saying that bad clock management, bad challenges, penalties galore and underachieving are NEW occurences?

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:28 pm

"I find trashing an HC based on one outing instead of an entire body of work..." Right. This is the first time McCarthy has used the "Hope and Pray Technique". My apologies.

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xxstatic's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:09 pm

It's early, he hasn't been playing to his capable level yet, I think he will get there and quite possibly this weekend when the Lions come to town (always seems to play well against them...so does everyone..)
I think he has earned a little more time before we get real concerned but still the question is going to be the same and louder in the next few weeks if he doesn't get it going.

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dgtalmn's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:10 pm

In a game of speed that gives you no time to think, only to react, maybe with all of the rookies out there he is thinking to much and not reacting.

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RickyBobby's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:22 pm

they're going to lose to the lions, aren't they?

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NickGBP's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:29 pm

I think he's saying they're moving to Los Angeles.

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lars's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:32 pm

You are being alarmist Nagler. Woodson is just preoccupied with trying to figure out how to spend the extra $4 million TT threw at him this year. He'll come around.

Now, if you really want to worry look at the performance of mark Tauscher over the first 3 games---putrid. I love Tauscher, but he looks done.

And, your boy AJ Hawk was flopping around on the ground when Hester returned that punt for a TD. Just saying.

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WoodyG's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:42 pm

You forgot to mention Brandon Jackson(Nagler's boy) .... He carried 7 times for a whopping 12 yards (1.7 ypc) ...... No wonder AR has to do it all .....

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:49 pm

Love how everyone gets all over Jackson for...7....carries. How many games have we had to watch Grant bang into the offensive line over and over and over until he starts producing? Jackson is not even being given that chance.

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Briandevil78's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:51 pm

agree with aaron on this just like grant you have to let him wear down a D 7 runs wont cut it

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:19 pm

Seriously...Jackson can wear down a defense?
How,by helping him up after falling down on his own.
He is certainly wearing me out and I only watch the game.

Pitty those defenses I do.

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:54 pm

I love how those being critical of the run game alone act like the running game and passing game are mutually exclusive and want to assess each seperately, they're not.

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WoodyG's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:57 pm

I agree but wonder why .......

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:11 pm

Despite his running, B Jax does look very effective on screens. Might as well just do that instead of runs. Plus, it will boost A Rod's stats which will help my fantasy team.

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thepretzelhead's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:26 pm

Before the Pack turned Jackson into a fullback to cover for protection issues. Just four years ago at Nebraska:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7LqfRdnT0I

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:47 pm

The operative words are...4 years ago at Nebraska.Over the last years he has not even threatened for the #1 spot.Highlight reels are just that,a movie that can make all look great.If he had any #1 quality it would have been out there already.
This is the NFL and he is what he is...

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 03:00 pm

I totally agree with this. And yes, he is what he is. Which is "good enough" - they just need to use him.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:38 pm

How many carries can they really afford to give him(to wear down the D) and not put us in a worse situation if they don't?
This high flying offense has been anything but, and to give more plays to BJ in the hopes of making the D more tired than those just watching is dangerous to the outcome of a game.We are in truth just getting by now.

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Briandevil78's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:36 pm

I was wondring the likely hood of the pack putting in a claim on Trevor Pryce who was cut by the Ravens today. I dont know the proce tag he would come with but would add much needed depth at d-line so we dont have to use Sitton on D-line anymore

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Briandevil78's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:37 pm

*Price* sorry about that

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Morli's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:37 pm

For my money, he played pretty well against Philly. Hadn't he dropped that INT, it would have been an outstanding performance.
The way he covered Jason Avant was more than decent.
You cannot perform at an AllPro-level all season long, he didn't even do that last year. (the game at lambeau against the bears wasn't his a-game, either)

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cilantronate's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:41 pm

Wasn't there a shot at Wood last year by Mr. Nagler. Some play he didn't take the right angle on. I think Woodson's play has increased expectations a little too much. Yeah, he dropped a pick. Yeah a PI call, that's going to happen. But it is impossible to see what Woodson is doing on every play without game film. Does CheeseheadTV get actual game film? Is he helping Shields? Would he have gotten a pick or two if Clay wasn't sacking the QB first? Whatever. Just like last year, #21 is not the problem with this team.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 01:46 pm

"Wasn’t there a shot at Wood last year by Mr. Nagler. Some play he didn’t take the right angle on." Hmmmm. I don't think so, though I could be wrong. I do remember writing about Desmond Bishop taking a bad angle, but hell, that could be from any year he's been on the team. ;)

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WoodyG's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:17 pm

Ay! ...... That's gotta hurt.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:19 pm

I stand corrected!

And I'm glad you found it if only for this: "The Packers have few truly exceptional players. Woodson is one of them. When your blue chip players play badly, you usually lose."

Yep.

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John's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:18 pm

Call out the best defensive player in the league and somehow forget about it?!

