From Ed Werder of ESPN:
Re: @DeseanJackson10: We know Skins interested; expect Panthers, Raiders and Jets involvement. Have been told Saints, Packers, Pats are out
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) March 31, 2014
Re: @DeseanJackson10: We know Skins interested; expect Panthers, Raiders and Jets involvement. Have been told Saints, Packers, Pats are out
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) March 31, 2014
On the surface this looks like: poor teams interested, solid teams uninterested.
Packers are out? Were they ever in? I could have told him that.
He'll likely end up in Oakland. Him and James Jones - not a terrible WR tandem.
Yeah, I would agree with that. I am guessing Oakland too...
The Packers were in for a while I am guessing. I touched base on Jackson two days ago. We had a smashing discussion on the what ifs of him coming here until motor mouth decided to enter the room then it all fell apart.
I don't think the Packers were ever in. He's not the kind of guy TT would ever sign in a million years. He'd be complaining about his contract publicly week 3.
If Reggie Mckenzie learned anything from TT, he won't be signing him either no matter how much the raiders fans want him to.
The Eagles couldn't even trade Jackson for a conditional 7th round pick. Eagles got nothing for him. That pretty much says it all. And he wasn't happy with his current contract with Eagles. DeSean Jackson doesn't get it.
DeSean Jackson is telling you straight to your face that he's nothing but trouble. Only a fool would sign him or a desperate team that doesn't value team chemistry like the Redskins and Daniel Snyder.
To my knowledge, he only has one scheduled visit, and it's not the Raiders.
You have to applaud chip Kelley and the eagles for cutting him.
I think he's just a misunderstood young angry black man. A lot like Stroh is but he's a old crusty angry white southern racist from Nashville.
All I am going by is that respectful hug he gave to Aaron Rodgers after the playoff game. That's all I need to see from him that I think he would have been a great fit in Green Bay. He respects Rodgers..
Yeah, I would have liked him but I am sure TT passed more because of money than his attitude. But attitude definitely can hurt you getting employed. Look at Stroh. He's a "former trainer" not because he retired, he's out of work because nobody likes him and was fired for pissing off the entire staff and team he worked for in a record two days . It's as simple as that so he spends his days now typing away at home pissing off people while his wife is at work and his kids are at day care for their own well being. I hope Desean can learn from someone like Stroh and use this to turn around his career.
OK, I'm going to say what I suspect a lot of people around here are thinking.
Dude, WTF is your problem? There isn't an article here on CHTV anymore that you don't comment on with almost nothing but rants against Stroh. These comments aren't provoked by things that Stroh has posted, they always come before he's even commented. Nobody here will deny that Stroh's attitude toward those he disagrees with is often short on tact and politeness, but his comments (unlike yours) are always informative and thought-provoking.
All this kind of crap you post does is contribute to the steady sewerization of the CHTV comment section. Seriously, this personal vendetta of yours against Stroh is making YOU look like the one who is imbalanced and obsessed. It's not a good look for you. So just stop.
If you have real, worthwhile information or opinions to contribute here, then please do. That's what makes this board worth reading. If you don't, then go post on JSOnline, or just do the world a favor and STFU.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT STROH. END OF STORY.
THERE IT IS!!! LMFAO
I was waiting, knowing full well that soon enough someone would say exactly what you just did. I admit I'm not perfect, but his obsession went way overboard very quickly and I figured he would bury himself w/ it. He seemed to just show up out of nowhere and take up the campaign. Maybe he got sick of being unheard or something IDK... Or care.
Anyway thanks for posting what I knew everyone would see pretty quickly. Made my day Brad! Thanx
I agree 100% with Brad, Stroh, but you really need to just ignore him and he'll go away.
Thanks Evan... Some unprovoked comments I just can't, but I'm doing my best.
Soon enough? You were "waiting"? lol People have been fighting with you for over a month. What I find funny is it took three to four weeks for you to convince your dad to even write that jibberish. It says more about you than anyone else. People let it go because they actually do hate you for the most part. Oh, but you talk football ... right I forgot about that.
Hey Brad aka "dad", nice job!! You made your son's day on April Fools. lol
Nice try, Birney. I'm not Stroh's dad, I'm just one of the no-longer-silent majority who is sick of your bullshit polluting this board. You're a cancer, just like DeSean Jackson (oh, look -- a football tie-in!), but without the talent. No one here wants to hear this drama from you anymore.
Speak for yourself Stroh's dad!! You had your say now beat it. If you don't want to hear your son constantly fight and embarrass you than I suggest you have a talk with him and tell your son to leave. I talk very respectful to everyone here not named what you named your son. You see, I didn't even say his name Stroh's dad.
