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Obviously, the big surprise is the release of Anthony Smith, especially in light of the fact that the team elected to keep Rouse, who had looked pedestrian all preseason before getting hurt. The first logical place to leap (and it is indeed a leap - we/I don't know anything) is Smith's exit from Pittsburgh and the reports that cited his attitude and how he completely lost the confidence of his coaches - maybe there's a personality there that I, obviously, can't see. Because based on the games, it's not even close. Yes, Smith was inconsistent, but no more than Rouse has been over the course of his Packers career. And for every bad play Smith made in camp, a good-to-excellent one would soon follow,  unlike Rouse who would follow a missed tackle with a horrible angle to the ball.

If character was the deciding factor, this follows what can only be described as a disconcerting trend of the Packers always favoring Thompson's precious 'chemistry' over actual, you know, talent. I keep thinking of the year Thompson had Frank Walker as his only free agent signing - all offseason the thinking was Walker would be in competition for the nickel back and for sure would be the dime. When the season started, Walker was regularly inactive while the likes of Jarrett Bush were getting burned in pass coverage out of the nickel. After a very disappointing year, word surfaced that Walker was 'difficult' and not the most well-liked guy in the locker room. Needless to say, he was not re-signed. The next year, there he was making plays in the Baltimore Ravens defensive backfield.

Obviously, this is a minute example of a larger issue - I'm all for chemistry. But as the saying goes, you aren't going to have 53 choirboys out there. Sometimes the General Manager has to go with the talent over the character. I hope I'm wrong about this, I really do. But I really, really don't like t he feel of this particular move.

On top of this, of course, is the fact that, with Rouse hurt, the Packers head into the Sunday night game against Chicago with Collins, Bigby, and Bush at safety.

Sleep well!

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Boothie's picture

The other word from some of the websites is that Thompson isn't done yet, tonight... that should also factor into our evaluation. I think that Thompson knows where the weaknesses of the roster exist.

D.D. Driver's picture

The Packers traded Moll to Baltimore for Derrick Martin. He will supposedly play safety and cb.

Ruppert's picture

Aaron, I guess I agree with you that you should probably go with talent over chemistry. But I'm not sure Frank Walker and Smith have enough talent to make it a big concern. I thought Smith would still be around--don't get me wrong. But to me, it's hardly a disconcerting trend. I think it is probably likely that Smith just didn't stick to the scheme enough, and gambled too much for the coaches' liking. Besides, we did pick up another D back, with more experience, from Baltimore. Smith wasn't going to start, so he'd likely be the dime back or strictly a backup. I assume they like this dude from the Ravens to do that. ________________________________________________________________________ What is more disconcerting to me is that we still have 3 fullbacks on the roster. I am completely blown away, and I pray this is a temporary condition. Let's hope Thompson isn't done.

CSS's picture

No offense Nagler, but you should have slept on this article before you took this slant. This sounds more emotional than completely logical, especially when we (you) don't have access to information. I can name far more instances of teams choosing brand names or performances over chemisty and it was a distraction or backfired. I'm as shocked as you, but there's obviously more to the story.

JerseyPackFan's picture

Oh yes, another year of three often hurt safeties and one who can not tackle and just gets dragged down the field.

I hate bringing this up again. Can some one please tell me why we could not get Jim Leonhard for 3 years, 6 million during the off season?

JesseinAustin's picture

I've defended TT before - but this was ludicrous! So what - they guy MIGHT be a pain in the but. I deal with people who are pains in the butt daily! The point is, can you do your job well or not?

I was SURE we'd crush the Bears, but now I'm going to have nightmares about Jay Cutler slinging it to G. Olsen on seam routes all day.

sunflower100's picture

If it were all about Chemistry then how come TT didn't keep Ruvell Martin? Isn't he friends with Rodgers?

Matt Flynn's picture

Brett Swain will be gone in another year.

