Seahawks: 36 Packers: 16

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Packers' opening night loss to the Seahawks

Corey Linsley, Tramon Williams & Josh Sitton

Derek Sherrod, Letroy Guion, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Brad Jones

 

 

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Ruppert's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:16 am

Morgan Burnett is a disaster, too.

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The GrEEn kNiGhT's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:24 am

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Www.releasebradjones.com

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:28 am

I disagree on the bad with Clinton-Dix. Was he perfect, no. Could he have been better, yes.

But what he showed me is he can play in this league. He had some rookie mistakes. That first missed tackle was a welcome to the NFL moment for him. But he got in position to make an interception on the ball, with a great read of the QB. I would like to see him make that interception but he got in position to make it. When is the last time we saw a Packers Safety do that for Green Bay.

IMO, there were a lot more Bad players then Clinton-Dix.
Hawk, Daniels, Burnett were all worse then Clinton-Dix.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:40 am

Totally agree. I was largely pleased with HHCD's performance, given that it was his first real pro game, against Seattle, in Seattle. I saw him around the ball more than Hyde and waaaaay more than Burnett.

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JimTaylor31's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:31 am

I think CM would be considered "good". Unfortunately he is about it as far as the front 7 seven is concerned. Dix was at least around the ball and showed some good instincts. I'm optimistic with him. Brad Jones just can't start on a playoff caliber defense. I'd rather see Lattimore or Barrington make mistakes but at least make a play once in a while. Jones and Hawk will get bullied all year I'm afraid.

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tm_inter's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:47 am

I also disagree on Clinton-Dix. I think he was more impressive for the night that Burnett or Hyde. At least he didn't make stupid mistakes like Daniels' running into the kicker or Hayward's face-masking.

The Packers should save 4 million by releasing Brad Jones - he did more harm than good to the team!

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:43 am

The facemask was dumb. But isn't it a stupid rule when Wilson can grab Hayward's facemask at the same time, but the call goes against Hayward?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 05, 2014 at 06:00 pm

I also think Ha-Ha looked like he was a rookie with talent. Burnett was awful. Hyde deflected the pass that Brad Jones dropped (thought Seattle's receiver made a good play to make it a difficult interception). Had Jones intercepted, Hyde would be given partial credit as a play maker. Releasing Brad Jones saves $2 million on the cap, and GB eats $2 million in dead money. B. Jones maybe should be an expensive ST player.

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lmills's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:51 am

Also agree about Ha Ha. Missed a couple tackles, but was at least in the right places and did make a few good plays. Promising at least.

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Paul Ott Carruth's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:55 am

I would replace Burnett with Clinton-Dix in the bad category. He played flat footed a couple of times and subsequently missed a few tackles......BUT....it was undeniable that he can play a middle field safety better than Burnett as evidenced on the near interception. He also filled from the safety position quite well....much better than Burnett. Burnett was non-existent for a safety collecting a sizable paycheck.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 05, 2014 at 06:03 pm

Beautiful words. I have encouraged a Dix/Hyde safety duo. I am not sold on Richardson, only on Richardson's athletic ability.

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Klincker's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:56 am

Bad: only using half the field. Sure you dont want to throw to Richard Sherman a lot, but maybe try something easy, quick slant, double-move, and give the WR a chance. Did Rodgers ever look right all game. I recall the one play down the Packers sideline, but it was a deeper ball and Sherman was covering something short.

Ugly: no creativity. Couldnt we use Cobb in a similar fashion as Harvin. We sometimes do. More options with putting him in motion, and in the backfield. Like, jeeez, the Vikings can take a look at how Seattle operates, and they have Peterson and Patterson as their Lynch and Harvin. Vikings too have a nice option at TE. And they dont need their QB to play like our QB.

Get your team fixed MM, because the Vikings couild do the same to you, as the Seahawks just did.

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zoellner25's picture

September 05, 2014 at 07:58 am

The good: the weather
The bad: all of it
Ugly: my prediction we'd actually win a close game

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Patrick Sherwood's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:10 am

Ha Ha just needs to learn to hit RB's in the waist not the ankles...diving leg tackles drive me nuts

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Patrick Sherwood's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:13 am

Also replacing Brad Jones with Lattimore is not a bad idea...and is there any way we can get that Elliot kid on the field???

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idgafkurt's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:15 am

Echo the sentiment here on Dix. While he missed a couple open field tackles, he was at least around the ball, attacking down field on run, and making plays in the deep half.

