Packers Will Win With Youth

Reports emerged yesterday that the Green Bay Packers are likely to move on from long-time stalwart fullback John Kuhn and the reactions came pouring in from around Packers nation.  The Packers have had their share of folk heroes over their long and storied history and Kuhn certainly fits that bill.  In his nine seasons with the Packers, Kuhn scored 15 touchdowns and is credited with nearly 100 first downs, with each of them followed by the classic "Kuuuuuuuuuhn!" chant.  It appears that we have heard that for the last time with Kuhn as an active member of the Packers roster.

Kuhn joins other notable veterans that the Packers have moved on from recently, many of whom helped the team win its latest Super Bowl in 2010.  James Jones, Donald Driver, Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett and Tramon Williams come to mind.  Jones may find a team to latch onto this season and is still active as is Williams with the Cleveland Browns.  Woodson just retired and spent his final three seasons in Oakland after the Packers chose to go in another direction.  Green Bay has been known for being one of the younger teams in the league for most of general manager Ted Thompson and head coach Mike McCarthy's tenure.  Let a player go a year too soon before letting him stick around a year too long, is the mantra.

Despite having less experience than the bulk of teams out there, the Packers continue to churn out winning records and maintain success.  Some will argue that success is only signified by Super Bowl trophies in the case and while that isn't technically invalid, it's hard to say that the Packers have sorely held themselves back by stocking up on younger players.  I have said many times that no team has ever won a championship who didn't first qualify for the postseason.  There have been many discussion about how much better a team's odds are of winning playoff games when they have more experienced players on the roster.  I'm sure there are stats to back that up as well.  Last year's champions, the Denver Broncos, had important contributions from veterans such as Peyton Manning, DeMarcus Ware and Aqib Talib.  Manning has retired and the Broncos will now look to groom his replacement.  Good thing they won one before Manning retired after they opted to bring him in three years ago instead of bringing in a quarterback of the future.  The Broncos now find themselves with uncertainty at the most important position in the game and their fans may quickly see how things can turn in the NFL.

Some will say it's worth it to go "all in" for one year and win it all, even if it changes the complexion of the team the following year.  Fans especially seem to often be in "win now" mode and want to see their team bring in the best and most experienced guys to bolster their roster.  Others clamor for "one more year" for their beloved veterans and want to see them go out on their terms, riding off into the sunset.  By now, we understand that the Packers are sentimental only to a point.  They have long deferred to youth to build and maintain their roster and that's not changing anytime soon.  It helps that they have had major stability at the quarterback position for so long, which has surely been able to cover up some of the shortcomings that come along with having a lot of inexperience on the field.  Sometimes that inexperience is what undoes a team.  Take last year's overtime loss to the Arizona Cardinals when rookie cornerback Damarious Randall lost track of Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald on a crossing route.  75 yards and one play later, the Packers' season was over.  The year prior, safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix horribly played a two-point conversion attempt against the Seattle Seahawks, allowing them to tie a game they should have never had a chance in in the first place.  So why do the Packers continue to defer to players who still have growing and developing to do?

First of all, the NFL is a young man's sport.  More than in most other sports, reaching the age of 30 usually signals the beginning of the end of most careers, especially on the financial side.  We're starting to see a trend of players leaving the game early to save their bodies and health as well.  Teams may soon find that Green Bay's model is the most viable way to operate and maintain continuity with any type of longevity.  Another reason is that younger players generally carry smaller salaries.  With the rookie pay scale, teams aren't having to invest as much in their draft classes and have quite a bit more control over a player's first four seasons.  This is one of the reasons the Seahawks were able to keep such a potent roster together.  Quarterback Russell Wilson played at a near-elite level on a third-round draft pick salary for his first three seasons.  When most teams were paying north of $20 million per season for their passer, the Seahawks were getting the deal of a lifetime.  And lastly, as I mentioned before, the Packers keep winning.  If it's working, why not stick with it?  Bovada agrees that what Green Bay is doing is working.  They have given the Packers the third-best odds to win Super Bowl XLI.  Only the New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks have better odds.  This with the Packers fielding the ninth-youngest team in the league at 26.84.  The Los Angeles Rams are the youngest team at 26.05 years old, on average.