DeSean Jackson was never a good fit in GB. Aside from the obvious locker room/character issues, he's very similar to Randall Cobb in terms of talent and on field play. I don't think a team can use 2 short WRs in the NFL these days. One is fine. But not two.
Honestly, I think they would be fine to add a 2nd WR that is that similar type to Cobb.
But they can find one like that in the draft.
I honestly would prefer a guy like Dri Archer. He is more of a RB, but he is versatile that he could be used more like a WR. He could be used as a special role type of player on offense similar to how Cobb has been used in the past (WR/RB).
But where he would contribute the most is as a Return Specialist. They could definitely use a guy like that.
I see that Chris Clemons was signed by the Texans. So he is off the table for the Packers.
However the Texans released Danieal Manning. He will be 32. I wonder if the Packers would be interested especially since he is a released player and it wouldn't factor into the compensation picks next year.
He might not be a bad fill in starter for a year or part of a year until a younger player was ready to takeover.
Daneal manning was a second round pick for the bears in 2006 and was the starter his rookie season (he started 14 games). Bears won NFC north in 2006 13-3.....and played in SB.
I'm not following your concern about a rookie starting at safety for packers?
I don't have a concern with a rookie starting. That is if its a 1st or 2nd round Safety. I would have some concerns if we're counting on a 3rd-4th round to start right away.
I would rather have that veteran in there to start and if the rookie started developing and proving he can play then allow him to start.
A possible rookie Safety, whether a 1st rounder or UDFA, will have to beat out Micah Hyde. If he does, he'll be fine. If he doesn't, Hyde will be fine.
That the Packers sat on their hands in FA at the Safety position is the clearest possible signal they are confident in Hyde. This after both of their developmental guys from last offseason, McMillian and Jennings, were shown the door. The Safety market was not exactly slow but there were signings at reasonable prices. Clearly the Packers did not think paying for a guy would have been a sure upgrade that merited the price difference over Hyde, who they know better than any FA.
He's already had a year of grooming as the slot DB, which is not terribly different than playing Safety. They know his practice habits, his character, his understanding of the defense and his talent. Hyde is less of an unknown than a FA or a draftee. McCarthy & Joe Whitt both stopped just short of making a huge flashing neon sign announcing he would be the starter there earlier this offseason.
That's not to say I think they ought to pass on a vet that is available for one year at a very cheap price. A guy like Manning at, say, $1-$1.2 mil would be a nice depth signing and could play some dime, if they could get him at that price.
But I'm convinced that the Packers are convinced that Hyde can team with Burnett to form an effective duo.
I agree with you and disagree with you.
I don't think its set in stone that Hyde will be the starting S. I think he is an option to be the starting safety and at least a safety in certain packages.
McCarthy's comments of Hyde deserving to be a starter and playing more would suggest he will be the starting S.
The reason why I'm not saying he will be the starter yet is because the draft hasn't come yet. If they draft a Safety in the 1st round, there is a pretty good chance he will be the starting safety.
I do think Hyde would make for a pretty good safety because he has good ball skills, is a good tackler and his speed I think would be for a better safety. Also with his ability to cover they would be able to run more base defense.
I do like him as an option there, I just don't want to say he is the starter yet.
No interest at all in D. Jackson. Not a good fit for either him or the Packers.
As far as the comments regarding Hyde and a veteran safety: I totally support bringing in a veteran FA safety even if it is a backup role to Hyde. We do need depth at the position and I think a vet would be of more value in the immediate future (i.e. 2014) than another rookie. That is a difficult position for a rookie to learn and be effective. As good as Collins was it took him 3-4 years to get the experience needed to be truly effective.
"That is a difficult position for a rookie to learn and be effective. As good as Collins was it took him 3-4 years to get the experience needed to be truly effective"
Doesn't that tend to mitigate the value of a veteran, too? Unless the guy is coming from Pittsburgh (Ryan Clark signed with Washington today), he's going to have to learn that same difficult defense. Certainly NFL experience would shrink the 3-4 year window that it took Collins. But cutting it in half still means they guy is lost for 2014.
Not necessarily. Part of the reason a FA pickup would help so much in the secondary is scheme recognition of what the Offense is going to run. That's 1/2 the problem w/ adding a rookie. Not only knowing the full playbook inside and out, but also recognizing the offensive scheme and matching the Defensive one to best combat it.