Oppy's picture

Ruppert, Derrick Martin hardly has "more experience" than Anthony Smith. Smith was active for 46 games , starting in 14 of them. Martin was active in 28 games, starting 3.
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As much as Smith's release surprised me, there were reports out of Pittsburgh that it wasn't just an attitude that had him out of favor with the coaches, but also his overly-aggressive play that he apparently could not seem to keep in check. Whether this referred to gambling on plays where he should have remained on assignment, or it was his physical aggression I'm unsure(I had hear talk that he was a psycho who more than once lit up his own team mates in what were supposed to be non-contact practices), but perhaps those things had something to do with it as well. Either way, still shocked. He seemed to play well.
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Boothie, you may be right about TT not having played his cards yet. Some have pointed out that both Wells and Dietrich-Smith are still on the roster at C, and there is a belief that indicates perhaps the Packers are working on a deal to move Wells for a starter or near-starter quality Safety, perhaps even a decent Vet QB. Only time will tell.

packeraaron's picture

Um, it's a blog - emotion comes out sometimes -forgive me.
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DDD - if you would get onTwitter you would have known about the Martin trade hours ago... ;)

dustybricks6's picture

so much for the cheesehead tv bump :)

Ruppert's picture

I stand corrected on the experience. Still, they are both 3 year vets from 34 defenses. The bigger point is that we did get a guy to replace Smith who should/could be just as good. Smith, let's not forget, did manage to get kicked out of Pittsburgh because he was a pain in the ass. And the biggest point--this just isn't that important of an issue. So THIS is the reason the Bears will now kill us? Because we switched dime backs at the last minute? Give me a break, people.

Ron La Canne's picture

Rouse, Collins and Bigby have durability issues, I'm scared. Does anyone have a summary of the cuts by other teams? I imagine the waiver wire is being watched closely tonight.
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Cutting Brohm was a surprise to me. Never could have figured that one out. Must be a vet out there somewhere.
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Three RB's including an already injured Jackson. I guess they're moving Hall to RB.
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I predict that Harrell will retire from the IR and be placed in the H-o-F as the first player to serve his term as a Packer on the IR.
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Evan Moore on IR? Why bother?

frosty's picture

JerseyPackFan -- my guess is because of the guys we likely want to resign this year, but it could've been some other kind of contract disagreement not related to the straight dollar amount. Andrew Brandt has said before that often a dollar amount can be agreed upon in the first hour of contract negotiation and then the rest can take weeks/months. The other question is why the Ravens only hung onto him for one year.
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And Aaron, "it's a blog" is a copout ;)

Jayme's picture

"As much as Smith’s release surprised me, there were reports out of Pittsburgh that it wasn’t just an attitude that had him out of favor with the coaches, but also his overly-aggressive play that he apparently could not seem to keep in check."
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I know it was mentioned more than once on this blog and others that Smith would leave his zone to break on a ball. An offense gameplanning against the Packers will burn him deep at least once per game. In a defense that is already aggressive, this is inexcusable, no matter how spectacular it looks in the preseason.
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Other names that I found equally interesting being released: Meredith, Brohm & Sutton. I say at least 2 of these 3 are taken by other teams before they can be placed on the practice squad. Finally, I wish the best of luck to Ruvell Martin, he's always come across as a good guy and I'm sure he'll probably be picked up somewhere. Lord knows he'd be the Vikings, Bears or Lions second best receiver.

Ron La Canne's picture

Jayme, I second your salute to Ruvell Martin. He was a class guy and a TEAM player. I, for one. will miss him. ALL THE BEST TO YOU RUVELL!

Ron La Canne's picture

God! I was just overcome by a scary thought. What if the Bears pick up Martin? He's a good possession receiver and could really help out Cutler.

packeraaron's picture

Ron - I'm afraid that might be exactly what happens...

CSS's picture

Bears and Vikings kept 6 receivers each and three tide ends. A whopping number when you consider the run first offense they employ. I don't see either picking up Martin. That being said, I think Martin deserves a chance to be a number three somewhere, he wasn't going to get it with the Packers....not even a four spot barring injury.

CSS's picture

Check that, Bears kepts 6 receivers and 4 tight ends. Vikings kept 6 receivers and three tight ends. Wow, huge number. Doubt they pick up Martin.

WoodyG's picture

From GBPG -
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" The Packers tried to trade Brohm but did not shop center Scott Wells or fullbacks Kuhn and Korey Hall. "
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" The players with the most tenuous positions on the roster appear to be tight end/linebacker Spencer Havner, offensive lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith and cornerback Brandon Underwood. "

CSS's picture

WoodyG, this just in: Evolution finds evidance that Creationism may be in question. Book of Genesis may not be 100% accurate:)

WoodyG's picture

The Book of Genesis may not be 100% but it has much more wisdom than most blogs, IMO.

CSS's picture

As a metaphorical document, yes. WoodyG: Just playing. I appreciate your posts, please don't take offense. Go PACK!