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:20 pm

Dude - I am lucky I remember my daughters names at this point...

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PackersRS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:21 pm

So... what about that old Favre guy, huh? He's playing like shit...

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:24 pm

Who?

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dr.aw's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:23 pm

I was " hoping and praying " earlier today how amazing our defense would be with a less-felonized johnny jolly, rookie mike neal, and the crafty veteran al harris. Those three things would make Woodsons job easier for sure. 21's the man and he just needs his help back.

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WoodyG's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:29 pm

Aaron,

I appreciate the back & forth ..... Consider it a challenge rather than some annoying poster questioning your validity ..... Much is learned by all involved which is certainly a big plus for CHTV .......

Now ..... Swing a trade for M. Lynch & I'll be happy all the way to Dallas.

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CSS's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:31 pm

Buffalo is supposedly asking for a starting offensive lineman and a #2. They're nuts...

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:51 pm

Can we get Barbre back and convince them he is a starter?

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RickyBobby's picture

September 29, 2010 at 04:44 pm

colledge, tauscher, or clifton and a 2?
i'd do it in a heartbeat.

hey - you said a starter.

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Aaron Rogders's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:33 pm

Wow, you must be bored. It seems every time Woodson makes a tackle he causes a fumble. I am not going back and reviewing tape but the only things I can remember him doing wrong this year is his 2 pass interference calls. He might not be playing at the high level he did last year at the moment.. but that would be an extremely hard year to repeat that kind of performance.

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Andrew In Atlanta's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:55 pm

I'm always late to the party these days. I was a better poster when I wasn't working as much :)

The short version of my thoughts is...
(1) I'm not worried about Woodson
(2) Jennings needs to make that catch
(3) I'm entertaining offers for Lynch if I'm TT. I don't pull the trigger on the first demand, but I'm listening. Say all you want about dinking and dunking and using the WCO as your run game but Jackson and Kuhn are not a long term option in my view. I watched the 2007 NFC Championship last night on ESPN 2. Watch that game again, in Lambeau mind you, then tell me Jackson and Kuhn are the answer

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PackerAaron's picture

September 29, 2010 at 02:56 pm

And Grant was in that game?

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some guy's picture

September 29, 2010 at 03:18 pm

Woodson is fine. he's had 2 PI's this year and gave up a couple catches. it happens to the best of them. Starks has been burne way worsed and I think he is doing fairly well so far

its just a couple of games. let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

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Chad's picture

September 29, 2010 at 03:58 pm

If I recall correctly, there was one play where Woodson kept Forte (?) from probably making a long run into the end zone on I think a screen pass. Plus, he did have those forced fumbles. (Fateful irony that the one when out of bounds, when Jones' fumble seemed to hover right next to the line.)

I'm not worried about Woodson yet. He's a physical player, so his penalties aren't completely out of the norm.

As has been mentioned, I think the defense overall has gotten a little bit better, so Woodson isn't called on to make as many big plays. For a good example, note that Tramon Williams was brought in on that uncovered blitz for the sack.

Really, can it be such a bad thing if quarterbacks decide to throw towards a ball hawk who led the team in interceptions last year?

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Jack's picture

September 29, 2010 at 04:01 pm

Okay, I know many of you will be rolling your eyes at this, but is it possible that he could be suffering some kind of PTSD after that house fire he survived up in Michigan? That type of trauma could really mess with someone's head. Just sayin'.

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lebowski's picture

September 29, 2010 at 04:48 pm

I thought he smelled smoke and woke everyone else up to get out of the house. It wasn't like he was dragged out by a rescue squad or anything.

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Jack's picture

September 29, 2010 at 05:40 pm

The house was engulfed in flames shortly after the ten or so people sleeping there got out of the building. If that happened to me, I think I would experience some prolonged angst.

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Cole's picture

September 29, 2010 at 05:08 pm

Bottom line: if a few of those strips had been recovered by the pack instead of going out of bounds, would we still be having this conversation or would it have changed our perception of how he has played so far?

I think that while he may not be playing quite as well, that likely the biggest real difference between this year and last is that the turnovers haven't come yet. I am confident that overe the next few games they will come though, same for collins too.

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Chad's picture

September 29, 2010 at 07:00 pm

The sad part is that one of the strips WAS recovered by the Pack. But the refs failed to let the action play out before blowing the whistle... as they are SUPPOSED to do in those situations.

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thepretzelhead's picture

September 29, 2010 at 05:31 pm

worried about Woodson ,,,holy sh*t we are going to the SuperBowl.

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chris's picture

September 30, 2010 at 01:39 am

Let's remember that Aaron Rodgers did say that Woodson was the best player that he's ever seen in person. Jerry Rice,when asked about the best corners that he faced, said Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Charles Woodson, and Rod Woodson. Woodson is simply being asked to do a whole lot for this defense and EVERY corner gets beat from time to time. Woodson has the sense to take the defensive PI call rather than give up the big play. Nothing to worry about. He'll rebound.

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