A veteran Safety would help immediately, much quicker than a rookie would. Knowing the offensive alignment and what/who the primary recievers are makes the defense much more effective. A rookie doesn't have that at all. A vet should have that down cold.
"That's 1/2 the problem w/ adding a rookie. "
Which is why I suggested a vet would cut the learning curve in half. But we're still into 2015 before the learning curve is over if Collins' 3-4 years is an indicator. I think best case is the vet they didn't want would have gotten things down in mid to late 2014.
You're right that recognition is half the battle. The other half is applying that recognition to how the defense is supposed to re-act. Any hesitation will kill 'ya in the NFL. The only way to get rid of that hesitation is through repetition. Given what we've all read about the complexity of Capers scheme, I think it is fair to question whether a TC, or even 1/2 a season, is enough to make everything into reaction level quickness in thinking for any new guy coming in--whether he's seen NFL offenses or not. It can't be an over-riding factor for a rookie and a non-factor for a vet. That just doesn't jibe.
But it's all a moot point. The Packers have made their intentions perfectly clear for whatever reason--whether is it purely a talent v cost consideration or the complexity of the coverages also plays into the choice. Either way, the FA Safety market has been picked clean by now. Micah Hyde will be the starter at Safety come opening day 2014--barring injury, of course.
Yep. I'm not real comfortable with Hyde (new position), Burnett (hope 2013 was just a bad year) being backed up by a rookie, Richardson and Banjo. Like it or not this is the hand we are probably dealt and will probably have to play it. I mean Hyde has to be better than Jennings so I see some hope for improvement. Problem is the depth or lack thereof. A veteran for experienced depth would be nice security.
I don't see it that way. I think a vet would be able to get acclimated and be productive and help Burnett make calls very quickly. I know the scheme is complex, believe me I know, but a vet should be able to learn the playbook faster and assimilate it more to be productive in the 1st year. I just don't see a vet having major issues w/ it. Collins took till year 4 to become a playmaker, but his 1st year w/ Capers D he didn't seem to have trouble making the calls in the secondary.
A rookie having to learn a much more complex playbook AND the NFL game and the offensive schemes just compounds upon itself.
Honestly after Byrd and Ward went the rest of the Safeties didn't interest me much. However I do think they would have contributed sooner and not taken a year to learn.
I'll probably get flack on this, but I don't buy completely into this passing on DeSean Jackson . He is or was a Hell of a Football player. Sometimes nice guy's finish last. That's why we've got AJ Hawk instead of Nick Barnett. We lost on that deal. You don't know how a guy is going to act. He's well worth taking a chance on, if all it would take is a 7th round pick. I'm sure you'll all disagree.
Remember Andre Rison. He had the same reputation, until he came to GB. He was Great in the Locker Room, & a completely changed person. He also helped us win a SB.
If the guy is a head case, cut your losses & cut him. I'd be will to give a player of his caliber, a chance. I'm sure there's a few guy's on GB that could handle him, if it came to that. JMO
Yes LVT, but at 8 or 9 mil for a season? TT says no f-ing way. Some dumbass GM will over pay.
The Packers were desperate when they signed Rison. Packers aren't desperate now. Rison didn't even want to go to GB when they first approached him.
I take it you don't believe in locker room chemistry and locker room cancers. Like Moss, T.O., Javon Walker. Rison wasn't there long enough to be a cancer in the Packers lockeroom, but he was a cancer wherever he went.
Jordan, Who said I didn't believe in Locker Room Chemistry?? We never had Moss or T.O. Javon Walker was never a Locker Room cancer that I can remember. He wasn't there period. Rison was a Good Packer, & he never gave them any reason to get rid of him. I thought he did well at GB, no incidents like what preceded him. Rison may have had problems, but he didn't have any at GB. As far as I know, T.O. had a problem with McNab. He stated BF would have played through some of McNabs injuries. I don't think T.O. would have been a problem here either. He wanted to play here with BF. The one you had right was Moss. Never liked him. You obviously took my comments wrong. & I don't think Nick Barnett was a locker room cancer, just a much better linebacker than AJ Hawk.
Rison only played in 5 regular season games and 3 playoff games with the packers. Wolf promptly cut him after the Super Bowl before he turned in to a problem. And he would have, IMO.
Javon walker was a distraction and a cancer. No different than DeSean Jackson.
Nick Barnett was way over rated. He was great at tackling a running back after an 8 yard gain. The packers defense immediately got better when he was injured in 2010 and didn't play. The packers wanted that cancer off the team, especially after the stink he raised about the team photo and caused a distraction. Barnett was a good blitzer though. Barnett contaminated Finley with his cancer. Barnett could have done his rehab work in GB and supported the team and been a leader, but he left....and only showed his face to complain about the team photo.