D.D. Driver's picture

Actually, the first story of creation *is* a story about evolution, wherein God first creates simple organisms and then more and more complex organisms, and finally people.

CSS's picture

Ahhhh, theistic evolution. Not a topic for this site, but apt nonetheless. Looking foward to the end of waiver wire period to see how the practice squad shakes out. God (Darwin, lol) bless you all, go Pack!

seekr's picture

It's surprising that Sutton is gone. Perhaps his history of injury threw some red flags.

FITZCORE1252's picture

"unlike Rouse who would follow a missed tackle with a horrible angle to the ball."

Or a ninety some yard pick from Manning that he took to the house. The kid has made some plays, far from perfect that's for sure, but if your gonna give credit for the negative... NOBODY saw this move coming, and that right there should tell you that there's probably a good reason Ted made it. Neither Dick Lebow nor Dom Capers wanted this guy (I think with their clout if they wanted him they could have kept him), the fact that those 2 let him go tells me all I need to know. But yes, the safety position is sketchy to say the least.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

"But before lambasting Packers General Manager Ted Thompson for his failed draft picks, it’s important to get past his high-profile blunders and look at the big picture. The Packers’ 2009 roster shows Thompson is doing a solid job of building his team through the draft, which points to a promising future.

Harrell, Brohm and Lee are examples of draft misses that occur all the time. No general manager is immune from swinging and missing, even in the early rounds. But Thompson has consistently hit on quality and quantity throughout his five-year tenure.

All told, 32 of Thompson’s 51 draft picks (63 percent) made this year’s team. That number jumps to a staggering 79 percent over the past three years (22 of 28).

With that kind of success, Thompson can afford to miss on a few highly publicized picks."

— Mike Vandermause is sports editor of the Press-Gazette.

Aahh yes "THE BIG PICTURE"... thanks Mike

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nerdmann's picture

The biggest surprise to me was Brohm being released, then Ruvell Martin. They dumped Meredith too. Seems to me they got some guys they really wanted to hang onto.

packeraaron's picture

Fitzcore - Rouse made that play in the old scheme in a game the Packers were comfortably ahead. He has looked almost worse (if that's possible) in the new scheme. I'm as big a fan of Ted's as you will ever find, but he CAN make mistakes. He made one here.

bomdad's picture

Is Ruvell in purple yet?

D.D. Driver's picture

Aaron: According to McGinn, the Packers cut Smith because they liked Martin better (and Martin is no "choirboy" either so there goes that theory).
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It's also fascinating how fans just fall in love with middle-of-the-road players. It's almost almost like some strange cousin of Stockholm syndrome.
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There is a reason Smith is no longer on the Steelers: he was a total fuck-up both on and off the field. I suspect that is why no longer on the Packers as well.

Ruppert's picture

Aaron, don't you think it's a wee bit early to declare this as a mistake? I mean, can we at least see the man's replacement set one foot onto the turf at Lambeau? Jeez...

packeraaron's picture

I never said bringing in Martin was a mistake. They could easily have traded for Martin AND kept Smith. Look, I wrote it in the post - I hope I'm wrong.

Franklin Hillside's picture

I miss the days when we barely knew who the preseason backups were before they got cut.....$&@#ing interweb.

JerseyPackFan's picture

Jeff Garcia anyone???

Ruppert's picture

Sure they could have had them both. But it seems fairly obvious to me that the intent was to replace Smith with Martin. So I refuse to label any such move a mistake until the replacement actually sets foot on the field.

bomdad's picture

I've been looking up stuff on Derrick Martin. He's got a decent resume of charitable work with Habitat and did his own youth camp. Doesn't sound like a locker room distraction.

Dan At Marquette's picture

In conjunction with the original article, I think this brings to mind the keen eye that Ron Wolf had for keeping locker room chemistry smooth, but working in talented trouble makers at the same time. Wolf was clearly more of a risk taker than Ted (who isn't?) but that doesn't mean Ted can't follow the same approach.

With White and Butler moderating the defense and Favre running the offense, it was okay to bring in guys like Rison, because there was established leadership in the locker room that kept potential problem players at bay while their talent exploded on the field.

With Woodson, Harris and Kampman on D, and Rodgers, Jennings, and Driver on offense, I'm shocked that Ted doesn't have the same approach when it comes to dealing with talented players who may have personality conflicts, if attitude was in fact a deciding factor in this cut.

