Do you really expect the Pack to win this? I say there are no expectations of what this team will do. I think the best prediction is that the team that ends up with plus TOs will win. Glad it is not on where I live, it is going to be awful to watch.

I have admitted over the last few games that I had the Packers on the corner TV screen. Though, after a couple of games I applauded them for playing some real 'winner' football, I have been reluctant to big screen them again. That changes this week, because I sense a wreck, even in a win, which I lean to in a low scoring game, human instinct compels me to view it directly and not rubber-neck it via a glimpse here and there from the corner of my eye.

This game will be quite interesting and might answer many questions about coaches and players alike. This game could be the make or break with what the future holds about much.

Two words: external locus of control.

It really shouldn't matter what happens on Sunday or for the other 2 remaining games. There's already 111 games of BarryBall Defense to cement his place as one of the worst DCs in the modern game. If anyone in Packers leadership (MLF) thinks that anything that happens in these 3 games makes any difference then they really have no business having their job.

I think the defense will show up and "look" like a better defense against one of the worst offenses, but I'm actually more concerned with the offense as the Panthers are the 2nd ranked defense in giving up yards per game. While that seems like a dominating defense, they have been lit up for 24.9 pts/game which puts them at 30th for defenses in 2023. Quite a disconnect as Yards correlates with points, but not in the Panthers case. They are near the top of the league in fewest explosive plays given up behind only the 49ers, chiefs and jets. Their turnover differential is -4 so maybe some of that is due to turnovers, but a defense that limits total yards and explosive plays, could be difficult for the Packers.

You have offered a very interesting idea. That if the defense plays really poorly, and for the third week in a row, underachieving teams (meaning: really bad) suddenly become world beaters, then Barry could/might be fired. But as you also noted, LaFleur seems to believe in "promoting from within". And when he broke that, and hired Bisaccia, how has that worked out? The OL is still in flux. After a few weeks of strong improvement, it looked like Love was having problems settling into the game. The pre-snap movement that seemed to work well for Love and the offense for a few games is nowhere to be seen. And LaFleur seems unable or unwilling to make the changes that might help. The question becomes, is it just Barry and Bisaccia who need to go? Or should there be a wholesale clearance, and a new start? DeMeco Ryans has the Texans believing, and playing hard. Same thing with Campbell in Detroit, or Mike McDaniel in Miami. A lot of people were wondering how much depending on Rodgers was helping LaFleur. Do we have the answer?

I always am interested by people who wish for bad things to happen so that somebody else will be "forced" to do what they want them to do.

"Joe Barry IS the adversity." Good one Joseph!

First year quarterback the blitz should come early an often. That being said I’m sure we will drop 7 an watch guys run by us.

Despite what CW and many others have said, I believe MLF has been a good coach. He should get a ton of credit for developing Love into a franchise QB, developing the weapons how he and his staff have, and showing progress in a year with an obscene dead cap figure.

But, that praise comes with two caveats:

1. He catered (or allowed it to happen) too much to 12, causing three AWFUL offensive performances in the playoffs form 19-22.
2. He can't get the defensive coaching staff right.

These two things SHOULD put him on the hot seat in 2024. Meaning GB won't be seen as a "good" job. Playoffs or bust in 2024. And bust means MLF is fired.