Holding over from the 2010 Super Bowl team are Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, James Starks, Clay Matthews, Sam Shields, Morgan Burnett, Mason Crosby and Tim Masthay.  Those players will comprise 20.7% of this year's roster.  If the Packers do win it all in 2016, they'll do it with a much different team than the one that did so just six seasons ago.  Many of the early power rankings and projections have the Packers in the mix to make a deep playoff run despite so many players with very few years in the league.  Fairly and perhaps most of that has to do with the longest-tenured Packer of them all: Rodgers and his still playing at a high level.  But we also can't totally discount the effort needed from the other guys on the field and the Packers are counting on their latest youth movement to achieve their goal of winning another Lombardi trophy.

 

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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NickPerry's picture

May 13, 2016 at 05:39 am

Well they best know for a fact Ripper is ready to make that key block so Rodgers isn't hammered like Kuhn has done SO MANY times. Do the Packers even make the playoffs in 2013 without Kuhns block on Peppers week 17? I don't think so. Last year in the playoffs the Packers went to Kuhn 2 times I can remember on 3rd and one and once on 4th and one and converted after a season where they couldn't covert a 3rd and one if their lives depended on it. Kuhn knows the offense as well as Rodgers does, saw EXACTLY what Rodgers saw, and was always where he needed to be. It's simple to say (And many will) the Coaching Staff knows what it's doing, they feel Ripper is ready. Well that may be true, but they've been wrong several times before. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if TT signs him closer to the regular season, at least if someone else hasn't or TT ego get's in the way.
Thank you John KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN, you're one of the Packers greats!!

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EdsLaces's picture

May 13, 2016 at 06:13 am

That block on Pep was a thing of beauty.

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TKWorldWide's picture

May 13, 2016 at 06:22 am

TT sure isn't perfect, but I really do not think his mistakes are due to the size of his ego.

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NickPerry's picture

May 13, 2016 at 07:36 am

LOL...Maybe but I think it's debatable.

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dobber's picture

May 13, 2016 at 08:23 am

You have to have an ego to be in that role. You have to believe in your core that you want to be the one making the decisions and that you know better than others how to do your job. Does it mean you don't listen to others? No, I hope it doesn't. But I would argue that I wouldn't want a GM who doesn't have at least some ego.

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TKWorldWide's picture

May 13, 2016 at 05:03 pm

I think TT has very strong convictions.
To me, a guy like Jerry Jones is an "ego" guy.

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dobber's picture

May 14, 2016 at 08:51 am

Jones has an ego that we see...it needs to be stroked in public. He's like your friend's dog who won't stop humping your leg. We have no idea how TT is behind closed doors...or how many legs he's humped.

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NickPerry's picture

May 14, 2016 at 05:54 am

My comment was meant more as a joke than anything and you're right, your teams GM BETTER have an ego of some sort. But I also believe Thompsons ego can get the best of him at time. I mean some of his ideas have truly hurt the Packers. The Safety Position a few years back in 2012 and 2013, refusing to get Marshawn Lynch or any RB for that matter until 2013, the TE position for how many years? Christ it took a chance for the SB to get him to finally say Bostick was a JOKE yet he spent 3 years shoving him down our throats. In 2011 we win back to back had TT traded for Lynch, no doubt about it.

I'm sorry but I don't believe in the whole "In Ted We Trust, I believe he leaves to many doors closed with the way he operates. Him and Russ Ball are the best "Cap Managers" in the NFL and I've always believed that. But I also believe TT hangs onto players much to long because of where he drafted them. To cut would be admiting a mistake and lets face it, we both could names several players from the TT era that stayed 1, 2, or even 3 years to long. THAT'S ego. By ignoring Free Agency the way he does he's telling us all his Draft Picks are a better fit with the Packers than Player A, B, or C available as a FA.