Oppy's picture

Bomdad,
He also got busted in an airport (Cleveland, I think?) with a bag full of pot.
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That doesn't make him a locker room issue, but that could make him a guy who perhaps doesn't take his career as seriously as some coaches or GM's would like.
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That said, the Ravens stated that he's a guy who always gives you the same thing- they said he always has a good practice, and on the field, he always has a good game, he always does what he's supposed to do.
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Of course, that was just on tuesday, and obviously the Ravens just traded him, so that could have been a sales pitch. Who knows. I'm ready to give him a chance.

PackersRS's picture

Being judgemental, I refuse to believe that a guy traded for TONY MOLL could be this good... And the trade wasn't with the clueless Raiders. I believe Ozzy Newsome wouldn't trade a great player like Martin for TONY MOLL.
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And like Aaron said, even if he is, we could've still kept Smith. Because we kept BUSH.

Matt Flynn's picture

I'd rather have my grandmother play DB for the Packers than keep friggin' Bush. Better be some damn good moves by TT this next week!

Here's hoping Sutton and Meredith get through to the PS. And I also hope Ruvell makes a splash with another team - preferably an AFC team!

PackersRS's picture

Sutton went to Carolina. Lumpkin, Obiozor and Talley on the PS.

Steve Simons's picture

Smith was an insurance policy if the team did not pick up the 3-4 fast enough.

Frank Walker was a zone DB (just like Bush) and did not fit into the Packers scheme; they obviously thought he would.

Not trying to defend guys who aren't performing, but I just wanted to point that out.

Three FBs is what gives me the most pause. Apparently Sutton can't play Special Teams worth a lick. Brohm clearing waivers is crazy. I hope he picks the Packers for a practice squad spot, but he may think he's been given the short end of the stick.

cow42's picture

Or maybe they just kept the guy they thought was better?
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Naahhhh - I'm sure it couldn't be that simple. I'm sure there's some deep-dark secret as to why TT made the moves he did.
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I don't care what Ozzy Newsome think he gave up. The fact is he traded a living person for Tony Moll. That means he got schooled.

FITZCORE1252's picture

"I miss the days when we barely knew who the preseason backups were before they got cut…..$&@#ing interweb."

HOW F'ING TRUE!!!!

HAHA

GBP 4 LIFE

FITZCORE1252's picture

On a side note -

Shawn Merriman "choked his girlfriend Tila Tequila"... Tila friggin Tequila? Too Perfect.

GBP 4 LIFE

bucky's picture

If only I could think of an example of an undrafted free agent who wound up starting (and even starring) in the NFL. . . . .

Naw, that would never happen. Especially not in Green Bay.

BuckslayerNYC's picture

I have seen Martin play, he is ok, better than rouse or Peprah. the real darkhorse this year is Bush at safety playing zone instead of corner playing man....He might actually be ok this year.

The Packers just issued a press release annonuncing the following players on their practice squad:

WR Jake Allen

QB Brian Brohm

CB Trevor Ford

LB Cyril Obiozor

RB Kregg Lumpkin

T Jamon Meredith

DE Ronald Talley

NT Anthony Toribio

You gotta give Thompson credit for freeing up a roster spot by putting his third QB on the Practice squad instead of taking up a spot on the 53....Although truth be told I would take Feeley.

Jets and the Ravens Need FB badly....stay tuned

FITZCORE1252's picture

Just got a chance to take in the Live Blogcast, couple things...

Aaron Nagler - Why do you HATE Aaron Kampman?

Corey - It all makes sense now. A dog person would never take Brent as a backup QB for their fantasy team. Clarity!

But seriously, good show guys like always. Dude, a week from right now it's gonna be T-minus 103 minutes till kickoff... I feel confident in my off-season preparation. WOOT.

GBP 4 LIFE

PackersRS's picture

BuckslayerNYC: Ravens need FB? LeRon McClain is a BEAST.

FITZCORE1252's picture

"BuckslayerNYC: Ravens need FB? LeRon McClain is a BEAST."

I got him and Ray Rice, torn on who to start. McClain got all the TD's last year but Rice is suppose to be the centerpiece this year... decisions.

GBP 4 LIFE

BuckslayerNYC's picture

McClain is on their team as a TB this year, not a blocking FB is my understanding

Glorious80s's picture

"Better living through chemistry."

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