I'm not taking your comments wrong.....I just disagree with them. ;)
We just have a different recollection and perception of things. No biggie.
Jordan, I guess we disagree on Nick as a Middle Linebacker. That sounds more like AJ Hawk if you ask me. I forgot about the other stuff. I just don't buy into this thing about 1 guy being able to change the confidence of the team. I just don't think 1 guy in a locker room can bring a team down. If that's possible, I'd be looking at the other 52. Unless you're talking about a Team Leader, like Arod or Cm3, I don't think 1 guy can bring a Good Team down. But, 1 guy can sure make a difference as far as winning. I agree No Big Deal
LVT, I have to disagree with you on the "one man can't bring a team down". One man can definitely do a lot of damage whether it's on a sports team, in a classroom, in your neighborhood on even say on this board (See Stroh).
Brett Favre was the greatest example of all of how one man could not only bring a team down but the entire organization, it's fan base and even an entire country. Brett Favre in 2008 sadly held the entire country hostage in July and August with his will he or won't he play and his angry lashings towards TT. Yes, it's quite possible. He started a bitter civil war in WI and believe it or not, there's still some small pockets of people in small backwood rural communities in WI that proudly carry the no. 4 flag over the no. 12 flag.
Tom B., If you would read my post again, I said "unless it's someone like Arod or CM3". That would include someone of Brett Favre's stature. When I wrote the post, I was referring to DeShon Jackson. I don't think someone like him could do it. I used Andre Rison as an example. He had a bad Reputation at other teams, but he was a Good Packer, regardless of what anyone else has to say. He was No problem in the locker room, & didn't deserve to be cut buy Wolf. He was a changed person here. I didn't realize the price on DeShon Jackson was so high, or I wouldn't have bothered.
Yeah, I did read your post and knew what you meant but I couldn't help using Favre. It was the only way to make my north vs. south civil war scenario work plus throw Stroh in along for the ride. lol
As for Deshean, who knows what the truth is on him. I read mixed reports of his gang affiliations but chances are if there's even a remote chance of him being trouble, Green Bay typically stays away from that type of player unless desperate.
I think Deshean would be the perfect deep threat. They don't have that at the moment again unless they like Myles White because he's basically the same size and speed of a receiver as Jackson.
As for Wolf cutting Rison, there really wasn't much talk about that. The Packers won their first super bowl in almost 30 years so whatever Wolf did after that he had a free pass and deservedly so. I also give TT a free lifetime pass for winning his. I will support TT hell or high water on the same level as Clombozo supports big O.
Hey LVT, not to switch subject but I read a sad story on NFL hall of fame qb Jim Kelly who is going thru hell with cancer. Man I almost had tears in my eyes. It was an article by Peter King. Just horrible. I loved watching him in the early 80's for the USFL Houston Gamblers. They had one hell of a offense back then. Then he goes to Buffalo and was just a blue collar hard nosed qb who made it to four super bowls but unfortunately didn't win any of them.. Just terrible what he went thru with his son dying and now he's going thru a major battle of his own. This guy just seems snake bitten. Here's the article. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/03/31/jim-kelly-cancer-monday-morning-quarterback/
Jordan, I guess my memory must be going. That's what happens when you get old. I could swear it was Finley who made the Stink about the team photo. Are you sure it was Barnett?
"I'm not taking your comments wrong.....I just disagree with them. ;)
We just have a different recollection and perception of things."
My recollection and perception is pretty much in sync with yours on these things.
Rison was not productive enough in GB to warrant the risk that he'd blow up again, like he did on Atlanta, Jax and Cleveland. Really, he was only productive in the NFL when playing in the Atlanta Chuck and Duck offense of the early-mid 90s
HankScorpio, I respect your opinion. I paid close attention to Andre Rison when he came to Gb. He was glad to be in that locker room. He was glad to be part of the team. & I would say he was a perfect fit & deserved a chance to stay. He proved at least to me, that he did what any team would have expected of him, both in the locker room & on the field. I was considered a trouble maker by a lot of people who didn't know me, when I was young. I know what it feels like to have people think the worst of you, no matter how you try. It's just my opinion. I think Rison got the shaft in GB.
4thand1, I agree 100%. I didn't think the price was that high. My lack of information.
Tom you Suck.
Agree. We can't have people admitting that they are wrong on this site. It would make up about 49% of the posts.
April Fools , Tom.
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