TK...You're absolutely right, Jerry Jones has a huge ego, but Jerry jones is a Football Fan who has more money than God, he's not a GM. He's proved that every year since Jimmy Johnson left. The year Switzer won a SB you or I could have coached THAT team to a SB win.

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dobber's picture

May 14, 2016 at 08:53 am

Jones spent many years trying to prove that he was a better talent evaluator than Jimmy. Seemed to be almost obsessive for him. It led to him crushing what had previously been built.

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Hematite's picture

May 13, 2016 at 06:00 am

It's inevitable but I hate to see it.
Kuhn has been so dependable and assignment sure over the years, he is like a security blanket, always there when you need him.
Although not drafted and developed by the Packers he has been one of the Packers best and a true fan favorite.
Good luck John, you will be missed.

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Rossonero's picture

May 13, 2016 at 06:51 am

I'll miss Kuhn, but it's time. He'll be 34 in September. Also keep in mind this move will free up a roster spot for possibly a 7th WR or another back up offensive lineman. Carrying 2 fullbacks is rare in this day and age.

With Trevor Davis, the Packers could potentially have 7 WRs: Nelson, Cobb, Montgomery, Adams, Janis, Abbrederis and Davis.

Another possibility is at offensive line. Perhaps Matt Rotherham gets a spot at Guard. That would be wise since it's unlikely we will be able to afford Lang and Sitton. Worst case is we lose both of them. My solution would be Rotherham and re-sign Tretter. But that's 2017, so I'm just gonna enjoy Sitton and Lang for now.

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NickPerry's picture

May 13, 2016 at 07:45 am

Everything I've read on the 6th rounder Kyle Murphy has been AWESOME. If this kid is as good as some of the things I've been reading about him TT might have found his next Lang, Sitton, Lindsey, or Bakhitieri on day 3 of the draft. I think the O-Line is going to be in excellent shape after 2016.

I'm with you, keep Tretter and Lang if possible. If David B wants anywhere near what the last two LT have signed for (Around $11 to $13 Million a year) let him walk, keep Tretter and hope Lang and Sitten will stick around for a little less like Bulaga did. If not they have Murphy, Spriggs, and Taylor all signed past this year to step in.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 13, 2016 at 08:16 am

For the money that those guys signed for, I would say they would be best to let Bakhtiari go if he wants that kind of money. I would say take that money and resign Sitton and Lang, and go with Spriggs at LT.

For the money that those 2 signed for you could probably get Sitton, Lang, Lacy and Tretter for about the same or similar anyways.

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GBPack's picture

May 13, 2016 at 08:48 am

Like the poster above stated, moving on from Kuhn can clear the way for Rotherham on the 53, which we were basically paying him like a roster player anyway. With him taking snaps at center, he'll be a valuable interior swing guy. Typical TT fashion, take a college OT and turn him into a solid OG/C.

I agree that Bahk will most likely be gone, which sucks. However, he's proven his worth as an LT and should be paid like one. Even then, I wonder if we'd still be able to keep both Lang and Sitton. My money is that we'll still only be able to keep one. It will be really interesting to see what their market value is for those guys if they hit FA.

We really need to resign Tretter. If Bahk leaves, he's our best swing tackle option. Would also compete for a starting spot at OG if we lose one or both of Lang/Sitton. If I had to guess, I'd guess Sitton gets let go over Lang. Going to be 30 in a month, and even though he keeps getting all these Pro Bowl nods, his penalties keep increasing and Lang is just playing better.

I don't even know how I'd prioritize the other free agents beyond that. Lacy, Perry, Datone, Hyde... Ted has a lot of decisions to make.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 13, 2016 at 10:13 am

Yeah, moving on from Kuhn allows a 10th OT or a 7th WR or however they want to spend that roster spot.
The question is, how big of a drop off is there from Kuhn to Ripkowski? I don't think the drop off is that significant in their play. Not enough of a drop off to get rid of a young talent.
The biggest drop off will be in Kuhn's knowledge of the offense. He is like a 2nd coach/QB out there.