Bad - Capers running a 2-5 vs a power run team? I'm okay with that formation vs other opponents, but not Lynch and Seattle. Pennel not even dressing? What made Capers/MM decide to go small up front? At least put some size out there in a more traditional 3-4 on early downs. Coaching, on offense as well (what was with the throws in the flat vs that D), didn't put their players in position to succeed and the results showed.

Bad - Collingsworth announcing, that guy is brutal. Was he wearing a 12th Man jersey under that suit?

Bring on the Jets...

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:20 am

Whose dumb ass idea was it to keep Jordy away from Sherman all damn game!? Our passing game looked like sh*t (even before Bulaga went down)! That allowed the Seahawks to just focus on one side of the field. Roll coverage.

Is it me or do we only run 3-4 different routes? You can't beat that defense over the top because their corners and 1 safety doesn't allow the WR to get behind them unless a QB breaks the pocket. And when there were completions/seperation - what was it? Slant,hitch or comeback route. This is sickening.

Why did we continue to attempt to run the ball with 1 or 2 WRs on the field?? That's not in our favor going up against a team like the Seahawks. Spread them m/f's out and allow Lacy/Starks to beat that 1-2 free LB vs 3-4 players in Seattle's base def.

To be honest,I stopped watching midway through the 3rd. Somebody - anybody -- make me understand why can't we tackle effectively? It seem like everyone on defense gets rolled over or rolled through. I know Mike Daniels didn't have a good game,but sh*t,can you really blame him playing along the rest of that trash ass D-Line!? Guion doesn't belong at Nose. D.Jones doesn't belong in base.

I'm at work...I'll finish my vent later on

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Evan's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:32 am

I think it was my dumb ass idea...

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:41 am

Ha! But you're not on the coaching staff so I won't aim my frustrations towards you.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 05, 2014 at 06:12 pm

Most commendable. And funny. Perhaps if you had a view of the whole field and could see that Seattle had rolled their coverage to the other side, you might have suggested making (GASP!) an in-game adjustment. In any event I will keep reading your posts despite this admission.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 05, 2014 at 08:55 am

Good: James Starks, CM3, Linsley
Bad: Sherrod, the DL, the ILBs
Ugly: Bulaga's knee

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Gianich's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:10 am

Good: Clay, James Starks, Cornerbacks

Bad: Both Lines as a whole. MLBs. Keeping your most active Lineman on Def over the last 2 months (Pennel) inactive while the other DLs sucked.

Ugly: Debut of Shawn Slocum's annual trainwreck unit! Missed Tackles! McCarthy coaching scared!

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Gianich's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:12 am

Siriously. Shawn Slocum has no injury excuses to fall back on with all you apologists being thatits week one!! How long is this guy going to have a job while continuing to field ST units ranked in the bottom 3rd of the NFL??? 2014 Debut: 1. KR to the 12yard line. 2. Called punt block at mid field leading to running into kicker. 3. 12 men on the field causing the use of a timeout (If Peppers doesnt have the common sense to burn the TO its 1st and goal Seahawks). 4. Another return to the 12 yrd line. 5. 29 yard punt. And so it begins! Glad Zook was hired the clean this up Gimmie a break!! Instead of giving Slocum an assistant how about Tinkering Ted give him the boot!!

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Pacmac's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:18 am

Quick no huddle comments

Linsley was great for a starting rookie against a great defense.
Please someone find a tackle to help offense. Aaron can't be running all season.

Defense - not much change still a very young group

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HankScorpio's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:25 am

"Shawn Slocum has no injury excuses to fall back on with all you apologists being thatits week one!! "

Just who are you directing this at? Is there a Shawn Slocum apologist out there? I've not seen one. Well, besides Mike McCarthy, who probably isn't reading this.

I do see heaps and heaps of people that wonder why he still has a job--just like you. It took me a while to get on board with that. I might have been the last one off the bandwagon. But I hopped off 2 years ago.

BTW--Thompson has said he doesn't mettle with the make up of the coaching staff. That's the correct approach. Thompson hires McCarthy to do a job--part of which is assembling a coaching staff he must oversee on a day to day basis. So if would be McCarthy that gives Slocum the boot, not Thompson.

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Gianich's picture

September 07, 2014 at 04:26 pm

Mashed Potato Mike needs to give him the boot then! I can't figure out why Slocum is still in GB...