I'm all for the Packers winning the final three games of this regular season and making the playoffs (if possible); but it would be sad if this allowed Joe Barry to stay on as a coach.
It's a dilemma.
All I can do is keep rooting for the Packers to win, win, win. . . ; and praying for God to somehow work it all out (in a similar way as I pray the best for the current pope but hope that somehow his personal craziness stops).
I'm not saying God should make the Packers his top priority, but it seems to me that God does help us even in little things.
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The only slim hope for Barry is that he does things differently, with a more aggressive approach to covering receivers and rushing the quarterback, and with at least a semblance of a respectable run defense.
It seems incomprehensible that Barry has not already adjusted in this way after years of futility as the coordinator of the Packers defense.
Barry has to change genuinely, and he has to change permanently.
If the Packers defense is remarkably better in approach and effectiveness against the Panthers, then he gets another chance against the Vikings; and if the Packers defense is remarkably better in approach and effectiveness against the Vikings, then he gets another chance against the Bears -- and so on if we make the playoffs.
In other words, for Barry to keep his job, the Packers defense has to show overall excellence in every game for the rest of this season.
Oh, and even one three-man rush would be grounds for firing Barry right then and there, in the midst of a game -- and I'm kinda not kidding.
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Actually, in my opinion, for LaFleur to keep his job, the Packers offense and defense and special teams have to show overall excellence in every game for the rest of this season.
Then again, whatever happens, if Murphy is indeed interfering in football operations, the Packers are dysfunctional from the top -- and so our next coaches may not be all that good.
The Packers really do need divine intervention.
In the meantime, I'm rooting for them to win all of their games.

LaFluer won't be going anywhere next year. Barry will be gone with other coaching changes but not LaFluer. They will give him 1-3 more years.

MM faced a similar situation after moving on from Favre to Rodgers. After 2008, he canned Sanders and hired Capers in AR's first year. Two years later Superbowl win, then hung on to capers way too long.

Maybe history repeats, and packers are two years away from another superbowl win if they fire JB :)

Let's face it - win or lose, LaFleur will be back next season. The only reason for that will be Murphy. Thank god 2024 is his last year as President! His legacy will be one of laziness and minimal change and enacting the worst management structure this wonderful football club has ever seen. He'll NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as Ted Thompson. His level will be more attune to Dan Devine.

Whether we make it the playoffs or not, I simply don't care. The day The Mighty Murphy leaves in Jul 2025 will be truest time to rebuild our team! GPG

We all knew this season was going to be rough as we’ve seen, so no surprise. The offense was going to struggle at times, which it has. I remember posting in the summer that our D had to pick it up and make it easier on our offense. Again, another very poor season from our D (3 more games will not make up for it). This poor performance from our D has been going on for years. MLF hired our D coordinator and still sticks with him. Why? It’s obviously not working, Hoping Gute will look far and wide and pay up for a competent D coordinator.

Thank you for your service Joseph, appreciate and respect. As for your take, dude, your supposed to keep that one a secret wish! I really think Barry's fate is sealed regardless of outcome in these last three games. The only way to save his job at this point is for Packers to go on a crazy 2010 type run and win it all. Can't happen, right? I think I'd take Barry for one more year if that happens!

FWIW, Joseph, I simply have a totally different mindset: The Packers are a slightly worse than average team, as expected.

8-9 and 6-8 is 14 wins and 17 losses-- slightly worse than average in the NFL. Most predicted about 7 wins this year in the CHTV survey so here we are... with a young team still making its share of mistakes and still learning to be pros week in, week out.

I watch because I haven't missed a Packer game in decades and because I am interested in seeing them grow.

I do not watch in hopes of a train wreck. Yes, yes, it's 𝘥𝘦 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘶𝘦𝘶𝘳 to dump on the DC and wish a pox on the Barry household, but I'm not one to slow down and gawp at traffic accidents and I will not cheer for the other team.

Sorry, if this is a repeat post, but I can’t believe that most of us didn’t get the memo. You know, the one that our general manager sent around when he traded our most aggressive and competent defensive back for minimal draft capital. That course of action was reaffirmed by our head coach when he announced that he was happy to finish out the season with an incompetence, defensive coordinator who is alienating the locker room. Finally, the players have let us know that, at least, on defense, they are buying into our preferred course of action. Campbell made it very clear with his comments about not playing for this team for the rest of the year.

Remember, most of this season the Packers have been everyone’s “ get well “ team. They all get well when they play us. I don’t think MLF gets enough blame. He certainly escaped his fair share of the blame after the MNF fiasco. 22 points against the NYG, all those jet sweeps.
Yeah, Barry blew it, but 22 points against the NYG from this offensive genius 🙄is a joke. Other teams don’t use his excuses . I think the Colts would get shut out every week with no Taylor, Minshew and MLF.
We need a total house cleaning. We are not “ this close” to anything.