I'm not saying Bakhtiari will be gone, but if he expects to sign a deal like the last 2 OT, I don't think the Packers will sign him for that, especially after drafting Spriggs this year. If he would take a good price, I could see him returning.

I agree we need to resign Tretter. His price should be low enough to resign. I think they will resign at least one of Lang and Sitton. After that, I'm not sure.

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Spock's picture

May 13, 2016 at 03:37 pm

GBPack, While I strongly agree with signing Tretter, I don't buy the "If Bahk leaves, he's our best swing tackle option" comment. Tretter played ONE GAME at left tackle, and he didn't suck at it like previous guys in the prior weeks. I'm not so sure I'm ready to anoint him as the "best swing tackle option", especially after this draft. He is one heck of a center (I think that is why he ends up leaving GB because someone will offer the opportunity to be the STARTING center). It's a toss-up as to whether he or Linsley is the better future center as they both have different strengths, but with the addition of OL men in this draft, I think his value may be less. Just my opinion.

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Rossonero's picture

May 13, 2016 at 08:18 am

Interesting. Can you send some links on Murphy? I'm eager to read more on him.

Yeah, no way is Bakhtiari worth market value LT money.

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dobber's picture

May 13, 2016 at 08:27 am

Creates a very interesting dynamic on the OL if Bakhtiari decides to give the Packers a loyalty discount to stay in town. I don't see it happening, but stranger things...

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Tundraboy's picture

May 13, 2016 at 07:08 pm

With you on that NP!

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AgrippaLII's picture

May 13, 2016 at 10:26 pm

Ted should make resigning Bahktiari and Tretter his priority for the Offensive Line...proven guys that can play tackle. It'll be easier to find guards. He probably has them on the team already.

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Idiot Fan's picture

May 13, 2016 at 09:59 am

Totally random, but I caught a few minutes of a GB/MIN game from about 15 years ago on NFLN yesterday. It was awesome to see William Henderson plowing away. I really like Kuhn, but Henderson was The Man.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 13, 2016 at 10:14 am

Loved Henderson. Great, Great Player.

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ray nichkee's picture

May 13, 2016 at 10:17 am

I love kuhn but man, every time i hear henderson it always brings me back. Every once in a while he got the ball and hurdled a defender and made a big play. I respect that guy for being a role player and doing his job as good as he did when others always get credit for big plays. Why is the modern fullback disappearing? The passing game is exciting but so is punching you in the mouth and running it.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2016 at 10:45 am

Ray - I agree with you on Henderson. But sadly, the fullback is disappearing because the rules are making it easier to pass and fullbacks do not factor much in the fantasy leagues which more and more fans are joining. Not a fantasy person myself but it does skew how fans watch the game and their rooting interests. However, I believe as the quality of QB play continues to decline around the league the running game with an FB will make a comeback out of necessity. If not the NFL will become arena football on a bigger field. Thanks, Since '61

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Idiot Fan's picture

May 13, 2016 at 11:33 am

"Every once in a while he got the ball and hurdled a defender and made a big play"

In my memory this happened on third-and-long about three times per game.

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ray nichkee's picture

May 13, 2016 at 11:58 am

I had to look up his stats. Most of them are amazing for a guy with limited touches.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2016 at 10:31 am

Sad to see Kuhn go but the NFL is a young man's game. I can see the Packers bringing him back if Rip is injured though. In any case this opens a roster spot and likely means we'll keep an additional OL or WR. The key is for the Packers to get through the pre-season healthy so that they can field the best 53 possible and then hope that our PS does not get cherry picked during the season. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Lphill's picture

May 14, 2016 at 08:16 am

Yes youth is great but they can still mix in an experienced Veteren but they usually don't . I think an even balance is the best combination.

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