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barutanseijin's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:29 am

#12 was bad. A better game from him would have made a difference. #42 was invisible, as usual. #21 missed a couple tackles, but got in the plays. I think a bad is a bit harsh for Dix. After all, who on this defense didn't miss a a few tackles last night?

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Imma Fubared's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:30 am

The bad, all the bad goes to MM. Not a poorly coached game but a poor strategy. His, if we score more points we don't have to worry about our defense? Hey. How about coaching these guys on how to tackle. He just spent three months with these guys. Maybe the walkthroughs aren't working.
When a coach is begging for Pickett and Jolly so he doesn't have to coach new guys, that shows a sign of laziness that I saw throughout the team.
1. Fire Dom Capers immediately and save the season. His gimmicks are just a confused mess and his packages are great if your a rocket scientist. Obviously no one understands any of the packages.
2. Start drafting O linemen that are taller than 6'3 and 240 pounds. They may be able to block the pass rush.
Last night was a cluster to be sure and the future doesn't look good. Talk about a QB looking average, Rogers looked average at best. He way to worried about getting hit and way to worried about interceptions looking for the long pass. Not working folks.
Mathews and shields were the defense.
Brad Jones held as did many d linemen because they were getting beat off the line badly. Wow did we need to keep this guy.
Datone looks like a fat slob and Perry looks lost.

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Will Tippet's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:33 am

Got to Add AJ somewhere below the Good line. I guess Bad would be appropriate. Great at tackling after the seven yard gain.

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Big Moe's picture

September 06, 2014 at 01:56 pm

Yeah he's made a career from that.

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Point-Packer's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:47 am

Last year Burnett and The doctor were the worst starting safety duo in the NFL. This year, Jones and Hawk are the worst starting middle linebackers in football. Our defense is going to be a disaster this year. Zero upgrades. Nice work, TT.

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HankScorpio's picture

September 05, 2014 at 10:22 am

The Packers defense is weak in the middle, both vertically and horizontally. By that, I mean they have no NT, their LBs are suspect, especially inside, and their Safeties are (charitably) a work in progress. Opinions vary on how much Raji's injury affected that but I wasn't expecting much from him anyways.

OTOH, they have plenty of talent outside. They have 4 decent edge rushers in Peppers, Matthews, Neal and Perry. The CB group is deep and talented.

That's a talent recipe to run a 4-3. And plenty of talent to be successful doing it. But their DC runs a scheme that emphasizes their areas of weakness and de-emphasizes their areas of strength. It's been that way for 3 years now. It's gotten to the point where I believe either Thompson or Capers must go. Which one to can is an easy call for me.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 05, 2014 at 09:48 am

I thought the pass rush looked improved, and on many weeks, when the offense is clicking, we're going to want that. Wilson had to generally get rid of it quickly or else he was under pressure.

The run D on the other hand...

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thebeast431's picture

September 05, 2014 at 10:21 am

Bad: Tim Mastahay

His first 3 punts were awful.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 05, 2014 at 06:19 pm

You are right. Mastay had a 57 yard punt with no return in garbage time, which will help his stats. But make no mistake: he was bad when it mattered.

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AndrewInAtlanta's picture

September 05, 2014 at 10:45 am

This version of the Packers simply can not play from behind. The offense must get up early, by 2 scores, and take pressure off the defense. That didn't happen last night.

I think it could have though if the defense made just a couple plays...early in the game we had a dropped Brad Jones interception and a Seahawks conversion after 1st and 20 DEEP in their own territory. I believe that conversion led to the first long TD drive for Seahawks. What might have been

This is a gimmick defense that will not change in the near future. Only a new defensive approach and several seasons of high draft picks (like SF and Seattle had) will realistically change it. Ted is just not going to go buy a bunch of free agents. And even if he wanted to we could not pay them and resign our core players. It's going to be "score a lot of points and hang on defensively...again"

I love the Packers but I fear a number of frustrating weeks upcoming this year :-(

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HankScorpio's picture

September 05, 2014 at 10:57 am

"Only a new defensive approach and several seasons of high draft picks (like SF and Seattle had) will realistically change it."

I agree with nearly everything you wrote but quibble on the above point.

Use the existing talent differently and emphasize better tackling. You'll see a dramatic improvement on defense with no personnel changes, IMO.

For inside rushers they have Daniels and Jones. Outside rushers include Peppers, Matthews, Neal and Perry. Their CBs are deep and talented. That's more talent than many statistically better defenses have.

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AndrewInAtlanta's picture

September 05, 2014 at 12:08 pm

But don't we say the same thing every year? We're not a smash mouth, good tackling defense, despite what Mr. Daniels "figuratively" says. It's a group that is supposed to fit what Dom is trying to do. I just don't see a top 20% defense no matter how you use them. Would love to be wrong BTW

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HankScorpio's picture

September 05, 2014 at 12:22 pm

Yes, we do say the same thing every year about poor tackling and "soft" play. It's maddening that neither of those things ever seem to change, except in small little bits and pieces. Both of those things were a major point of emphasis heading into 2013 season. And for 6 or 8 game, the defense did look more aggressive and tackled better. About the time Rodgers got hurt, it all went to crap.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 05, 2014 at 10:53 am

I want players on the field who can hit and stop a runner's progress. I'm tired of seeing (attempted) arm tackles up high or at the waist.

I don't think Burnett will finish the season a starter,Guion damn sure won't finish the season a starter, Datone Jones won't finish the season as a starter and neither will Brad Jones.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 05, 2014 at 06:23 pm

I suggest that the jury is still out on Guion. In fairness, he only had 9 preseason snaps and a week of actual practice. He was supposed to be the back-up to Raji and also Boyd. BTW, Boyd was pretty darn disappointing too.

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KenEllis's picture

September 05, 2014 at 11:07 pm

Nope the jury's verdict came in on Guion after the 2013 season and he was so pathetic that the worst D in the league (the Queens) cut him.

Only problem for Packer fans is that because TT has shut down the pro personnel department in Green Bay, news of Guion's ineptitude did not reach the Pack. Coupled with TT's many recent draft failures along the Dline and we have this year's version of the Jeff Saturday signing -- a talentless retread desparately being counted on to produce.

Incredibly, in Guion's case, the Pack is asking on him to play a position (NT) he has never before played. What could go wrong? I think we saw the answer to that last night.

Check out the Vikes chat boards where they are getting a good laugh about TT's "savvy" free agent signing.

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Packatron's picture

September 05, 2014 at 12:15 pm

Clinton-Dix may be "bad" now, but that's "rookie bad". He'll be our best Safety before long.

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@ballark's picture

September 05, 2014 at 01:13 pm

Create a 4th category, "AWFUL", and put Mike Daniels roughing the punter in that one.

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HankScorpio's picture

September 05, 2014 at 01:16 pm

Yeah, that really set a tone for a sloppy, shoot your own foot effort.

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pooch's picture

September 05, 2014 at 06:13 pm

Lets shake this D up.Put Matthews in the middle,and rotate Barrington with Hawk.Pennel in the middle,Richardson,Dix safties.OL Neal/Perry one side Peppers/Elliot otherside.What does this soft defense(middle)have to lose? Matthews blitz from inside,coverage,maybe he could tackle someone at los or a yard behind...he did a few snaps inside last night

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JimTaylor31's picture

September 06, 2014 at 06:52 am

I like your ideas. I mean let's face it. Burnett, Hawk and B. Jones have proven to be nothing but journyman type players who are consistently pencilled in to start on this defense. I few years back we had D. J. Smith taking snaps away from Hawk for crap sakes. I can't believe that Barrington and Lattimore can't at least start getting more snaps and Dix start moving Burnett off the field. If we start journyman players we will get comparable results.

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4thand1's picture

September 05, 2014 at 10:58 pm

I just had to read the comments. Hope nobody hung themselves. Its the 1st game against the best team in the NFL, in the toughest place to play. Look what they did to SF during the last 2 reg season games. Was SF a bad team? NO. I saw a lot of sloppy play from a young team. It is a great wake up call IMO.

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Big Moe's picture

September 06, 2014 at 02:19 pm

I have never seen a Packer team play scared and timid like I saw Thur night, to throw zero passes at Sherman's side, he's good not GOD for pete's sake, WTF MM your game plan was to play in FEAR WTF, and as others have said B. Jones AJ Hawk and M. Burnett should all be riding pine, Jones is ST at best, Hawk has made a living at the seven yard gain sure tackle, and Burnett has been awful since Nick Collins got hurt, and from what I saw of the D-line I'd get Jolly or Picket off the couch quick.

Thank goodness we get the Jest next not sure if my heart can handle another flop like that.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

September 06, 2014 at 03:26 pm

I'm glad someone is watching the same game I am. LVT

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